19:02:15 <wilcal> #startmeeting 19:02:15 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Apr 30 19:02:15 2020 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:02:15 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:02:19 <Benmc> but a much sma;ller spread - 3/4 acre 19:02:28 <wilcal> Welcome to all to the weekly QA meeting 19:02:51 <bri_an> here her 19:02:58 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 19:03:07 <wilcal> Anyone new here today 19:03:44 <wilcal> I think this meeting will be mostly going over issues being discussed on the ML 19:04:13 <wilcal> should actually be fun 19:04:38 <wilcal> #topic QA meeting on Mageia & Zoom. Fedora rpm 19:04:54 <wilcal> So lots of talk on the ML of doing a zoom based meeting 19:04:55 <hviaene> Sorry to be late 19:05:05 <wilcal> no problem 19:05:21 <bri_an> np - I end up using Zoom and Jitsi 19:05:33 <bri_an> But haven't tried the Zoom app on Mageia 19:05:41 <hviaene> I do 19:05:46 <wilcal> So i got the Zoom Fedora rpm and installed that on a M7.1 Plasma Vbox client and it installed ok 19:05:57 <wilcal> that's not unusual 19:06:00 <MageiaTJ> I'd have to buy a webcam. 19:06:30 <Benmc> you guys would get to see my good side! 19:06:35 <wilcal> zoom_x86_64.rpm 19:06:52 <wilcal> there was one signature error and that was all 19:06:53 <bri_an> does it break anything? 19:07:10 <hviaene> No, not here 19:07:25 <wilcal> in the short time I tinkered with it everything seemed fine 19:07:34 <bri_an> how does one request something getting added to our repo? 19:07:41 <wilcal> So I suggest people tinker with this thing 19:08:04 <Benmc> Bri_an: ususl process, make up a bug request 19:08:14 <wilcal> There is already a package in the M7.1 repo nameed "zoom" so that conflicts 19:08:18 <tmb> I would not touch zoom even with a long stick... 19:08:24 <hviaene> Zoom has a bad repuation here 19:08:31 <wilcal> I think for sure this has to be in M8 19:08:39 <wilcal> reason tmb please 19:08:51 <wilcal> I think it may be very invasive 19:08:54 <Benmc> seurity or lack thereof 19:09:16 <hviaene> Indeed 19:09:23 <wilcal> I am very leary of these things 19:09:24 <bri_an> that's why I set up my own jitsi server. But alas, folks chose Zoom over it 19:09:38 <MageiaTJ> Dave Hodgins had several comments about that. 19:09:48 <tmb> Security issues, no regard for integrity, some of their servers in questionalbe countries along with master crypto keys, so dont trust their security and so on... 19:10:05 <hviaene> Big companies introduced it in their oragnization and quickly forbid it again 19:10:06 <wilcal> OOooooo I would suspect so 19:10:12 <wilcal> Thanks bunches TMB 19:10:35 <bri_an> well, in general my conversations are so boring .... 19:10:58 <Benmc> I guess that for those that want it, like WilSin, it can be installed by the user from extrenal source 19:11:14 <bri_an> fair enough 19:11:26 <MageiaTJ> With the USA practically shut down, there's LOTS of zooming goin on. 19:11:30 <wilcal> Ya there's been other zoom meeting apps in the past all of them very invasive, one proprietary to Microsoft 19:11:31 <bri_an> I ended up using it on something equally as invasive w10 19:11:47 <wilcal> Yes, many thanks all for this discussion 19:12:04 <wilcal> WOuld you trust Facebook more? 19:12:17 <bri_an> ROFL ROFL ROFL 19:12:22 <hviaene> NOOOOOOO 19:12:28 * tmb dont have FB account... 19:12:36 <Benmc> I dont have a FB account 19:12:36 <wilcal> Again, I've seen these things over the years and they have all had security problems 19:12:51 <wilcal> LOL 19:13:40 <Benmc> to qualify that statemnt, I have never had any *social media* acounts 19:14:06 <bri_an> in both cases, the products work quite well, they just come with some privacy flaws 19:14:18 <bri_an> but that doesn't seem to stop 1bn people from using them anyhow 19:14:27 <wilcal> My FB account has allowed me to connect nicely with family, past friends and gradeschool class mates 19:14:38 <bri_an> ditto 19:14:40 <MageiaTJ> Same here. 19:14:46 <Benmc> and the price! 19:14:56 <wilcal> Anyway lets think about this some more 19:15:07 <MageiaTJ> Balloonists all over the USA east coast. 19:15:17 <wilcal> #topic Configuring Mageia Media Sources, Repos- Status 19:15:30 <wilcal> Is there a problem in the repos? 19:15:59 <MageiaTJ> The Princeton mirror had a problem, but is back now. 19:16:09 <wilcal> Note that the Internet in general is creaking and groaning under the increased load 19:16:55 <wilcal> Netflix reduced it's bandwidth consumption in Europe 19:16:59 <hviaene> I switched mirror for QARepo, but still delays 19:17:03 <MageiaTJ> Princeton just stopped syncing for some reason. A restart seemed to "fix" it. 19:17:19 <wilcal> kernel.org speed is all over the place 19:17:55 <wilcal> ote I do an rsync with kernel.org at 4am then use my local repo 19:18:12 <wilcal> And that every day 19:18:34 <wilcal> And that every day 19:19:07 <bri_an> I suspect network and cloud services are all pretty taxed these days 19:19:44 <wilcal> I have a very small presense on AWS and that is doing very very well 19:20:16 <wilcal> I have suggested we move the Mageia repos to AWS, but that has got a lot of pushback 19:20:39 <wilcal> Mony monthly invoice from AWS is about 20 cents per month 19:21:15 <bri_an> I use google cloud services a bit. Tend to be a little more expensive than that 19:21:27 <bri_an> I understand the concern though 19:21:38 <tmb> wilcal, that would kill Mageia 19:21:54 <MageiaTJ> I'm just leery of getting TOO dependent on The Cloud. 19:22:24 <wilcal> everyones position is highly respected on this 19:22:46 <tmb> One of the most expensive things in cloud is egress traffic, which is basically 100% of mirroring traffic 19:23:02 <wilcal> No conventions here so I missed my meetings with AWS last month :-) 19:23:12 <wilcal> there are INCREADABLY AGRESSIVE 19:23:34 <wilcal> they want to own the world and will spend what it takes toown the cloud 19:23:35 <tmb> just look at freedesktop.org realizing their cloud expenses have tripled... 19:24:05 <tmb> and they have big companies backing them ... 19:24:12 <wilcal> all tiied to the Covid-19 thing 19:24:16 <bri_an> yep - bandwidth can be expensive. I pay per hour for my external IP 19:24:29 <wilcal> I kinda trust AWS on security. 19:24:53 <wilcal> If I put daata up there IMO it's pretty hard to get into. Even for AWS 19:26:15 <Benmc> sorry folks, got to go do that work thingamy 19:26:25 <bri_an> see ya Benmc 19:26:46 <wilcal> bye 19:26:47 <MageiaTJ> Take care. 19:26:55 <bri_an> can I divert for a moment? 19:27:14 <bri_an> tmb: any ideas on Nouveau. I build an instance and tried desktop kernel, same mess 19:27:21 <bri_an> tried also changing graphic settings 19:27:43 <bri_an> weird - firefox will look great 19:27:48 <bri_an> come back to desktop - it is a mess 19:28:28 <tmb> bri_an, well, as listed in the nouveau bug, there is now atleast 4 updates queued that can affect this... 19:29:06 <tmb> bri_an, other than that, there are reports in other distros about similar issues... 19:29:06 <bri_an> ahh - missed that 19:29:12 <wilcal> lets move on 19:29:14 <wilcal> #topic Firefox and Jitsi issues 19:29:20 <wilcal> what's going on here 19:29:42 <tmb> bri_an, oh, and upcoming 5.7 series kernel should have a more stable nouveau driver... 19:29:48 <bri_an> thanks 19:29:50 <bri_an> tmb 19:30:03 <tmb> but thats is some month(s) away 19:30:12 <bri_an> Last Jitsi community meeting was listened to Firefox is still beta 19:30:19 <bri_an> I can wait 19:32:08 <wilcal> so it's similar to zoom with video 19:32:24 <hviaene> I tried the workaroound in Firefox for jitsi and that wasOK 19:34:05 <MageiaTJ> I've often wished there was a convenient place to find explainations for the Firefox and Thunderbird about:config settings. 19:36:50 <MageiaTJ> wilcal, I think it's time to move on. 19:36:52 <wilcal> IMO this is all evolving quickly technologies. Lots of mistakes are being made 19:37:01 <wilcal> Home schooling is driving all of this hard 19:37:33 <wilcal> #topic Testing updates - Any questions or problems 19:37:59 <wilcal> moderate lengh listing 19:38:07 <wilcal> anything in there problemistic 19:38:37 <tarazed> bug 26567: Shlomi posted two perl one liners but they don not seem to do anything. 19:40:13 <hviaene> I wish someone checks what I found for dejavu 19:41:52 <rindolf> tarazed: after or before upgrading? 19:41:56 <tarazed> hviaene: what, where the backup went? 19:42:10 <tarazed> rindolf: Before 19:42:18 <MageiaTJ> Oh, look - another new kernel to test... 19:42:34 <hviaene> yes, I get the impression it can only be a mount point 19:42:55 <wilcal> Exciting 19:43:11 <tarazed> TJ: yeah, it has just hit Cauldron too 19:43:45 <wilcal> For the time being I am only testing kernel updates in a Vbox client. My nVidia platform bit the dust 19:44:14 <MageiaTJ> I haven't booted my Cauldron install in over a week. Must be thousands of updates waiting. 19:44:32 <wilcal> That thing is hyper active 19:44:32 <tarazed> You can bet on it - 100s anyway 19:44:58 <wilcal> It is comforting to see all that activity though 19:45:29 <wilcal> This weeks updates went though here just ine 19:46:04 <wilcal> I have a general question on: 19:46:06 <wilcal> Bug 26555 - dolphin-emu new security issues due to bundled soundtouch 19:46:24 <wilcal> Dolphin in general actaully 19:46:57 <wilcal> when you run the "properties" function on Dolphin does that do a complete file check and repair process? 19:47:27 <wilcal> It seems like it does 19:49:07 <tarazed> rindolf: shall double-check later - was expecting a crash or something like it. 19:49:28 <rindolf> tarazed: ah 19:51:11 <wilcal> Lets move on to 19:51:12 <wilcal> #topic Anything else? 19:51:24 <wilcal> Run'n a little long today 19:51:31 <hviaene> Not here 19:51:36 <tarazed> Like old times 19:51:37 <wilcal> good discussions 19:52:00 <tarazed> Without the cake... 19:52:35 <wilcal> I'm done. In response to my dolphin \question is seems a properties test in dolphin can take a very long tme and does in fact repair things in the file system 19:52:48 <wilcal> anything else 19:52:54 <MageiaTJ> I hadn't noticed. 19:53:01 <tarazed> No 19:53:14 <MageiaTJ> Nothing here. 19:53:22 <hviaene> G'night all 19:54:02 <wilcal> count down time 19:54:04 <wilcal> bye all 19:54:06 <wilcal> T-5 19:54:16 <tarazed> G'night 19:54:19 <MageiaTJ> Everyone stay safe... 19:54:25 <wilcal> Super meeting today 19:54:29 <wilcal> T-4 19:54:35 <wilcal> T-3 19:54:39 <wilcal> T-2 19:54:42 <wilcal> T-1 19:54:46 <wilcal> #endmeeting