19:03:05 <wilcal> #startmeeting
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19:03:19 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
19:03:19 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
19:03:31 <wilcal> in case I bounce out
19:03:39 <lewyssmith> Understood.
19:03:44 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:03:51 <wilcal> Anyone new here today?
19:04:56 <Benmc> crickets
19:05:42 <wilcal> then on to
19:06:15 <wilcal> #topic i586 vs x86_64 conflicts after Grand Update
19:06:37 <wilcal> So we pushed the kernel and Vbox updates and I'm seeing that ok
19:06:50 <wilcal> but these conflicts are a problem
19:07:01 <MrsB> len mentioned gwenview, possibly similar
19:07:11 <wilcal> effecting M5 -> M6 updates and of course no netinstall
19:07:27 <wilcal> Also IMO will effect the ability to move to M6.1
19:08:05 <wilcal> I have to ask tmb if there is a problem with the person working on this understanding how to fix this
19:08:35 <wilcal> I tried a netinstall this morning and ran into the same problem
19:08:40 <wilcal> lots of conflicts
19:08:55 <lewyssmith> tarazed_, Hello Len.
19:09:05 <tmb> wilcal, have you filed bugs for the conflicts ?
19:09:21 <tarazed_> Hi Lewis.  Just got your note.  Talk later.
19:09:21 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23016 & 23037
19:09:24 <[mbot> [ 23016 – 749 update packages installation failed (conflicts between lib64kf5jobwidgets5-5.42.0-1.mga6.x86_64 and libkf5jobwidgets5-5.32.0-1.mga6.i586) ]
19:10:17 <wilcal> Martin has offered suggestions and is heling but for some reason this is just not getting fixed
19:10:52 <lewyssmith> That matters.
19:11:00 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23037
19:11:03 <[mbot> [ 23037 – netinstall fails after Grand Update ]
19:12:11 <wilcal> I think if Dave were here he would indicate this is the root cause for some of the problems with a M5 -> M6 update now
19:12:51 <lewyssmith> MrsB, Claire?
19:12:53 <wilcal> If you disable the 32-bit repo you get a clean install but lots of basic things don't work like autologin
19:13:01 <MrsB> sorry
19:13:08 <lewyssmith> Your view.
19:13:35 <wilcal> We can't solve this here but until it gets fixed it's kinda like a big lump of coal in our system
19:13:40 <tarazed_> If you leave out Plasma all is well even with 32 bit repo.
19:13:56 <wilcal> That's probably ture
19:13:56 <MrsB> It's possible to test by installing 32bit libs in ma5 and upgrading, but that can also bedone in mga6
19:14:24 <MrsB> it needs fixing before 6.1really
19:14:29 <wilcal> If you install using the CI or Live media and update that install that works fine
19:14:31 <Benmc> sorry, got to go. may be back later
19:14:44 <tarazed_> See you Ben
19:14:47 <wilcal> Thats the message I'm trying to make here
19:15:03 <MrsB> just make sure everything has a bug report
19:15:14 <wilcal> Who's working the problem, are they technically challanged or have other issues or what
19:15:31 <MrsB> no, that's not really fair. It just needs tests
19:15:31 <lewyssmith> Careful, Bill.
19:15:37 <wilcal> both reports have an abundance of attachments and information
19:16:06 <wilcal> Sorry my old exec brain is coming back. I don't want to be discrespectful of anyone
19:16:20 <wilcal> I'm sure someone is working hard on this
19:16:27 <MrsB> People are on holidayat the moment, needs patience
19:16:55 <wilcal> As MrsB said we're kinda stuck here and not able to move on M6.1
19:16:56 <MrsB> it'd be good to work out a script to test libs for this kind of thing
19:17:36 <MrsB> the gwenview one appeared to be l10n files in the lib, from lens email
19:18:04 <tarazed_> I should have taken down the details.
19:18:17 <MrsB> do you still have access to the log len?
19:18:32 <lewyssmith> Where is it kept?
19:18:45 <tarazed_> Not sure.  been working on so many machines and partitions.  Shall search.
19:18:48 <wilcal> Martin attached the logs to 23037
19:19:01 <MrsB> check /root/drakx/ddebug.log or possibly ddebug2.log
19:19:09 <tarazed_> OK
19:19:17 <lewyssmith> Thanks.
19:19:35 <wilcal> It's easily reproducable in a Vbox client and a remote repo as your source
19:19:46 <MrsB> that's assuming it was an uprade with drakx of course
19:19:55 <MrsB> if not then the journal should have details
19:20:08 <rindolf> hi all
19:20:18 <tarazed_> Evening Shlomi
19:20:19 <lewyssmith> Ah. Not the same as mgaapplet?
19:20:20 <rindolf> sorry i am late
19:20:22 <MrsB> hi rindolf
19:20:26 <rindolf> tarazed_: thanks
19:20:30 <rindolf> MrsB: meow
19:20:32 <wilcal> Same situation will occur if you do a netinstall on real hardware
19:21:01 <MrsB> mgaapplet uses drakx so should generate a ddebug.log. IIRC the uprade createsa new one ddebug2.log
19:21:15 <MrsB> bad kb sorry
19:21:31 <lewyssmith> I will soon find out!
19:21:54 <MrsB> yellon the ML if you get stuck
19:21:58 <MrsB> yell on
19:23:18 <brian__> hi all
19:23:24 <wilcal> hi brian
19:23:28 <MrsB> hi brian
19:23:35 <wilcal> Lets officialy put this in the log
19:23:37 <wilcal> #topic M5 -> M6 upgrade process
19:23:57 <brian__> anybody else having mirror issues with the upgrade?
19:24:01 <wilcal> so the plasma side of this is said to suffer from these conflicts
19:24:17 <MrsB> need logs to show it though
19:25:36 <lewyssmith> I am poised to test a massive upgrade. Where to stick the outcome? Does tmb want a bug per person? I would like an umbrella bug on MADB we can add to.
19:25:47 <brian__> tried it yesterday same thing.  Though I didn't post to bug
19:25:48 <brian__> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23086
19:25:50 <[mbot> [ 23086 – MGAonline upgrade 5 to 6 Failures, probably caused by broken dacentec.com mirror ]
19:26:22 <MrsB> just create one lewis and designate itthe tracker bug, add the others to it
19:26:56 <tarazed_> Hi there Stig
19:27:00 <kekePower> howdy
19:27:28 <kekePower> meeting over?
19:27:34 <brian__> no
19:27:38 <lewyssmith> MrsB, Assign it to QA to make it show on madb?
19:27:39 <tmb> lewyssmith, not a bug / person, but a bug / issue  ... and as MrsB say create a tracker bug that references all bugs
19:27:44 <wilcal> hello keke
19:27:54 <kekePower> hi wilcal :-)
19:28:01 <MrsB> not necessary really but up to you. everyone will see it if you do :)
19:28:16 <wilcal> we're discussing M5 > M6 upgrades
19:28:36 <lewyssmith> There are already several similar bugs, I think. Confusing.
19:28:53 <kekePower> I have a vm with mga5 installed and was thinking about doing this upgrade. Don't use KDE on it, so I guess it should run smooth
19:29:12 <MrsB> Marja can help with that lewis
19:29:26 <lewyssmith> I like asking Marja for help.
19:29:33 <MrsB> :)
19:29:52 * MrsB lurking again
19:30:04 <rindolf> wilcal: i ran into this - https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23022
19:30:06 <[mbot> [ 23022 – mageia 5.1 KDE4 live->6 x86-64 vbox net upgrade results in non starting DM and screen flicker (modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'vboxvideo': Invalid argument) ]
19:30:22 <tmb> and we should probably flush out the https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23065 and the updated meta-task to get updates to behave a bit better
19:30:24 <[mbot> [ 23065 – libwacom2: 32-bit and 64-bit packages conflict ]
19:31:24 <MrsB> need a script to rip through all the libsreally and find them all
19:31:33 <MrsB> libs really
19:31:55 <wilcal> Ya IMHO a lot of this is related
19:32:56 <MrsB> similar to depcheck :)
19:34:52 <wilcal> Anyway I think these things are well documented and people are working on them
19:35:06 <wilcal> and your probably right people are on Holiday
19:35:32 <wilcal> New clean installs and updates from CI or Live media work great
19:35:40 <MrsB> if i get a chance i will hack at it
19:36:03 <wilcal> The latest Vbox and kernel updates went through fine
19:36:50 <wilcal> Lets move to
19:36:51 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates
19:36:59 <wilcal> Lemme look at the list
19:37:33 <wilcal> Opps the kernel hasn't been pushed yet
19:37:48 <wilcal> Are we pretty comfortable with where it's at tmb?
19:38:09 <wilcal> After that Vbox driver thingy got fixed it looks great hee
19:38:11 <wilcal> here
19:38:46 <tmb> I'm going to flush out the kernels tonight
19:39:09 <wilcal> I'll run a full retest this weekend
19:39:37 <wilcal> So you'll push them tmb?
19:39:54 <tarazed_> libvirt can probably move on, libwacom maybe.
19:41:17 <wilcal> I can test the 32-bit version of wireshark and that can be pushed
19:41:19 <tarazed_> There is still an open question on drakxtools
19:41:26 <wilcal> so the list is shortening some
19:44:31 <wilcal> So continue to peck away at the list
19:44:55 <wilcal> Lets move on to:
19:44:56 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
19:45:07 * Luigi12_work is a month behind on filing security bugs, just FYI
19:45:17 <wilcal> OMG
19:45:21 <kekePower> shaite
19:45:37 <MrsB> sorry for being a lurker today
19:45:39 <lewyssmith> wilcal, I will have, Bill.
19:45:40 <tarazed_> No hurry
19:46:18 <tarazed_> MrsB ? What does that make soe of us?
19:46:23 <kekePower> I was just about to mention that Luigi12_work was pushing sec-ups faster than we could possibly fix them
19:46:40 <MrsB> awesome :)
19:46:54 <wilcal> The heat gods have arrived here and 40C days are becoming the norm
19:47:12 <tarazed_> So you need more beer
19:47:22 <wilcal> Ice Cream
19:47:55 <kekePower> gkrellm reports that it's ambient temp is 26c atm
19:48:10 <wilcal> Sounds like 2AM temps here
19:48:22 <wilcal> Anything else
19:48:32 * kekePower got sun burnt today
19:48:35 <tarazed_> 15°C in Edinburgh
19:48:37 <lewyssmith> I have just posted my 'retirement' from full time QA. This should be my last IRC. The fact that Bruckner's mighty 7th is in progress (I have good equipment, turned up loud) has to be a good omen.
19:49:06 <kekePower> lewyssmith: sad to see you go
19:49:25 <lewyssmith> Not  entirely entirely, but mostly.
19:49:26 <wilcal> The Board listing is now at the final 6 so i think that's where it will settle at
19:50:03 <wilcal> Oh to make things more difficult I have a Trade Show to attend next Thursday so I won't be here
19:50:47 <kekePower> wilcal: That's a good trade off
19:50:57 <wilcal> In Aug the World Star Trek trade show is here and that'll be on a Wed for me
19:51:09 <wilcal> Trekkes from all over the world will be here
19:51:22 <kekePower> wish I had the money to go
19:51:25 <wilcal> Next week is a professional Audio/Video show
19:51:33 <tmb> lewyssmith, thanks for all your hard work so far
19:51:39 <Luigi12_work> seconded
19:51:46 <kekePower> seconded
19:51:47 <lewyssmith> Thanks for yours always.
19:51:51 <wilcal> Thank you lewys for all you've done
19:51:57 <rindolf> lewyssmith: thanks and bye
19:52:02 <wilcal> hope to see you here when you can
19:52:02 <Benmc> sorry to see you retire, Lewis. best wishes and thanks for mentoring me
19:52:12 <lewyssmith> Really?
19:52:26 <wilcal> We'll i'm retired too
19:52:30 <wilcal> :-)
19:52:49 <wilcal> Count down time
19:52:54 <wilcal> T-5
19:53:01 <lewyssmith> Benmc, I meant: did I really? And you are still here.
19:53:14 <wilcal> T-4
19:53:21 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone.
19:53:21 <tarazed_> We all have to go sometime Lewis.  All the best mate and many thanks.
19:53:24 <Benmc> yes, I got that
19:53:34 <wilcal> T-3
19:53:48 <tarazed_> Bye y'all
19:53:53 <wilcal> T-2
19:53:56 <wilcal> bye all
19:53:58 <wilcal> T-1
19:54:01 <kekePower> cheerio
19:54:07 <wilcal> #endmeeting