20:02:38 <wilcal> #startmeeting
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20:02:59 <wilcal> And that brings us to
20:03:00 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:03:06 <wilcal> Welcome Jose
20:03:12 <wilcal> introduce yourself
20:03:14 <joselp> New in Qa team
20:03:30 <joselp> I use Mageia from version
20:03:32 <joselp> 1
20:03:53 <joselp> Before, Mandriva
20:04:05 <DavidWHodgins> Where are you located?
20:04:15 <joselp> In Toledo, Spain
20:04:31 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins, from London, Ontario, Canada
20:04:32 <wilcal> Dave you got the chair
20:04:34 <wilcal> #chair DavidWHodgins
20:04:34 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins wilcal
20:04:40 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks wilcal
20:05:31 <DavidWHodgins> Like you, I was using Mandrake/Mandriva before switching to Mageia when it started.
20:06:07 <joselp> Yes,
20:06:30 <wilcal> I was using Mandrake in I think around 98
20:06:48 <wilcal> Bought the shrink wrap box in a computer store
20:07:00 <MageiaTJ> Welcome, joselp. I'm known around here as TJ. I'm a farmer from near Syracuse, New York. That's Central New York State, USA.
20:07:14 <Benmc> Still from Pirongia,NZ, also a former Mandrake / Mandriva and now Mageia user. I am a self employed electronics servicer
20:07:34 <joselp> Thanks Mageia%
20:07:38 <joselp> MageiaT
20:08:02 <hviaene> Herman Viaene, also since Mandrake, in ANtwerpen Belgium
20:08:24 <MageiaTJ> Mandrake 8.2 was my first Linux distro, back in 2002 I've been with Mageia since the beginning, also imported from Mandriva.
20:08:36 <tarazed> Len from Edinburgh/Scotland.  <= 81.  Mandrake 1993 originally.
20:08:46 <joselp> I start with Mandriva 2008
20:09:20 <joselp> I try to collaborate whenever I can to improve this great distro.
20:09:28 <MageiaTJ> Let me amend that. I've been using Mageia since the beginning. I joined QA with Mageia 4.
20:09:35 <tarazed> Yes, we do need help
20:09:37 <DavidWHodgins> Before switching to Mandrake 9, I used asplinux, then slackware, then gentoo
20:09:39 <hviaene> Len: rrrrreal scotsman ???
20:09:55 <bri_an> Brian - I've distro shopped over the years and landed in Mageia as of V3 I think
20:10:02 <tarazed> No - anglo-Irish
20:10:18 <bri_an> Linux since 2006 - U.S. fly-over state (near St. Louis)
20:11:04 <hviaene> My first as Mandrake 6.5, not an verwhelming succes
20:11:21 <hviaene> overwhelming
20:11:37 <tarazed> Mine was version 7, possibly 1994
20:11:53 <DavidWHodgins> I was deputy leader of the qa team after the first Mageia team elections, been team leader 2017
20:11:59 <tarazed> I was hooked, it was more adventurous than RedHat
20:12:11 <wilcal> I was working on a Sun Slowaris platform and we gave up on that and went to Mandrake on an Intel PC
20:12:25 <hviaene> Really started with Mandrake 8.1
20:12:52 <tarazed> Yes we had Solaris but only Windows on PCs - soo sloww!
20:12:57 <MageiaTJ> I tried Fedora once - didn't care for it.
20:13:24 <bri_an> Oh I did unix on coherent, hp, aix prior to my adventure into Linux
20:13:44 <Benmc> for me , Mandrake about 1997-8.  it would install, whereas redhat would not.
20:14:05 <bri_an> mandriva one
20:14:11 <joselp> I've tried several over the years, but none of them fit me like Mageia...
20:14:27 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: A couple of important links https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Team_portal and https://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates
20:14:29 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
20:14:59 <Benmc> joselp: yep, thats true
20:15:35 <DavidWHodgins> There is quite a bit of info linked to from the portal. Some of it may be out of date, I haven't reviewed it in a long time.
20:15:50 <joselp> I enter Madb.mageia and bugs.mageia almost daily
20:16:12 <DavidWHodgins> Good, that will help
20:16:49 <DavidWHodgins> Anyway, glad to see a new face joining the qa team.
20:16:57 <DavidWHodgins> Moving on ...
20:16:58 <joselp> I'm also on the translation team. I'm working on the Spanish wiki translation.
20:17:03 <wilcal> Any help is great help
20:17:05 <DavidWHodgins> #topic testing updates
20:17:41 <DavidWHodgins> I validated the firefox update a little while ago, so that's ready to push.
20:17:56 <joselp> Ouu yeaa
20:18:06 <MageiaTJ> Wow. Look at all those OKs, just since yesterday. Good work, guys!
20:18:12 <wilcal> Shorter list more bugs then security
20:18:14 <tarazed> It is time kodi was put out to grass.  I am not competent to test the PVR function - needs an expert
20:18:31 <wilcal> That kodi thing is hardware speciific
20:18:31 <hviaene> Not me
20:18:46 <DavidWHodgins> I'll work on the advisories after the meeting, and will validate the ones with the OKs.
20:18:58 <wilcal> And it involves a TV tuner
20:19:06 <joselp> I have a problem with Mageia-Prime in my personal computer. I report the bug but no it does not progress
20:19:34 <tarazed> So it cannot be used with streaming TV (internet)?
20:19:40 <MageiaTJ> Thanks, Dave. I won't do the validations this time, then.
20:20:11 <DavidWHodgins> If we don't have the hardware, we can only test that the update installs cleanly over the prior version, and the parts that don't need that hardware still work.
20:20:24 <joselp> I used kodi, but in my computer, not in tv
20:20:50 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: It can be used with a tv card in the computer, if you have one.
20:21:15 <wilcal> I use kodi in a Raspberry Pi
20:21:15 <joselp> There is a proposed correction in github but I don't know how to apply or test it.
20:21:25 <DavidWHodgins> I'll email bittwister. I know he uses kodi with several tv cards.
20:21:34 <tarazed> joselp: that is what we are talking about.  Some sort of backend software is needed for the TV tuner.
20:21:53 <wilcal> It sees my NFS shares on my Mageia server
20:22:04 <wilcal> can't ask for better then that
20:22:17 <tarazed> Yes, other functions work fine.
20:22:37 <MageiaTJ> joselp: I see Mageia Prime involves nvidia. Nvidia can be troublesome these days. Not like it used to be.
20:23:38 <DavidWHodgins> I have no experience with nvidia. My understanding is that prime is for use with hybrid systems that have both Nvidia and Intel Gpus
20:24:25 <joselp> MageiaT: Mageia-Prime works fine in Mageia 6, because the driver because the driver was version 390, but mageia-prime in Mageia 7 install driver 430 that don't the correct driver for my graphic card
20:24:28 <DavidWHodgins> If you have just Nvidia, it's still fairly straight forward
20:24:58 <wilcal> I have an 8-year old nvidia system but it is no longer my prime system
20:25:22 <Benmc> I have recently got a dual graphics laptop - ASUS u31f, so I could have a look- the all important time allowing
20:25:25 <joselp> My computer have Prime graphics
20:26:13 <hviaene> This laptop has the Intel-Radeon combination, never got the radeon to work
20:26:29 <joselp> The problem is my graphic card, have the chipset Fermi that only works with 390 version...
20:26:41 <Benmc> uses nvidia340, updated today and now the nvidia works as well as the intel
20:27:39 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: Have you tried blacklisting the 430 modules, to force it to use the 390 ones?
20:28:49 <joselp> Well, how do I do it?
20:29:47 <Benmc> sorry guys, got to go. holiday hours this week: 10 to 3.
20:30:05 <DavidWHodgins> Benmc: Thanks for being here.
20:30:09 <joselp> And when you upgrade to another version? Will I have the same problem? Will we have to put them back on the blacklist?
20:30:31 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: See https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?t=12303
20:30:32 <[mbot> [ Mageia forum • View topic - [SOLVED] How blacklist i915? ]
20:31:04 <DavidWHodgins> That's for a different kernel module, but demonstrates how to do it.
20:32:13 <joselp> I'll try it out and comment.
20:32:16 <DavidWHodgins> Another example, bug 8773
20:32:18 <[mbot> Bug: ['nouveau loaded instead of nvidia (was nvidia 304 driver fails to load on kernel 3.8.0-0.rc4.1)', 'RESOLVED', 'Mageia Bug Squad'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8773
20:33:10 <MageiaTJ> If that doesn't work for you, don't hesitate to start a new thread in the forum - that's what it is there for!
20:33:44 <DavidWHodgins> Or in the discuss mailing list
20:34:31 <DavidWHodgins> Any questions or comments about the other updates waiting for testing?
20:34:42 <joselp> Ok, Although it would be best if mageia-prime installed the correct driver, as discussed in the bug.
20:34:42 <wilcal> Not from me
20:34:57 <hviaene> I'll do the pcsc-lite tomorrow
20:35:30 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: Understood. The thing is to get your system working first to ensure the fix is correct, and then get the fix implemented.
20:35:36 <joselp> How is Darktable 3.0 going?
20:37:02 <MageiaTJ> That one was just backported to Mageia 7 - I tested it.
20:37:13 <DavidWHodgins> It isn't in the list of updates assigned to the qa team. Is there an open bug report for it?
20:38:14 <hviaene> Tigervnc test is also inconclusive
20:38:40 <MageiaTJ> It must be in one of the backport repositories by now. Darktable 3.0, I mean.
20:38:41 <DavidWHodgins> Found it. Update was pushed. bug 25993
20:38:43 <[mbot> Bug: ['Update candidate: darktable 2.6.3', 'RESOLVED', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25993
20:38:52 <DavidWHodgins> That was bug 25994
20:38:54 <[mbot> Bug: ['Backport candidate: darktable 3.0.0', 'RESOLVED', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25994
20:39:13 <joselp> I was looking for it.
20:39:41 <joselp> Don't you think you can upload to core updates?
20:39:48 <tarazed> A couple of those bugs have installation failure issues.
20:39:49 <MageiaTJ> Nice utility. If I were still into photo editing, I'd probably use it.
20:40:06 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: The backports repo is normally not enabled, so you will have to temporarily enable it. Don't install all of the backports, just pick and choose, then disable the repo after installing the backport
20:40:49 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: No. See https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Updates_policy
20:42:01 <joselp> I know it's in the backports repositories, but I think it would be good for the users and for Mageia's image to be updated in core updates.
20:42:03 <DavidWHodgins> I'll try the test the xen update later today. I've tested it before, but it's been a long time.
20:42:22 <hviaene> Annd I didn't get anywhere with lutrris
20:42:42 <joselp> Lutris is in version 0.5.4 in testing repos
20:42:43 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: Understood, but as per the updates policy, we aim for stability. We don't update to a new version if the old version is still supported.
20:42:48 <tarazed> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26017 needs packager attention
20:42:51 <[mbot> [ 26017 – 'script' failed for rstudio ]
20:43:10 <joselp> DAvidWhodgins: ok
20:43:33 <joselp> It's just an idea.
20:44:06 <joselp> needs packager attention
20:44:14 <MageiaTJ> drakconf, regarding languages and ISOdumper - French was fixed, but I think it needs to be fixed for all the languages we can.
20:44:46 <DavidWHodgins> understood. Mageia is not a rolling release, because we want to ensure stability for user's who are new to linux or not very technically oriented.
20:44:49 <MageiaTJ> bug 25783
20:44:51 <[mbot> Bug: ['drakconf: Description for Isodumper (in MCC) is in English regardless of the system language', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25783
20:46:35 <DavidWHodgins> I don't know enough about packaging for multiple languages, so don't see what's been done wrong. It appears to have all of the correct isodumper.mo files, so something else is wrong
20:47:31 <MageiaTJ> Not my area of expertise, either.
20:47:43 <joselp> DavidWHodgins: Yes, I understand, and that's one of the reasons I use Mageia. But I think if the new version is stable it should be in Mageia.
20:47:52 <joselp> But I think if the new version is stable it should be in Mageia. A clear example of this was the change in firefox 52 ESR, we suffered from users being left without support and with access failures to several websites
20:47:59 <joselp> I saw this with family and friends who forwarded the complaints to me. And version 52 was supported, but for some sites it was too old
20:49:05 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: I understand the viewpoint, but that's not what the Mageia council has decided
20:49:17 <joselp> I wish I could help you pack, but my knowledge is still not enough...
20:49:27 <MageiaTJ> joselp: I believe Darktable will be 3.0, in Mageia 8.
20:51:02 <joselp> Anyway I installed it from backports and it works fine in Mageia 7, if someone asks me I'll tell him how to install it. Version 2.6 works fine too.
20:51:42 <wilcal> David are we really in Anything Else?
20:51:47 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, caudron, which will become Mageia 8, normally has the latest version available up until version freeze.
20:51:48 <joselp> Last time I tried the Mageia 8 installation in virtualbox it didn't work. I have to try again, but my disk can't hold 250 Gb ssd anymore
20:52:01 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:52:04 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:52:10 <wilcal> :-))
20:52:21 <wilcal> I have a request of David
20:52:25 <wilcal> or someone
20:52:36 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry for being absent so much. Been having trouble with my eyesight again.
20:52:51 <wilcal> You and me both
20:53:11 <MageiaTJ> Good to have the both of you here today.
20:53:12 <wilcal> I'm learning to see again
20:53:54 <DavidWHodgins> I can read the screen, but my eyes get very sore, fairly quickly.
20:54:04 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: What's the request?
20:54:22 <hviaene> I would never expect someone has to learn again!!!
20:54:38 <wilcal> I need to create a wiki for my steps to connect mageia to AWS
20:54:45 <hviaene> Man is strangely complicated
20:55:09 <joselp> DavidWhodgins: Do you have a dark theme?
20:55:12 <wilcal> So I need to send the steps to someone to get it started. I can edit it after the structure is correct
20:55:32 <wilcal> I don't want to screw it up from the get go
20:55:37 <DavidWHodgins> joselp: Yes, and I use redshift to help keep the screen dim, especially at night.
20:56:11 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Do you mean create a new wiki page on mageia.org, or a private wiki on your system?
20:56:26 <wilcal> a new public wiki page
20:56:46 <joselp> Oddly enough, I need to have a high glow even if I have a dark theme. With the low brightness my eyes literally cry
20:56:48 <MageiaTJ> wilcal: I'd help if I could, but I think you probably know more about it than I do. ;)
20:56:53 <wilcal> Best I send to you the steps needed to connect Mageia to AWS and you can put it where it's best to be
20:57:33 <wilcal> It's actually quite simple to do it just took me a couple months of pain to figure it out
20:57:33 <DavidWHodgins> Make sure you're logged in on the wiki. See https://wiki.mageia.org/How_to_write_a_wiki_page
20:58:03 <hviaene> Suggestion: let it be reviewed by a non-native english speaker
20:58:11 <wilcal> That I can do i'm just not confident I can start a brand new wiki with the right structure and the right location
20:59:05 <DavidWHodgins> I select a page structured similar to what I want, use the view source option, then copy/paste to a new page and edit as desired.
20:59:38 <wilcal> you got an e-mail addy i can send you the steps. It's about 10-steps
20:59:45 <DavidWHodgins> If you're logged into the wiki, every page will show an option called Edit
21:00:05 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Sure. davidwhodgins@gmail.com
21:00:12 <wilcal> Yup done that in the past just have'nt created a new wiki
21:00:20 <DavidWHodgins> When you select the Edit option, it shows you the source
21:00:42 <wilcal> Many many thanks
21:01:00 <wilcal> coaching is appreciated
21:01:43 <wilcal> Anything else folks
21:01:57 <hviaene> Not here
21:02:03 <wilcal> I'm done
21:02:12 <DavidWHodgins> Just go to https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mypage
21:02:13 <MageiaTJ> I'm good.
21:02:25 <joselp> I don't think so
21:02:34 <hviaene> G'night all
21:02:35 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone. I'll post the links to the logs to the ml
21:02:47 <DavidWHodgins> Countdown time.
21:02:51 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5
21:02:53 <DavidWHodgins> 4
21:02:54 <DavidWHodgins> 3
21:02:55 <wilcal> bye all
21:02:56 <DavidWHodgins> 2
21:02:58 <DavidWHodgins> 1
21:03:00 <tarazed> Good evening everybody
21:03:02 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting