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20:01:43 <wilcal> Welcome to another QA meeting
20:02:02 <bri_an> Happy Thursday or Friday, pending zone
20:02:10 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:02:19 <wilcal> Anyone new here today
20:02:28 <wilcal> We're in the Holiday season
20:03:01 <wilcal> No new people
20:03:09 <bri_an> yea
20:03:10 <wilcal> Lets move to this
20:03:11 <wilcal> #topic M6 -> M7 on going upgrade issues ( lockups )
20:03:50 <wilcal> Lots of chatter on the QA ML with people struggling with M6 -> M7 update
20:04:16 <wilcal> We're gonna be testing M8 before all that gets resolved I think
20:04:20 <wilcal> Hi T
20:04:35 <bri_an> we expected it to be a challenge
20:04:36 <MageiaTJ> Hi.
20:04:52 <wilcal> Hi tar
20:05:14 <wilcal> I'm pretty convinced it's not going to be resolved for everyone
20:05:16 <tarazed> Hi Bill
20:05:28 <MageiaTJ> It's impossible to test upgrades for all possible combinations of hardware and software.
20:05:43 <wilcal> QA's position is still best to start fresh
20:06:13 <tarazed> Had no trouble here but I cheat - no Plasma
20:06:26 <wilcal> That'll do it
20:06:46 <wilcal> Xfce forever
20:06:54 <MageiaTJ> Plasma didn't give me any trouble in my tests.
20:06:57 <wilcal> And no nvidia
20:07:01 <tarazed> I will try a properly mixed system
20:07:16 <tarazed> Can't do without that here.
20:07:24 <MageiaTJ> nvidia - Now THERE'S a trouble-maker.
20:07:46 <tarazed> Aye, it's another varaiable
20:07:54 <tarazed> variable
20:08:04 <wilcal> Especially when Vbox is involved
20:08:23 <wilcal> My nvidia platform is now 8-years old
20:08:48 <wilcal> And I'm likely to scrap that MB in 2020
20:09:11 <wilcal> The generic Intel Graphics is more then fast enough for what I do
20:09:24 <tarazed> On my newest machine odd things happen with boot - nvidia or kernel?  Who knows?
20:09:49 <wilcal> hi tmb
20:09:53 <tmb> hhi
20:10:11 <tarazed> With 4K and 3K screens videos play betted with nvidia than without
20:10:17 <wilcal> we're just finishing up on the M6 -> M7 issue we're not gonna solve that here
20:10:20 <MageiaTJ> I'm about to upgrade my AMD processor to a Phenom II, and at the same tiome I'll rip out the nvidia video card and replace it with an AMD HD 8490.
20:10:34 <wilcal> continued issues on the QA ML
20:10:40 <MageiaTJ> tiome=time
20:11:23 <wilcal> Lets move on
20:11:27 <wilcal> New subject
20:11:29 <wilcal> #topic Spectre and Meltdown kernel updates
20:11:42 <MageiaTJ> The driver for my old nvidia card will go EOL soon, anyway.
20:12:11 <wilcal> Intel has released their Series 10 and from my discussion with Intel at the NBA Show this release version has the fix in it
20:12:24 <wilcal> just wanted to get that in the log
20:12:48 <wilcal> NAB National Association of Broadcasters
20:12:51 <tarazed> I have to suspect the latest kernel in my boot problems.  Installed cauldron on the new machine and the frozen boot came back.  Cold boot only.
20:13:15 <wilcal> My systems have been pretty stable here
20:13:56 <wilcal> Lets move on
20:13:58 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates
20:14:06 <wilcal> Very vey long list.
20:14:25 <wilcal> The QT update is pushed so we should see that soon
20:14:32 <tarazed> And Christmas is upon us.  Not much time for bugs.
20:14:44 <MageiaTJ> A lot of work has been done, though. It would be even longer without that.
20:15:02 <wilcal> Ya this is a slow time of the year so do what you can.
20:15:27 <wilcal> It would not make much sense to discuss any individual bug but do your best
20:16:12 <bri_an> will review some - it is a lot
20:16:22 <wilcal> question for tmb do you have any idea where M8 is at?
20:16:31 <wilcal> Nothing this year for sure
20:16:52 <tmb> wilcal, no-where... council is dormant so no planning anywhere...
20:17:14 <wilcal> I've got a couple bugs I've opened on features and fuctions that release
20:17:34 <wilcal> nothing likely to move until after 1 Jan
20:18:00 <wilcal> Lets move on
20:18:01 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
20:18:09 <MageiaTJ> As usual, I won't even think about it until there's an iso to test. Too many updates to occupy my free time.
20:18:16 <wilcal> I'm back semi-functional
20:18:29 <tmb> yeah, if I have to guess, mga8 will meybe be out sometimes H2/2020
20:18:29 <wilcal> It's a whole new world to see for me. Literally
20:19:08 <MageiaTJ> Good to hear things are working out.
20:19:18 <wilcal> I am going to press for a formal connection to "The Cloud". Many of the Distros have that and Mageia does not
20:19:48 <wilcal> Ubuntu and Fedora have connections
20:20:03 <tmb> and paid developers....
20:20:15 <wilcal> Mount an AWS s3 bucket
20:20:45 <wilcal> Wouldn't the Fedora rpm's be workable on Mageia?
20:22:00 <MageiaTJ> Let me guess - the answer to that is "It depends."
20:22:15 <tmb> its not just about rpms, someone have to do the work, testing, craating account in the cloud, ensure stufff passes cloud validation, ...
20:23:26 <MageiaTJ> A cloud sysadmin.
20:23:26 <tmb> There is a lot of things we "should/could" do... but it always comes back to resources...
20:23:38 <wilcal> If you have an Amazon account, and buy stuff there, you automatically have an aws.amazon.com account and can create s3 buckets
20:23:58 <wilcal> I've already put a website up on mine
20:24:06 <wilcal> It's pretty simple
20:25:27 <wilcal> Anyway eniough bellyache's on my part
20:25:31 <tmb> and there are more clouds than aws
20:25:31 <wilcal> anything else?
20:25:45 <bri_an> gvfs has a lot of connections
20:26:05 <wilcal> ya there's some common things between them to connect
20:26:09 <bri_an> gvfs packages - please we do aws connections - no idea if they work
20:26:13 <wilcal> But you can't get them all
20:26:28 <bri_an> please = plus
20:26:38 <wilcal> anything else?
20:26:43 <bri_an> nope
20:26:55 <tmb> not to mention, we already ship alot of aws stuff :)
20:27:22 <wilcal> Hi Beq
20:27:35 <wilcal> we're just about done. We're in the Anything Else section
20:27:42 <wilcal> ANything you need to share?
20:28:09 <Bequimao> Hi Wilcal! No, nothing.
20:28:58 <wilcal> Ok were done till next Thurs
20:29:04 <wilcal> thanks all for being here
20:29:09 <wilcal> Countdown time
20:29:14 <wilcal> T-5
20:29:24 <bri_an> good day and week all
20:29:29 <tarazed> Thanks wilcal
20:29:32 <wilcal> you to bri
20:29:34 <wilcal> T-4
20:29:40 <wilcal> T-3
20:29:46 <wilcal> Thanks for being here tmb
20:29:51 <wilcal> T-2
20:29:57 <wilcal> T-1
20:30:00 <wilcal> #endmeeting