19:04:10 <DavidWHodgins> #startmeeting
19:04:10 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Jul 12 19:04:10 2018 UTC.  The chair is DavidWHodgins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
19:04:10 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
19:04:17 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal tarazed_
19:04:17 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins tarazed_ wilcal
19:04:38 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello
19:04:52 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who hasn't been to a qa team irc meeting before?
19:05:21 <Benmc> no new names on the list
19:05:24 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * M5 -> M6 upgrade, driver support for old video cards, how old?
19:05:41 <wilcal> At what point do we cut this off?
19:05:56 <DavidWHodgins> So far we have sis and some nvidia cards
19:06:14 <wilcal> This is holding up M6.1 right
19:06:45 <DavidWHodgins> This is for a warning we'll be sending out for Mageia 5 kde4 users, with the recommendation that they have an alternate desktop environment installed before upgrading
19:07:21 <Benmc> one of my lappya has intel, x86 ok, but i586 boots to black background with bubbling cauldron
19:07:24 <ca-on-adam> I have a desktop PC with an ATI card if that is an unknown hardware configuation we need to know about
19:07:33 <wilcal> I'm in favor of that
19:07:40 <tarazed_> Does that mean older cards should work for Mate and GNOME?
19:08:03 <DavidWHodgins> Don't know about gnome, but should work with mate or xfce for sure.
19:08:06 <kekePower> does the KDE team have a minimum requirement posted anywhere?
19:08:10 <wilcal> All my platforms, including this old lappy, are happy on M6 Plasma. One with an Nvidia framebuffer
19:08:13 <DavidWHodgins> May require using the vesa driver
19:08:48 <DavidWHodgins> kekePower: Not that I know of
19:09:23 <kekePower> DavidWHodgins: OK
19:09:46 <DavidWHodgins> It's a bit weird as my 6 year old ati radeon card is ok, but some newer cards are not
19:10:09 <kekePower> could it be a configuration/compilation issue?
19:10:14 <wilcal> My nvidia card is like 7-years old and it's fine
19:10:50 <DavidWHodgins> kekePower: No. It's something in the video drivers that kde needs but isn't getting, as far as I understand it.
19:11:23 <DavidWHodgins> Or possibly something the driver claims to support, but doesn't actually support in the way kde is trying to use it.
19:11:27 <kekePower> DavidWHodgins: Let's just call it a bug
19:12:07 <kekePower> but we all know Plasma is a hog
19:12:17 <DavidWHodgins> I'll think about it some more and write something up. I'll post it to the qa-discuss ml before sending it out to forums, atelier, etc.
19:12:21 <ca-on-adam> I have a bunch of older computers but I can work on that one with the ATI card first if we don't have any reports about that yet.
19:12:24 <wilcal> We're just getting pressure on M7 and that's not predictable until M6.1 is turned loose
19:13:21 <DavidWHodgins> #info I'll post a write up about the kde plasma video card problems to the qa-discuss ml before sending it out to forums, atelier, etc.
19:13:47 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Mageia 6.1 and turning on mgaapplet
19:14:04 <DavidWHodgins> bug 21340 is the tracker
19:14:10 <[mbot> Bug: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21340
19:14:16 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:14:24 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. No mbot today
19:15:02 <kekePower> after having read the emails, it looks like we're getting really close now
19:15:20 <DavidWHodgins> There is one, bug 23222, that is a minor fix. Once that's done, I think we can go ahead and start building the 6.1 iso images.
19:15:27 <[mbot> Bug: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23222
19:15:32 <Benmc> sorry folks, got to go. try to be back later
19:15:40 <DavidWHodgins> Benmc: Ok. Thanks for being here
19:15:41 <wilcal> Please
19:16:01 <DavidWHodgins> That one is about a kdeplasma-addons package conflict during upgrade
19:17:08 <DavidWHodgins> bug 21433, about the downloads folder having utf-8 characters causing problem, I think we can recommend just having as an errata item warning users not to do that.
19:17:11 <[mbot> Bug: ['Update failure when RPM download folder includes UTF-8 characters', 'ASSIGNED', 'Thierry Vignaud'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21433
19:17:38 <DavidWHodgins> Unless it can be fixed easily/quickly.
19:18:19 <kekePower> I thought that one was fixed, then re-introduced somehow
19:18:35 <DavidWHodgins> Assuming bug 23222 can be fixed by then, I'd like to call for a council meeting for next Tuesday to recommend starting with the 6.1 iso image creation.
19:18:41 <[mbot> Bug: ['During upgrade of mga5/kde4 system to mga6, kdeplasma-addons packages conflict', 'NEW', 'KDE maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23222
19:18:52 <wilcal> I second that David
19:19:05 <wilcal> Time to move on
19:19:32 <DavidWHodgins> Most of the plasma conflicts have been fixed. That one is for a package not installed by default, so not present on most m5 systems.
19:20:01 <DavidWHodgins> That's why it didn't show up in our prior testing.
19:20:04 <wilcal> I am having great success here M5 -> M6 upgrade
19:20:19 <wilcal> and that starting from the original M5 CI
19:20:23 <DavidWHodgins> #info Assuming bug 23222 can be fixed by then, I'd like to call for a council meeting for next Tuesday to recommend starting with the 6.1 iso image creation.
19:20:25 <[mbot> Bug: ['During upgrade of mga5/kde4 system to mga6, kdeplasma-addons packages conflict', 'NEW', 'KDE maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23222
19:21:05 <DavidWHodgins> My upgrade tests were done with copies of my prior qa test install, so had a very large number of packages installed.
19:21:37 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing updates - Any questions or problems, long list
19:21:49 <DavidWHodgins> Oops. Short list this week. :-)
19:22:05 <wilcal> Note to all: I found the M6 mirrors.kernel.org repo busted this morning
19:22:18 <wilcal> cauldron seemed ok
19:22:24 <DavidWHodgins> In what way? Not responding?
19:22:45 <wilcal> Reported, repeatedly, max users are 75 I think
19:22:54 <wilcal> I think it's been that way for awile
19:23:49 <wilcal> i changed to the repo at Princeton and that worked fine
19:23:57 <DavidWHodgins> First I've heard about it. My main install uses princeton, but several of my vb guests still use kernel.org. It was ok last night (about 14 hours ago now).
19:24:44 <tarazed_> Hi Brian
19:24:51 <bria_n> HI All - sorry I'm late
19:24:59 <DavidWHodgins> I don't remember having tested cantata before. Will have to look at it to see what it is.
19:25:07 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa bria_n
19:25:08 <tarazed_> So, short list; ideal time for iso testing.
19:25:24 <bria_n> cantata - interesting music engine
19:25:39 <wilcal> Another issue I've been stressing over is running Kwrite in an su terminal
19:25:43 <kekePower> I'd like to introduce a few packages to support the image format the new iPhone uses. HEIF/HEIC
19:25:50 <DavidWHodgins> If you've used it before, feel free to test the update. :-)
19:25:55 <wilcal> that no longer works or allowed
19:25:57 <kekePower> Having tested it locally with Imagemagick
19:26:02 <bria_n> is there another?
19:26:12 <wilcal> the suggested work around does not work either
19:26:37 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: That's a decision by the kde plasma folks.
19:27:13 <hviaene> yes, like dolphin
19:27:15 <DavidWHodgins> My recommendation is to use gedit or leafpad instead. Don't forget the - when using su.
19:27:34 <bria_n> DavidWHodgins: only question is whether to include sqlite/QT5 modules.
19:27:52 <bria_n> on cantata.  It works, but not all dependencies are in place
19:28:08 <wilcal> Yup, and still causing lots of hate and discontent
19:28:15 <bria_n> so it takes tweaking
19:28:51 <bria_n> wilcal:  ha - just use "vi"
19:28:53 <bria_n> LOL
19:29:12 <wilcal> I re-learned nano and that's fine and is one step up from VI
19:29:24 <wilcal> do you have any idea how old VI is?
19:29:29 <wilcal> God
19:29:46 <kekePower> that's why I'm using Neovim
19:29:52 <bria_n> maybe younger than that... ;-)  I use it occassionally and it still makes me swear
19:30:00 <DavidWHodgins> bria_n: WIthout looking further into it, I suspect it can be configured to use a variety of database engines, so forcing any particular one would not be good.
19:30:29 <tarazed_> emacs is OK
19:30:31 <wilcal> My O'Reilly VI book was published in 1999
19:30:37 <DavidWHodgins> So it's ok for it not to have the requires. Also, it's not a regression.
19:30:39 <bria_n> hmm it defaults to sqlite without asking, so it just fails.  Just need to reply in list is fine
19:30:43 <tarazed_> Checked kwrite and it does not work
19:30:55 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else?
19:30:55 <bria_n> I was using vi back in the early 90's
19:31:05 <DavidWHodgins> Since we're already on that topic. :-)
19:31:17 <bria_n> yea
19:31:21 <DavidWHodgins> I prefer mcedit. Aka mc -e
19:31:29 <wilcal> I used VI in Solaris
19:31:39 <wilcal> SlowAris as it was called
19:32:07 <wilcal> Anyway lots of hate and discontent in the KDE group over all this
19:32:11 <bria_n> on Cantata - just need a decision.  It works and if we are okay with the dependency gap it is good
19:32:25 <bria_n> wilcal:  I could guess
19:32:27 <DavidWHodgins> Decision is that it's ok
19:32:40 <bria_n> not to add QT5-sqlite module.
19:32:49 <bria_n> as a dependency.
19:32:53 <wilcal> I have nothing else
19:33:08 <DavidWHodgins> You can open a new bug report if it concerns you, but it's not a regression so can't block the update.
19:33:34 <bria_n> np - can you add your okay with our testing then.  hviene and I both confirmed it will work
19:33:42 <hviaene> Cantate; agree
19:33:44 <bria_n> <spelling> sorry
19:34:01 <DavidWHodgins> Will do. I'll add the advisory to svn after this meeting, then validate the update.
19:34:12 <bria_n> thx
19:34:26 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like countdown time then.
19:34:30 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5
19:34:34 <wilcal> Super everyone
19:34:35 <DavidWHodgins> 4
19:34:39 <wilcal> bye all
19:34:39 <DavidWHodgins> 3
19:34:41 <bria_n> by all
19:34:42 <DavidWHodgins> 2
19:34:42 <tarazed_> Bye folks
19:34:44 <DavidWHodgins> 1
19:34:44 <hviaene> G'night all
19:34:52 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone
19:34:58 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting