20:03:08 <DavidWHodgins> #startmeeting
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20:03:27 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal MageiaTJ tarazed
20:03:27 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MageiaTJ tarazed wilcal
20:03:34 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello
20:03:50 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who hasn't been to a qa team irc meeting before?
20:03:57 <Benmc> crickets
20:04:25 <wilcal> everyone is in charge
20:04:31 <DavidWHodgins> lol
20:04:35 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing updates - Any questions or problems
20:04:51 <tarazed> Yes, locales
20:05:09 <tarazed> Chenging locales is not a smooth business
20:05:16 <DavidWHodgins> That's in reference to the gdb testing?
20:05:50 <tarazed> gnubg - the problem only manifested itself for Spanish
20:06:42 <tarazed> drakconf is useless for changing locales - here anyway
20:07:08 <DavidWHodgins> Changing locale should be able to be done using mcc/System/Manage localization ..., not sure if it requires the locales-$lang package to be pre-installed
20:07:31 <hviaene> Yeah, that's why i switched  my testing stuff back to english
20:08:13 <DavidWHodgins> As I only understand English, with very very limited french, that's not something I'm good at testing.
20:08:17 <tarazed> Even after succeeding in sqitching to es I then had a problem getting back to English.
20:08:50 <tarazed> Had to set all the environment varaiables manually after removing the Spanish locales package
20:09:00 <tarazed> switching
20:09:08 <MageiaTJ> Dave: Same here. I left high school Spanish behind over 50 years ago.
20:09:27 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Creating a new user after the system level change would be the best way to test that.
20:10:04 <DavidWHodgins> The user will have their own config files that override the system level settings. One linux system can have many users, each with their own language chosen.
20:10:06 <tarazed> I actually did a local build in Spanish before the locales stuff would kick in.
20:11:00 <DavidWHodgins> The system level settings are the default for new users, not forced on all users, if the packages for the other languages are installed too.
20:12:01 <DavidWHodgins> So to test for a new language, ensure the locales package for that language is installed, change the system settings, then create a new user and use that user for the testing.
20:12:24 <tarazed> Sounds like a good plan
20:13:01 <hviaene> Why don't you all learn Dutch????
20:13:11 <wilcal> OMG
20:13:22 <bri_an> i have enough problems with anglish
20:13:37 <hviaene> I see
20:13:46 <DavidWHodgins> lol. I can sort of read German, as I've found that sounding out the words they are similar enough to English as to be understandable.
20:13:48 <MageiaTJ> I have some Dutch DNA in me. Maybe that would help...
20:13:54 <wilcal> Dutch is not an easy language to learn
20:14:21 <DavidWHodgins> Back on topic, any other questions about pending updates?
20:15:02 <wilcal> not from me
20:15:04 <hviaene> None if nothing changed since  8 hour ago
20:15:10 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Time change to 19:00 GMT next meeting
20:15:11 <MageiaTJ> Sympa has been there a long time Anybody want to tackle that?
20:15:33 <MageiaTJ> Rats. Too slow at the keyboard...
20:15:34 <hviaene> I did with little success
20:15:58 <DavidWHodgins> As usual, irc meetings are based on the current time in Paris, France, so when Europe switches to DST this Sunday, that means meetings will change to 19UTC
20:16:24 <wilcal> I think we got it right this year
20:16:33 <tarazed> We did
20:16:34 <DavidWHodgins> Yeah! :-)
20:16:57 <Benmc> same time for the change here, so I will have a 7am instead of 9am meeeting
20:17:05 <DavidWHodgins> I'm the one who usually messes it up, so good thing I didn't speak up about it this time.
20:17:21 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch. Hope you're a morning person.
20:17:28 <MageiaTJ> Back to 3PM here.
20:17:31 <tarazed> Benmc: is that better for you?
20:17:49 <wilcal> i'm fine with the change
20:17:52 <Benmc> breakfast time with a 3yo, its just great
20:17:58 <DavidWHodgins> lol
20:18:03 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Covid-19 Discussion on QA mailing list
20:18:32 <wilcal> I live in a city devistated by all this
20:18:38 <tarazed> Keep plenty of screenwipes handy
20:18:58 <bri_an> mostly the economy I think wilcal
20:19:10 <wilcal> a huge percentage of the population have lost their job
20:19:19 <tarazed> The UK was slow to adapt but  is coming round to the new order.
20:19:20 <DavidWHodgins> It's definitely off topic for the list, and I pushed some buttons with my overly negative attitude (sorry about that), but I see no reason to object to the discussions continuing. The qa list has always allowed general discussions
20:19:29 <wilcal> in the city i live in
20:19:41 <denisbr> Hi All, I am a mageia user since 2016 I´m from Brasil, a PHP developer and I wanna to contribute to Mageia Project, but I can´t be a packager.
20:19:43 <Benmc> I had hoped it would be just a news type discussion, with what is happening locally, without getting political
20:20:02 <DavidWHodgins> denisbr: Welcome
20:20:15 <MageiaTJ> Hello, denisbr!
20:20:17 <bri_an> denisbr:  Welcome - Illinois, USA
20:20:20 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins, from London, Ontario, Canada.
20:20:32 <wilcal> nobody wants to bail out the Gambling casinos
20:20:37 <denisbr> How I can contribute, in the site or other way
20:20:39 <hviaene> Here some politiians raise the issue whether we would be allowwed to cycle more than 25 km from home
20:20:42 <tarazed> Good to see you denisbr
20:20:43 <denisbr> ?
20:20:45 <DavidWHodgins> The qa team is always a good place to start
20:20:50 <Benmc> benmc. hi from NZ
20:20:53 <wilcal> wilcal in Las Vegas
20:20:59 <MageiaTJ> I'm Tom Andrews, better known here as TJ, from near Syracuse, New York State.
20:20:59 <denisbr> DavidWHodgin, bri_an Hello!
20:21:11 <hviaene> hviaene Belgium
20:21:16 <tarazed> Len Lawrence in Edinburgh Scotland
20:21:32 <hviaene> Herman Viaene full name
20:21:47 <Bequimao> denisbr: Welcome, too. I am German, but now I am in Brazil, too. I think we have chatted before in #mageia.
20:21:54 <DavidWHodgins> denisbr: See https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Team and especially the portal it links to
20:22:15 <denisbr> DavidWHodgins: I am colaborating with portuguese brazilian support at our forum But the users in the Brazilian is little Then I wanna to colaborate with global project
20:22:21 <bri_an> Denisbr - this is the QA team.  We work a list of changes to confirm the application still works and possibly test the fix
20:22:29 <tarazed> denisbr: ? -> we were talking about codid-19
20:22:38 <tarazed> covid
20:22:38 <denisbr> Bequimao: where do you now in the Brazil?
20:22:53 <Bequimao> Janaúba, MG
20:23:00 <denisbr> tarazed: sorry
20:23:04 <denisbr> Bequimao: lol!
20:23:14 <MageiaTJ> Contributions come in many forms, not just packaging. QA is considered equally as important as development.
20:24:00 <bri_an> we always need more hands and assistance.
20:24:03 <denisbr> I will see the link about QA_Team ... Thanks for time
20:24:03 <DavidWHodgins> We test all updates for packages in the stable releases, and also test iso images for new versions of Mageia, before they are released to the public
20:24:08 <bri_an> some are easy, like testing a browser
20:24:51 <Luigi12> the QA team is a great starting place to learn how Mageia operates
20:25:10 <Luigi12> for getting into packaging, #mageia-mentoring is the IRC place for that (plus the dev mailing list)
20:25:27 <denisbr> Luigi12: lol! I will see the link from Mageia QA
20:26:02 <DavidWHodgins> denisbr: Most of the discussions occur in the qa team mailing list. You can subscribe to it via https://ml.mageia.org/l/home
20:26:04 <[mbot> [ Mageia Mailing lists service - home ]
20:26:20 <Luigi12> qa-discuss
20:27:41 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, the discuss ml. The qa-bugs list gets a copy of all bugzilla messages for bugs assigned to qa, while the qa-commits is about svn commits for advisories
20:28:19 <DavidWHodgins> And qa-reports gets adivsories for updates pushed from updates testing to the updates repository
20:28:23 <Luigi12> well there's qa-discuss for QA discussions and discuss for general Mageia discusions and help
20:28:37 <DavidWHodgins> Yep
20:28:49 <Luigi12> looks like we haven't used the announce ml in quite a while
20:29:25 <Luigi12> we never announced Mageia 7
20:29:56 <DavidWHodgins> Oops. Only 3 messages in the entire history of that ml, last one in 2016
20:30:16 <Luigi12> well not the entire history, remember our ml archives got lost at one point
20:30:18 <hviaene> Then drop it
20:30:50 <hviaene> I've never seen it
20:31:10 <Luigi12> I wonder how many subscribers it has
20:31:54 <tarazed> It was more active in Mandriva I seem to remember
20:32:11 <Luigi12> yeah
20:32:30 <hviaene> That's almost pre-history
20:32:49 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12: Ah Yes. it was previously called the mageia-announce mailing list
20:33:11 <Luigi12> yeah I think that was when we were using mailman
20:34:02 <DavidWHodgins> SThat one had 27 messages between Sept, 2010 and March 2013
20:34:27 <Luigi12> pretty sure we lost archives for the sympa lists though
20:34:55 <Bequimao> denisbr: I will be present at #mageia and #mageia-br if possible.
20:36:04 <denisbr> Bequimao: good!
20:36:07 <DavidWHodgins> I'm still using opera for my ml, email, usenet, etc. and have an archive going back to 2003. Most mailing lists, I've kept all of the messages, just not the full bugs ml
20:36:30 <wilcal> opera wow
20:37:22 <DavidWHodgins> Still using it in Mageia 7, by temporarily enabling the Mageia 4 repos, and installing it. Have to remove task-obsolete to do so. :-)
20:37:32 <mokraemer> lol, I thought I'm the only opera user left
20:37:42 <Luigi12> I'm still using KNode on Mageia 5 for the mailing lists
20:37:44 * Luigi12 ducks
20:38:24 <DavidWHodgins> Been using opera since back when I was still using windows, and still have all of those messages.
20:38:37 <Luigi12> wow
20:38:39 <MageiaTJ> I use the current Thunderbird. You guys make me feel so... inadequate.
20:38:45 <DavidWHodgins> Almost 300,000 messages in my archive
20:38:48 <Luigi12> I think I've only been using KNode for like 15 years
20:38:58 <Luigi12> I used Thunderbird before that
20:38:59 <hviaene> Bunch of ludditessurprise
20:39:02 <Luigi12> will have to switch back to it
20:39:32 <kekePower> Stopped using an email client when I go a gmail account
20:39:45 <kekePower> s/go/got
20:39:49 <DavidWHodgins> I'm using gmail with pop3
20:39:55 <wilcal> i use gmail exclusively
20:39:59 <Benmc> Im too lazy, just use T/b,
20:40:52 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else?
20:41:03 <wilcal> nothing from me
20:41:04 <DavidWHodgins> Seems we are already on this topic. :-)
20:41:05 <bri_an> not from me
20:41:12 <wilcal> everyone stay safe
20:41:18 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like countdown time then
20:41:21 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5
20:41:23 <DavidWHodgins> 4
20:41:25 <wilcal> thanks all
20:41:26 <DavidWHodgins> 3
20:41:28 <DavidWHodgins> 2
20:41:29 <hviaene> What happened to qupzilla, left out in M7??
20:41:44 <tarazed> Bye everybody
20:42:53 <kekePower> I used Pmail in DOS back in the early 90s before moving on to Pegasus Mail for Windows
20:42:56 <DavidWHodgins> hviaene: Looks like it was dropped after Mageia 6
20:43:28 <hviaene> OK, tx
20:43:41 <Luigi12> I thought it was renamed
20:44:04 <tarazed> Yes = looks like it is falkon now
20:44:05 <Luigi12> falkon
20:44:20 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Yes.
20:44:21 <hviaene> Oh, tx for the info
20:44:41 <hviaene> G'night all.
20:44:43 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone. I'll post the links to the logs, to the ml.
20:44:48 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting