19:03:04 <wilcal> #startmeeting 19:03:04 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Oct 17 19:03:04 2019 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:03:04 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:03:14 <wilcal> KIcking this thing off 19:03:32 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 19:03:38 <wilcal> Anyone new in here today? 19:04:07 <wilcal> Hi Mag 19:04:12 <MageiaTJ> Hi. 19:04:13 <wilcal> no one new 19:05:16 <wilcal> #topic M6 -> M7 upgrade issue 19:05:29 <wilcal> So lots of chatter on this since last week 19:06:22 <wilcal> Basically it is what it is and kinda saying an installed version M6.1 can't be cleanly and reliably upgraded to M7 19:06:35 <MageiaTJ> I did a successful upgrade in vbox earlier today, using the netinstall iso. 19:06:59 <MageiaTJ> Very clean, not so much as a hiccup. 19:07:03 <wilcal> But I get the idea that that does not work everywhere 19:07:28 <wilcal> So do state your position on this for the record here 19:08:11 <wilcal> Should we continue to work on this or simply post to the support forum use netinstall or do a clean from a blank drive install 19:08:54 <wilcal> QA suggests "???" 19:09:06 <MageiaTJ> I'll try netinstall on real hardware this evening, with nvidia340 graphics. 19:09:11 <bri_an> My opinion we never did a formal EOL for Mga6.1 in the blog 19:09:18 <bri_an> French one yes, but not in the English one 19:09:33 <hviaene> Upgrade from DVD/USB ??? 19:09:44 <bri_an> We need to get that out in the blog, people are probably still assuming MGA6 is good. 19:10:00 <bri_an> Mixed bag for me hviaene, but better than my applet experience. 19:10:21 <wilcal> For the record going all the way back to Mandrake I have always started with something like 19:10:22 <wilcal> https://www.killdisk.com 19:10:23 <[mbot> [ How to erase hard drive by Active@ KillDisk? Disk Eraser, Disk Wiper, Disk Format & Disk Sanitizer. ] 19:10:33 <wilcal> Then proceed with the install 19:10:36 <hviaene> Well, is better good enough?? 19:11:21 <MageiaTJ> My upgrade fixed a problem I was having in the Mageia 6 guest with shared folders. 19:11:37 <wilcal> Hi tar we're discussing the M6 -> M7 upgrade issue 19:11:39 <hviaene> @wilcal: I always just overwrote the partition with the previous version, never a problem 19:11:44 <MageiaTJ> Did it automagically. 19:11:48 <tarazed> hi all 19:11:56 <bri_an> I would say we recommend fresh install and back up your data before doing an upgrade through DVD/USB or applet. And be clear about Classic ISO 19:12:21 <bri_an> and upgrades or net_install and upgrade 19:12:29 <wilcal> I support a heavy suggestion to back everything up and do a fresh install 19:12:51 <hviaene> That is never a bad idea 19:12:56 <tarazed> My feeling too after a couple of faile upgrades. 19:13:06 <MageiaTJ> I usually tell the installer to format / but leave /home alone. Always works. But I DO make a backup. 19:13:23 <hviaene> Yesss 19:13:30 <MageiaTJ> That's on a "clean" install. 19:13:32 <bri_an> there will be somebody out there with a 40 GB HD that is one partition 19:13:43 <bri_an> so sing loudly about backups 19:14:37 <bri_an> sorry if I'm yelling, my apologies. Everyone on this chat is IT knowledgeable 19:14:38 <wilcal> BTW it's never the back-up. It's always the restore ( can you successfully do that ) 19:14:57 <bri_an> Amen Wilcal 19:15:48 <MageiaTJ> Well, I did do that when doing a hardware upgrade a year ago. 19:15:49 <wilcal> Do state your position here so that it becomes part of the record and I/we can refer to that in the next week 19:15:58 <bri_an> my favorite has been luckybackup, funny enough it isn't a backup system in the "formal" sense 19:16:28 <bri_an> Clear Blog entry - spec the approach and be done with it 19:16:53 <wilcal> I make heavy use of rsync and mounted LAN drives 19:17:03 <wilcal> And a QNAP NAS 19:17:08 <bri_an> which is what luckybackup uses 19:17:12 <tarazed> I rarely backup system partitions. home is sacrosanct, backed up piecemeal though. 19:17:43 <wilcal> I consider the base OS ( Mageia ) as disposable. That's easily rebuildable 19:18:03 <bri_an> wilcal exactly 19:18:24 <bri_an> 20 - 40 min and were back 19:18:31 <tarazed> Yep. 19:18:42 <MageiaTJ> I favor a clean install over an upgrade. But if you want to try an upgrade, use either the CI or netinstall isos. If the upgrade fails, you still have the clean install option. And always, ALWAYS back up your data first. 19:19:08 <wilcal> Yes, I can get a boot back to a new Plasma desktop from a blank drive ( killdisk.com ) in as little as 30-minutes 19:19:11 <bri_an> TJ - spot on 19:19:12 <MageiaTJ> That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. 19:19:16 <tarazed> Both those methods failed on me recently. 19:20:04 <tarazed> For upgrades that is 19:20:07 <bri_an> but I had no success with mgapplet 19:20:51 <wilcal> so bri_an states mgapplet does not work for him 19:21:05 <bri_an> wilcal: yes 19:21:06 <wilcal> And that's the heart of the problem 19:21:26 <wilcal> Sometimes it's successful, sometimes not 19:21:27 <MageiaTJ> tarazed, there have been a couple of recent updates to Mageia 7 that fix some issues that you might have hit before. 19:21:31 <bri_an> so we tell folks - CI or netinstall, but best do it fresh 19:21:46 <bri_an> as TJ stated 19:21:57 <tarazed> TJ: OK shall look at that 19:22:08 <wilcal> Anything else on this? 19:22:29 <bri_an> <brian> is stepping down from pulpit - yup done 19:23:00 <wilcal> Lets move on 19:23:01 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates 19:23:42 <wilcal> Another Vbox update in there so that'll keep me busy 19:23:50 <tarazed> Aye, virtualbox. Would somebody please pick up on that. Nothing but trouble here. 19:24:18 <bri_an> Can someone do the 64-bit plasma on https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25552 19:24:20 <[mbot> [ 25552 – QSystemTrayIcon doesn't show up after (re)start of traybar ] 19:24:26 <wilcal> Vbox is a very challenging app. Especially if you have a system with Nvidia 19:24:53 <MageiaTJ> Anybody use chromium? There's a update for that, too. 19:25:14 <wilcal> Easy to test but I stay mostly with FF 19:25:27 <bri_an> I can do chromium. 19:25:34 <hviaene> Not really, I test it but keep to FF 19:25:36 <MageiaTJ> bri_an: I'll look at it and see what I can do. 19:25:55 <MageiaTJ> 25552, I mean. 19:26:45 <wilcal> Anything else on updates 19:26:47 <bri_an> thx TJ - I did the 32-bit test. It was quiet, I picked everything just to confirm it would install 19:27:33 <hviaene> @ wilcal: I am really nt happy with thebind update 19:27:49 <wilcal> does it install with no errors 19:28:19 <hviaene> Install yes, work no 19:28:32 <wilcal> :-( 19:28:38 <wilcal> Bounce the bug 19:28:56 <wilcal> comment in the bug 19:29:05 <hviaene> Meaning?? 19:29:19 <hviaene> I did already 19:29:31 <wilcal> OK sounds like a plan 19:29:42 <wilcal> anything else on updates 19:29:46 <hviaene> I guess that's part of why it is still in the list 19:29:53 <wilcal> Yup 19:30:12 <wilcal> Lets move on 19:30:23 <bri_an> 25108 needs to come off the list until upstream fixes something 19:30:23 <wilcal> QA has been asked for its opinion 19:30:26 <MageiaTJ> Bind is one of the bugs holding up the upgrade path, I think. 19:30:45 <wilcal> And I put it into a Bug 19:30:51 <wilcal> #topic FUSE Cloud connection, Bug 25575 19:31:29 <wilcal> So I was trying to mount an AWS S3 bucked on my Mangeia system and ran into a road block 19:31:37 <wilcal> the necessary RPMs are not there 19:31:55 <wilcal> Other Distros do have such a function 19:32:15 <wilcal> Has anyone here created a mount from a cloud "bucket" 19:32:24 <wilcal> or even understand what all that is 19:32:48 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25575 19:32:50 <[mbot> [ 25575 – s3fs : a free, open-source FUSE plugin for accessing an Amazon S3 bucket as a file system ] 19:33:09 <bri_an> I have not 19:33:28 <MageiaTJ> Over my head. 19:33:58 <wilcal> So you'd have an account with a Cloud service like AWS and you would locally mount part of that cloud on your local system 19:34:23 <wilcal> you could then, using rsync, back up data to the cloud 19:34:27 <wilcal> just one usage 19:34:47 <hviaene> Is that thesame as a Google Driveaccount? 19:35:03 <wilcal> there are many Cloud services AWS being the biggest Google is another and I put that into the bug too 19:35:31 <wilcal> You should be able to mount your Google "bucket" locally on your Mageia system 19:35:41 <wilcal> right now the rpms are not there to do that 19:35:52 <hviaene> I installed storagemadeeasy on MGA5 and that worked quite well 19:35:52 <wilcal> Fedora does it and it all is well documented 19:36:12 <MageiaTJ> We do have a Google Drive app. I just tested an update that fixed an issue with it not starting. 19:36:19 <wilcal> is storagemadeeasy a MCC install? 19:36:50 <hviaene> I hope I can pick that up again and test on M7 19:36:53 <wilcal> If you have a work around please do put that in the bug so the developers can look at that 19:37:10 <hviaene> wilcal: I don'tt think so 19:37:56 <wilcal> So IMO it's an important issue and I think if should be put into the M7 repo, for sure M8 19:38:03 <hviaene> OK, bossthumbup 19:38:19 <wilcal> thanks for any help on this one 19:38:39 <wilcal> Lets move on 19:38:41 <wilcal> #topic Anything else? 19:38:45 <wilcal> Anything else? 19:38:56 <hviaene> Not here 19:39:01 <bri_an> nothing here 19:39:01 <wilcal> I'm done 19:39:05 <tarazed> ] ZZZZ 19:39:09 <wilcal> thanks all fr being here 19:39:17 <wilcal> Ya got kinda geeky today 19:39:26 <MageiaTJ> Clocks change soon. 19:39:29 <hviaene> G'night all 19:39:29 <bri_an> my normal state then 19:39:34 <bri_an> G'night 19:39:44 <wilcal> countdown time 19:39:47 <wilcal> T-5 19:39:48 <tarazed> G'/part 19:39:50 <wilcal> Bye all 19:39:56 <wilcal> T-4 19:40:02 <wilcal> T-3 19:40:07 <wilcal> T-2 19:40:11 <wilcal> T-1 19:40:15 <wilcal> #endmeeting