20:03:08 <DavidWHodgins> #startmeeting 20:03:08 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Mar 26 20:03:08 2020 UTC. The chair is DavidWHodgins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:03:08 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:03:27 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal MageiaTJ tarazed 20:03:27 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins MageiaTJ tarazed wilcal 20:03:34 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello 20:03:50 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who hasn't been to a qa team irc meeting before? 20:03:57 <Benmc> crickets 20:04:25 <wilcal> everyone is in charge 20:04:31 <DavidWHodgins> lol 20:04:35 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing updates - Any questions or problems 20:04:51 <tarazed> Yes, locales 20:05:09 <tarazed> Chenging locales is not a smooth business 20:05:16 <DavidWHodgins> That's in reference to the gdb testing? 20:05:50 <tarazed> gnubg - the problem only manifested itself for Spanish 20:06:42 <tarazed> drakconf is useless for changing locales - here anyway 20:07:08 <DavidWHodgins> Changing locale should be able to be done using mcc/System/Manage localization ..., not sure if it requires the locales-$lang package to be pre-installed 20:07:31 <hviaene> Yeah, that's why i switched my testing stuff back to english 20:08:13 <DavidWHodgins> As I only understand English, with very very limited french, that's not something I'm good at testing. 20:08:17 <tarazed> Even after succeeding in sqitching to es I then had a problem getting back to English. 20:08:50 <tarazed> Had to set all the environment varaiables manually after removing the Spanish locales package 20:09:00 <tarazed> switching 20:09:08 <MageiaTJ> Dave: Same here. I left high school Spanish behind over 50 years ago. 20:09:27 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Creating a new user after the system level change would be the best way to test that. 20:10:04 <DavidWHodgins> The user will have their own config files that override the system level settings. One linux system can have many users, each with their own language chosen. 20:10:06 <tarazed> I actually did a local build in Spanish before the locales stuff would kick in. 20:11:00 <DavidWHodgins> The system level settings are the default for new users, not forced on all users, if the packages for the other languages are installed too. 20:12:01 <DavidWHodgins> So to test for a new language, ensure the locales package for that language is installed, change the system settings, then create a new user and use that user for the testing. 20:12:24 <tarazed> Sounds like a good plan 20:13:01 <hviaene> Why don't you all learn Dutch???? 20:13:11 <wilcal> OMG 20:13:22 <bri_an> i have enough problems with anglish 20:13:37 <hviaene> I see 20:13:46 <DavidWHodgins> lol. I can sort of read German, as I've found that sounding out the words they are similar enough to English as to be understandable. 20:13:48 <MageiaTJ> I have some Dutch DNA in me. Maybe that would help... 20:13:54 <wilcal> Dutch is not an easy language to learn 20:14:21 <DavidWHodgins> Back on topic, any other questions about pending updates? 20:15:02 <wilcal> not from me 20:15:04 <hviaene> None if nothing changed since 8 hour ago 20:15:10 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Time change to 19:00 GMT next meeting 20:15:11 <MageiaTJ> Sympa has been there a long time Anybody want to tackle that? 20:15:33 <MageiaTJ> Rats. Too slow at the keyboard... 20:15:34 <hviaene> I did with little success 20:15:58 <DavidWHodgins> As usual, irc meetings are based on the current time in Paris, France, so when Europe switches to DST this Sunday, that means meetings will change to 19UTC 20:16:24 <wilcal> I think we got it right this year 20:16:33 <tarazed> We did 20:16:34 <DavidWHodgins> Yeah! :-) 20:16:57 <Benmc> same time for the change here, so I will have a 7am instead of 9am meeeting 20:17:05 <DavidWHodgins> I'm the one who usually messes it up, so good thing I didn't speak up about it this time. 20:17:21 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch. Hope you're a morning person. 20:17:28 <MageiaTJ> Back to 3PM here. 20:17:31 <tarazed> Benmc: is that better for you? 20:17:49 <wilcal> i'm fine with the change 20:17:52 <Benmc> breakfast time with a 3yo, its just great 20:17:58 <DavidWHodgins> lol 20:18:03 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Covid-19 Discussion on QA mailing list 20:18:32 <wilcal> I live in a city devistated by all this 20:18:38 <tarazed> Keep plenty of screenwipes handy 20:18:58 <bri_an> mostly the economy I think wilcal 20:19:10 <wilcal> a huge percentage of the population have lost their job 20:19:19 <tarazed> The UK was slow to adapt but is coming round to the new order. 20:19:20 <DavidWHodgins> It's definitely off topic for the list, and I pushed some buttons with my overly negative attitude (sorry about that), but I see no reason to object to the discussions continuing. The qa list has always allowed general discussions 20:19:29 <wilcal> in the city i live in 20:19:41 <denisbr> Hi All, I am a mageia user since 2016 I´m from Brasil, a PHP developer and I wanna to contribute to Mageia Project, but I can´t be a packager. 20:19:43 <Benmc> I had hoped it would be just a news type discussion, with what is happening locally, without getting political 20:20:02 <DavidWHodgins> denisbr: Welcome 20:20:15 <MageiaTJ> Hello, denisbr! 20:20:17 <bri_an> denisbr: Welcome - Illinois, USA 20:20:20 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins, from London, Ontario, Canada. 20:20:32 <wilcal> nobody wants to bail out the Gambling casinos 20:20:37 <denisbr> How I can contribute, in the site or other way 20:20:39 <hviaene> Here some politiians raise the issue whether we would be allowwed to cycle more than 25 km from home 20:20:42 <tarazed> Good to see you denisbr 20:20:43 <denisbr> ? 20:20:45 <DavidWHodgins> The qa team is always a good place to start 20:20:50 <Benmc> benmc. hi from NZ 20:20:53 <wilcal> wilcal in Las Vegas 20:20:59 <MageiaTJ> I'm Tom Andrews, better known here as TJ, from near Syracuse, New York State. 20:20:59 <denisbr> DavidWHodgin, bri_an Hello! 20:21:11 <hviaene> hviaene Belgium 20:21:16 <tarazed> Len Lawrence in Edinburgh Scotland 20:21:32 <hviaene> Herman Viaene full name 20:21:47 <Bequimao> denisbr: Welcome, too. I am German, but now I am in Brazil, too. I think we have chatted before in #mageia. 20:21:54 <DavidWHodgins> denisbr: See https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Team and especially the portal it links to 20:22:15 <denisbr> DavidWHodgins: I am colaborating with portuguese brazilian support at our forum But the users in the Brazilian is little Then I wanna to colaborate with global project 20:22:21 <bri_an> Denisbr - this is the QA team. We work a list of changes to confirm the application still works and possibly test the fix 20:22:29 <tarazed> denisbr: ? -> we were talking about codid-19 20:22:38 <tarazed> covid 20:22:38 <denisbr> Bequimao: where do you now in the Brazil? 20:22:53 <Bequimao> Janaúba, MG 20:23:00 <denisbr> tarazed: sorry 20:23:04 <denisbr> Bequimao: lol! 20:23:14 <MageiaTJ> Contributions come in many forms, not just packaging. QA is considered equally as important as development. 20:24:00 <bri_an> we always need more hands and assistance. 20:24:03 <denisbr> I will see the link about QA_Team ... Thanks for time 20:24:03 <DavidWHodgins> We test all updates for packages in the stable releases, and also test iso images for new versions of Mageia, before they are released to the public 20:24:08 <bri_an> some are easy, like testing a browser 20:24:51 <Luigi12> the QA team is a great starting place to learn how Mageia operates 20:25:10 <Luigi12> for getting into packaging, #mageia-mentoring is the IRC place for that (plus the dev mailing list) 20:25:27 <denisbr> Luigi12: lol! I will see the link from Mageia QA 20:26:02 <DavidWHodgins> denisbr: Most of the discussions occur in the qa team mailing list. You can subscribe to it via https://ml.mageia.org/l/home 20:26:04 <[mbot> [ Mageia Mailing lists service - home ] 20:26:20 <Luigi12> qa-discuss 20:27:41 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, the discuss ml. The qa-bugs list gets a copy of all bugzilla messages for bugs assigned to qa, while the qa-commits is about svn commits for advisories 20:28:19 <DavidWHodgins> And qa-reports gets adivsories for updates pushed from updates testing to the updates repository 20:28:23 <Luigi12> well there's qa-discuss for QA discussions and discuss for general Mageia discusions and help 20:28:37 <DavidWHodgins> Yep 20:28:49 <Luigi12> looks like we haven't used the announce ml in quite a while 20:29:25 <Luigi12> we never announced Mageia 7 20:29:56 <DavidWHodgins> Oops. Only 3 messages in the entire history of that ml, last one in 2016 20:30:16 <Luigi12> well not the entire history, remember our ml archives got lost at one point 20:30:18 <hviaene> Then drop it 20:30:50 <hviaene> I've never seen it 20:31:10 <Luigi12> I wonder how many subscribers it has 20:31:54 <tarazed> It was more active in Mandriva I seem to remember 20:32:11 <Luigi12> yeah 20:32:30 <hviaene> That's almost pre-history 20:32:49 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12: Ah Yes. it was previously called the mageia-announce mailing list 20:33:11 <Luigi12> yeah I think that was when we were using mailman 20:34:02 <DavidWHodgins> SThat one had 27 messages between Sept, 2010 and March 2013 20:34:27 <Luigi12> pretty sure we lost archives for the sympa lists though 20:34:55 <Bequimao> denisbr: I will be present at #mageia and #mageia-br if possible. 20:36:04 <denisbr> Bequimao: good! 20:36:07 <DavidWHodgins> I'm still using opera for my ml, email, usenet, etc. and have an archive going back to 2003. Most mailing lists, I've kept all of the messages, just not the full bugs ml 20:36:30 <wilcal> opera wow 20:37:22 <DavidWHodgins> Still using it in Mageia 7, by temporarily enabling the Mageia 4 repos, and installing it. Have to remove task-obsolete to do so. :-) 20:37:32 <mokraemer> lol, I thought I'm the only opera user left 20:37:42 <Luigi12> I'm still using KNode on Mageia 5 for the mailing lists 20:37:44 * Luigi12 ducks 20:38:24 <DavidWHodgins> Been using opera since back when I was still using windows, and still have all of those messages. 20:38:37 <Luigi12> wow 20:38:39 <MageiaTJ> I use the current Thunderbird. You guys make me feel so... inadequate. 20:38:45 <DavidWHodgins> Almost 300,000 messages in my archive 20:38:48 <Luigi12> I think I've only been using KNode for like 15 years 20:38:58 <Luigi12> I used Thunderbird before that 20:38:59 <hviaene> Bunch of ludditessurprise 20:39:02 <Luigi12> will have to switch back to it 20:39:32 <kekePower> Stopped using an email client when I go a gmail account 20:39:45 <kekePower> s/go/got 20:39:49 <DavidWHodgins> I'm using gmail with pop3 20:39:55 <wilcal> i use gmail exclusively 20:39:59 <Benmc> Im too lazy, just use T/b, 20:40:52 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else? 20:41:03 <wilcal> nothing from me 20:41:04 <DavidWHodgins> Seems we are already on this topic. :-) 20:41:05 <bri_an> not from me 20:41:12 <wilcal> everyone stay safe 20:41:18 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like countdown time then 20:41:21 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5 20:41:23 <DavidWHodgins> 4 20:41:25 <wilcal> thanks all 20:41:26 <DavidWHodgins> 3 20:41:28 <DavidWHodgins> 2 20:41:29 <hviaene> What happened to qupzilla, left out in M7?? 20:41:44 <tarazed> Bye everybody 20:42:53 <kekePower> I used Pmail in DOS back in the early 90s before moving on to Pegasus Mail for Windows 20:42:56 <DavidWHodgins> hviaene: Looks like it was dropped after Mageia 6 20:43:28 <hviaene> OK, tx 20:43:41 <Luigi12> I thought it was renamed 20:44:04 <tarazed> Yes = looks like it is falkon now 20:44:05 <Luigi12> falkon 20:44:20 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Yes. 20:44:21 <hviaene> Oh, tx for the info 20:44:41 <hviaene> G'night all. 20:44:43 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone. I'll post the links to the logs, to the ml. 20:44:48 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting