20:04:17 <wilcal> #startmeeting 20:04:17 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu Feb 6 20:04:17 2020 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:04:17 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:04:29 <wilcal> welcome to another qa meeting 20:04:45 <bri_an> I've misssed a couple good to be back 20:04:51 <wilcal> #chair MageiaTJ 20:04:51 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: MageiaTJ wilcal 20:04:58 <wilcal> well so have i 20:05:27 <wilcal> I'll do my best but I still am struggling with vision problems 20:05:39 <MageiaTJ> I've quit keeping track of the ones I miss. 20:05:49 <bri_an> :wilcal - best to you 20:05:53 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 20:06:01 <wilcal> anyone new here today 20:06:35 <wilcal> nope 20:06:47 <wilcal> so lets get into the hot topic on the ML 20:06:51 <wilcal> #topic 5.4.17 Kernel i915 hangs 20:07:27 <wilcal> I think all my platforms are Intel I915 and I updated everything and I'm ok 20:07:36 <MageiaTJ> I guess those affected have been with all the 5.4 kernels. 20:07:51 <hviaene> I am running the server version, and I noticed some minor hiccups, never had those before. 20:08:01 <MageiaTJ> No problems here, either. 20:08:07 <bri_an> I'm curious to the hardware Claire is running. Wondering if it is the old IO stress issue I used to experience 20:08:12 <hviaene> System seems to hang for 1 or max. 2 seconds 20:08:35 <wilcal> I'm runnng the 5.4.17 kernel 20:08:36 <bri_an> used to be gnome would drive me crazy doing that 20:08:39 <hviaene> And it's a AMD system 20:08:52 <hviaene> running Plasma 20:09:06 <wilcal> So how serious is this. I run PLasma everywhere 20:09:18 <MageiaTJ> Claire didn't say what DE she's using. 20:09:32 <hviaene> In my case, not really serious 20:09:42 <wilcal> Has anyone other then Claire experienced it 20:10:36 <bri_an> anybody remember the parameter to tell the kernel not to address meltdown. That puts a load on some intels 20:10:44 <MageiaTJ> Jim Beard has seen it with Gnome. 20:11:15 <bri_an> I ran into it with gnome under high io. 20:11:22 <bri_an> with amd 20:11:38 <wilcal> so the system has to be really really busy? 20:11:50 <hviaene> I could run this machine on Xfce, if that would make a dfiiference??? 20:12:05 <wilcal> I do network backups and didn't see it 20:12:07 <MageiaTJ> I just looked at Usenet, and Bill Unruh posted that he's seen it, too. 20:12:15 <bri_an> that's when mine hung up or running - chromium it would sometimes freeze 20:12:20 <bri_an> older version 20:12:35 <wilcal> Does the entire system hang or just the user? 20:12:51 <bri_an> I was able to get to command prompt - alt f2 20:12:55 <wilcal> ctrl-alt-backspace gets you out 20:13:04 <bri_an> and force reboot 20:13:30 <bri_an> again this was way before 5.4.x 20:14:52 <wilcal> So high IO over the LAN or WAN? 20:14:57 <wilcal> or both 20:14:59 <bri_an> disk 20:15:09 <bri_an> my solution was ssd versus spinning rust 20:15:19 <wilcal> copy a big file 20:15:37 <david_david> hi 20:15:39 <bri_an> yup - like back up a VM 20:15:45 <wilcal> Hi david 20:15:50 <MageiaTJ> bug 25930 20:15:52 <[mbot> Bug: ['Graphic driver i915 crashed', 'REOPENED', 'Kernel and Drivers maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25930 20:16:49 <MageiaTJ> bri_an: Hmmm. All my i915 machines have ssds now. 20:17:51 <bri_an> I also think DE may have some influence 20:18:26 <bri_an> I'm running a 5400RPM on this session with plasma - no issues. 20:18:26 <wilcal> So there's an official bug. 20:19:08 <wilcal> Which DE do you think is most susceptable 20:19:46 <bri_an> gnome 20:20:09 <MageiaTJ> wilcal: Yes. And the bug's been around for a while. Closed and reopened. 20:21:00 <MageiaTJ> Hard to squash because it only seems to affect some hardware. 20:21:26 <wilcal> I rareky use Gnome but my i586 Vbox text clients is Gnome 20:21:52 <wilcal> fast hardware or slow hardware 20:22:26 <MageiaTJ> Nobody's really said. 20:22:37 <bri_an> I'd like Claire's input on the hardware. 20:22:54 <MageiaTJ> Few have listed the exact hardware that's affected in each case. 20:22:54 <bri_an> who knows it could be gen 10 for all we know 20:23:55 <wilcal> Looks like lots of good people working the issue 20:24:20 <wilcal> So this will be a re-visit next week 20:25:10 <wilcal> ANything else on this 20:25:35 <hviaene> Not from me 20:25:42 <wilcal> lets move on 20:25:44 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports 20:25:56 <wilcal> Shorter list thanks to all 20:26:10 <bri_an> I guess I'll go back after xen this weekend. 20:26:20 <wilcal> Anything in there needs discussion 20:26:35 <bri_an> probably user error, but I can't get virt-manager to work. So will try manual 20:26:58 <bri_an> anybody here a xen and the art of m expert? 20:27:26 <bri_an> david? 20:28:07 <bri_an> <am I still connected> 20:28:25 <MageiaTJ> Yes, Bri_an. 20:28:59 <MageiaTJ> I didn't answer because I don't qualify. 20:29:10 <wilcal> ANything else on the list of updates 20:30:03 <wilcal> NOthing so lets move on 20:30:06 <wilcal> #topic Anything else? 20:30:23 <bri_an> nothing here 20:30:29 <bri_an> I'll finish Chromium today 20:30:38 <wilcal> I'm week to week. And will do as best I can 20:31:05 <hviaene> wilcal: meaning?? 20:31:22 <MageiaTJ> wilcal: That's all any of us can do. 20:31:28 <wilcal> I am being treated for vision problems 20:31:57 <wilcal> But, Ta Ta I can be moderator today 20:32:16 <hviaene> yes, but is "week to week" some idiom?? 20:33:07 <wilcal> I see the Dr every Wed and she determiines if I go in for more surger the following Monday 20:33:20 <MageiaTJ> I'd say it sounds better than "day to day." 20:33:31 <hviaene> OK, good luck then. 20:33:35 <wilcal> Last surgery went well but will it hold? 20:34:07 <wilcal> FOr the curious I had a "stint" put in my right eye 20:34:07 <bri_an> my thoughts are with you friend 20:34:16 <wilcal> thanks all 20:34:33 <wilcal> Ok count down time 20:34:40 <wilcal> thanks all for being here 20:34:56 <wilcal> See you next Thursday 20:35:00 <wilcal> T-5 20:35:01 <hviaene> CU all 20:35:21 <wilcal> T-4 20:35:26 <wilcal> T-3 20:35:34 <wilcal> T-2 20:35:39 <MageiaTJ> Thanks, wilcal. 20:35:45 <wilcal> T-1 20:35:52 <wilcal> #endmeeting