20:03:03 <wilcal> #startmeeting 20:03:03 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Feb 13 20:03:03 2020 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:03:03 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:03:28 <wilcal> #chair MageiaTJ 20:03:28 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: MageiaTJ wilcal 20:03:38 <wilcal> Now TJ is in charge 20:03:49 <MageiaTJ> Bwahaha! 20:03:55 <wilcal> LOL 20:04:03 <hviaene> yeepee 20:04:06 <wilcal> eye drops are killing me 20:04:15 <MageiaTJ> #topic Who's new? 20:04:23 <bri_an> wilcal: yeah hang in there 20:04:50 <MageiaTJ> Anybody new here today? 20:04:51 <rindolf> Benmc: hi 20:05:23 <MageiaTJ> Silence. 20:05:25 <bri_an> Benmc: hi 20:05:56 <hviaene> He isn't here in my list 20:06:16 <MageiaTJ> #topic Testing Updates - Any questions? 20:06:40 <wilcal> List is vastly shortened many thanks to all 20:06:46 <hviaene> I hope I can finish the sphinx thingy 20:07:12 <wilcal> A nice easy Firefox in there 20:07:17 <MageiaTJ> All three nvidia drivers just showed up. 20:07:24 <bri_an> testing 390 as we chat 20:07:39 <wilcal> I use the intel i915 so I can't test any of them 20:07:47 <MageiaTJ> I dumped my last nvidia card, so I can't test any of them. 20:08:14 <bri_an> 25782 - xen. I think it needs Virt-Manager to be upgraded before it is configurable. xen itself works, but <shrug> 20:08:38 <wilcal> As the intel standard frame buffers get better there's really no reason for nvidia unles your a gamer 20:08:44 <bri_an> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25782 20:08:47 <[mbot> [ 25782 – xen, new security issues XSA-306 XSA-304, CVE-2018-12207 XSA-305, CVE-2019-11135 XSA-296, CVE-2019-18420 XSA-298, CVE-2019-18425 XSA-299, CVE-2019-18421 XSA-301, CVE-2019-18423 XSA-302, CVE-2019-18424 XSA-303, CVE-2019-18422 XSA-295, CVE-2019-17349, CVE… ] 20:09:12 <bri_an> true - on integrated, the improvements are phenomenal 20:09:49 <bri_an> of course if you run Ryzen - then discrete graphics become necessary unless it is an xxxxG model 20:09:51 <MageiaTJ> Does anybody know anything about using mutt? bug 25909 20:09:53 <[mbot> Bug: ['mutt new security issue rhbz#1710397', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25909 20:10:30 <bri_an> nothing here. 20:10:58 <MageiaTJ> AMD/Radeon support is FOSS support is much better these days than nvidia's. 20:11:25 <MageiaTJ> (need to edit better) 20:11:41 <hviaene> The mutt update: I hit the wall there 20:11:53 <MageiaTJ> Yeah, I saw that. 20:11:57 <wilcal> Linux e-mail client 20:12:14 <MageiaTJ> Thinking of sending it on with a clean install. 20:12:22 <hviaene> wilcal:being sarcastic?? 20:12:23 <wilcal> And it's a command line thing 20:12:38 <rindolf> wilcal: it is tui 20:12:46 <wilcal> woowoooow I donno if I wanna deal with that 20:13:09 <wilcal> I pretty much exclusively use gmail 20:13:23 <bri_an> I just flashed memories of a blue background Email client from dos days. 20:13:25 <hviaene> What is "tui"? 20:14:03 <rindolf> hviaene: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text-based_user_interface 20:14:09 <wilcal> remember the days 20:14:30 <hviaene> brrrrr, cold water 20:14:33 <MageiaTJ> Ah. Wiped reading glasses. MUCH better. 20:15:02 <MageiaTJ> Probably not used so much by most folks these days. 20:15:50 <bri_an> I can only imagine it would be used by a hosted text only server somewhere. 20:16:03 <wilcal> I have a full selection of reading glasses 20:16:09 <MageiaTJ> I'll send it on. It's been sitting there long enough. 20:16:15 <wilcal> thks 20:16:35 <wilcal> big update today went through here just fine 20:16:46 <MageiaTJ> These are dollar store cheapies. Fortunately, all I need - so far. 20:16:59 <bri_an> here too 20:17:42 <wilcal> I bought every strength at the dollar store and it helped me figure out what worked best for what 20:17:54 <bri_an> radeon firmware update just dropped out there. I'll apply it and see if it breaks my apu 20:18:31 <bri_an> but afraid I don't have new enough AMD graphics for that 20:18:51 <MageiaTJ> I'll try it too, but I don't think my aging hardware is affected. 20:19:27 <MageiaTJ> Surely Foolishness isn't. :-) 20:19:40 <bri_an> LOL - still worth an install 20:20:02 <Benmc> morning folks -just got back from an outcall 20:20:21 <wilcal> hi ben 20:20:24 <MageiaTJ> Hello, Ben. 20:20:28 <wilcal> we're on tsting updates 20:20:31 <hviaene> Hi Ben 20:20:46 <wilcal> kinda of a short list in there 20:20:51 <MageiaTJ> We're talikng about testing updates. Any problems to bring up? 20:21:02 <bri_an> Hi Ben - I just looked outcall up in a dictionary... I think it translated wrong 20:21:08 <wilcal> hard to test the nvidia bugs due to needing the specific hardware 20:21:51 <Benmc> no probs. just need to dig out my nvidia 340 + 390 harware 20:22:21 <bri_an> wilcal: yes. I've got hardware that uses 390. 20:22:30 <Benmc> Bri_an: outcall for me is visit customer at thier home to fix their appliance or suchlike 20:22:48 <bri_an> I was guessing that was it 20:22:49 <MageiaTJ> OK, good. I COULD put my old nvidia340 card back into one of my desktops, but I'd rather not. 20:23:23 <wilcal> Note that over the years I found that you have to be mindful of nvidia updates and if Vbox works or not after the update 20:24:03 <wilcal> A simple nvidia update can bork Vbox 20:24:19 <MageiaTJ> I can't remember running into problems with vbox after an nvidia update. Must have been lucky. 20:24:26 <bri_an> unfortunately - no vbox on this hardware 20:24:36 <wilcal> very hardware specific 20:24:38 <bri_an> BUT - xen breaks 20:25:13 <MageiaTJ> bri_an: maybe not after the pending update??? 20:26:06 <MageiaTJ> The xen update, I mean. 20:27:19 <bri_an> I moved it to intel to test. 20:27:23 <bri_an> still challenged 20:27:27 <MageiaTJ> OKay, that's just security updates, not bugfixes. Might not make a difference. 20:28:22 <wilcal> Bugfixes kinda means you need to duplicate the bug, then update it, then test to make sure the bug is gone 20:28:36 <wilcal> sometimes that's hard to do 20:28:46 <MageiaTJ> Agreed. 20:29:20 <wilcal> You kinda have to post on the bug asking the person who created the bug to test the fix 20:29:44 <hviaene> I've hardly ever done that 20:30:07 <hviaene> I mean teting the bugs 20:30:15 <MageiaTJ> I try that, but it doesn't always work out. Several times the reporter just ignores it. 20:30:16 <hviaene> teSting 20:30:22 <bri_an> says kernel 5.5 - cauldron. I'm guessing just a 5.4 validation 20:30:36 <wilcal> then you have to do the nothing got harmed. update nothing got broke so must be ok 20:32:07 <MageiaTJ> Those nvidia driver updates provide kernel 5.5 support. Must be kernel 5.5 is coming to M7 soon. 20:32:46 <wilcal> I bet we do 7 or 8 kernel updates every year 20:32:52 <MageiaTJ> Time to move on. 20:32:56 <wilcal> yup 20:33:08 <MageiaTJ> #topic Anything Else? 20:33:24 <hviaene> None here 20:33:32 <MageiaTJ> Another shortish meeting this week. 20:33:47 <bri_an> nothing here 20:33:48 <wilcal> I'm here good Dr visit yesterday 20:33:59 <bri_an> wilcal: great news 20:34:11 <wilcal> she's buying time till the hopefully last surgery 20:34:15 <MageiaTJ> wilcal: Excellent! 20:35:03 <wilcal> I've nothing else 20:35:43 <MageiaTJ> Well then... Must be countdown time. 20:35:53 <wilcal> Sounds about rignt 20:36:00 <hviaene> G'night all 20:36:04 <wilcal> You get to do the honors TJ 20:36:10 <MageiaTJ> T-5 20:36:17 <wilcal> bye all see you next week 20:36:20 <MageiaTJ> T-4 20:36:30 <MageiaTJ> T-3 20:36:38 <MageiaTJ> T-2 20:36:50 <MageiaTJ> T-1 20:36:51 <rindolf> wilcal: bye 20:36:57 <wilcal> bye 20:37:06 <MageiaTJ> T-0 20:37:17 <MageiaTJ> #endmeeting