20:01:34 <wilcal> #startmeeting 20:01:34 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Dec 5 20:01:34 2019 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:01:34 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:01:43 <wilcal> Welcome to another QA meeting 20:02:02 <bri_an> Happy Thursday or Friday, pending zone 20:02:10 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 20:02:19 <wilcal> Anyone new here today 20:02:28 <wilcal> We're in the Holiday season 20:03:01 <wilcal> No new people 20:03:09 <bri_an> yea 20:03:10 <wilcal> Lets move to this 20:03:11 <wilcal> #topic M6 -> M7 on going upgrade issues ( lockups ) 20:03:50 <wilcal> Lots of chatter on the QA ML with people struggling with M6 -> M7 update 20:04:16 <wilcal> We're gonna be testing M8 before all that gets resolved I think 20:04:20 <wilcal> Hi T 20:04:35 <bri_an> we expected it to be a challenge 20:04:36 <MageiaTJ> Hi. 20:04:52 <wilcal> Hi tar 20:05:14 <wilcal> I'm pretty convinced it's not going to be resolved for everyone 20:05:16 <tarazed> Hi Bill 20:05:28 <MageiaTJ> It's impossible to test upgrades for all possible combinations of hardware and software. 20:05:43 <wilcal> QA's position is still best to start fresh 20:06:13 <tarazed> Had no trouble here but I cheat - no Plasma 20:06:26 <wilcal> That'll do it 20:06:46 <wilcal> Xfce forever 20:06:54 <MageiaTJ> Plasma didn't give me any trouble in my tests. 20:06:57 <wilcal> And no nvidia 20:07:01 <tarazed> I will try a properly mixed system 20:07:16 <tarazed> Can't do without that here. 20:07:24 <MageiaTJ> nvidia - Now THERE'S a trouble-maker. 20:07:46 <tarazed> Aye, it's another varaiable 20:07:54 <tarazed> variable 20:08:04 <wilcal> Especially when Vbox is involved 20:08:23 <wilcal> My nvidia platform is now 8-years old 20:08:48 <wilcal> And I'm likely to scrap that MB in 2020 20:09:11 <wilcal> The generic Intel Graphics is more then fast enough for what I do 20:09:24 <tarazed> On my newest machine odd things happen with boot - nvidia or kernel? Who knows? 20:09:49 <wilcal> hi tmb 20:09:53 <tmb> hhi 20:10:11 <tarazed> With 4K and 3K screens videos play betted with nvidia than without 20:10:17 <wilcal> we're just finishing up on the M6 -> M7 issue we're not gonna solve that here 20:10:20 <MageiaTJ> I'm about to upgrade my AMD processor to a Phenom II, and at the same tiome I'll rip out the nvidia video card and replace it with an AMD HD 8490. 20:10:34 <wilcal> continued issues on the QA ML 20:10:40 <MageiaTJ> tiome=time 20:11:23 <wilcal> Lets move on 20:11:27 <wilcal> New subject 20:11:29 <wilcal> #topic Spectre and Meltdown kernel updates 20:11:42 <MageiaTJ> The driver for my old nvidia card will go EOL soon, anyway. 20:12:11 <wilcal> Intel has released their Series 10 and from my discussion with Intel at the NBA Show this release version has the fix in it 20:12:24 <wilcal> just wanted to get that in the log 20:12:48 <wilcal> NAB National Association of Broadcasters 20:12:51 <tarazed> I have to suspect the latest kernel in my boot problems. Installed cauldron on the new machine and the frozen boot came back. Cold boot only. 20:13:15 <wilcal> My systems have been pretty stable here 20:13:56 <wilcal> Lets move on 20:13:58 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates 20:14:06 <wilcal> Very vey long list. 20:14:25 <wilcal> The QT update is pushed so we should see that soon 20:14:32 <tarazed> And Christmas is upon us. Not much time for bugs. 20:14:44 <MageiaTJ> A lot of work has been done, though. It would be even longer without that. 20:15:02 <wilcal> Ya this is a slow time of the year so do what you can. 20:15:27 <wilcal> It would not make much sense to discuss any individual bug but do your best 20:16:12 <bri_an> will review some - it is a lot 20:16:22 <wilcal> question for tmb do you have any idea where M8 is at? 20:16:31 <wilcal> Nothing this year for sure 20:16:52 <tmb> wilcal, no-where... council is dormant so no planning anywhere... 20:17:14 <wilcal> I've got a couple bugs I've opened on features and fuctions that release 20:17:34 <wilcal> nothing likely to move until after 1 Jan 20:18:00 <wilcal> Lets move on 20:18:01 <wilcal> #topic Anything else? 20:18:09 <MageiaTJ> As usual, I won't even think about it until there's an iso to test. Too many updates to occupy my free time. 20:18:16 <wilcal> I'm back semi-functional 20:18:29 <tmb> yeah, if I have to guess, mga8 will meybe be out sometimes H2/2020 20:18:29 <wilcal> It's a whole new world to see for me. Literally 20:19:08 <MageiaTJ> Good to hear things are working out. 20:19:18 <wilcal> I am going to press for a formal connection to "The Cloud". Many of the Distros have that and Mageia does not 20:19:48 <wilcal> Ubuntu and Fedora have connections 20:20:03 <tmb> and paid developers.... 20:20:15 <wilcal> Mount an AWS s3 bucket 20:20:45 <wilcal> Wouldn't the Fedora rpm's be workable on Mageia? 20:22:00 <MageiaTJ> Let me guess - the answer to that is "It depends." 20:22:15 <tmb> its not just about rpms, someone have to do the work, testing, craating account in the cloud, ensure stufff passes cloud validation, ... 20:23:26 <MageiaTJ> A cloud sysadmin. 20:23:26 <tmb> There is a lot of things we "should/could" do... but it always comes back to resources... 20:23:38 <wilcal> If you have an Amazon account, and buy stuff there, you automatically have an aws.amazon.com account and can create s3 buckets 20:23:58 <wilcal> I've already put a website up on mine 20:24:06 <wilcal> It's pretty simple 20:25:27 <wilcal> Anyway eniough bellyache's on my part 20:25:31 <tmb> and there are more clouds than aws 20:25:31 <wilcal> anything else? 20:25:45 <bri_an> gvfs has a lot of connections 20:26:05 <wilcal> ya there's some common things between them to connect 20:26:09 <bri_an> gvfs packages - please we do aws connections - no idea if they work 20:26:13 <wilcal> But you can't get them all 20:26:28 <bri_an> please = plus 20:26:38 <wilcal> anything else? 20:26:43 <bri_an> nope 20:26:55 <tmb> not to mention, we already ship alot of aws stuff :) 20:27:22 <wilcal> Hi Beq 20:27:35 <wilcal> we're just about done. We're in the Anything Else section 20:27:42 <wilcal> ANything you need to share? 20:28:09 <Bequimao> Hi Wilcal! No, nothing. 20:28:58 <wilcal> Ok were done till next Thurs 20:29:04 <wilcal> thanks all for being here 20:29:09 <wilcal> Countdown time 20:29:14 <wilcal> T-5 20:29:24 <bri_an> good day and week all 20:29:29 <tarazed> Thanks wilcal 20:29:32 <wilcal> you to bri 20:29:34 <wilcal> T-4 20:29:40 <wilcal> T-3 20:29:46 <wilcal> Thanks for being here tmb 20:29:51 <wilcal> T-2 20:29:57 <wilcal> T-1 20:30:00 <wilcal> #endmeeting