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19:02:19 <Benmc> but a much sma;ller spread - 3/4 acre
19:02:28 <wilcal> Welcome to all to the weekly QA meeting
19:02:51 <bri_an> here her
19:02:58 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:03:07 <wilcal> Anyone new here today
19:03:44 <wilcal> I think this meeting will be mostly going over issues being discussed on the ML
19:04:13 <wilcal> should actually be fun
19:04:38 <wilcal> #topic QA meeting on Mageia & Zoom. Fedora rpm
19:04:54 <wilcal> So lots of talk on the ML of doing a zoom based meeting
19:04:55 <hviaene> Sorry to be late
19:05:05 <wilcal> no problem
19:05:21 <bri_an> np - I end up using Zoom and Jitsi
19:05:33 <bri_an> But haven't tried the Zoom app on Mageia
19:05:41 <hviaene> I do
19:05:46 <wilcal> So i got the Zoom Fedora rpm and installed that on a M7.1 Plasma Vbox client and it installed ok
19:05:57 <wilcal> that's not unusual
19:06:00 <MageiaTJ> I'd have to buy a webcam.
19:06:30 <Benmc> you guys would get to see my good side!
19:06:35 <wilcal> zoom_x86_64.rpm
19:06:52 <wilcal> there was one signature error and that was all
19:06:53 <bri_an> does it break anything?
19:07:10 <hviaene> No, not here
19:07:25 <wilcal> in the short time I tinkered with it everything seemed fine
19:07:34 <bri_an> how does one request something getting added to our repo?
19:07:41 <wilcal> So I suggest people tinker with this thing
19:08:04 <Benmc> Bri_an: ususl process, make up a bug request
19:08:14 <wilcal> There is already a package in the M7.1 repo nameed "zoom" so that conflicts
19:08:18 <tmb> I would not touch zoom even with a long stick...
19:08:24 <hviaene> Zoom has a bad repuation here
19:08:31 <wilcal> I think for sure this has to be in M8
19:08:39 <wilcal> reason tmb please
19:08:51 <wilcal> I think it may be very invasive
19:08:54 <Benmc> seurity or lack thereof
19:09:16 <hviaene> Indeed
19:09:23 <wilcal> I am very leary of these things
19:09:24 <bri_an> that's why I set up my own jitsi server.    But alas, folks chose Zoom over it
19:09:38 <MageiaTJ> Dave Hodgins had several comments about that.
19:09:48 <tmb> Security issues, no regard for integrity, some of their servers in questionalbe countries along with master crypto keys, so dont trust their security and so on...
19:10:05 <hviaene> Big companies introduced it in their oragnization and quickly forbid it again
19:10:06 <wilcal> OOooooo I would suspect so
19:10:12 <wilcal> Thanks bunches TMB
19:10:35 <bri_an> well, in general my conversations are so boring ....
19:10:58 <Benmc> I guess that for those that want it, like WilSin, it can be installed by the user from extrenal source
19:11:14 <bri_an> fair enough
19:11:26 <MageiaTJ> With the USA practically shut down, there's LOTS of zooming goin on.
19:11:30 <wilcal> Ya there's been other zoom meeting apps in the past all of them very invasive, one proprietary to Microsoft
19:11:31 <bri_an> I ended up using it on something equally as invasive w10
19:11:47 <wilcal> Yes, many thanks all for this discussion
19:12:04 <wilcal> WOuld you trust Facebook more?
19:12:17 <bri_an> ROFL  ROFL  ROFL
19:12:22 <hviaene> NOOOOOOO
19:12:28 * tmb dont have FB account...
19:12:36 <Benmc> I dont have a FB account
19:12:36 <wilcal> Again, I've seen these things over the years and they have all had security problems
19:12:51 <wilcal> LOL
19:13:40 <Benmc> to qualify that statemnt, I have never had any *social media* acounts
19:14:06 <bri_an> in both cases, the products work quite well, they just come with some privacy flaws
19:14:18 <bri_an> but that doesn't seem to stop 1bn people from using them anyhow
19:14:27 <wilcal> My FB account has allowed me to connect nicely with family, past friends and gradeschool class mates
19:14:38 <bri_an> ditto
19:14:40 <MageiaTJ> Same here.
19:14:46 <Benmc> and the price!
19:14:56 <wilcal> Anyway lets think about this some more
19:15:07 <MageiaTJ> Balloonists all over the USA east coast.
19:15:17 <wilcal> #topic Configuring Mageia Media Sources, Repos- Status
19:15:30 <wilcal> Is there a problem in the repos?
19:15:59 <MageiaTJ> The Princeton mirror had a problem, but is back now.
19:16:09 <wilcal> Note that the Internet in general is creaking and groaning under the increased load
19:16:55 <wilcal> Netflix reduced it's bandwidth consumption in Europe
19:16:59 <hviaene> I switched mirror for QARepo, but still delays
19:17:03 <MageiaTJ> Princeton just stopped syncing for some reason. A restart seemed to "fix" it.
19:17:19 <wilcal> kernel.org speed is all over the place
19:17:55 <wilcal> ote I do an rsync with kernel.org at 4am then use my local repo
19:18:12 <wilcal> And that every day
19:18:34 <wilcal> And that every day
19:19:07 <bri_an> I suspect network and cloud services are all pretty taxed these days
19:19:44 <wilcal> I have a very small presense on AWS and that is doing very very well
19:20:16 <wilcal> I have suggested we move the Mageia repos to AWS, but that has got a lot of pushback
19:20:39 <wilcal> Mony monthly invoice from AWS is about 20 cents per month
19:21:15 <bri_an> I use google cloud services a bit.  Tend to be a little more expensive than that
19:21:27 <bri_an> I understand the concern though
19:21:38 <tmb> wilcal, that would kill Mageia
19:21:54 <MageiaTJ> I'm just leery of getting TOO dependent on The Cloud.
19:22:24 <wilcal> everyones position is highly respected on this
19:22:46 <tmb> One of the most expensive things in cloud is egress traffic, which is basically 100% of mirroring traffic
19:23:02 <wilcal> No conventions here so I missed my meetings with AWS last month :-)
19:23:12 <wilcal> there are INCREADABLY AGRESSIVE
19:23:34 <wilcal> they want to own the world and will spend what it takes toown the cloud
19:23:35 <tmb> just look at freedesktop.org realizing their cloud expenses have tripled...
19:24:05 <tmb> and they have big companies backing them ...
19:24:12 <wilcal> all tiied to the Covid-19 thing
19:24:16 <bri_an> yep - bandwidth can be expensive.  I pay per hour for my external IP
19:24:29 <wilcal> I kinda trust AWS on security.
19:24:53 <wilcal> If I put daata up there IMO it's pretty hard to get into. Even for AWS
19:26:15 <Benmc> sorry folks, got to go do that work thingamy
19:26:25 <bri_an> see ya Benmc
19:26:46 <wilcal> bye
19:26:47 <MageiaTJ> Take care.
19:26:55 <bri_an> can I divert for a moment?
19:27:14 <bri_an> tmb:  any ideas on Nouveau.  I build an instance and tried desktop kernel, same mess
19:27:21 <bri_an> tried also changing graphic settings
19:27:43 <bri_an> weird - firefox will look great
19:27:48 <bri_an> come back to desktop - it is a mess
19:28:28 <tmb> bri_an, well, as listed in the nouveau bug, there is now atleast 4 updates queued that can affect this...
19:29:06 <tmb> bri_an, other than that, there are reports in other distros about similar issues...
19:29:06 <bri_an> ahh - missed that
19:29:12 <wilcal> lets move on
19:29:14 <wilcal> #topic Firefox and Jitsi issues
19:29:20 <wilcal> what's going on here
19:29:42 <tmb> bri_an, oh, and upcoming 5.7 series kernel should have a more stable nouveau driver...
19:29:48 <bri_an> thanks
19:29:50 <bri_an> tmb
19:30:03 <tmb> but thats is some month(s) away
19:30:12 <bri_an> Last Jitsi community meeting was listened to Firefox is still beta
19:30:19 <bri_an> I can wait
19:32:08 <wilcal> so it's similar to zoom with video
19:32:24 <hviaene> I tried the workaroound in Firefox for jitsi and that wasOK
19:34:05 <MageiaTJ> I've often wished there was a convenient place to find explainations for the Firefox and Thunderbird about:config settings.
19:36:50 <MageiaTJ> wilcal, I think it's time to move on.
19:36:52 <wilcal> IMO this is all evolving quickly technologies. Lots of mistakes are being made
19:37:01 <wilcal> Home schooling is driving all of this hard
19:37:33 <wilcal> #topic Testing updates - Any questions or problems
19:37:59 <wilcal> moderate lengh listing
19:38:07 <wilcal> anything in there problemistic
19:38:37 <tarazed> bug 26567: Shlomi posted two perl one liners but they don not seem to do anything.
19:40:13 <hviaene> I wish someone checks what I found for dejavu
19:41:52 <rindolf> tarazed: after or before upgrading?
19:41:56 <tarazed> hviaene: what, where the backup went?
19:42:10 <tarazed> rindolf: Before
19:42:18 <MageiaTJ> Oh, look - another new kernel to test...
19:42:34 <hviaene> yes, I get the impression it can only be a mount point
19:42:55 <wilcal> Exciting
19:43:11 <tarazed> TJ: yeah, it has just hit Cauldron too
19:43:45 <wilcal> For the time being I am only testing kernel updates in a Vbox client. My nVidia platform bit the dust
19:44:14 <MageiaTJ> I haven't booted my Cauldron install in over a week. Must be thousands of updates waiting.
19:44:32 <wilcal> That thing is hyper active
19:44:32 <tarazed> You can bet on it - 100s anyway
19:44:58 <wilcal> It is comforting to see all that activity though
19:45:29 <wilcal> This weeks updates went though here just ine
19:46:04 <wilcal> I have a general question on:
19:46:06 <wilcal> Bug 26555 - dolphin-emu new security issues due to bundled soundtouch
19:46:24 <wilcal> Dolphin in general actaully
19:46:57 <wilcal> when you run the "properties" function on Dolphin does that do a complete file check and repair process?
19:47:27 <wilcal> It seems like it does
19:49:07 <tarazed> rindolf: shall double-check later - was expecting a crash or something like it.
19:49:28 <rindolf> tarazed: ah
19:51:11 <wilcal> Lets move on to
19:51:12 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
19:51:24 <wilcal> Run'n a little long today
19:51:31 <hviaene> Not here
19:51:36 <tarazed> Like old times
19:51:37 <wilcal> good discussions
19:52:00 <tarazed> Without the cake...
19:52:35 <wilcal> I'm done. In response to my dolphin \question is seems a properties test in dolphin can take a very long tme and does in fact repair things in the file system
19:52:48 <wilcal> anything else
19:52:54 <MageiaTJ> I hadn't noticed.
19:53:01 <tarazed> No
19:53:14 <MageiaTJ> Nothing here.
19:53:22 <hviaene> G'night all
19:54:02 <wilcal> count down time
19:54:04 <wilcal> bye all
19:54:06 <wilcal> T-5
19:54:16 <tarazed> G'night
19:54:19 <MageiaTJ> Everyone stay safe...
19:54:25 <wilcal> Super meeting today
19:54:29 <wilcal> T-4
19:54:35 <wilcal> T-3
19:54:39 <wilcal> T-2
19:54:42 <wilcal> T-1
19:54:46 <wilcal> #endmeeting