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20:04:29 <wilcal> welcome to another qa meeting
20:04:45 <bri_an> I've misssed a couple good to be back
20:04:51 <wilcal> #chair MageiaTJ
20:04:51 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: MageiaTJ wilcal
20:04:58 <wilcal> well so have i
20:05:27 <wilcal> I'll do my best but I still am struggling with vision problems
20:05:39 <MageiaTJ> I've quit keeping track of the ones I miss.
20:05:49 <bri_an> :wilcal - best to you
20:05:53 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:06:01 <wilcal> anyone new here today
20:06:35 <wilcal> nope
20:06:47 <wilcal> so lets get into the hot topic on the ML
20:06:51 <wilcal> #topic 5.4.17 Kernel i915 hangs
20:07:27 <wilcal> I think all my platforms are Intel I915 and I updated everything and I'm ok
20:07:36 <MageiaTJ> I guess those affected have been with all the 5.4 kernels.
20:07:51 <hviaene> I am running the server version, and I noticed some minor hiccups, never had those  before.
20:08:01 <MageiaTJ> No problems here, either.
20:08:07 <bri_an> I'm curious to the hardware Claire is running.  Wondering if it is the old IO stress issue I used to experience
20:08:12 <hviaene> System seems to hang for 1 or max. 2 seconds
20:08:35 <wilcal> I'm runnng the 5.4.17 kernel
20:08:36 <bri_an> used to be gnome would drive me crazy doing that
20:08:39 <hviaene> And it's a AMD system
20:08:52 <hviaene> running Plasma
20:09:06 <wilcal> So how serious is this. I run PLasma everywhere
20:09:18 <MageiaTJ> Claire didn't say what DE she's using.
20:09:32 <hviaene> In my case, not really serious
20:09:42 <wilcal> Has anyone other then Claire experienced it
20:10:36 <bri_an> anybody remember the parameter to tell the kernel not to address meltdown.  That puts a load on some intels
20:10:44 <MageiaTJ> Jim Beard has seen it with Gnome.
20:11:15 <bri_an> I ran into it with gnome under high io.
20:11:22 <bri_an> with amd
20:11:38 <wilcal> so the system has to be really really busy?
20:11:50 <hviaene> I could run this machine on Xfce, if that would make a dfiiference???
20:12:05 <wilcal> I do network backups and didn't see it
20:12:07 <MageiaTJ> I just looked at Usenet, and Bill Unruh posted that he's seen it, too.
20:12:15 <bri_an> that's when mine hung up or running - chromium it would sometimes freeze
20:12:20 <bri_an> older version
20:12:35 <wilcal> Does the entire system hang or just the user?
20:12:51 <bri_an> I was able to get to command prompt - alt f2
20:12:55 <wilcal> ctrl-alt-backspace gets you out
20:13:04 <bri_an> and force reboot
20:13:30 <bri_an> again this was way before 5.4.x
20:14:52 <wilcal> So high IO over the LAN or WAN?
20:14:57 <wilcal> or both
20:14:59 <bri_an> disk
20:15:09 <bri_an> my solution was ssd versus spinning rust
20:15:19 <wilcal> copy a big file
20:15:37 <david_david> hi
20:15:39 <bri_an> yup - like back up a VM
20:15:45 <wilcal> Hi david
20:15:50 <MageiaTJ> bug 25930
20:15:52 <[mbot> Bug: ['Graphic driver i915 crashed', 'REOPENED', 'Kernel and Drivers maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25930
20:16:49 <MageiaTJ> bri_an: Hmmm. All my i915 machines have ssds now.
20:17:51 <bri_an> I also think DE may have some influence
20:18:26 <bri_an> I'm running a 5400RPM on this session with plasma - no issues.
20:18:26 <wilcal> So there's an official bug.
20:19:08 <wilcal> Which DE do you think is most susceptable
20:19:46 <bri_an> gnome
20:20:09 <MageiaTJ> wilcal: Yes. And the bug's been around for a while. Closed and reopened.
20:21:00 <MageiaTJ> Hard to squash because it only seems to affect some hardware.
20:21:26 <wilcal> I rareky use Gnome but my i586 Vbox text clients is Gnome
20:21:52 <wilcal> fast hardware or slow hardware
20:22:26 <MageiaTJ> Nobody's really said.
20:22:37 <bri_an> I'd like Claire's input on the hardware.
20:22:54 <MageiaTJ> Few have listed the exact hardware that's affected in each case.
20:22:54 <bri_an> who knows it could be gen 10 for all we know
20:23:55 <wilcal> Looks like lots of good people working the issue
20:24:20 <wilcal> So this will be a re-visit next week
20:25:10 <wilcal> ANything else on this
20:25:35 <hviaene> Not from me
20:25:42 <wilcal> lets move on
20:25:44 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
20:25:56 <wilcal> Shorter list thanks to all
20:26:10 <bri_an> I guess I'll go back after xen this weekend.
20:26:20 <wilcal> Anything in there needs discussion
20:26:35 <bri_an> probably user error, but I can't get virt-manager to work.  So will try manual
20:26:58 <bri_an> anybody here a xen and the art of m expert?
20:27:26 <bri_an> david?
20:28:07 <bri_an> <am I still connected>
20:28:25 <MageiaTJ> Yes, Bri_an.
20:28:59 <MageiaTJ> I didn't answer because I don't qualify.
20:29:10 <wilcal> ANything else on the list of updates
20:30:03 <wilcal> NOthing so lets move on
20:30:06 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
20:30:23 <bri_an> nothing here
20:30:29 <bri_an> I'll finish Chromium today
20:30:38 <wilcal> I'm week to week. And will do as best I can
20:31:05 <hviaene> wilcal: meaning??
20:31:22 <MageiaTJ> wilcal: That's all any of us can do.
20:31:28 <wilcal> I am being treated for vision problems
20:31:57 <wilcal> But, Ta Ta I can be moderator today
20:32:16 <hviaene> yes, but is "week to week" some idiom??
20:33:07 <wilcal> I see the Dr every Wed and she determiines if I go in for more surger the following  Monday
20:33:20 <MageiaTJ> I'd say it sounds better than "day to day."
20:33:31 <hviaene> OK, good luck then.
20:33:35 <wilcal> Last surgery went well but will it hold?
20:34:07 <wilcal> FOr the curious I had a "stint" put in my right eye
20:34:07 <bri_an> my thoughts are with you friend
20:34:16 <wilcal> thanks all
20:34:33 <wilcal> Ok count down time
20:34:40 <wilcal> thanks all for being here
20:34:56 <wilcal> See you next Thursday
20:35:00 <wilcal> T-5
20:35:01 <hviaene> CU all
20:35:21 <wilcal> T-4
20:35:26 <wilcal> T-3
20:35:34 <wilcal> T-2
20:35:39 <MageiaTJ> Thanks, wilcal.
20:35:45 <wilcal> T-1
20:35:52 <wilcal> #endmeeting