19:03:46 <wilcal> #startmeeting
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19:03:55 <kekePower> hi all
19:04:12 <wilcal> #chair MrsB
19:04:12 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: MrsB wilcal
19:04:18 <wilcal> there so she's official
19:04:19 <lewyssmith> kekePower, Hello Stig. You are doing great things
19:04:24 <MrsB> hi everyone. lurking isn't oging very well :)
19:04:31 <kekePower> thanks a lot lewyssmith :-)
19:04:42 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:04:55 <MrsB> o/
19:05:00 <wilcal> Anyone new here today. Lots of old timers
19:05:14 <lewyssmith> Do not see any unknown names.
19:05:22 <kekePower> me neither
19:05:47 <MrsB> what's first on the list
19:06:16 <MrsB> #topic i586 vs x86_64 conflicts after Grand Update
19:06:43 <lewyssmith> That was a very minor thing all things considered,
19:06:43 <MrsB> The grand update seemed to go well, apart from a some issues with libraries
19:06:46 <wilcal> could someone explain what's going on here
19:07:05 <lewyssmith> tarazed_, Hello Len. You make almost a full house.
19:07:29 <tarazed_> Hi lewis.  How many's that then?
19:07:33 <MrsB> it was file conflicts due to both 32bit and 64bit libraries having translation files in them IINM
19:07:34 <wilcal> When I started to test tmb's new kernel I ran right into this
19:08:10 <lewyssmith> Into what?
19:08:12 <wilcal> If you use a Live-DVD or CI your fine. netinstall falls down
19:08:23 <wilcal> rather dramatically
19:08:45 <lewyssmith> We will find this in 3.1 testing.
19:08:49 <lewyssmith> 6.1
19:08:51 <MrsB> Were the fixed lib's pushed, seem to remember seeing them go throuhg
19:09:06 <wilcal> Testing this morning tells me it's still there
19:09:09 <lewyssmith> Me too; I think Nicolas said so.
19:09:11 <MrsB> you'll have to excuse me bein a bit out of the loop
19:09:20 <MrsB> and bad G key
19:09:47 <kekePower> MrsB: you just hit the bad G spot, that's all
19:09:52 <kekePower> :)
19:10:02 <MrsB> ahh that must be it!
19:10:27 <wilcal> Problem is the same even if i use mirrors.kernel.org
19:10:43 <kekePower> I think Nicolas mentioned something about an update being pushed
19:10:47 <wilcal> and even after waiting a couple days to make sure it's all sync'd up
19:10:57 <MrsB> on the 16th there were a number of K packaes pushed, are there still issues? If so then best to report on the bug
19:11:03 <kekePower> something about splitting the docs into noarch packages
19:11:08 <wilcal> I thought it would be in there today but it failed for the same reason for me today
19:11:45 <wilcal> It's a bit frightening 1st time you see it which for me was right after the Grand Update
19:12:15 <wilcal> Then I found that the live media and CI were fine
19:12:22 <MrsB> bug 23016 and bug 23037
19:12:24 <[mbot> Bug: ['749 update packages installation failed (conflicts between lib64kf5jobwidgets5-5.42.0-1.mga6.x86_64 and libkf5jobwidgets5-5.32.0-1.mga6.i586)', 'RESOLVED', 'KDE maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23016
19:12:25 <[mbot> Bug: ['netinstall fails after Grand Update', 'NEW', 'Mageia Bug Squad'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23037
19:12:26 <wilcal> yes
19:12:55 <Benmc> sorry. got to go, try to be back later
19:13:03 <wilcal> bye ben
19:13:06 <lewyssmith> Goodbye, Ben.
19:13:21 <MrsB> bye Benmc, ood to see you
19:13:24 <wilcal> So Martin tells me people are working on this
19:13:25 <MrsB> +
19:13:27 <MrsB> g
19:13:37 <kekePower> Anybody know what an Ood is?
19:13:38 <tjandrews> Bye, Ben
19:13:57 <wilcal> I like to use netinstall as it saves a lot of time after 1st install
19:14:12 <kekePower> comes from Doctor Who :-)
19:14:20 <kekePower> I also always use the netinstall
19:14:28 <MrsB> neoclust: could you please see bug 23037 appears to be further lib conflicts
19:14:30 <[mbot> Bug: ['netinstall fails after Grand Update', 'NEW', 'Mageia Bug Squad'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23037
19:14:33 <wilcal> I don't think changing the netinstall file makes any difference
19:14:39 <kekePower> don't want to download the CI every time
19:14:51 <wilcal> I think there's 100's of them
19:15:27 <MrsB> The bug isn't assigned to anybody yet btw
19:15:42 <kekePower> but then again it's also very important to have a stable and updated mirror
19:16:01 <tjandrews> I don't use netinstall. My ISP isn't reliable enough.
19:16:04 <lewyssmith> MrsB, That could have a bearing...
19:16:21 <wilcal> MrsB you said testing for this before release is a problem
19:16:27 <kekePower> tmb: Is it you that builds these files?
19:16:50 <lewyssmith> Which files?
19:16:56 <kekePower> the netinstall ones
19:17:06 <tmb> from a quick look bug 24016 has broken fixes due to rushing and need to be re-done...
19:17:08 <[mbot> Bug: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24016
19:17:29 <tmb> bug 23016 I mean
19:17:31 <[mbot> Bug: ['749 update packages installation failed (conflicts between lib64kf5jobwidgets5-5.42.0-1.mga6.x86_64 and libkf5jobwidgets5-5.32.0-1.mga6.i586)', 'RESOLVED', 'KDE maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23016
19:17:46 <MrsB> wilcal: no, but it's not something we regularly check for that both 32bit and 64bit libs can be installed together. It would be best if the BS could lint check for that
19:18:44 <wilcal> Disabling the 32-bit repo when your doing a netinstall allows for a clean install
19:19:06 <brian_> could that be automated in the netinstall applet?
19:19:25 <brian_> as manual action on the part of the user is optmistic
19:19:27 <lewyssmith> Do I understand that the resolved bug above was not really fixed?
19:20:05 <brian_> the conflict?
19:20:09 <kekePower> lewyssmith:  it was _fixed_ but not correctly, if I understand it right
19:20:12 <brian_> sounds more like an ID's work around
19:20:45 <lewyssmith> MrsB, Claire, can one disable 32-bit repos for 64-bit systems, at least install or upgrade?
19:20:47 <wilcal> Not as of 3-hours ago lewy
19:21:19 <wilcal> That's what Martin told me to try and it worked
19:21:32 <lewyssmith> It might help our upgrade woes.
19:21:32 <neoclust> MrsB: ok let me look
19:22:09 <MrsB> lewyssmith: Yes. It's possible/normal even to install a pure 64bit system. It's usually 3rd prty packages which require 32bit libs on a 64bit system but there are some like wine and steam for instance
19:22:11 <neoclust> MrsB: comment added
19:22:46 * MrsB can't log in atm
19:22:55 <wilcal> When the netinstall is finished I then enable the 32-bit repo and things continue fine
19:23:48 <kekePower> perhaps an idea to push the Repo section to another point in the installer
19:23:58 <wilcal> anyway be aware of the situation
19:24:01 <lewyssmith> Could this netinstall bug have a bearing on 5->6 upgrades?
19:24:15 <wilcal> Maybe I should post somthing on the forum about this
19:24:27 <MrsB> wilcal, looks like los needed for netinstall bug 23037
19:24:28 <kekePower> wilcal: that sounds like a great idea
19:24:28 <[mbot> Bug: ['netinstall fails after Grand Update', 'NEW', 'Mageia Bug Squad'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23037
19:24:31 <MrsB> loGs
19:25:30 <MrsB> a workaround is to uninstall the afected 32bit lib so the files don't conflict with the updated 64bit lib, but that may want to remove other stuff too
19:26:27 <kekePower> MrsB: I don't think that's a good workaround, really, as you mention it may cause other packages to be removed as well and also how to find these packages in the first place
19:27:02 <MrsB> yes,the best workaround is to fix the conflicts, so keep an eye open for those and please prioritise testing
19:27:04 <tmb> I commented about the error in the bug 23016...
19:27:06 <[mbot> Bug: ['749 update packages installation failed (conflicts between lib64kf5jobwidgets5-5.42.0-1.mga6.x86_64 and libkf5jobwidgets5-5.32.0-1.mga6.i586)', 'REOPENED', 'KDE maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23016
19:27:37 <lewyssmith> Can we move on now? We have talked that to death.
19:28:20 <tmb> by all means...
19:28:22 <MrsB> #info bug 23016 reopened for further fixes
19:28:24 <[mbot> Bug: ['749 update packages installation failed (conflicts between lib64kf5jobwidgets5-5.42.0-1.mga6.x86_64 and libkf5jobwidgets5-5.32.0-1.mga6.i586)', 'REOPENED', 'KDE maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23016
19:28:46 <MrsB> #topicTesting updates - Any questions or problems, long list
19:28:49 <MrsB> oops
19:28:55 <MrsB> #topic Testing updates - Any questions or problems, long list
19:29:11 <MrsB> wilcal: what did you want to say?
19:29:25 <wilcal> Sorry one more issue before this one
19:29:42 <wilcal> #topic Update request: kernel-4.14.34-1.mga6
19:29:52 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22909
19:29:54 <[mbot> [ 22909 – Update request: kernel-4.14.40-1.mga6 ]
19:30:16 <wilcal> We need to push this as it's holding up other things like nvidia and Vbox
19:30:23 <wilcal> Any objections
19:30:38 <lewyssmith> I was going to ask Thomas whether he thinks this is good to go.
19:30:46 <tjandrews> I've been running it on my laptop for a while now with no problems.
19:30:56 <wilcal> David will read these notes and he needs to be part of that decision
19:31:19 <lewyssmith> tmb usually decides for kernels.
19:31:50 <wilcal> Make the decision fmb
19:31:54 <wilcal> tmb
19:32:14 <brian_> I just installed 32-bit on old equipment that uses nvidia 304
19:32:17 <brian_> seems to be working
19:32:25 <tmb> yeah, its good to go... there are more security fixes coming down later .... but we need to get the new virtualbox out in between
19:32:30 <brian_> I need to test a few things, but so far it is clear to me
19:32:36 <brian_> go with it
19:32:37 <MrsB> Ben reported some issues, were they addressed?
19:32:59 <wilcal> I'll give David 24-hours otherwise I'll validate it in 24-hours
19:33:02 <tmb> I saw, and asked for more info, but none so far...
19:33:25 <wilcal> Now it's time for:
19:33:27 <wilcal> #topic Testing updates - Any questions or problems, long list
19:33:46 <wilcal> Long list but we were expecting that after the Grand Update
19:34:01 <lewyssmith> librelp 22822 & roundcubemail 22941 may have to be clean update only.
19:34:30 <brian_> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22977 - any thoughts on the best hardware for testing this?
19:34:32 <[mbot> [ 22977 – Update request: nonfree firmwares, snapshot 20180409 ]
19:34:37 <kekePower> I pushed an update for Curl on mga5 that still needs a few more patches
19:34:40 <brian_> Atheros wifi?
19:35:12 <brian_> AMD polaris?
19:35:14 <kekePower> this one can wait a bit longer
19:35:32 <brian_> ok
19:36:20 <lewyssmith> Re the kernel, I think only Ben had a problem.
19:36:54 <wilcal> always some wrinkle with a new kernel
19:37:06 <MrsB> it is a long list :\
19:37:39 <wilcal> yup but we were warned of this. The Grand Update was holding all of this stuff up
19:37:52 <wilcal> all we can do is work this down
19:37:54 <MrsB> I'll try and help out tmrw afternoon
19:38:22 <MrsB> Are there any there that look scary?
19:38:27 <wilcal> Your super. Not much else we can say about the list other then work on it
19:38:51 <tjandrews> My time is more limited this time of year. I should be out on the tractor now.
19:39:19 <lewyssmith> The list is being whittled.
19:39:26 <MrsB> yes, keep at it
19:39:47 <wilcal> I am really going to work the Vbox and nvidia stuff this weekend
19:40:05 <MrsB> if you get stuck with anything just ask, it's always good to ask
19:40:27 <wilcal> Nothing to do around this place anyway :-0......
19:40:33 <lewyssmith> tjandrews, Do not sacrifice the farm to be here.
19:40:55 <tjandrews> Never.
19:41:23 <MrsB> So I think this is a >> /dev/null until next week really and see where things are then
19:41:28 <wilcal> fwiw MrsB I moved to North Las Vegas in Jan. :-))
19:41:39 <MrsB> I saw that yes, very nice.
19:41:47 <wilcal> Sin City USA
19:41:54 <MrsB> very fitting ;)
19:42:05 <brian_> traded in his surf board for a sandbuggy I suppose
19:42:19 <wilcal> buffets
19:42:21 <MrsB> Anybody need to ask anything now on this topic before we move on?
19:42:25 <wilcal> lots of them
19:42:39 <brian_> as time permits, I'll try the openjfx and see what happens
19:42:44 <MrsB> still stuck in the midlands here :)
19:42:52 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
19:42:56 <wilcal> Anything else
19:42:59 <brian_> none from em
19:43:02 <brian_> me
19:43:03 <lewyssmith> Yes please.
19:43:06 <wilcal> good meeting today
19:43:14 <kekePower> Today is the National Day of Norway :-)
19:43:19 <wilcal> a couple critical issues
19:43:31 <MrsB> thanks ofr having me, and honoured to be guest captain for the day
19:43:35 <wilcal> I'll mention the conflict thing on the user forum
19:43:40 <kekePower> or Independence day if you want
19:43:49 <brian_> lewysmith: what'd you have?
19:43:53 <lewyssmith> I asked about an overseer for fielding 5->6 upgrade issues. No response. What do you think? A bug at least?
19:44:05 <MrsB> happy norway day kekePower
19:44:21 <wilcal> I really have mixed feelings about upgrading 5->6
19:44:33 <wilcal> we're really beyond that big time
19:44:40 <lewyssmith> If we can, we do.
19:44:47 <MrsB> well the qt libs will need fixing first i think lewyssmith
19:45:06 <lewyssmith> I know not of this.
19:45:10 <kekePower> perhaps better to ask our users to do a clean install of mga6 instead of going the upgrade route
19:45:22 <wilcal> I agree keke
19:45:25 <MrsB> the ones not fixed yet from the grand update
19:45:34 <brian_> at least make the recommendation.  I've seen other larger distro's do the same recommend
19:45:34 <lewyssmith> Some do not want to, or they would have long ago done itt.
19:45:35 <MrsB> bug 23016 23037 etc
19:45:38 <[mbot> Bug: ['749 update packages installation failed (conflicts between lib64kf5jobwidgets5-5.42.0-1.mga6.x86_64 and libkf5jobwidgets5-5.32.0-1.mga6.i586)', 'REOPENED', 'KDE maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23016
19:46:02 <brian_> because of the kde to plasma jump
19:46:04 <tmb> neoclust is already working on fixing up the file conflicts...
19:46:12 <wilcal> thks tmb
19:46:21 <lewyssmith> How will we know when it is done?
19:46:23 <MrsB> my advice is wait and see. Thins will settle down again once the libs are fixed
19:46:24 <neoclust> tmb: done, just pushed in the BS
19:46:28 <kekePower> has anybody tried a clean install with an old /home partition and hit any snags?
19:46:32 <neoclust> lewyssmith: now you know ;)
19:46:39 <MrsB> #info neoclust already working on fixes \o/
19:46:55 <lewyssmith> Thanks!
19:46:58 <wilcal> me 3-hours ago and it failed
19:47:11 <MrsB> tmb is there some lint check could be added to the BS to prevent similar again in future?
19:47:25 <wilcal> still lots of conflicts with i586 apps
19:48:03 <neoclust> wilcal: please provide full logs
19:48:05 <MrsB> yes, WIP wilcal
19:48:18 <neoclust> wilcal: to know if this is what i just fixed or still remaining ones
19:48:20 <brian_> gotta drop - good evening everyone
19:48:27 <MrsB> night brian_
19:48:28 <wilcal> i put a screen shot on my bug
19:48:30 <lewyssmith> Goodbye Brian.
19:48:30 <tmb> MrsB, that would mean teaching the BS to compare rpms between arches and so on...
19:48:33 <wilcal> bye brian
19:48:37 <tjandrews> I have to get going, guys. The tractor awaits.
19:48:46 <wilcal> ok we're really done here
19:48:47 <lewyssmith> Good farming.
19:48:50 <wilcal> time for count down
19:49:00 <wilcal> T=5
19:49:00 <MrsB> tmb: I take it that's bad?
19:49:12 <wilcal> T-4
19:49:18 <wilcal> T-3
19:49:33 <lewyssmith> Thanks to the many who came.
19:49:39 <wilcal> Thanks all for joining and special thanks to MrsB for joining us
19:49:44 <wilcal> T-2
19:49:44 <MrsB> Nite all
19:49:51 <wilcal> T-1
19:49:51 <tmb> MrsB, a big job that I dont think anyone want to try to take on...
19:49:52 <kekePower> se y'all
19:50:01 <MrsB> understood :)
19:50:03 <wilcal> #endmeeting