19:03:46 <wilcal> #startmeeting 19:03:46 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu May 17 19:03:46 2018 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:03:46 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:03:55 <kekePower> hi all 19:04:12 <wilcal> #chair MrsB 19:04:12 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: MrsB wilcal 19:04:18 <wilcal> there so she's official 19:04:19 <lewyssmith> kekePower, Hello Stig. You are doing great things 19:04:24 <MrsB> hi everyone. lurking isn't oging very well :) 19:04:31 <kekePower> thanks a lot lewyssmith :-) 19:04:42 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 19:04:55 <MrsB> o/ 19:05:00 <wilcal> Anyone new here today. Lots of old timers 19:05:14 <lewyssmith> Do not see any unknown names. 19:05:22 <kekePower> me neither 19:05:47 <MrsB> what's first on the list 19:06:16 <MrsB> #topic i586 vs x86_64 conflicts after Grand Update 19:06:43 <lewyssmith> That was a very minor thing all things considered, 19:06:43 <MrsB> The grand update seemed to go well, apart from a some issues with libraries 19:06:46 <wilcal> could someone explain what's going on here 19:07:05 <lewyssmith> tarazed_, Hello Len. You make almost a full house. 19:07:29 <tarazed_> Hi lewis. How many's that then? 19:07:33 <MrsB> it was file conflicts due to both 32bit and 64bit libraries having translation files in them IINM 19:07:34 <wilcal> When I started to test tmb's new kernel I ran right into this 19:08:10 <lewyssmith> Into what? 19:08:12 <wilcal> If you use a Live-DVD or CI your fine. netinstall falls down 19:08:23 <wilcal> rather dramatically 19:08:45 <lewyssmith> We will find this in 3.1 testing. 19:08:49 <lewyssmith> 6.1 19:08:51 <MrsB> Were the fixed lib's pushed, seem to remember seeing them go throuhg 19:09:06 <wilcal> Testing this morning tells me it's still there 19:09:09 <lewyssmith> Me too; I think Nicolas said so. 19:09:11 <MrsB> you'll have to excuse me bein a bit out of the loop 19:09:20 <MrsB> and bad G key 19:09:47 <kekePower> MrsB: you just hit the bad G spot, that's all 19:09:52 <kekePower> :) 19:10:02 <MrsB> ahh that must be it! 19:10:27 <wilcal> Problem is the same even if i use mirrors.kernel.org 19:10:43 <kekePower> I think Nicolas mentioned something about an update being pushed 19:10:47 <wilcal> and even after waiting a couple days to make sure it's all sync'd up 19:10:57 <MrsB> on the 16th there were a number of K packaes pushed, are there still issues? If so then best to report on the bug 19:11:03 <kekePower> something about splitting the docs into noarch packages 19:11:08 <wilcal> I thought it would be in there today but it failed for the same reason for me today 19:11:45 <wilcal> It's a bit frightening 1st time you see it which for me was right after the Grand Update 19:12:15 <wilcal> Then I found that the live media and CI were fine 19:12:22 <MrsB> bug 23016 and bug 23037 19:12:24 <[mbot> Bug: ['749 update packages installation failed (conflicts between lib64kf5jobwidgets5-5.42.0-1.mga6.x86_64 and libkf5jobwidgets5-5.32.0-1.mga6.i586)', 'RESOLVED', 'KDE maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23016 19:12:25 <[mbot> Bug: ['netinstall fails after Grand Update', 'NEW', 'Mageia Bug Squad'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23037 19:12:26 <wilcal> yes 19:12:55 <Benmc> sorry. got to go, try to be back later 19:13:03 <wilcal> bye ben 19:13:06 <lewyssmith> Goodbye, Ben. 19:13:21 <MrsB> bye Benmc, ood to see you 19:13:24 <wilcal> So Martin tells me people are working on this 19:13:25 <MrsB> + 19:13:27 <MrsB> g 19:13:37 <kekePower> Anybody know what an Ood is? 19:13:38 <tjandrews> Bye, Ben 19:13:57 <wilcal> I like to use netinstall as it saves a lot of time after 1st install 19:14:12 <kekePower> comes from Doctor Who :-) 19:14:20 <kekePower> I also always use the netinstall 19:14:28 <MrsB> neoclust: could you please see bug 23037 appears to be further lib conflicts 19:14:30 <[mbot> Bug: ['netinstall fails after Grand Update', 'NEW', 'Mageia Bug Squad'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23037 19:14:33 <wilcal> I don't think changing the netinstall file makes any difference 19:14:39 <kekePower> don't want to download the CI every time 19:14:51 <wilcal> I think there's 100's of them 19:15:27 <MrsB> The bug isn't assigned to anybody yet btw 19:15:42 <kekePower> but then again it's also very important to have a stable and updated mirror 19:16:01 <tjandrews> I don't use netinstall. My ISP isn't reliable enough. 19:16:04 <lewyssmith> MrsB, That could have a bearing... 19:16:21 <wilcal> MrsB you said testing for this before release is a problem 19:16:27 <kekePower> tmb: Is it you that builds these files? 19:16:50 <lewyssmith> Which files? 19:16:56 <kekePower> the netinstall ones 19:17:06 <tmb> from a quick look bug 24016 has broken fixes due to rushing and need to be re-done... 19:17:08 <[mbot> Bug: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24016 19:17:29 <tmb> bug 23016 I mean 19:17:31 <[mbot> Bug: ['749 update packages installation failed (conflicts between lib64kf5jobwidgets5-5.42.0-1.mga6.x86_64 and libkf5jobwidgets5-5.32.0-1.mga6.i586)', 'RESOLVED', 'KDE maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23016 19:17:46 <MrsB> wilcal: no, but it's not something we regularly check for that both 32bit and 64bit libs can be installed together. It would be best if the BS could lint check for that 19:18:44 <wilcal> Disabling the 32-bit repo when your doing a netinstall allows for a clean install 19:19:06 <brian_> could that be automated in the netinstall applet? 19:19:25 <brian_> as manual action on the part of the user is optmistic 19:19:27 <lewyssmith> Do I understand that the resolved bug above was not really fixed? 19:20:05 <brian_> the conflict? 19:20:09 <kekePower> lewyssmith: it was _fixed_ but not correctly, if I understand it right 19:20:12 <brian_> sounds more like an ID's work around 19:20:45 <lewyssmith> MrsB, Claire, can one disable 32-bit repos for 64-bit systems, at least install or upgrade? 19:20:47 <wilcal> Not as of 3-hours ago lewy 19:21:19 <wilcal> That's what Martin told me to try and it worked 19:21:32 <lewyssmith> It might help our upgrade woes. 19:21:32 <neoclust> MrsB: ok let me look 19:22:09 <MrsB> lewyssmith: Yes. It's possible/normal even to install a pure 64bit system. It's usually 3rd prty packages which require 32bit libs on a 64bit system but there are some like wine and steam for instance 19:22:11 <neoclust> MrsB: comment added 19:22:46 * MrsB can't log in atm 19:22:55 <wilcal> When the netinstall is finished I then enable the 32-bit repo and things continue fine 19:23:48 <kekePower> perhaps an idea to push the Repo section to another point in the installer 19:23:58 <wilcal> anyway be aware of the situation 19:24:01 <lewyssmith> Could this netinstall bug have a bearing on 5->6 upgrades? 19:24:15 <wilcal> Maybe I should post somthing on the forum about this 19:24:27 <MrsB> wilcal, looks like los needed for netinstall bug 23037 19:24:28 <kekePower> wilcal: that sounds like a great idea 19:24:28 <[mbot> Bug: ['netinstall fails after Grand Update', 'NEW', 'Mageia Bug Squad'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23037 19:24:31 <MrsB> loGs 19:25:30 <MrsB> a workaround is to uninstall the afected 32bit lib so the files don't conflict with the updated 64bit lib, but that may want to remove other stuff too 19:26:27 <kekePower> MrsB: I don't think that's a good workaround, really, as you mention it may cause other packages to be removed as well and also how to find these packages in the first place 19:27:02 <MrsB> yes,the best workaround is to fix the conflicts, so keep an eye open for those and please prioritise testing 19:27:04 <tmb> I commented about the error in the bug 23016... 19:27:06 <[mbot> Bug: ['749 update packages installation failed (conflicts between lib64kf5jobwidgets5-5.42.0-1.mga6.x86_64 and libkf5jobwidgets5-5.32.0-1.mga6.i586)', 'REOPENED', 'KDE maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23016 19:27:37 <lewyssmith> Can we move on now? We have talked that to death. 19:28:20 <tmb> by all means... 19:28:22 <MrsB> #info bug 23016 reopened for further fixes 19:28:24 <[mbot> Bug: ['749 update packages installation failed (conflicts between lib64kf5jobwidgets5-5.42.0-1.mga6.x86_64 and libkf5jobwidgets5-5.32.0-1.mga6.i586)', 'REOPENED', 'KDE maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23016 19:28:46 <MrsB> #topicTesting updates - Any questions or problems, long list 19:28:49 <MrsB> oops 19:28:55 <MrsB> #topic Testing updates - Any questions or problems, long list 19:29:11 <MrsB> wilcal: what did you want to say? 19:29:25 <wilcal> Sorry one more issue before this one 19:29:42 <wilcal> #topic Update request: kernel-4.14.34-1.mga6 19:29:52 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22909 19:29:54 <[mbot> [ 22909 – Update request: kernel-4.14.40-1.mga6 ] 19:30:16 <wilcal> We need to push this as it's holding up other things like nvidia and Vbox 19:30:23 <wilcal> Any objections 19:30:38 <lewyssmith> I was going to ask Thomas whether he thinks this is good to go. 19:30:46 <tjandrews> I've been running it on my laptop for a while now with no problems. 19:30:56 <wilcal> David will read these notes and he needs to be part of that decision 19:31:19 <lewyssmith> tmb usually decides for kernels. 19:31:50 <wilcal> Make the decision fmb 19:31:54 <wilcal> tmb 19:32:14 <brian_> I just installed 32-bit on old equipment that uses nvidia 304 19:32:17 <brian_> seems to be working 19:32:25 <tmb> yeah, its good to go... there are more security fixes coming down later .... but we need to get the new virtualbox out in between 19:32:30 <brian_> I need to test a few things, but so far it is clear to me 19:32:36 <brian_> go with it 19:32:37 <MrsB> Ben reported some issues, were they addressed? 19:32:59 <wilcal> I'll give David 24-hours otherwise I'll validate it in 24-hours 19:33:02 <tmb> I saw, and asked for more info, but none so far... 19:33:25 <wilcal> Now it's time for: 19:33:27 <wilcal> #topic Testing updates - Any questions or problems, long list 19:33:46 <wilcal> Long list but we were expecting that after the Grand Update 19:34:01 <lewyssmith> librelp 22822 & roundcubemail 22941 may have to be clean update only. 19:34:30 <brian_> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22977 - any thoughts on the best hardware for testing this? 19:34:32 <[mbot> [ 22977 – Update request: nonfree firmwares, snapshot 20180409 ] 19:34:37 <kekePower> I pushed an update for Curl on mga5 that still needs a few more patches 19:34:40 <brian_> Atheros wifi? 19:35:12 <brian_> AMD polaris? 19:35:14 <kekePower> this one can wait a bit longer 19:35:32 <brian_> ok 19:36:20 <lewyssmith> Re the kernel, I think only Ben had a problem. 19:36:54 <wilcal> always some wrinkle with a new kernel 19:37:06 <MrsB> it is a long list :\ 19:37:39 <wilcal> yup but we were warned of this. The Grand Update was holding all of this stuff up 19:37:52 <wilcal> all we can do is work this down 19:37:54 <MrsB> I'll try and help out tmrw afternoon 19:38:22 <MrsB> Are there any there that look scary? 19:38:27 <wilcal> Your super. Not much else we can say about the list other then work on it 19:38:51 <tjandrews> My time is more limited this time of year. I should be out on the tractor now. 19:39:19 <lewyssmith> The list is being whittled. 19:39:26 <MrsB> yes, keep at it 19:39:47 <wilcal> I am really going to work the Vbox and nvidia stuff this weekend 19:40:05 <MrsB> if you get stuck with anything just ask, it's always good to ask 19:40:27 <wilcal> Nothing to do around this place anyway :-0...... 19:40:33 <lewyssmith> tjandrews, Do not sacrifice the farm to be here. 19:40:55 <tjandrews> Never. 19:41:23 <MrsB> So I think this is a >> /dev/null until next week really and see where things are then 19:41:28 <wilcal> fwiw MrsB I moved to North Las Vegas in Jan. :-)) 19:41:39 <MrsB> I saw that yes, very nice. 19:41:47 <wilcal> Sin City USA 19:41:54 <MrsB> very fitting ;) 19:42:05 <brian_> traded in his surf board for a sandbuggy I suppose 19:42:19 <wilcal> buffets 19:42:21 <MrsB> Anybody need to ask anything now on this topic before we move on? 19:42:25 <wilcal> lots of them 19:42:39 <brian_> as time permits, I'll try the openjfx and see what happens 19:42:44 <MrsB> still stuck in the midlands here :) 19:42:52 <wilcal> #topic Anything else? 19:42:56 <wilcal> Anything else 19:42:59 <brian_> none from em 19:43:02 <brian_> me 19:43:03 <lewyssmith> Yes please. 19:43:06 <wilcal> good meeting today 19:43:14 <kekePower> Today is the National Day of Norway :-) 19:43:19 <wilcal> a couple critical issues 19:43:31 <MrsB> thanks ofr having me, and honoured to be guest captain for the day 19:43:35 <wilcal> I'll mention the conflict thing on the user forum 19:43:40 <kekePower> or Independence day if you want 19:43:49 <brian_> lewysmith: what'd you have? 19:43:53 <lewyssmith> I asked about an overseer for fielding 5->6 upgrade issues. No response. What do you think? A bug at least? 19:44:05 <MrsB> happy norway day kekePower 19:44:21 <wilcal> I really have mixed feelings about upgrading 5->6 19:44:33 <wilcal> we're really beyond that big time 19:44:40 <lewyssmith> If we can, we do. 19:44:47 <MrsB> well the qt libs will need fixing first i think lewyssmith 19:45:06 <lewyssmith> I know not of this. 19:45:10 <kekePower> perhaps better to ask our users to do a clean install of mga6 instead of going the upgrade route 19:45:22 <wilcal> I agree keke 19:45:25 <MrsB> the ones not fixed yet from the grand update 19:45:34 <brian_> at least make the recommendation. I've seen other larger distro's do the same recommend 19:45:34 <lewyssmith> Some do not want to, or they would have long ago done itt. 19:45:35 <MrsB> bug 23016 23037 etc 19:45:38 <[mbot> Bug: ['749 update packages installation failed (conflicts between lib64kf5jobwidgets5-5.42.0-1.mga6.x86_64 and libkf5jobwidgets5-5.32.0-1.mga6.i586)', 'REOPENED', 'KDE maintainers'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23016 19:46:02 <brian_> because of the kde to plasma jump 19:46:04 <tmb> neoclust is already working on fixing up the file conflicts... 19:46:12 <wilcal> thks tmb 19:46:21 <lewyssmith> How will we know when it is done? 19:46:23 <MrsB> my advice is wait and see. Thins will settle down again once the libs are fixed 19:46:24 <neoclust> tmb: done, just pushed in the BS 19:46:28 <kekePower> has anybody tried a clean install with an old /home partition and hit any snags? 19:46:32 <neoclust> lewyssmith: now you know ;) 19:46:39 <MrsB> #info neoclust already working on fixes \o/ 19:46:55 <lewyssmith> Thanks! 19:46:58 <wilcal> me 3-hours ago and it failed 19:47:11 <MrsB> tmb is there some lint check could be added to the BS to prevent similar again in future? 19:47:25 <wilcal> still lots of conflicts with i586 apps 19:48:03 <neoclust> wilcal: please provide full logs 19:48:05 <MrsB> yes, WIP wilcal 19:48:18 <neoclust> wilcal: to know if this is what i just fixed or still remaining ones 19:48:20 <brian_> gotta drop - good evening everyone 19:48:27 <MrsB> night brian_ 19:48:28 <wilcal> i put a screen shot on my bug 19:48:30 <lewyssmith> Goodbye Brian. 19:48:30 <tmb> MrsB, that would mean teaching the BS to compare rpms between arches and so on... 19:48:33 <wilcal> bye brian 19:48:37 <tjandrews> I have to get going, guys. The tractor awaits. 19:48:46 <wilcal> ok we're really done here 19:48:47 <lewyssmith> Good farming. 19:48:50 <wilcal> time for count down 19:49:00 <wilcal> T=5 19:49:00 <MrsB> tmb: I take it that's bad? 19:49:12 <wilcal> T-4 19:49:18 <wilcal> T-3 19:49:33 <lewyssmith> Thanks to the many who came. 19:49:39 <wilcal> Thanks all for joining and special thanks to MrsB for joining us 19:49:44 <wilcal> T-2 19:49:44 <MrsB> Nite all 19:49:51 <wilcal> T-1 19:49:51 <tmb> MrsB, a big job that I dont think anyone want to try to take on... 19:49:52 <kekePower> se y'all 19:50:01 <MrsB> understood :) 19:50:03 <wilcal> #endmeeting