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20:03:12 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:03:17 <wilcal> anyone new here today
20:03:57 <wilcal> Nobody raises their hand
20:04:00 <wilcal> Move on
20:04:02 <wilcal> #topic M6 -> M7 on going upgrade issues
20:04:16 <wilcal> This is a never ending issue that keeps finding new issues
20:04:27 <wilcal> I'm not sure it'll ever settle out
20:04:54 <hviaene> Mine worked finally today
20:05:15 <MageiaTJ> Last two I did worked fine. But I've run out of real hardware with M6 installs.
20:05:40 <wilcal> Hi TJ
20:06:07 <wilcal> So we'll probably continue to see work on this till we see M8 isos
20:06:55 <wilcal> IMO We should spend a lot of time on it.
20:07:07 <wilcal> So on to the important issue and that it
20:07:09 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates
20:07:21 <wilcal> This list is long and keeps getting longer
20:07:23 <bri_an> quite a flood of items out there
20:07:35 <wilcal> Only thing I can say is to do as best you can
20:07:45 <MageiaTJ> Every time we get one validated three more take its place.
20:08:03 <wilcal> If it passes 64-bit likely it can be pushed
20:08:38 <wilcal> Sorry my mind and energy got side tracked on another issue which I'll talk about in anything else
20:09:23 <MageiaTJ> Ran into a problem with the new kernel and old Radeon gpus.
20:09:35 <hviaene> There a quite a few I could nnot completebecause ofissues
20:09:57 <wilcal> just do best you can
20:09:59 <bri_an> yes - ran into the same on one
20:10:07 <MageiaTJ> Most are way over MY head.
20:10:14 <wilcal> it is the holiday season so things slow down
20:10:17 <bri_an> definitely - but on some we need a response from developers
20:10:32 <bri_an> err packagers
20:10:47 <wilcal> Just try to intall and/or update without error and that should be fine for many we don't understand
20:11:17 <MageiaTJ> Yes, I know we've done that before.
20:11:28 <wilcal> Thank's TJ
20:12:12 <wilcal> Not much we can do other then do as best we can
20:12:15 <wilcal> Lets move on
20:12:17 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
20:12:50 <wilcal> So I tried to get a schedule for M8 but the Council list is dormant right now
20:13:12 <wilcal> But I see the M8 repo is extremely active so lots of work is being done
20:14:29 <wilcal> So maybe after the 1st of the year we'll get some better info on all that
20:14:33 <bri_an> ok
20:14:49 <wilcal> It's nice to not have to deal with a past release.So M7 is our focus
20:15:04 <MageiaTJ> I pulled my last nvidia video card out yesterday, and replaced it with a AMD Radeon card.
20:15:20 <wilcal> I'm pretty done with Nvidia
20:15:22 <wilcal> also
20:15:32 <hviaene> Will M8  drop 32-bit??
20:15:36 <bri_an> I've still got the 730 GT, was actually looking at trying to tweak nouveau, but not much success there
20:15:49 <wilcal> I bet not hvi
20:16:07 <wilcal> Oh one item
20:16:14 <MageiaTJ> The 340 driver will be eol the end of the year, and I believe AMD cards have better Linux support.
20:16:27 <hviaene> I'm still hunting for a replacement for 32-bit
20:16:40 <wilcal> By concensus support for Adobe flash will end when Adobe ends it and that will be 31 Dec 2020
20:16:58 <bri_an> sounds reasonable
20:17:07 <wilcal> And then that will be the end of Mageias support for it
20:17:23 <wilcal> Good ridance
20:17:40 <wilcal> hi pap
20:17:45 <MageiaTJ> hviaene: I don't think so. There's been no chatter on the Council ML on that subject.
20:18:10 <wilcal> About a month ago I launched into a project here to connect Mageia to AWS
20:18:36 <wilcal> There is no offical notes on doing that and lots of things didn't work
20:18:37 <MageiaTJ> Actually, there's been precious little chatter on the Council ML on ANY subject.
20:19:01 <wilcal> That feature is already built into the big Distros
20:19:39 <wilcal> You can mount your AWS "buckets" use them for backup and create websites
20:19:49 <bri_an> anything that could be imported from upstream easily?
20:20:26 <wilcal> Let me introduce you to this:
20:20:31 <wilcal> https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/dev/setup-aws-cli.html
20:21:08 <tmb> we already have aws tools in the distro, but someone needs to write up any Mga specific issues on wiki
20:21:17 <wilcal> This is a command line function that gets installed using Python3 and Python3-pip
20:21:57 <wilcal> I opened a bug
20:21:59 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25849
20:22:13 <tmb> urpmq -i aws-cli
20:22:41 <tmb> and urpmq -y aws will show a lot of bits
20:22:44 <MageiaTJ> Sounds to me like wilcal is well on his way to becoming the expert needed to write that wiki page. ;-)
20:22:57 <wilcal> I got some great help and was able to successfully, and repeatedly, install the AWS CLI function on both real hardware and Vbox clients
20:23:45 <wilcal> I am already backing up data, using the AWS CLI, from my server here to my AWS backup bucket
20:23:57 <wilcal> and restoring the data from the same bucket to a different computer
20:24:12 <wilcal> The steps to install are in 25849
20:24:35 <bri_an> nie
20:24:37 <bri_an> nice
20:25:05 <wilcal> I'm confident enough to post it to the user forums and write a How To
20:25:33 <wilcal> Learning how to use AWS takes some persistance but well worth it
20:26:40 <wilcal> One thing to be VERY careful of. Step slowly and easily. My monthly bill from AWS is pennies. As in 25 cents. But one stroke on the keyboard and that cost can skyrocket
20:27:03 <bri_an> yes - did that to myself on google-cloud
20:27:17 <wilcal> 50% plus of the Internet is now in The Cloud
20:27:25 <wilcal> and AWS owns 90% of the cloud
20:27:36 <bri_an> went from base services to API usage - boom!
20:27:42 <wilcal> Yup
20:28:15 <wilcal> I've met some great AWS people at Trade Shows here in Vegas and they are REALLY agressive
20:28:39 <tmb> wilcal, dont trust marketing about aws owning cloud... its mostly 90% bs and 10% fact...
20:28:47 <bri_an> it is fun, but careful, don't get caught exposing data.  It is easy to do if you aren't paying attention.
20:28:59 <tmb> the same goes for every cloud vendor...
20:29:02 <wilcal> If tmb is still here I would ask why we do not transition to a cloud service
20:29:06 <bri_an> yup
20:29:34 <tmb> wilcal, transition what ? to where ?
20:29:49 <wilcal> AWS is in Europe
20:29:50 <MageiaTJ> As long as they don't rename it "Skynet" we'll be OK.
20:30:08 <wilcal> AWS wants to be Skynet I assure you
20:30:08 <tmb> wilcal, so is google, azure, ...
20:30:38 <wilcal> So anyway thanks to all, and tmb, for the tips on how to get this going
20:30:57 <wilcal> seems to work quite nicely
20:31:01 <bri_an> wilcal - do publish those steps in a forum though.  That will be useful to folks
20:31:21 <wilcal> you can build script files to run your AWS CLI tasks
20:31:23 <tmb> wiki, please, not forum
20:31:41 <wilcal> Got it
20:32:06 <wilcal> Anything else
20:32:35 <hviaene> None here
20:32:57 <wilcal> I'm gonna have to ask on the QA ML how to build a wiki from scratch :-)
20:33:05 <wilcal> I'm done
20:33:30 <bri_an> have a good weekend everyone
20:33:53 <MageiaTJ> Nothing more here.
20:33:55 <wilcal> Thanks all for being here and do the best you can on the updates list
20:34:05 <wilcal> Countdown time
20:34:08 <wilcal> T-5
20:34:12 <hviaene> G'night all
20:34:25 <wilcal> T-4
20:34:30 <wilcal> T-3
20:34:37 <wilcal> T-2
20:34:40 <wilcal> T-1
20:34:43 <wilcal> #endmeeting