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19:03:14 <wilcal> KIcking this thing off
19:03:32 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:03:38 <wilcal> Anyone new in here today?
19:04:07 <wilcal> Hi Mag
19:04:12 <MageiaTJ> Hi.
19:04:13 <wilcal> no one new
19:05:16 <wilcal> #topic M6 -> M7 upgrade issue
19:05:29 <wilcal> So lots of chatter on this since last week
19:06:22 <wilcal> Basically it is what it is and kinda saying an installed version M6.1 can't be cleanly and reliably upgraded to M7
19:06:35 <MageiaTJ> I did a successful upgrade in vbox earlier today, using the netinstall iso.
19:06:59 <MageiaTJ> Very clean, not so much as a hiccup.
19:07:03 <wilcal> But I get the idea that that does not work everywhere
19:07:28 <wilcal> So do state your position on this for the record here
19:08:11 <wilcal> Should we continue to work on this or simply post to the support forum use netinstall or do a clean from a blank drive install
19:08:54 <wilcal> QA suggests "???"
19:09:06 <MageiaTJ> I'll try netinstall on real hardware this evening, with nvidia340 graphics.
19:09:11 <bri_an> My opinion we never did a formal EOL for Mga6.1 in the blog
19:09:18 <bri_an> French one yes, but not in the English one
19:09:33 <hviaene> Upgrade from DVD/USB ???
19:09:44 <bri_an> We need to get that out in the blog, people are probably still assuming MGA6 is good.
19:10:00 <bri_an> Mixed bag for me hviaene, but better than my applet experience.
19:10:21 <wilcal> For the record going all the way back to Mandrake I have always started with something like
19:10:22 <wilcal> https://www.killdisk.com
19:10:23 <[mbot> [ How to erase hard drive by Active@ KillDisk? Disk Eraser, Disk Wiper, Disk Format & Disk Sanitizer. ]
19:10:33 <wilcal> Then proceed with the install
19:10:36 <hviaene> Well, is better good enough??
19:11:21 <MageiaTJ> My upgrade fixed a problem I was having in the Mageia 6 guest with shared folders.
19:11:37 <wilcal> Hi tar we're discussing the M6 -> M7 upgrade issue
19:11:39 <hviaene> @wilcal: I always just overwrote the partition with the previous version, never a problem
19:11:44 <MageiaTJ> Did it automagically.
19:11:48 <tarazed> hi all
19:11:56 <bri_an> I would say we recommend fresh install and back up your data before doing an upgrade through DVD/USB or applet.  And be clear about Classic ISO
19:12:21 <bri_an> and upgrades or net_install and upgrade
19:12:29 <wilcal> I support a heavy suggestion to back everything up and do a fresh install
19:12:51 <hviaene> That is never a bad  idea
19:12:56 <tarazed> My feeling too after a couple of faile upgrades.
19:13:06 <MageiaTJ> I usually tell the installer to format / but leave /home alone. Always works. But I DO make a backup.
19:13:23 <hviaene> Yesss
19:13:30 <MageiaTJ> That's on a "clean" install.
19:13:32 <bri_an> there will be somebody out there with a 40 GB HD that is one partition
19:13:43 <bri_an> so sing loudly about backups
19:14:37 <bri_an> sorry if I'm yelling, my apologies.  Everyone on this chat is IT knowledgeable
19:14:38 <wilcal> BTW it's never the back-up. It's always the restore ( can you successfully do that )
19:14:57 <bri_an> Amen Wilcal
19:15:48 <MageiaTJ> Well, I did do that when doing a hardware upgrade a year ago.
19:15:49 <wilcal> Do state your position here so that it becomes part of the record and I/we can refer to that in the next week
19:15:58 <bri_an> my favorite has been luckybackup, funny enough it isn't a backup system in the "formal" sense
19:16:28 <bri_an> Clear Blog entry - spec the approach and be done with it
19:16:53 <wilcal> I make heavy use of rsync and mounted LAN drives
19:17:03 <wilcal> And a QNAP NAS
19:17:08 <bri_an> which is what luckybackup uses
19:17:12 <tarazed> I rarely backup system partitions.  home is sacrosanct, backed up piecemeal though.
19:17:43 <wilcal> I consider the base OS ( Mageia ) as disposable. That's easily rebuildable
19:18:03 <bri_an> wilcal exactly
19:18:24 <bri_an> 20 - 40 min and were back
19:18:31 <tarazed> Yep.
19:18:42 <MageiaTJ> I favor a clean install over an upgrade. But if you want to try an upgrade, use either the CI or netinstall isos. If the upgrade fails, you still have the clean install option. And always, ALWAYS back up your data first.
19:19:08 <wilcal> Yes, I  can get a boot back to a new Plasma desktop from a blank drive ( killdisk.com ) in as little as 30-minutes
19:19:11 <bri_an> TJ - spot on
19:19:12 <MageiaTJ> That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
19:19:16 <tarazed> Both those methods failed on me recently.
19:20:04 <tarazed> For upgrades that is
19:20:07 <bri_an> but I had no success with mgapplet
19:20:51 <wilcal> so bri_an states mgapplet does not work for him
19:21:05 <bri_an> wilcal: yes
19:21:06 <wilcal> And that's the heart of the problem
19:21:26 <wilcal> Sometimes it's successful, sometimes not
19:21:27 <MageiaTJ> tarazed, there have been a couple of recent updates to Mageia 7 that fix some issues that you might have hit before.
19:21:31 <bri_an> so we tell folks - CI or netinstall, but best do it fresh
19:21:46 <bri_an> as TJ stated
19:21:57 <tarazed> TJ: OK shall look at that
19:22:08 <wilcal> Anything else on this?
19:22:29 <bri_an> <brian> is stepping down from pulpit - yup done
19:23:00 <wilcal> Lets move on
19:23:01 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates
19:23:42 <wilcal> Another Vbox update in there so that'll keep me busy
19:23:50 <tarazed> Aye, virtualbox.  Would somebody please pick up on that.  Nothing but trouble here.
19:24:18 <bri_an> Can someone do the 64-bit plasma on https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25552
19:24:20 <[mbot> [ 25552 – QSystemTrayIcon doesn't show up after (re)start of traybar ]
19:24:26 <wilcal> Vbox is a very challenging app. Especially if you have a system with Nvidia
19:24:53 <MageiaTJ> Anybody use chromium? There's a update for that, too.
19:25:14 <wilcal> Easy to test but I stay mostly with FF
19:25:27 <bri_an> I can do chromium.
19:25:34 <hviaene> Not really, I test it but keep to FF
19:25:36 <MageiaTJ> bri_an: I'll look at it and see what I can do.
19:25:55 <MageiaTJ> 25552, I mean.
19:26:45 <wilcal> Anything else on updates
19:26:47 <bri_an> thx TJ - I did the 32-bit test.  It was quiet, I picked everything just to confirm it would install
19:27:33 <hviaene> @ wilcal: I am really nt happy with thebind update
19:27:49 <wilcal> does it install with no errors
19:28:19 <hviaene> Install yes, work no
19:28:32 <wilcal> :-(
19:28:38 <wilcal> Bounce the bug
19:28:56 <wilcal> comment in the bug
19:29:05 <hviaene> Meaning??
19:29:19 <hviaene> I did already
19:29:31 <wilcal> OK sounds like a plan
19:29:42 <wilcal> anything else on updates
19:29:46 <hviaene> I guess that's part of why it is still in the list
19:29:53 <wilcal> Yup
19:30:12 <wilcal> Lets move on
19:30:23 <bri_an> 25108 needs to come off the list until upstream fixes something
19:30:23 <wilcal> QA has been asked for its opinion
19:30:26 <MageiaTJ> Bind is one of the bugs holding up the upgrade path, I think.
19:30:45 <wilcal> And I put it into a Bug
19:30:51 <wilcal> #topic FUSE Cloud connection, Bug 25575
19:31:29 <wilcal> So I was trying to mount an AWS S3 bucked on my Mangeia system and ran into a road block
19:31:37 <wilcal> the necessary RPMs are not there
19:31:55 <wilcal> Other Distros do have such a function
19:32:15 <wilcal> Has anyone here created a mount from a cloud "bucket"
19:32:24 <wilcal> or even understand what all that is
19:32:48 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25575
19:32:50 <[mbot> [ 25575 – s3fs : a free, open-source FUSE plugin for accessing an Amazon S3 bucket as a file system ]
19:33:09 <bri_an> I have not
19:33:28 <MageiaTJ> Over my head.
19:33:58 <wilcal> So you'd have an account with a Cloud service like AWS and you would locally mount part of that cloud on your local system
19:34:23 <wilcal> you could then, using rsync, back up data to the cloud
19:34:27 <wilcal> just one usage
19:34:47 <hviaene> Is that thesame as a Google Driveaccount?
19:35:03 <wilcal> there are many Cloud services AWS being the biggest Google is another and I put that into the bug too
19:35:31 <wilcal> You should be able to mount your Google "bucket" locally on your Mageia system
19:35:41 <wilcal> right now the rpms are not there to do that
19:35:52 <hviaene> I  installed storagemadeeasy on MGA5 and that worked quite well
19:35:52 <wilcal> Fedora does it and it all is well documented
19:36:12 <MageiaTJ> We do have a Google Drive app. I just tested an update that fixed an issue with it not starting.
19:36:19 <wilcal> is storagemadeeasy a MCC install?
19:36:50 <hviaene> I hope I can pick that up again and test on M7
19:36:53 <wilcal> If you have a work around please do put that in the bug so the developers can look at that
19:37:10 <hviaene> wilcal: I don'tt think so
19:37:56 <wilcal> So IMO it's an important issue and I think if should be put into the M7 repo, for sure M8
19:38:03 <hviaene> OK, bossthumbup
19:38:19 <wilcal> thanks for any help on this one
19:38:39 <wilcal> Lets move on
19:38:41 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
19:38:45 <wilcal> Anything else?
19:38:56 <hviaene> Not here
19:39:01 <bri_an> nothing here
19:39:01 <wilcal> I'm done
19:39:05 <tarazed> ] ZZZZ
19:39:09 <wilcal> thanks all fr being here
19:39:17 <wilcal> Ya got kinda geeky today
19:39:26 <MageiaTJ> Clocks change soon.
19:39:29 <hviaene> G'night all
19:39:29 <bri_an> my normal state then
19:39:34 <bri_an> G'night
19:39:44 <wilcal> countdown time
19:39:47 <wilcal> T-5
19:39:48 <tarazed> G'/part
19:39:50 <wilcal> Bye all
19:39:56 <wilcal> T-4
19:40:02 <wilcal> T-3
19:40:07 <wilcal> T-2
19:40:11 <wilcal> T-1
19:40:15 <wilcal> #endmeeting