19:04:10 <DavidWHodgins> #startmeeting 19:04:10 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Jul 12 19:04:10 2018 UTC. The chair is DavidWHodgins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:04:10 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:04:17 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal tarazed_ 19:04:17 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins tarazed_ wilcal 19:04:38 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello 19:04:52 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who hasn't been to a qa team irc meeting before? 19:05:21 <Benmc> no new names on the list 19:05:24 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * M5 -> M6 upgrade, driver support for old video cards, how old? 19:05:41 <wilcal> At what point do we cut this off? 19:05:56 <DavidWHodgins> So far we have sis and some nvidia cards 19:06:14 <wilcal> This is holding up M6.1 right 19:06:45 <DavidWHodgins> This is for a warning we'll be sending out for Mageia 5 kde4 users, with the recommendation that they have an alternate desktop environment installed before upgrading 19:07:21 <Benmc> one of my lappya has intel, x86 ok, but i586 boots to black background with bubbling cauldron 19:07:24 <ca-on-adam> I have a desktop PC with an ATI card if that is an unknown hardware configuation we need to know about 19:07:33 <wilcal> I'm in favor of that 19:07:40 <tarazed_> Does that mean older cards should work for Mate and GNOME? 19:08:03 <DavidWHodgins> Don't know about gnome, but should work with mate or xfce for sure. 19:08:06 <kekePower> does the KDE team have a minimum requirement posted anywhere? 19:08:10 <wilcal> All my platforms, including this old lappy, are happy on M6 Plasma. One with an Nvidia framebuffer 19:08:13 <DavidWHodgins> May require using the vesa driver 19:08:48 <DavidWHodgins> kekePower: Not that I know of 19:09:23 <kekePower> DavidWHodgins: OK 19:09:46 <DavidWHodgins> It's a bit weird as my 6 year old ati radeon card is ok, but some newer cards are not 19:10:09 <kekePower> could it be a configuration/compilation issue? 19:10:14 <wilcal> My nvidia card is like 7-years old and it's fine 19:10:50 <DavidWHodgins> kekePower: No. It's something in the video drivers that kde needs but isn't getting, as far as I understand it. 19:11:23 <DavidWHodgins> Or possibly something the driver claims to support, but doesn't actually support in the way kde is trying to use it. 19:11:27 <kekePower> DavidWHodgins: Let's just call it a bug 19:12:07 <kekePower> but we all know Plasma is a hog 19:12:17 <DavidWHodgins> I'll think about it some more and write something up. I'll post it to the qa-discuss ml before sending it out to forums, atelier, etc. 19:12:21 <ca-on-adam> I have a bunch of older computers but I can work on that one with the ATI card first if we don't have any reports about that yet. 19:12:24 <wilcal> We're just getting pressure on M7 and that's not predictable until M6.1 is turned loose 19:13:21 <DavidWHodgins> #info I'll post a write up about the kde plasma video card problems to the qa-discuss ml before sending it out to forums, atelier, etc. 19:13:47 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Mageia 6.1 and turning on mgaapplet 19:14:04 <DavidWHodgins> bug 21340 is the tracker 19:14:10 <[mbot> Bug: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21340 19:14:16 <DavidWHodgins> lol 19:14:24 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. No mbot today 19:15:02 <kekePower> after having read the emails, it looks like we're getting really close now 19:15:20 <DavidWHodgins> There is one, bug 23222, that is a minor fix. Once that's done, I think we can go ahead and start building the 6.1 iso images. 19:15:27 <[mbot> Bug: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23222 19:15:32 <Benmc> sorry folks, got to go. try to be back later 19:15:40 <DavidWHodgins> Benmc: Ok. Thanks for being here 19:15:41 <wilcal> Please 19:16:01 <DavidWHodgins> That one is about a kdeplasma-addons package conflict during upgrade 19:17:08 <DavidWHodgins> bug 21433, about the downloads folder having utf-8 characters causing problem, I think we can recommend just having as an errata item warning users not to do that. 19:17:11 <[mbot> Bug: ['Update failure when RPM download folder includes UTF-8 characters', 'ASSIGNED', 'Thierry Vignaud'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21433 19:17:38 <DavidWHodgins> Unless it can be fixed easily/quickly. 19:18:19 <kekePower> I thought that one was fixed, then re-introduced somehow 19:18:35 <DavidWHodgins> Assuming bug 23222 can be fixed by then, I'd like to call for a council meeting for next Tuesday to recommend starting with the 6.1 iso image creation. 19:18:41 <[mbot> Bug: ['During upgrade of mga5/kde4 system to mga6, kdeplasma-addons packages conflict', 'NEW', 'KDE maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23222 19:18:52 <wilcal> I second that David 19:19:05 <wilcal> Time to move on 19:19:32 <DavidWHodgins> Most of the plasma conflicts have been fixed. That one is for a package not installed by default, so not present on most m5 systems. 19:20:01 <DavidWHodgins> That's why it didn't show up in our prior testing. 19:20:04 <wilcal> I am having great success here M5 -> M6 upgrade 19:20:19 <wilcal> and that starting from the original M5 CI 19:20:23 <DavidWHodgins> #info Assuming bug 23222 can be fixed by then, I'd like to call for a council meeting for next Tuesday to recommend starting with the 6.1 iso image creation. 19:20:25 <[mbot> Bug: ['During upgrade of mga5/kde4 system to mga6, kdeplasma-addons packages conflict', 'NEW', 'KDE maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23222 19:21:05 <DavidWHodgins> My upgrade tests were done with copies of my prior qa test install, so had a very large number of packages installed. 19:21:37 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing updates - Any questions or problems, long list 19:21:49 <DavidWHodgins> Oops. Short list this week. :-) 19:22:05 <wilcal> Note to all: I found the M6 mirrors.kernel.org repo busted this morning 19:22:18 <wilcal> cauldron seemed ok 19:22:24 <DavidWHodgins> In what way? Not responding? 19:22:45 <wilcal> Reported, repeatedly, max users are 75 I think 19:22:54 <wilcal> I think it's been that way for awile 19:23:49 <wilcal> i changed to the repo at Princeton and that worked fine 19:23:57 <DavidWHodgins> First I've heard about it. My main install uses princeton, but several of my vb guests still use kernel.org. It was ok last night (about 14 hours ago now). 19:24:44 <tarazed_> Hi Brian 19:24:51 <bria_n> HI All - sorry I'm late 19:24:59 <DavidWHodgins> I don't remember having tested cantata before. Will have to look at it to see what it is. 19:25:07 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa bria_n 19:25:08 <tarazed_> So, short list; ideal time for iso testing. 19:25:24 <bria_n> cantata - interesting music engine 19:25:39 <wilcal> Another issue I've been stressing over is running Kwrite in an su terminal 19:25:43 <kekePower> I'd like to introduce a few packages to support the image format the new iPhone uses. HEIF/HEIC 19:25:50 <DavidWHodgins> If you've used it before, feel free to test the update. :-) 19:25:55 <wilcal> that no longer works or allowed 19:25:57 <kekePower> Having tested it locally with Imagemagick 19:26:02 <bria_n> is there another? 19:26:12 <wilcal> the suggested work around does not work either 19:26:37 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: That's a decision by the kde plasma folks. 19:27:13 <hviaene> yes, like dolphin 19:27:15 <DavidWHodgins> My recommendation is to use gedit or leafpad instead. Don't forget the - when using su. 19:27:34 <bria_n> DavidWHodgins: only question is whether to include sqlite/QT5 modules. 19:27:52 <bria_n> on cantata. It works, but not all dependencies are in place 19:28:08 <wilcal> Yup, and still causing lots of hate and discontent 19:28:15 <bria_n> so it takes tweaking 19:28:51 <bria_n> wilcal: ha - just use "vi" 19:28:53 <bria_n> LOL 19:29:12 <wilcal> I re-learned nano and that's fine and is one step up from VI 19:29:24 <wilcal> do you have any idea how old VI is? 19:29:29 <wilcal> God 19:29:46 <kekePower> that's why I'm using Neovim 19:29:52 <bria_n> maybe younger than that... ;-) I use it occassionally and it still makes me swear 19:30:00 <DavidWHodgins> bria_n: WIthout looking further into it, I suspect it can be configured to use a variety of database engines, so forcing any particular one would not be good. 19:30:29 <tarazed_> emacs is OK 19:30:31 <wilcal> My O'Reilly VI book was published in 1999 19:30:37 <DavidWHodgins> So it's ok for it not to have the requires. Also, it's not a regression. 19:30:39 <bria_n> hmm it defaults to sqlite without asking, so it just fails. Just need to reply in list is fine 19:30:43 <tarazed_> Checked kwrite and it does not work 19:30:55 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else? 19:30:55 <bria_n> I was using vi back in the early 90's 19:31:05 <DavidWHodgins> Since we're already on that topic. :-) 19:31:17 <bria_n> yea 19:31:21 <DavidWHodgins> I prefer mcedit. Aka mc -e 19:31:29 <wilcal> I used VI in Solaris 19:31:39 <wilcal> SlowAris as it was called 19:32:07 <wilcal> Anyway lots of hate and discontent in the KDE group over all this 19:32:11 <bria_n> on Cantata - just need a decision. It works and if we are okay with the dependency gap it is good 19:32:25 <bria_n> wilcal: I could guess 19:32:27 <DavidWHodgins> Decision is that it's ok 19:32:40 <bria_n> not to add QT5-sqlite module. 19:32:49 <bria_n> as a dependency. 19:32:53 <wilcal> I have nothing else 19:33:08 <DavidWHodgins> You can open a new bug report if it concerns you, but it's not a regression so can't block the update. 19:33:34 <bria_n> np - can you add your okay with our testing then. hviene and I both confirmed it will work 19:33:42 <hviaene> Cantate; agree 19:33:44 <bria_n> <spelling> sorry 19:34:01 <DavidWHodgins> Will do. I'll add the advisory to svn after this meeting, then validate the update. 19:34:12 <bria_n> thx 19:34:26 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like countdown time then. 19:34:30 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5 19:34:34 <wilcal> Super everyone 19:34:35 <DavidWHodgins> 4 19:34:39 <wilcal> bye all 19:34:39 <DavidWHodgins> 3 19:34:41 <bria_n> by all 19:34:42 <DavidWHodgins> 2 19:34:42 <tarazed_> Bye folks 19:34:44 <DavidWHodgins> 1 19:34:44 <hviaene> G'night all 19:34:52 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone 19:34:58 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting