20:02:55 <wilcal> #startmeeting 20:02:55 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu Dec 12 20:02:55 2019 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:02:55 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:03:12 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 20:03:17 <wilcal> anyone new here today 20:03:57 <wilcal> Nobody raises their hand 20:04:00 <wilcal> Move on 20:04:02 <wilcal> #topic M6 -> M7 on going upgrade issues 20:04:16 <wilcal> This is a never ending issue that keeps finding new issues 20:04:27 <wilcal> I'm not sure it'll ever settle out 20:04:54 <hviaene> Mine worked finally today 20:05:15 <MageiaTJ> Last two I did worked fine. But I've run out of real hardware with M6 installs. 20:05:40 <wilcal> Hi TJ 20:06:07 <wilcal> So we'll probably continue to see work on this till we see M8 isos 20:06:55 <wilcal> IMO We should spend a lot of time on it. 20:07:07 <wilcal> So on to the important issue and that it 20:07:09 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates 20:07:21 <wilcal> This list is long and keeps getting longer 20:07:23 <bri_an> quite a flood of items out there 20:07:35 <wilcal> Only thing I can say is to do as best you can 20:07:45 <MageiaTJ> Every time we get one validated three more take its place. 20:08:03 <wilcal> If it passes 64-bit likely it can be pushed 20:08:38 <wilcal> Sorry my mind and energy got side tracked on another issue which I'll talk about in anything else 20:09:23 <MageiaTJ> Ran into a problem with the new kernel and old Radeon gpus. 20:09:35 <hviaene> There a quite a few I could nnot completebecause ofissues 20:09:57 <wilcal> just do best you can 20:09:59 <bri_an> yes - ran into the same on one 20:10:07 <MageiaTJ> Most are way over MY head. 20:10:14 <wilcal> it is the holiday season so things slow down 20:10:17 <bri_an> definitely - but on some we need a response from developers 20:10:32 <bri_an> err packagers 20:10:47 <wilcal> Just try to intall and/or update without error and that should be fine for many we don't understand 20:11:17 <MageiaTJ> Yes, I know we've done that before. 20:11:28 <wilcal> Thank's TJ 20:12:12 <wilcal> Not much we can do other then do as best we can 20:12:15 <wilcal> Lets move on 20:12:17 <wilcal> #topic Anything else? 20:12:50 <wilcal> So I tried to get a schedule for M8 but the Council list is dormant right now 20:13:12 <wilcal> But I see the M8 repo is extremely active so lots of work is being done 20:14:29 <wilcal> So maybe after the 1st of the year we'll get some better info on all that 20:14:33 <bri_an> ok 20:14:49 <wilcal> It's nice to not have to deal with a past release.So M7 is our focus 20:15:04 <MageiaTJ> I pulled my last nvidia video card out yesterday, and replaced it with a AMD Radeon card. 20:15:20 <wilcal> I'm pretty done with Nvidia 20:15:22 <wilcal> also 20:15:32 <hviaene> Will M8 drop 32-bit?? 20:15:36 <bri_an> I've still got the 730 GT, was actually looking at trying to tweak nouveau, but not much success there 20:15:49 <wilcal> I bet not hvi 20:16:07 <wilcal> Oh one item 20:16:14 <MageiaTJ> The 340 driver will be eol the end of the year, and I believe AMD cards have better Linux support. 20:16:27 <hviaene> I'm still hunting for a replacement for 32-bit 20:16:40 <wilcal> By concensus support for Adobe flash will end when Adobe ends it and that will be 31 Dec 2020 20:16:58 <bri_an> sounds reasonable 20:17:07 <wilcal> And then that will be the end of Mageias support for it 20:17:23 <wilcal> Good ridance 20:17:40 <wilcal> hi pap 20:17:45 <MageiaTJ> hviaene: I don't think so. There's been no chatter on the Council ML on that subject. 20:18:10 <wilcal> About a month ago I launched into a project here to connect Mageia to AWS 20:18:36 <wilcal> There is no offical notes on doing that and lots of things didn't work 20:18:37 <MageiaTJ> Actually, there's been precious little chatter on the Council ML on ANY subject. 20:19:01 <wilcal> That feature is already built into the big Distros 20:19:39 <wilcal> You can mount your AWS "buckets" use them for backup and create websites 20:19:49 <bri_an> anything that could be imported from upstream easily? 20:20:26 <wilcal> Let me introduce you to this: 20:20:31 <wilcal> https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/dev/setup-aws-cli.html 20:21:08 <tmb> we already have aws tools in the distro, but someone needs to write up any Mga specific issues on wiki 20:21:17 <wilcal> This is a command line function that gets installed using Python3 and Python3-pip 20:21:57 <wilcal> I opened a bug 20:21:59 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25849 20:22:13 <tmb> urpmq -i aws-cli 20:22:41 <tmb> and urpmq -y aws will show a lot of bits 20:22:44 <MageiaTJ> Sounds to me like wilcal is well on his way to becoming the expert needed to write that wiki page. ;-) 20:22:57 <wilcal> I got some great help and was able to successfully, and repeatedly, install the AWS CLI function on both real hardware and Vbox clients 20:23:45 <wilcal> I am already backing up data, using the AWS CLI, from my server here to my AWS backup bucket 20:23:57 <wilcal> and restoring the data from the same bucket to a different computer 20:24:12 <wilcal> The steps to install are in 25849 20:24:35 <bri_an> nie 20:24:37 <bri_an> nice 20:25:05 <wilcal> I'm confident enough to post it to the user forums and write a How To 20:25:33 <wilcal> Learning how to use AWS takes some persistance but well worth it 20:26:40 <wilcal> One thing to be VERY careful of. Step slowly and easily. My monthly bill from AWS is pennies. As in 25 cents. But one stroke on the keyboard and that cost can skyrocket 20:27:03 <bri_an> yes - did that to myself on google-cloud 20:27:17 <wilcal> 50% plus of the Internet is now in The Cloud 20:27:25 <wilcal> and AWS owns 90% of the cloud 20:27:36 <bri_an> went from base services to API usage - boom! 20:27:42 <wilcal> Yup 20:28:15 <wilcal> I've met some great AWS people at Trade Shows here in Vegas and they are REALLY agressive 20:28:39 <tmb> wilcal, dont trust marketing about aws owning cloud... its mostly 90% bs and 10% fact... 20:28:47 <bri_an> it is fun, but careful, don't get caught exposing data. It is easy to do if you aren't paying attention. 20:28:59 <tmb> the same goes for every cloud vendor... 20:29:02 <wilcal> If tmb is still here I would ask why we do not transition to a cloud service 20:29:06 <bri_an> yup 20:29:34 <tmb> wilcal, transition what ? to where ? 20:29:49 <wilcal> AWS is in Europe 20:29:50 <MageiaTJ> As long as they don't rename it "Skynet" we'll be OK. 20:30:08 <wilcal> AWS wants to be Skynet I assure you 20:30:08 <tmb> wilcal, so is google, azure, ... 20:30:38 <wilcal> So anyway thanks to all, and tmb, for the tips on how to get this going 20:30:57 <wilcal> seems to work quite nicely 20:31:01 <bri_an> wilcal - do publish those steps in a forum though. That will be useful to folks 20:31:21 <wilcal> you can build script files to run your AWS CLI tasks 20:31:23 <tmb> wiki, please, not forum 20:31:41 <wilcal> Got it 20:32:06 <wilcal> Anything else 20:32:35 <hviaene> None here 20:32:57 <wilcal> I'm gonna have to ask on the QA ML how to build a wiki from scratch :-) 20:33:05 <wilcal> I'm done 20:33:30 <bri_an> have a good weekend everyone 20:33:53 <MageiaTJ> Nothing more here. 20:33:55 <wilcal> Thanks all for being here and do the best you can on the updates list 20:34:05 <wilcal> Countdown time 20:34:08 <wilcal> T-5 20:34:12 <hviaene> G'night all 20:34:25 <wilcal> T-4 20:34:30 <wilcal> T-3 20:34:37 <wilcal> T-2 20:34:40 <wilcal> T-1 20:34:43 <wilcal> #endmeeting