19:04:10 <wilcal> #startmeeting 19:04:10 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Apr 23 19:04:10 2020 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:04:10 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:04:13 <MageiaTJ> Our governor is going to allow elective surgeries again next week in some parts of the state. 19:04:18 <Benmc> probably none, more likely if there is confirmed community transmission. we dont have that here 19:04:22 <tarazed> Hi Bill 19:04:30 <MageiaTJ> Great. That went into the minutes. 19:04:34 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 19:04:41 <wilcal> Anyone new here? 19:05:11 <wilcal> Nope 19:05:17 <Benmc> cant see for the raised hands :) 19:05:42 <wilcal> There were a lot of issues that went through the QA mail ist is there any particular one that needs discussion 19:06:58 <tarazed> There seems to be agreement that we don't want video-conferencing 19:07:19 <MageiaTJ> (Making believe the topic has changed) We have a number of updates that are part of the 5.6 series kernel coming up. 19:07:20 <wilcal> Ya I don't see a reason for that 19:08:08 <MageiaTJ> I don't either. 19:08:19 <wilcal> #topic 5.6 series kernel coming up 19:09:01 <tarazed> It seems to be running fine except for Ben or wasit Brian 19:10:05 <wilcal> Due to the failure of my main testing computer I cannot do nvidia of hardware bases Vbox testing 19:10:16 <wilcal> Vbox cannot be tested inside a Vbox client 19:10:18 <Benmc> Brian, with nouveau 19:10:33 <Benmc> looks like I will have to warn the power co, that I will be starting up my old 32 bitter 19:10:39 <MageiaTJ> I haven't looked yet - have all the nvidia drivers been checked yet? 19:10:39 <bri_an> lol 19:11:29 <tarazed> Don't think so TJ 19:11:47 <MageiaTJ> I can't check kernel-linus with my 32-bitter. I already know it won't work without a patch from TMB. 19:11:51 <tarazed> nvidia-current seems to work fine 19:13:03 <MageiaTJ> Maybe I should have left my nvidia340 card in one of my machines after all. 19:13:46 <MageiaTJ> I suppose I could put it back... 19:13:55 <tarazed> No, just checked - 340 and 390 have been tested 19:14:07 <wilcal> IMO the basic AMD and Intel processors have more then enougn graphics power now and 99% of the applcations don't need a nvida video board 19:14:17 <MageiaTJ> Oh, good. I didn't really want to change. 19:14:30 <wilcal> IMO nVidia is no longer necesary 19:14:59 <wilcal> even the bassic Intel processor can display 4K video 19:15:04 <bri_an> unless you run ryzen AMD wilcal. then you have to run discrete 19:15:16 <MageiaTJ> Well, some machines come with nvida on-board. 19:15:20 <tarazed> wilcal: nvidia delivers more than 10 times the punch on some of my machines, really needed for high resolution graphics. 19:16:13 <tarazed> Have to disagree with you wilcal 19:16:28 <wilcal> How high is high? 19:16:39 <wilcal> Take gaming out of it 19:17:23 <MageiaTJ> But you can't take gaming out of it. A lot of Linux users are gamers. 19:17:33 <karla> Hello eveyone 19:17:35 <tarazed> 4K straight video (vlc) 19:17:43 <Benmc> Karla, hi 19:17:46 <MageiaTJ> Hello, karla. 19:17:56 <tarazed> Somebody new - good evening Karla 19:18:10 <wilcal> A INtel I3 will support 4K video 19:18:12 <ezequielpartida> sorry.. I't me Ezequiel.. I am using my girlfriends laptop sorry Hehe 19:18:14 <tarazed> Not so new 19:18:19 <wilcal> this is a very good discussion tomhave 19:18:24 <ezequielpartida> Lol 19:19:23 <wilcal> 10-years ago you needed an nvidia card to do even basic gaming 19:19:42 <wilcal> now I suspect less then 5% of the gamers need it 19:20:17 <tarazed> I shal;l have another look at Intel but I have my doubts 19:20:30 <Benmc> Zeke, we are talking about the 5.6 kernel. any issues? 19:20:40 <ezequielpartida> yes 19:20:46 <ezequielpartida> I have issues with Sound 19:21:02 <Benmc> is this in caulfron or Mga7? 19:21:16 <ezequielpartida> It is Caulrdon sorry 19:21:29 <ezequielpartida> Cauldron 19:21:30 <MageiaTJ> tarazed: maybe one of the newer AMD GPUs would work better than the last time you tried, too. 19:22:28 <ezequielpartida> Everything works great with MGA7... 19:22:53 <ezequielpartida> Frank is helping me track the wifi problems. 19:23:05 <wilcal> "4K" IMO was the tip over point. Once a procesor could disply "4K" there's little need for any more resolution on a PC and certainly not on a laptop 19:23:41 <MageiaTJ> Cauldron can be difficult. Sometimes all you need to do is wait, and one of the updates will fix the problem. 19:23:53 <Benmc> wilcal, I dont know. if you can see a blade of grass at 400 paces, surely your vision is good enough! 19:24:47 <MageiaTJ> I know people who can make out deer antlers at 400 paces... 19:24:53 <tarazed> wilcal: agreed, 4K is good enough. 19:25:11 <wilcal> Do you need that on your laptop 19:25:18 <bri_an> but lets say I get a ryzen machine with discrete nvidia. I want to use it 19:25:24 <bri_an> that makes nvidia necessary 19:25:52 <tarazed> My netbook has 4K graphics and that is almost unusable. 19:25:55 <bri_an> that is my point 19:26:19 <bri_an> some equipment starting iwth windows has nvidia built into it. i.e. gaming laptops 19:26:25 <wilcal> Again Nvidia is less relevent now then it was 10-years ago and becasue of that how much effort should Mageia put in to it to support it 19:26:35 <tarazed> There are times when I watch 4K videos on the netbook. 19:26:56 <wilcal> No your not 19:27:18 <wilcal> You watching 4k contend on at best a 2k screen 19:27:24 <wilcal> content 19:27:38 <ezequielpartida> Tell us your secret tarazed!! I want to speed up my kids netbook.. 19:27:46 <tarazed> Voices of Music produce marvellous 4K videos. 19:28:02 <MageiaTJ> We need to continue to support our nvidia users every bit as much or more than we do our 32-bit users. 19:28:27 <ezequielpartida> if someone knows how to speed a nebook please let me know ;-) 19:28:29 <wilcal> Good discussion 19:28:47 <tarazed> ezeqquiel: (advertising) Dell XPS13 19:29:07 <wilcal> The only two things I know of to speed up a laptop is go to an SSD and increase DRAM 19:29:10 <bri_an> I agree the new integrated graphics on intel is good. But people run AMD and only some new AMD processors have integrted graphics 19:29:24 <Benmc> Zeke:, upgrade the ram, motherboard, cpu and screen ;) 19:29:53 <wilcal> Cheaper to just get a new laptop 19:30:11 <tarazed> My point exactly 19:30:12 <MageiaTJ> But maybe not as much fun... 19:30:28 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports 19:30:47 <tarazed> And would the kid be impressed 19:30:59 <wilcal> We've kinda wandered into generalities 19:31:25 <ezequielpartida> Benmc: LOL!! :-D 19:31:28 <tarazed> Crack the whip TJ 19:32:19 <wilcal> Push this one: 19:32:21 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26520 19:32:32 <wilcal> 64-bit is good enough 19:33:23 <wilcal> ANything else on that list 19:33:32 <wilcal> Lots of bug fixes 19:33:50 <MageiaTJ> How about bug 26296 19:34:16 <Benmc> looks like mbot is asleep 19:34:20 <MageiaTJ> Interesting. That didn't generate a link. 19:34:44 <MageiaTJ> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26296 19:34:48 <tarazed> Uncertain about openafs - not enough knowledge decide if there is a regression 19:35:44 <tarazed> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26527 19:37:20 <wilcal> mbot wrinkle 19:37:25 <MageiaTJ> There's one on the list with a 32-bit OK. I'd like a 64-bit clean install to go along with that. 19:37:59 <MageiaTJ> I'll see what I can do about it. 19:38:11 <tarazed> I can do that if you like 19:38:23 <MageiaTJ> OK. 19:38:37 <wilcal> Anything else on the list that needs discussion? 19:39:08 <MageiaTJ> Several of those are in support of the 5.6 kernels 19:40:06 <wilcal> And that is in a state of suspension 19:40:33 <Benmc> ? 19:40:46 <ezequielpartida> just as a note.. 19:41:03 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26525 19:41:33 <MageiaTJ> It does show a feedback flag. 19:41:45 <wilcal> Yes, suspended for now 19:41:53 <ezequielpartida> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26493 this is the bug I reported.. the proble is only on a Intel Centrino N-6200 Wifi Card... all N6250 Works great.. 19:42:31 <Luigi12> I don't think 26525 is suspended unless tmb says so. One user put the feedback marker on there because of a nouveau regression, which is unfortunate, but not surprising. 19:43:26 <Luigi12> 26296 should be as easy as the krb5-appl that was tested recently, same testing procedure (other than that you'll have to copy the telnet service definition from krb5-appl and adapt it appropriately) 19:43:38 <Luigi12> 26527 as long as the module builds it's fine 19:46:42 <wilcal> Anything else on the list? 19:47:15 <wilcal> Lets move on 19:47:16 <wilcal> #topic Anything else? 19:48:15 <wilcal> Silence 19:48:17 <ezequielpartida> Take Care Guys!! 19:48:26 <wilcal> later 19:48:40 <wilcal> So llets wrap this week up 19:49:01 <wilcal> I should be here next week, and probably the week after 19:49:18 <ezequielpartida> Great!! ;-) Me too! 19:49:27 <wilcal> I have one more proceedure to go through in May and that'll take me down for at least one meeting maybe two 19:49:54 <Benmc> the ayes have it 19:49:59 <wilcal> Sin City USA is still locked down tighter then a drum 19:50:12 <Luigi12> as it should be 19:50:18 <wilcal> Las Vegas is a Ghost Town. Nothing is open 19:50:23 <MageiaTJ> By May, I should be planting any minute the weather will let me. 19:50:37 <wilcal> Kool 19:50:41 <wilcal> Count down time 19:50:45 <wilcal> thatnks all for being here 19:50:56 <wilcal> good discussion on nvidia 19:50:56 <Benmc> when are you changing your handle wilcal. its been a year 19:51:10 <wilcal> I should 19:51:17 <Luigi12> wilsin, hehe 19:51:26 <wilcal> wil_in_sin_city 19:51:27 <Benmc> funny 19:51:45 <wilcal> Sin CIty is pretty angel like right now 19:51:49 <wilcal> Count down time 19:51:53 <wilcal> T-5 19:51:54 <tarazed> OK, hope it goes well wilcal 19:52:03 <tarazed> Bye for now 19:52:03 <wilcal> T-4 19:52:08 <MageiaTJ> Good luck, wilcal 19:52:20 <wilcal> Hi rin we're count'n down anything to add 19:52:55 <rindolf> wilcal: hi, not really 19:53:14 <wilcal> I'll publish the notes shortly on the ML 19:53:22 <wilcal> T-3 19:53:29 <wilcal> T-2 19:53:32 <wilcal> Bye all 19:53:35 <wilcal> T-1 19:53:41 <wilcal> #endmeeting