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20:03:28 <wilcal> #chair MageiaTJ
20:03:28 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: MageiaTJ wilcal
20:03:38 <wilcal> Now TJ is in charge
20:03:49 <MageiaTJ> Bwahaha!
20:03:55 <wilcal> LOL
20:04:03 <hviaene> yeepee
20:04:06 <wilcal> eye drops are killing me
20:04:15 <MageiaTJ> #topic Who's new?
20:04:23 <bri_an> wilcal: yeah hang in there
20:04:50 <MageiaTJ> Anybody new here today?
20:04:51 <rindolf> Benmc: hi
20:05:23 <MageiaTJ> Silence.
20:05:25 <bri_an> Benmc: hi
20:05:56 <hviaene> He isn't here in my list
20:06:16 <MageiaTJ> #topic Testing Updates - Any questions?
20:06:40 <wilcal> List is vastly shortened many thanks to all
20:06:46 <hviaene> I hope I can finish the sphinx thingy
20:07:12 <wilcal> A nice easy Firefox in there
20:07:17 <MageiaTJ> All three nvidia drivers just showed up.
20:07:24 <bri_an> testing 390 as we chat
20:07:39 <wilcal> I use the intel i915 so I can't test any of them
20:07:47 <MageiaTJ> I dumped my last nvidia card, so I can't test any of them.
20:08:14 <bri_an> 25782 - xen.  I think it needs Virt-Manager to be upgraded before it is configurable.  xen itself works, but <shrug>
20:08:38 <wilcal> As the intel standard frame buffers get better there's really no reason for nvidia unles your a gamer
20:08:44 <bri_an> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25782
20:08:47 <[mbot> [ 25782 – xen, new security issues XSA-306 XSA-304, CVE-2018-12207 XSA-305, CVE-2019-11135 XSA-296, CVE-2019-18420 XSA-298, CVE-2019-18425 XSA-299, CVE-2019-18421 XSA-301, CVE-2019-18423 XSA-302, CVE-2019-18424 XSA-303, CVE-2019-18422 XSA-295, CVE-2019-17349, CVE… ]
20:09:12 <bri_an> true - on integrated, the improvements are phenomenal
20:09:49 <bri_an> of course if you run Ryzen - then discrete graphics become necessary unless it is an xxxxG model
20:09:51 <MageiaTJ> Does anybody know anything about using mutt? bug 25909
20:09:53 <[mbot> Bug: ['mutt new security issue rhbz#1710397', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25909
20:10:30 <bri_an> nothing here.
20:10:58 <MageiaTJ> AMD/Radeon support is FOSS support is much better these days than nvidia's.
20:11:25 <MageiaTJ> (need to edit better)
20:11:41 <hviaene> The mutt update: I hit the wall there
20:11:53 <MageiaTJ> Yeah, I saw that.
20:11:57 <wilcal> Linux e-mail client
20:12:14 <MageiaTJ> Thinking of sending it on with a clean install.
20:12:22 <hviaene> wilcal:being sarcastic??
20:12:23 <wilcal> And it's a command line thing
20:12:38 <rindolf> wilcal: it is tui
20:12:46 <wilcal> woowoooow I donno if I wanna deal with that
20:13:09 <wilcal> I pretty much exclusively use gmail
20:13:23 <bri_an> I just flashed memories of a blue background Email client from dos days.
20:13:25 <hviaene> What is "tui"?
20:14:03 <rindolf> hviaene: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text-based_user_interface
20:14:09 <wilcal> remember the days
20:14:30 <hviaene> brrrrr, cold water
20:14:33 <MageiaTJ> Ah. Wiped reading glasses. MUCH better.
20:15:02 <MageiaTJ> Probably not used so much by most folks these days.
20:15:50 <bri_an> I can only imagine it would be used by a hosted text only server somewhere.
20:16:03 <wilcal> I have a full selection of reading glasses
20:16:09 <MageiaTJ> I'll send it on. It's been sitting there long enough.
20:16:15 <wilcal> thks
20:16:35 <wilcal> big update today went through here just fine
20:16:46 <MageiaTJ> These are dollar store cheapies. Fortunately, all I need - so far.
20:16:59 <bri_an> here too
20:17:42 <wilcal> I bought every strength at the dollar store and it helped me figure out what worked best for what
20:17:54 <bri_an> radeon firmware update just dropped out there.  I'll apply it and see if it breaks my apu
20:18:31 <bri_an> but afraid I don't have new enough AMD graphics for that
20:18:51 <MageiaTJ> I'll try it too, but I don't think my aging hardware is affected.
20:19:27 <MageiaTJ> Surely Foolishness isn't. :-)
20:19:40 <bri_an> LOL - still worth an install
20:20:02 <Benmc> morning folks -just got back from an outcall
20:20:21 <wilcal> hi ben
20:20:24 <MageiaTJ> Hello, Ben.
20:20:28 <wilcal> we're on tsting updates
20:20:31 <hviaene> Hi Ben
20:20:46 <wilcal> kinda of a short list in there
20:20:51 <MageiaTJ> We're talikng about testing updates. Any problems to bring up?
20:21:02 <bri_an> Hi Ben - I just looked outcall up in a dictionary... I think it translated wrong
20:21:08 <wilcal> hard to test the nvidia bugs due to needing the specific hardware
20:21:51 <Benmc> no probs. just need to dig out my nvidia 340 + 390 harware
20:22:21 <bri_an> wilcal: yes.  I've got hardware that uses 390.
20:22:30 <Benmc> Bri_an: outcall for me is visit  customer at thier home to fix their appliance or suchlike
20:22:48 <bri_an> I was guessing that was it
20:22:49 <MageiaTJ> OK, good. I COULD put my old nvidia340 card back into one of my desktops, but I'd rather not.
20:23:23 <wilcal> Note that over the years I found that you have to be mindful of nvidia updates and if Vbox works or not after the update
20:24:03 <wilcal> A simple nvidia update can bork Vbox
20:24:19 <MageiaTJ> I can't remember running into problems with vbox after an nvidia update. Must have been lucky.
20:24:26 <bri_an> unfortunately - no vbox on this hardware
20:24:36 <wilcal> very hardware specific
20:24:38 <bri_an> BUT - xen breaks
20:25:13 <MageiaTJ> bri_an: maybe not after the pending update???
20:26:06 <MageiaTJ> The xen update, I mean.
20:27:19 <bri_an> I moved it to intel to test.
20:27:23 <bri_an> still challenged
20:27:27 <MageiaTJ> OKay, that's just security updates, not bugfixes. Might not make a difference.
20:28:22 <wilcal> Bugfixes kinda means you need to duplicate the bug, then update it, then test to make sure the bug is gone
20:28:36 <wilcal> sometimes that's hard to do
20:28:46 <MageiaTJ> Agreed.
20:29:20 <wilcal> You kinda have to post on the bug asking the person who created the bug to test the fix
20:29:44 <hviaene> I've hardly ever done that
20:30:07 <hviaene> I mean teting the bugs
20:30:15 <MageiaTJ> I try that, but it doesn't always work out. Several times the reporter just ignores it.
20:30:16 <hviaene> teSting
20:30:22 <bri_an> says kernel 5.5 - cauldron.  I'm guessing just a 5.4 validation
20:30:36 <wilcal> then you have to do the nothing got harmed. update nothing got broke so must be ok
20:32:07 <MageiaTJ> Those nvidia driver updates provide kernel 5.5 support. Must be kernel 5.5 is coming to M7 soon.
20:32:46 <wilcal> I bet we do 7 or 8 kernel updates every year
20:32:52 <MageiaTJ> Time to move on.
20:32:56 <wilcal> yup
20:33:08 <MageiaTJ> #topic Anything Else?
20:33:24 <hviaene> None here
20:33:32 <MageiaTJ> Another shortish meeting this week.
20:33:47 <bri_an> nothing here
20:33:48 <wilcal> I'm here good Dr visit yesterday
20:33:59 <bri_an> wilcal: great news
20:34:11 <wilcal> she's buying time till the hopefully last surgery
20:34:15 <MageiaTJ> wilcal: Excellent!
20:35:03 <wilcal> I've nothing else
20:35:43 <MageiaTJ> Well then... Must be countdown time.
20:35:53 <wilcal> Sounds about rignt
20:36:00 <hviaene> G'night all
20:36:04 <wilcal> You get to do the honors TJ
20:36:10 <MageiaTJ> T-5
20:36:17 <wilcal> bye all see you next week
20:36:20 <MageiaTJ> T-4
20:36:30 <MageiaTJ> T-3
20:36:38 <MageiaTJ> T-2
20:36:50 <MageiaTJ> T-1
20:36:51 <rindolf> wilcal: bye
20:36:57 <wilcal> bye
20:37:06 <MageiaTJ> T-0
20:37:17 <MageiaTJ> #endmeeting