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20:04:22 <wilcal> Hello all to another QA meeting
20:04:43 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:04:50 <wilcal> ANyone new here today
20:05:33 <wilcal> Then lets move on to really the only issue
20:05:34 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates
20:05:44 <wilcal> So the list is shorter
20:05:52 <wilcal> There's a kernel update in there
20:06:09 <wilcal> anything of note in there that need discussion
20:06:24 <wilcal> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates
20:06:27 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
20:06:51 <joselp> Also an update of lutris and wireshark
20:07:14 <joselp> Excuse me a moment, I have to go out
20:07:19 <wilcal> K
20:07:52 <wilcal> For the record a bug in the list that's grey'd out is in suspension for some reason
20:08:27 <bri_an> sometimes it can still be tested though correct.  Sometimes it is jsut a question to be answered
20:09:18 <wilcal> Hi tar
20:09:33 <wilcal> We'er disccussing updates
20:09:34 <tarazed> evening Bill
20:09:53 <wilcal> anything on the list that you see needs disussing
20:10:01 <hviaene> The update on lutris is thru I guess, and a new wireshark?
20:10:39 <tarazed> One or two things have had to go back to the makers but most things look straight-forward,
20:11:11 <tarazed> Bill, that's your baby!
20:11:28 <wilcal> We've been pretty lucky on updates. It's been a long time since we've borked the install with an update
20:11:37 <wilcal> Hi MagT
20:11:57 <MageiaTJ> You HAD to say that, eh wilcal?
20:12:19 <MageiaTJ> About the updates, I mean.
20:12:24 <wilcal> FWIW I've always promoted, but not adopted, a policy of no updates on weekends Fri/Sat/Sun
20:12:36 <MageiaTJ> Sorry I'm late. Lost track of time.
20:12:51 <wilcal> No prob
20:13:19 <hviaene> Isn't there a fine on being late???
20:13:46 <wilcal> Some years ago Ubuntu did an update late in the week that took every system down that was updated and didn't get it fixed until early the next week
20:14:32 <tarazed> We are not going to do that though are we?
20:15:03 <tarazed> cfossed fingers
20:15:08 <MageiaTJ> Well, Ubuntu pays folks. We don't. IMO, we're more likely to get a response on the weekend when people aren't at work.
20:15:22 <hviaene> No, we are much smarterloud
20:15:49 <wilcal> Anyway updates have been doing well
20:16:15 <joselp> It went very well, I'd say.
20:16:23 <tarazed> Yes, good work everybody
20:16:27 <wilcal> Caution on the flightgear bug. It's addicting
20:16:36 <MageiaTJ> TMB has our backs...
20:16:53 <wilcal> So anything on any of the updates?
20:16:56 <MageiaTJ> wilcal: I was just looking at that.
20:17:09 <hviaene> The tigervnc seems to put up some resistance
20:17:33 <MageiaTJ> I can't install it on the system I want to - not enough room in /.
20:17:58 <joselp> Firefox 68.4.1 still has warnings
20:18:38 <MageiaTJ> Warnings?
20:18:43 <tarazed> Wondering about rust after David's remark.  Should it go through?
20:18:43 <wilcal> We are still biased towards if it passes 64-bit then it can be pushed unless there are special circumstances
20:18:57 <joselp> Advisories
20:20:05 <joselp> Sorry about my English, it's not very good
20:20:32 <wilcal> Your english is great
20:20:37 <tarazed> It is good enough joseph
20:20:47 <MageiaTJ> I understood. Advisories about what, exactly?
20:21:20 <joselp> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26047
20:21:22 <[mbot> [ 26047 – Thunderbird 68.4.1 ]
20:21:39 <tarazed> s/joseph/jose/
20:21:52 <joselp> ?
20:22:55 <tarazed> substitution
20:24:58 <wilcal> From the time we see the advisory pubished on the qa mailing list to the time it starts purculating on the repo is about how long?
20:26:37 <MageiaTJ> The profile bug hit my brother's Thunderbird update, but symptoms were different. I fixed it by switching to a backup .thunderbird folder.
20:27:49 <tarazed> Really.  I think I tried that and the profile had to be replaced again.
20:28:11 <wilcal> Anything else on updates?
20:28:24 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry I'm late
20:28:41 <wilcal> David hello
20:28:48 <wilcal> I'm gonna put you in charge
20:28:58 <wilcal> hold a sect we're talkig\ng updates
20:29:16 <wilcal> #chair DavidWHodgins
20:29:16 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins wilcal
20:29:16 <MageiaTJ> This time it would look like Tbird launched, but then nothing. Try again, and it says Tbird is running, but top doesn't see it.
20:29:45 <joselp> By the way, I tried to install Mageia Cauldron in Virtualbox today and it gave me an error when adding the repos. I don't know if it happened to anyone else
20:30:31 <MageiaTJ> Launch with the  -p option, and there is but one profile. Use that, and it goes off into space again.
20:30:32 <DavidWHodgins> Just launched thunderbird here (in a konsole). Working ok here
20:30:37 <tarazed> joselp: yes, that is what happened when I tried to update and also for a net installation.
20:31:16 <MageiaTJ> Tbird working OK for my brother too, after I replaced .thunderbird with an old backup.
20:31:33 <joselp> Can there be a bug in the netinstall iso?
20:31:56 <DavidWHodgins> I was not hit by the profile bug, so no action required here.
20:32:05 <tarazed> Unlikely. and as said, updates were affected in the same way.
20:32:12 <MageiaTJ> joselp: that's not uncommon with Cauldron. The repos are a moving target at this stage.
20:32:19 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: This is after first updating from Mageia 6 to 7?
20:33:03 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Cauldron has not reached version freeze yet. It should not be used except by packagers testing their own stuff.
20:33:16 <hviaene> Never seen the Tbird issue here either, I use it all the time
20:33:23 <MageiaTJ> Tbird working OK here too, or I would have raised the issue before it was validated.
20:33:25 <tarazed> That's what I figured.  let it lay.
20:34:10 <tarazed> About cauldron that is
20:34:20 <joselp> I wanted to install it to test and see how the development of Mageia 8 goes. The installation in virtualbox.
20:35:09 <DavidWHodgins> Doesn't hurt to test it and ensure packagers are aware of any problems found, just don't expect it to be stable yet.
20:35:27 <DavidWHodgins> Use it at your own risk. :-)
20:35:33 <MageiaTJ> joseph: I don't even look at Cauldron until the developers send us some isos to test. That would be before the alpha (or maybe beta) version is sent to the public.
20:36:21 <tarazed> And I was curious about the latest ruby
20:36:52 <wilcal> M8 repo has been pretty active. I see lots of updates every day
20:37:06 <wilcal> there is a netinstall in there if you want to play with it
20:37:30 <tarazed> That is where the trouble starts
20:37:50 <joselp> Yes, but I can't install with netinstall because it gives me errors when adding the repos during the installation
20:37:59 <DavidWHodgins> With changes coming in core packages such as rpm setup, expect it to be unstable for now
20:38:36 <Benmc> check with mageia mirrors whish are active mirrors, then manually choose the best mirror
20:38:51 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: That's likely due to the repos being in the middle of being updated. Happens a lot with cauldron.
20:39:04 <DavidWHodgins> Check https://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/
20:39:05 <[mbot> [ Build system status ]
20:39:36 <DavidWHodgins> Make sure it's been quiet for at least an hour before trying to add a mirror
20:39:44 <Benmc> you can use a mga7 net install iso as well
20:39:49 <wilcal> There were tons of changes in there just in the last couple days
20:40:26 <DavidWHodgins> 10 hours ago shows a change in drakx-installer-images
20:40:38 <DavidWHodgins> That would impact net installs
20:40:44 <joselp> I have a Mageia 7.1 installation in Virtualbox for testing with the testing repos activated to see what will happen
20:41:03 <DavidWHodgins> Anyway, back on topic. Any other questions or comments on updates?
20:41:11 <MageiaTJ> joselp: If the system can boot, try adding the repos later. And with Cauldron, do use a specific mirror, rather than MIRRORLIST.
20:41:29 <hviaene> Someone havve a go at tigervnc and mutt???
20:41:50 <joselp> Okay, okay, like David says, let's get back to the subject
20:42:02 <wilcal> Anything else on updates?
20:42:13 <wilcal> Otherwise we move to anything else
20:42:23 <hviaene> My question
20:42:32 <DavidWHodgins> I'll give tigervnc a go. For testing it, I have it setup for use between my host and a vb guest
20:42:50 <DavidWHodgins> Weird way to use it, but it works.
20:43:18 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else on updates here
20:43:19 <hviaene> I 'll keep an eye on your feedback.
20:43:30 <joselp> I don't use it, I haven't tried it
20:44:13 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:44:31 <hviaene> Not from me
20:44:43 <tarazed> Nothing here
20:44:56 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like countdown time then.
20:45:04 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5
20:45:06 <DavidWHodgins> 4
20:45:06 <hviaene> G'night
20:45:08 <DavidWHodgins> 3
20:45:11 <DavidWHodgins> 2
20:45:13 <DavidWHodgins> 1
20:45:14 <tarazed> Bye all
20:45:19 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone
20:45:24 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting