19:03:05 <wilcal> #startmeeting 19:03:05 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu May 31 19:03:05 2018 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:03:05 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:03:19 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith 19:03:19 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal 19:03:31 <wilcal> in case I bounce out 19:03:39 <lewyssmith> Understood. 19:03:44 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 19:03:51 <wilcal> Anyone new here today? 19:04:56 <Benmc> crickets 19:05:42 <wilcal> then on to 19:06:15 <wilcal> #topic i586 vs x86_64 conflicts after Grand Update 19:06:37 <wilcal> So we pushed the kernel and Vbox updates and I'm seeing that ok 19:06:50 <wilcal> but these conflicts are a problem 19:07:01 <MrsB> len mentioned gwenview, possibly similar 19:07:11 <wilcal> effecting M5 -> M6 updates and of course no netinstall 19:07:27 <wilcal> Also IMO will effect the ability to move to M6.1 19:08:05 <wilcal> I have to ask tmb if there is a problem with the person working on this understanding how to fix this 19:08:35 <wilcal> I tried a netinstall this morning and ran into the same problem 19:08:40 <wilcal> lots of conflicts 19:08:55 <lewyssmith> tarazed_, Hello Len. 19:09:05 <tmb> wilcal, have you filed bugs for the conflicts ? 19:09:21 <tarazed_> Hi Lewis. Just got your note. Talk later. 19:09:21 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23016 & 23037 19:09:24 <[mbot> [ 23016 – 749 update packages installation failed (conflicts between lib64kf5jobwidgets5-5.42.0-1.mga6.x86_64 and libkf5jobwidgets5-5.32.0-1.mga6.i586) ] 19:10:17 <wilcal> Martin has offered suggestions and is heling but for some reason this is just not getting fixed 19:10:52 <lewyssmith> That matters. 19:11:00 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23037 19:11:03 <[mbot> [ 23037 – netinstall fails after Grand Update ] 19:12:11 <wilcal> I think if Dave were here he would indicate this is the root cause for some of the problems with a M5 -> M6 update now 19:12:51 <lewyssmith> MrsB, Claire? 19:12:53 <wilcal> If you disable the 32-bit repo you get a clean install but lots of basic things don't work like autologin 19:13:01 <MrsB> sorry 19:13:08 <lewyssmith> Your view. 19:13:35 <wilcal> We can't solve this here but until it gets fixed it's kinda like a big lump of coal in our system 19:13:40 <tarazed_> If you leave out Plasma all is well even with 32 bit repo. 19:13:56 <wilcal> That's probably ture 19:13:56 <MrsB> It's possible to test by installing 32bit libs in ma5 and upgrading, but that can also bedone in mga6 19:14:24 <MrsB> it needs fixing before 6.1really 19:14:29 <wilcal> If you install using the CI or Live media and update that install that works fine 19:14:31 <Benmc> sorry, got to go. may be back later 19:14:44 <tarazed_> See you Ben 19:14:47 <wilcal> Thats the message I'm trying to make here 19:15:03 <MrsB> just make sure everything has a bug report 19:15:14 <wilcal> Who's working the problem, are they technically challanged or have other issues or what 19:15:31 <MrsB> no, that's not really fair. It just needs tests 19:15:31 <lewyssmith> Careful, Bill. 19:15:37 <wilcal> both reports have an abundance of attachments and information 19:16:06 <wilcal> Sorry my old exec brain is coming back. I don't want to be discrespectful of anyone 19:16:20 <wilcal> I'm sure someone is working hard on this 19:16:27 <MrsB> People are on holidayat the moment, needs patience 19:16:55 <wilcal> As MrsB said we're kinda stuck here and not able to move on M6.1 19:16:56 <MrsB> it'd be good to work out a script to test libs for this kind of thing 19:17:36 <MrsB> the gwenview one appeared to be l10n files in the lib, from lens email 19:18:04 <tarazed_> I should have taken down the details. 19:18:17 <MrsB> do you still have access to the log len? 19:18:32 <lewyssmith> Where is it kept? 19:18:45 <tarazed_> Not sure. been working on so many machines and partitions. Shall search. 19:18:48 <wilcal> Martin attached the logs to 23037 19:19:01 <MrsB> check /root/drakx/ddebug.log or possibly ddebug2.log 19:19:09 <tarazed_> OK 19:19:17 <lewyssmith> Thanks. 19:19:35 <wilcal> It's easily reproducable in a Vbox client and a remote repo as your source 19:19:46 <MrsB> that's assuming it was an uprade with drakx of course 19:19:55 <MrsB> if not then the journal should have details 19:20:08 <rindolf> hi all 19:20:18 <tarazed_> Evening Shlomi 19:20:19 <lewyssmith> Ah. Not the same as mgaapplet? 19:20:20 <rindolf> sorry i am late 19:20:22 <MrsB> hi rindolf 19:20:26 <rindolf> tarazed_: thanks 19:20:30 <rindolf> MrsB: meow 19:20:32 <wilcal> Same situation will occur if you do a netinstall on real hardware 19:21:01 <MrsB> mgaapplet uses drakx so should generate a ddebug.log. IIRC the uprade createsa new one ddebug2.log 19:21:15 <MrsB> bad kb sorry 19:21:31 <lewyssmith> I will soon find out! 19:21:54 <MrsB> yellon the ML if you get stuck 19:21:58 <MrsB> yell on 19:23:18 <brian__> hi all 19:23:24 <wilcal> hi brian 19:23:28 <MrsB> hi brian 19:23:35 <wilcal> Lets officialy put this in the log 19:23:37 <wilcal> #topic M5 -> M6 upgrade process 19:23:57 <brian__> anybody else having mirror issues with the upgrade? 19:24:01 <wilcal> so the plasma side of this is said to suffer from these conflicts 19:24:17 <MrsB> need logs to show it though 19:25:36 <lewyssmith> I am poised to test a massive upgrade. Where to stick the outcome? Does tmb want a bug per person? I would like an umbrella bug on MADB we can add to. 19:25:47 <brian__> tried it yesterday same thing. Though I didn't post to bug 19:25:48 <brian__> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23086 19:25:50 <[mbot> [ 23086 – MGAonline upgrade 5 to 6 Failures, probably caused by broken dacentec.com mirror ] 19:26:22 <MrsB> just create one lewis and designate itthe tracker bug, add the others to it 19:26:56 <tarazed_> Hi there Stig 19:27:00 <kekePower> howdy 19:27:28 <kekePower> meeting over? 19:27:34 <brian__> no 19:27:38 <lewyssmith> MrsB, Assign it to QA to make it show on madb? 19:27:39 <tmb> lewyssmith, not a bug / person, but a bug / issue ... and as MrsB say create a tracker bug that references all bugs 19:27:44 <wilcal> hello keke 19:27:54 <kekePower> hi wilcal :-) 19:28:01 <MrsB> not necessary really but up to you. everyone will see it if you do :) 19:28:16 <wilcal> we're discussing M5 > M6 upgrades 19:28:36 <lewyssmith> There are already several similar bugs, I think. Confusing. 19:28:53 <kekePower> I have a vm with mga5 installed and was thinking about doing this upgrade. Don't use KDE on it, so I guess it should run smooth 19:29:12 <MrsB> Marja can help with that lewis 19:29:26 <lewyssmith> I like asking Marja for help. 19:29:33 <MrsB> :) 19:29:52 * MrsB lurking again 19:30:04 <rindolf> wilcal: i ran into this - https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23022 19:30:06 <[mbot> [ 23022 – mageia 5.1 KDE4 live->6 x86-64 vbox net upgrade results in non starting DM and screen flicker (modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'vboxvideo': Invalid argument) ] 19:30:22 <tmb> and we should probably flush out the https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23065 and the updated meta-task to get updates to behave a bit better 19:30:24 <[mbot> [ 23065 – libwacom2: 32-bit and 64-bit packages conflict ] 19:31:24 <MrsB> need a script to rip through all the libsreally and find them all 19:31:33 <MrsB> libs really 19:31:55 <wilcal> Ya IMHO a lot of this is related 19:32:56 <MrsB> similar to depcheck :) 19:34:52 <wilcal> Anyway I think these things are well documented and people are working on them 19:35:06 <wilcal> and your probably right people are on Holiday 19:35:32 <wilcal> New clean installs and updates from CI or Live media work great 19:35:40 <MrsB> if i get a chance i will hack at it 19:36:03 <wilcal> The latest Vbox and kernel updates went through fine 19:36:50 <wilcal> Lets move to 19:36:51 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates 19:36:59 <wilcal> Lemme look at the list 19:37:33 <wilcal> Opps the kernel hasn't been pushed yet 19:37:48 <wilcal> Are we pretty comfortable with where it's at tmb? 19:38:09 <wilcal> After that Vbox driver thingy got fixed it looks great hee 19:38:11 <wilcal> here 19:38:46 <tmb> I'm going to flush out the kernels tonight 19:39:09 <wilcal> I'll run a full retest this weekend 19:39:37 <wilcal> So you'll push them tmb? 19:39:54 <tarazed_> libvirt can probably move on, libwacom maybe. 19:41:17 <wilcal> I can test the 32-bit version of wireshark and that can be pushed 19:41:19 <tarazed_> There is still an open question on drakxtools 19:41:26 <wilcal> so the list is shortening some 19:44:31 <wilcal> So continue to peck away at the list 19:44:55 <wilcal> Lets move on to: 19:44:56 <wilcal> #topic Anything else? 19:45:07 * Luigi12_work is a month behind on filing security bugs, just FYI 19:45:17 <wilcal> OMG 19:45:21 <kekePower> shaite 19:45:37 <MrsB> sorry for being a lurker today 19:45:39 <lewyssmith> wilcal, I will have, Bill. 19:45:40 <tarazed_> No hurry 19:46:18 <tarazed_> MrsB ? What does that make soe of us? 19:46:23 <kekePower> I was just about to mention that Luigi12_work was pushing sec-ups faster than we could possibly fix them 19:46:40 <MrsB> awesome :) 19:46:54 <wilcal> The heat gods have arrived here and 40C days are becoming the norm 19:47:12 <tarazed_> So you need more beer 19:47:22 <wilcal> Ice Cream 19:47:55 <kekePower> gkrellm reports that it's ambient temp is 26c atm 19:48:10 <wilcal> Sounds like 2AM temps here 19:48:22 <wilcal> Anything else 19:48:32 * kekePower got sun burnt today 19:48:35 <tarazed_> 15°C in Edinburgh 19:48:37 <lewyssmith> I have just posted my 'retirement' from full time QA. This should be my last IRC. The fact that Bruckner's mighty 7th is in progress (I have good equipment, turned up loud) has to be a good omen. 19:49:06 <kekePower> lewyssmith: sad to see you go 19:49:25 <lewyssmith> Not entirely entirely, but mostly. 19:49:26 <wilcal> The Board listing is now at the final 6 so i think that's where it will settle at 19:50:03 <wilcal> Oh to make things more difficult I have a Trade Show to attend next Thursday so I won't be here 19:50:47 <kekePower> wilcal: That's a good trade off 19:50:57 <wilcal> In Aug the World Star Trek trade show is here and that'll be on a Wed for me 19:51:09 <wilcal> Trekkes from all over the world will be here 19:51:22 <kekePower> wish I had the money to go 19:51:25 <wilcal> Next week is a professional Audio/Video show 19:51:33 <tmb> lewyssmith, thanks for all your hard work so far 19:51:39 <Luigi12_work> seconded 19:51:46 <kekePower> seconded 19:51:47 <lewyssmith> Thanks for yours always. 19:51:51 <wilcal> Thank you lewys for all you've done 19:51:57 <rindolf> lewyssmith: thanks and bye 19:52:02 <wilcal> hope to see you here when you can 19:52:02 <Benmc> sorry to see you retire, Lewis. best wishes and thanks for mentoring me 19:52:12 <lewyssmith> Really? 19:52:26 <wilcal> We'll i'm retired too 19:52:30 <wilcal> :-) 19:52:49 <wilcal> Count down time 19:52:54 <wilcal> T-5 19:53:01 <lewyssmith> Benmc, I meant: did I really? And you are still here. 19:53:14 <wilcal> T-4 19:53:21 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone. 19:53:21 <tarazed_> We all have to go sometime Lewis. All the best mate and many thanks. 19:53:24 <Benmc> yes, I got that 19:53:34 <wilcal> T-3 19:53:48 <tarazed_> Bye y'all 19:53:53 <wilcal> T-2 19:53:56 <wilcal> bye all 19:53:58 <wilcal> T-1 19:54:01 <kekePower> cheerio 19:54:07 <wilcal> #endmeeting