20:03:07 <wilcal> #startmeeting
20:03:07 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Nov 14 20:03:07 2019 UTC.  The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
20:03:07 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
20:03:26 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:03:31 <wilcal> Anyone new?
20:04:00 <wilcal> Na
20:04:03 <wilcal> #topic M6 -> M7 upgrade issues
20:04:28 <wilcal> I posted a message on the Council about QA's position on this
20:04:32 <wilcal> Hi Tar
20:04:45 <tarazed> Hi amigos
20:04:48 <bri_an> Has the council responded?
20:04:54 <bri_an> Buenos Dias
20:05:02 <wilcal> Basically there's no clear 100% reliable upgrade path that works everywhere
20:05:33 <bri_an> :0)  t_m_b
20:05:40 <t_m_b> hi all
20:05:40 <wilcal> The Council messages basically was frustrated that not much work was being done on it
20:05:49 <wilcal> Hi TMB
20:05:53 <tarazed> Hi Thomas
20:06:27 <wilcal> I was sharing the frustrationn on the Council ml on no work being done on M6 -> M7 upgrade
20:06:47 <wilcal> Basically it's really kinda behind us
20:06:52 <bri_an> I figure in 3 months we'll be doing M8
20:07:17 <wilcal> I expect in 1st qtr 2020
20:07:32 <wilcal> Release by end June 2020
20:07:36 <wilcal> IMO
20:08:23 <wilcal> The M8 repo is very active
20:08:30 <bri_an> tmb:  seeing any big changes from upstream (Xfce, Plasma, Gnome)?
20:08:34 <Benmc> gentlemen. hi
20:08:42 <wilcal> Hello Ben
20:08:45 <tarazed> Hi Ben
20:08:47 <bri_an> Hi Benmc - what time is it there?
20:08:57 <Benmc> just after 9 in the morning
20:09:06 <wilcal> We're talking M6 -> M7 upgrade and the in action there of
20:09:09 <t_m_b> bri_an, tbh, I have not followed any of them really close lately...
20:09:33 <bri_an> np, I can relate
20:10:05 <wilcal> Again, I posted on the Council ML that QA cannot find a reliable works 100% everywhere path for M6 -> M7
20:10:17 <wilcal> Upgrade
20:10:24 <t_m_b> wilcal, well, thats always the case :)
20:11:06 <wilcal> So M6 is really really EOL and little to no effort is going into it
20:12:15 <wilcal> So lets move on
20:12:17 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates
20:12:30 <wilcal> I've started my process testing the new kernel
20:12:44 <wilcal> I should be through it during the weekend
20:12:50 <tarazed> Some problems with the linus kernel here
20:13:13 <tarazed> Destop kerenel is generally fine
20:13:20 <wilcal> I only test that in a Vbox client
20:14:05 <tarazed> The interaction with real iron is worth checking
20:14:52 <bri_an> yeah - this test is on bare metal
20:15:01 <bri_an> so far so good
20:15:11 <wilcal> ANy general reasons why one should be using the linux kernel
20:16:23 <tarazed> It is there to be tested but you do not have to use it
20:17:15 <t_m_b> wilcal, the -linus kernel is there for those that want to run a kernel that is a clean upstream code, without any distro patches...
20:17:30 <wilcal> I see there's a clamav tst in there
20:17:33 <wilcal> thks tmb
20:17:59 <t_m_b> it also serves as a regression test... if core kernel does not work, and linus kernel does, it means some of the patches we carry have introduced a regression
20:18:46 <tarazed> In my case it looks like the bare kernel does not work very well
20:20:19 <wilcal> There's two nvidia bugs in there. Are they specific to one nvidia hardware implementation?
20:21:31 <t_m_b> wilcal, well, yes, they should be tested on hw that actually uses them... and they are also in cauldron so they are already being tested...
20:22:29 <wilcal> I have an 8-year old nvidia intel system
20:22:42 <wilcal> Get'n long in the tooth
20:22:43 <t_m_b> the nvidia390 is basically in maintenance mode, so low risk of regression... the nvidia-current adds support for more hw, so a little bit higher risk, but its a long lived branch, so no new features should land in it
20:23:02 <Bequimao> I have here a kernel panic at shutdown/reboot with a Sony Vaio E series notebook.
20:23:36 <t_m_b> Bequimao, with new kernel / microcode ?
20:24:19 <Bequimao> Yes. never had such panic at shutdown.
20:24:24 <bri_an> I'll look at the 390 one when it hits the list
20:24:54 <t_m_b> bri_an, it's already on the list
20:25:27 <t_m_b> bug 25690
20:26:47 <wilcal> Anything else on the bugs to test listing needing discussion?
20:27:58 <wilcal> silence
20:28:00 <wilcal> lets move on
20:28:02 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
20:28:15 <wilcal> Anything else needing attention?
20:29:02 <wilcal> Otherwise thanks all for being here
20:29:15 <wilcal> We'll do it again a week from today
20:29:38 <wilcal> 28th Nov is "Turkey" Day here in the States
20:30:26 <wilcal> Count Down time
20:30:30 <wilcal> T-5
20:30:48 <wilcal> T-4
20:31:01 <wilcal> T-3
20:31:09 <wilcal> T-2
20:31:13 <wilcal> Bye all
20:31:21 <wilcal> T-1
20:31:38 <wilcal> #endmeeting