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19:02:34 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
19:02:34 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
19:02:43 <hviaene> G-morning (night here) all
19:02:54 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:03:01 <wilcal> Anyone new in here today
19:03:45 <Benmc> (silence)
19:03:56 <lewyssmith> is golden.
19:04:14 <wilcal> Lets move to:
19:04:15 <wilcal> #topic Testing the Plasma/kf5/kde/qt, is the LxQt Stack Update ready
19:04:33 <wilcal> so are we ready to start this process starting with LxQt?
19:04:39 <bria_n> got the email about lxqt an hour ago
19:04:53 <wilcal> I have my ideas on how to test this
19:05:00 <bria_n> does that need a fresh install, it specified as the DM?
19:05:16 <wilcal> I'll build a new install only lxqt and update that
19:05:25 <wilcal> minimum apps
19:05:28 <lewyssmith> I would like to re-run me all-updates-in-one test for LXQt, but think it is ready. Will do tomorrow, and OK it if it looks OK still.
19:05:57 <tarazed_> I've been taking a back seat.  Should have a go as well.
19:06:07 <wilcal> So once we are happy with lxqt and push that then the dam breaks for Plasma
19:06:28 <Benmc> my problems with LXqt may be hardware -too old
19:06:33 <lewyssmith> Am I the only one seeing a black Mageia menu icon for LXQt?
19:06:57 <bria_n> I haven't delved into lxqt yet
19:07:04 <Benmc> I will rerstore my image and rerun update tonight
19:07:12 <lewyssmith> You have not missed much!
19:07:21 <wilcal> It's been awhile since I've worked in lxqt i've really move to mate for my secondary gui
19:07:31 <bria_n> :lewyssmith - lol
19:07:44 <lewyssmith> It is quite nice, though.
19:08:07 <bria_n> mate as well - does well on old equip
19:08:12 <lewyssmith> Also - do other people see the old hummingbird desktop?
19:08:28 <bria_n> man I've heard of that in years!
19:08:54 <tarazed_> Distant bells
19:09:00 <rindolf> hi qa
19:09:06 <wilcal> Hi rin
19:09:09 <tarazed_> Evening Shlomi
19:09:14 <lewyssmith> Well, it looks as if Bill, Ben & myself are going to give LXQT a last try.
19:09:26 <wilcal> We are discussing lxqt and it's status
19:09:32 <tarazed_> Second for me.
19:09:32 <rindolf> wilcal: ah
19:09:46 <lewyssmith> tarazed_, TIA.
19:09:50 <wilcal> Any thoughts on how or if your gonna look at it
19:10:22 <wilcal> Once it's pushed then the plasma update is up nexxt
19:10:30 <tarazed_> Is the black menu icon a theme thing?
19:10:50 <lewyssmith> I know it too well already. I am going to start from an un-updated but up-to-date M6 system with Plasma & LXQt, and apply everythinh in updates testing to it.
19:11:39 <wilcal> I'll be doing a Vbox net install with lxqt the gui then updating that
19:11:41 <lewyssmith> (That in reply to Bill - 5)
19:11:48 <lewyssmith> -6
19:12:04 <Benmc> I have only been applying LQxt updates, will also apply the qt5 updates, I havent done that yet
19:12:29 <wilcal> I think that's what they are asking for just lxqt
19:12:34 <lewyssmith> The LXQt upates make no sense without the Qt ones beforehand.
19:13:17 <wilcal> So you have to install lxqt then the new qt updates then the lxqt updates?
19:13:31 <lewyssmith> Yes.
19:14:22 <Benmc> ok
19:14:42 <wilcal> If i do a "urpmi --auto-update" with the updates testing repo on will that do it?
19:14:52 <wilcal> no plasma
19:15:08 <lewyssmith> Yes - at the risk of updating everything that is currently in updates testing.
19:15:26 <wilcal> that's where I'm going to start anyway
19:15:26 <lewyssmith> But it should work.
19:15:40 <Benmc> for me , that would be lxq and qt5  and a fw others
19:15:43 <wilcal> start as simple as possible
19:16:22 <lewyssmith> LXQt is fundamentally reliable & functional. I & others only find trivial glitches.
19:16:25 <Benmc> sorry, got to go, may be back later
19:16:33 <lewyssmith> Goodbye for now.
19:16:36 <wilcal> see ya later Ben
19:16:45 <wilcal> Hi tj
19:16:46 <lewyssmith> Welcome TJ.
19:16:58 <tjandrews> Hello.
19:17:00 <wilcal> We're discussing th lxqt update and testing
19:17:30 <tjandrews> I don't think I've ever used it.
19:17:38 <lewyssmith> Yet...
19:18:00 <neoclust> hello
19:18:17 <lewyssmith> & hello to you.
19:18:20 <neoclust> is the LxQt Stack Update ready
19:18:22 <neoclust> yes
19:18:24 <neoclust> it is :)
19:18:48 <lewyssmith> Nicolas has just posted a new package list.
19:18:51 <neoclust> lewyssmith: i use it daily for the tests and no pbs so far
19:19:11 <neoclust> lewyssmith: yes on MLO, a conflict have been reported so i fixed it
19:19:15 <lewyssmith> What desktop background?
19:19:53 <lewyssmith> Mageia or LXQT's own?
19:20:34 <wilcal> Once this glxqt on Mageia
19:21:11 <neoclust> lewyssmith: i have not customised to use Mageia background, it was not mageia background on mageia6, i have not fixed this. I will for mageia 7
19:21:16 <neoclust> and i will backport the fix later
19:21:36 <lewyssmith> It did change to Mageia one for a period.
19:22:16 <wilcal> I think it's an option on the CI installer
19:22:16 <neoclust> lewyssmith: the background thing is not a real issue for me :)
19:22:31 <lewyssmith> wilcal, Bill, why did you say earlier about the Plasma update? Is it not ready to go?
19:22:51 <tjandrews> Uh-oh. I think I lost my Internet...
19:22:56 <lewyssmith> neoclust, Nor me. It was the changes that puzzld me.
19:23:11 <wilcal> I think after the lxqt thingy gets pushed then the big one;s up next
19:23:26 <lewyssmith> They will all go together.
19:23:27 <wilcal> I think after the lxqt thingy gets pushed then the big one;s up next
19:23:52 <tjandrews> My Internet service has been flaky all day.
19:24:34 <lewyssmith> wilcal, Bill, move on?
19:24:40 <wilcal> Yup
19:24:57 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
19:25:05 <wilcal> List is getting long
19:25:24 <wilcal> I had some issues with imagemagic
19:25:37 <lewyssmith> The list is big, but people are clearing them extremely well. I have a lot of advisories to catch up on after just one day.
19:25:54 <lewyssmith> wilcal, Hoped you would try transcode.
19:25:56 <tjandrews> I've been testing the vlc update. Tmb said in the bug it should go out with the Plasma update.
19:26:01 <wilcal> the basic package updates fine but it seems there's a bunch of other stuff
19:26:16 <hviaene> I have problems with the core updates test repo here. It just returns nothing
19:26:22 <wilcal> I've not worked directly with transcode is there a package that uses that?
19:26:30 <wilcal> I use ffmpeg a lot
19:26:36 <lewyssmith> What ImageMagick problems? Len & I have well tried it.
19:26:57 <lewyssmith> wilcal, transcode is in the IM bug.
19:27:17 <lewyssmith> Len tried it, hit a problem.
19:27:25 <wilcal> Oh oh
19:27:25 <tjandrews> Herman, have you tried a different mirror?
19:27:30 <tarazed_> Not IM related I think.
19:27:38 <lewyssmith> Agree.
19:27:39 <neoclust> lewyssmith: if you dont need me anymore i can go, see you :)
19:27:48 <lewyssmith> Thanks for coming.
19:27:52 <tarazed_> Thanks neoclust
19:27:57 <wilcal> Thanks  neo
19:28:04 <tjandrews> Thanks.
19:29:00 <bria_n> you mention mirrors
19:29:09 <tarazed_> Lewis: your examples.pl could be useful for GM - they are very parallel (IM/GM)
19:29:22 <hviaene> No, never done before
19:29:31 <bria_n> I'm more frequently running into no updates from the default mirror list
19:29:47 <bria_n> then change and get a bunch of updates.  Anyone else in US seeing this?
19:29:49 <wilcal> server i use is kernel.org
19:30:05 <wilcal> it's been pretty stable for months
19:30:14 <lewyssmith> tarazed_, I wondered that. I would like to fiddle it to work with any given 2 files.
19:30:17 <bria_n> yeah when I switch that is one of the first
19:30:21 <tjandrews> Mirrorlist has given me problems for years. I never use it anymore.
19:30:51 <tarazed_> lewis: I'm sure it can be done.  meanwhile we can cherrypick from it.
19:31:04 <lewyssmith> tarazed_, I think GraphicsM WAS A FORK OF ImageM.
19:31:33 <wilcal> I thought GM was on our to do list did it go away
19:31:40 <tarazed_> lewis: aye, all the commands are similar
19:31:45 <lewyssmith> Damn nuisance having them both.
19:32:09 <wilcal> ok i see it
19:32:21 <tarazed_> wilcal: I have started chasing PoCs.  Multiply like replicators.
19:33:06 <lewyssmith> Len, if you find any, please note their URLs.
19:33:09 <wilcal> I also see a lot of things on the list that are hardware specific
19:33:20 <tarazed_> lewis: always do.
19:33:28 <lewyssmith> To publicise. I will try that.
19:33:49 <wilcal> anyway there's lots of things to work on there
19:34:14 <lewyssmith> There are 6 or 7 to clear from the M6 list.
19:34:23 <tarazed_> Can we sort out godot?  godot3 looks OK.
19:34:57 <lewyssmith> Are the repos right now?
19:34:59 <wilcal> push it along
19:35:10 <wilcal> how about the kernel update?
19:35:34 <tarazed_> There seems to be a fossil in backports testing.  Should be removed or ignored.
19:35:39 <wilcal> looks like it's been tested to death
19:36:19 <tarazed_> Yes, roll it along.
19:36:22 <wilcal> David's gonna look over these notes. Is it ok to push the Kernel bug David?
19:36:24 <lewyssmith> tarazed_, Exactly, my original complaint.
19:36:40 <Bequimao> I have a serious regression with the newest kernel 4.14.38 in a Qemu-KVM guest. Older kernels work.
19:37:06 <bria_n> I'll test nextcloud on 64bit one more time.  Anyone want to try 32bit?
19:37:23 <wilcal> That one's over my head
19:37:34 <tjandrews> Mine too.
19:37:46 <bria_n> ok - will bang on it
19:38:02 <wilcal> Anything else there?
19:38:08 <lewyssmith> bria_n, you do great things for us with Owncloud. We would be lost without you.
19:38:31 <wilcal> That's one of those career apps
19:38:47 <bria_n> thx - it's really pretty straightforward if you install the right components the first time.
19:39:02 <bria_n> Jose is doing a nice job of improving it
19:39:07 <tjandrews> nvidia-current has had a couple of tests but could use more if someone has the hardware.
19:39:29 <lewyssmith> bria_n, Yes, José has worked long & hard on it.
19:39:30 <wilcal> That just takes time here as I have to build a new install
19:39:33 <tarazed_> Good morning Ben.
19:39:44 <wilcal> I'll give it a go
19:40:04 <wilcal> Oh Lewys on the Nvidia update
19:40:12 <lewyssmith> Yes?
19:40:25 <wilcal> should that be tested before or after the kernel update that's in there
19:41:04 <lewyssmith> No idea! Pity tmb is not here. Could ask on the bug.
19:41:09 <tjandrews> Sounds like a question for tmb to me.
19:41:16 <wilcal> kinda important
19:41:28 <lewyssmith> I suspect it should not depend on the new kernel.
19:41:56 <wilcal> "should not"
19:42:02 <tarazed_> The kmods have to be built whichever way you do it.
19:42:38 <tarazed_> So I would do nvidia afterwards.
19:42:43 <wilcal> anything else
19:42:54 <wilcal> there
19:43:30 <lewyssmith> Remeber the new kernel is suspect.
19:43:42 <bria_n> how is that?
19:43:55 <lewyssmith> <Bequimao> I have a serious regression with the newest kernel 4.14.38 in a Qemu-KVM guest. Older kernels work.
19:43:56 <tarazed_> Bequimao's problem.
19:44:15 <bria_n> hmm - hadn't tried qemu-kvm
19:44:19 <wilcal> ok so I'll test the nvidia thingy with the present kernel
19:44:34 <tarazed_> So it should definitely be moced along so Thomas can start on the next version.
19:44:46 <wilcal> ok
19:45:15 <Bequimao> I have spotted it just now. Will document it tomorrow.
19:45:21 <wilcal> thanks
19:45:31 <lewyssmith> If nVidia works with the old kernel, that is what matters. If not with the new one, the latter is suspect.
19:45:32 <wilcal> anything else
19:45:59 <hviaene> I have wifi issues with the 4.14.38  on my old HW
19:46:24 <lewyssmith> (Not for the first time!)
19:46:36 <tarazed_> Is this recent herman?
19:46:38 <wilcal> Is there any "standard" USB WiFi adaptor?
19:46:40 <hviaene> Yes
19:46:48 <hviaene> Recent
19:47:05 <wilcal> something that lots of people use
19:47:16 <tjandrews> Have you applied the firmware updates?
19:47:22 <wilcal> I would get one of those to test with
19:47:27 <hviaene> Just found out that my repo problem was actually a wifi problem
19:47:40 <lewyssmith> !
19:48:00 <bria_n> :hviaene is a disconnect/reconnect frequency issue?
19:48:00 <hviaene> Although I could ping my IProvider
19:48:26 <hviaene> Only disconnect, reeconnecting requires reboot
19:48:46 <tarazed_> And no router involved?
19:48:59 <bria_n> hmm ok.  Running usb-wifi on this platform.  I do see the disconnect reconnect messages, but no interruption that i can tell
19:49:29 <hviaene> I get some meesages in journal that might relate to it, but I'm not sure
19:50:29 <bria_n> ok
19:50:31 <hviaene> @ tarazed, yes there is a router, but in the mean time other machines work OK
19:50:50 <hviaene> on that router
19:50:56 <bria_n> gotta drop - have a great week everyone
19:51:05 <lewyssmith> Goodbye Brian.
19:52:38 <lewyssmith> wilcal, Move on, Bill?
19:52:40 <wilcal> FWIW I've got some very old USB WiFi adators that no longer work on Mageia
19:52:43 <wilcal> yup
19:53:04 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
19:53:10 <wilcal> Anything else
19:53:12 <lewyssmith> Not from me.
19:53:17 <hviaene> None here
19:53:20 <tarazed_> nor me
19:53:33 <wilcal> Ok folks thanks to all for coming
19:53:35 <hviaene> G' night all
19:53:42 <tjandrews> wilcal, there's a really cheap usb wifi adapter all over eBay. I have one, and it works with Mageia. Uses a Ralink chip, I believe.
19:53:42 <lewyssmith> And to you.
19:54:08 <tarazed_> Buona sera tutti
19:54:08 <wilcal> IRalink chip pretty popular
19:54:16 <wilcal> ?
19:54:31 <lewyssmith> Guess...
19:54:40 <wilcal> Ok folks thanks to all for coming
19:54:45 <wilcal> T-5
19:54:55 <wilcal> T-4
19:54:59 <wilcal> T-3
19:55:02 <lewyssmith> Seconded. A really good meeting, lotss of people, good talk.
19:55:06 <wilcal> T-2
19:55:09 <wilcal> T-1
19:55:13 <wilcal> #endmeeting