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19:02:46 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal tjandrews
19:02:46 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins tjandrews wilcal
19:02:57 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new?
19:03:16 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who hasn't been to  a qa team irc meeting before?
19:03:34 <benmc> dont see any new faces
19:03:48 <wilcal> hi tar
19:03:53 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing the Plasma/kf5/kde/qt - still waiting for the LxQt Stack Update
19:03:56 <tarazed_> Hi Bill
19:04:21 <wilcal> still waiting i guess
19:04:38 <DavidWHodgins> No progress in the last week
19:04:41 <tjandrews> .me drums fingers on desktop
19:04:45 <wilcal> Any idea when this is going to go through
19:04:53 <tjandrews> Oops.
19:05:04 * tjandrews drums fingers
19:05:42 <DavidWHodgins> Once that has been completed, the next step will be to test upgrading from Mageia 5 KDE to Mageia 6 Plasma again, so re can re-enable the mgaapplet upgrading for users
19:06:00 <DavidWHodgins> That's needed so we can finally end all support for Mageia 5.
19:06:12 <wilcal> That'll be a challange
19:06:19 <brian__> Hi All - sorry I'm late
19:06:26 <DavidWHodgins> Hi brian__
19:06:35 <tarazed_> Hi brian - don't worry
19:06:42 <wilcal> so i have to build an up to date M5 and do an update to the updated m6
19:06:51 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Hopfully upgrades will be ok after these stack updates are released.
19:06:56 <DavidWHodgins> Yes.
19:07:05 <DavidWHodgins> Both on real hardware and under vb.
19:07:12 <tarazed_> I just reinstalled mga5 - ready to go
19:07:15 <brian__> I'm typing on my last physical m5 instance now
19:07:20 <wilcal> I still have up-to-day m5 Vbox clients
19:07:26 <wilcal> up-to-date
19:07:32 <tarazed_> same here
19:07:46 <brian__> yes - same on my vbox clients
19:07:50 <DavidWHodgins> I still have my m5 i586 and x86_64 installs on real hardware and under vb
19:08:10 <DavidWHodgins> As well as snapshots of each of those installs.
19:08:10 <wilcal> so we're ready to go when it all breaks loose
19:08:16 <tarazed_> yep
19:08:19 <DavidWHodgins> Hopefully.
19:08:21 <brian__> so we have some boxes to try.  Just someone tell me when to start
19:08:46 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 6.1
19:09:20 <DavidWHodgins> Once the mgaapplet can be reenabled, the iso images for Mageia 6.1 will be created, and we can start testing those.
19:09:33 <brian__> boy am I ready for that one.  I have a gen 7 that would love to try it against
19:09:37 <wilcal> it's called a log jam
19:09:41 <tjandrews> I have a couple of M5 installs on real hardware, but my ISP isn't reliable enough to test an online upgrade. Mine will have to be from the isos.
19:09:48 <DavidWHodgins> The target for release of Mageia 6.1 is May 31st, 2018
19:09:56 <DavidWHodgins> #info Target for release of Mageia 6.1 is May 31st, 2018
19:10:03 <benmc> coool, a date
19:10:05 <tarazed_> Who is spinning the 6.1 isos
19:10:08 <brian__> :tj yes I prefer from iso's
19:10:44 <DavidWHodgins> martinw, and I think ennael. Not really sure yet.
19:10:58 <benmc> I can do both, I just leave the online to complete ( or not) overnight
19:12:05 <wilcal> the m5 repo should be pretty stable
19:12:25 <DavidWHodgins> I haven't decided yet whether to re-use the list of iso-testers from Mageia 6, or to just use regular qa ml members, or start the list from scratch again. Opinions?
19:13:40 <benmc> put it in the blog tsters wanted - gives the users notice that somethings are happening
19:13:47 <tjandrews> I'd use the old list, but issue an invitation for new testers on the ml.
19:14:54 <tarazed_> I would make it open purely from the point of view of availability.
19:15:20 <DavidWHodgins> I like the blog idea. Need to get a list from tmb of what new hardware is supported, as obviously none of the existing Mageia 6 iso testers were using such hardware.
19:15:26 <benmc> may only get two or three new testers  anyway
19:16:33 <tarazed_> People  who have mot upgraded before will be good test cases.
19:16:34 <DavidWHodgins> From the old list, I think it may be best to send a notice that 6.1 testing will be starting soon, and asking people who do not want to participate to remove their names from the list, rather then starting from scratch.
19:16:45 <tjandrews> Getting called away - my brother needs some help with something. Be back if I can.
19:16:53 <DavidWHodgins> Ok tjandrews.
19:16:53 <wilcal> see ya tj
19:17:06 <benmc> sorry, got to go too. try to be back later
19:17:12 <DavidWHodgins> Ok benmc
19:17:23 <wilcal> it's gonna be a short meeting today David :-0
19:17:34 <DavidWHodgins> Most of the people on the old list are likely not running Mageia 5 anymore anyway.
19:17:40 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:17:52 <wilcal> so we await all that
19:18:01 <wilcal> as i said log jam
19:18:02 <brian__> true
19:18:14 <DavidWHodgins> Still have at least a few days to decide. I'll think about it some more.
19:18:19 <wilcal> welcom hvia
19:18:23 <brian__> hviaene - welcome
19:18:28 <hviaene> Hi all
19:18:34 <tarazed_> hi herman
19:18:50 <brian__> I think going with the list and asking them to clean it up is good.  Plus, we could use some new testing blood
19:18:53 <brian__> mine is stale
19:18:55 <DavidWHodgins> Any questions or comments on the upcoming Mageia 6.1 iso images before we move on?
19:19:05 <wilcal> not from me
19:19:05 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:19:36 <brian__> not frm me, I'm excited
19:19:47 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Elections & Meetings
19:19:53 <brian__> I have a gen 7 core -i3 I'd like to try lives on
19:20:01 <wilcal> Quite a Council meeting on Tues
19:20:31 <wilcal> Are we settled here in QA?
19:20:34 <brian__> ?? good stuff??
19:20:58 <wilcal> David was the mover and shaker at that meeting
19:21:11 <wilcal> job well done
19:21:18 <brian__> :David - thx
19:21:38 <tarazed_> He is a giant
19:21:40 <DavidWHodgins> Still waiting for the sysadmins to elect their leader
19:22:16 <DavidWHodgins> Once that's done, the council will be complete. Then the board elections can start though we are still discussing exactly how that will be done
19:22:59 <DavidWHodgins> There was a council meeting 2 days ago, the first so far this year.
19:23:19 <wilcal> How often do you expect them David
19:23:38 <wilcal> At one time there were about every other week
19:23:42 <DavidWHodgins> They are held whenever requested on the ml
19:24:03 <wilcal> next when we resolve the log jam
19:24:04 <DavidWHodgins> Hopefully we'll get back to some sort of regularity.
19:25:02 <DavidWHodgins> It's been a difficult group to get together on irc, so it has been much more practical to use the council ml to discuss issues as they've come up rather then holding meetings.
19:25:10 <brian__> please do, as I have grown to be quite the mageia fan
19:25:27 <wilcal> ok by me
19:25:39 <DavidWHodgins> Things have been getting done, just not by formal meetings.
19:25:56 <wilcal> and all that made people nervious
19:25:57 <brian__> :David understood
19:26:38 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. I'm one of those people who doesn't care what things look like, just whether or not they work,
19:27:16 <hviaene> Idem
19:27:21 <wilcal> if your 12-year old car runs just fine don't fix/replace it
19:27:22 <DavidWHodgins> Makes it hard for me to see why people were bothered by the lack of formal meetings, but I accept they were and will try to help ensure there are more regular formal meetings
19:27:39 <wilcal> M6 is doing just fine
19:28:21 <DavidWHodgins> As is m7 development. The schedule for m7 is still to be decided. That will be done in a council meeting closer to the 6.1 release.
19:28:56 <wilcal> We've got summer coming soon so I suspect it will be in the Fall some time
19:29:08 <brian__> curious - if I wanted to see the feature list, where would I look?
19:29:38 <brian__> :wilcal  you mean release to testing?
19:29:59 <wilcal> I think it
19:30:01 <DavidWHodgins> That is still to be finalized too. It really depends on the date, as to what version of, for example, gnome, will be included.
19:30:48 <wilcal> fwiw i executed an m7 netinstall and all that went fine just no graphical interface
19:31:13 <DavidWHodgins> Most likely, we are looking at early fall for Mageia 7 release, though again, the schedule has yet to be decided on.
19:31:55 <DavidWHodgins> #topioc Testing updates - Any questions or problems
19:32:46 <brian__> I'll see about a build of nextcoud 12.06.  I think 12.0 prefers postgres
19:32:51 <DavidWHodgins> The stack updates are causing quite of log jam.
19:33:18 <brian__> but will build sqlite.  Someone want to take on postgres version?
19:33:58 <DavidWHodgins> Been quite a while since I've tested next cloud. I'll look at that.
19:34:11 <brian__> so once lxqt is verified, we'll get the big 500+ push out and then a flood of fixes?
19:34:42 <DavidWHodgins> brian__: Yes. Though hopeully not a flood of fixes.
19:35:24 <brian__> :David meant backlog...my apologies
19:35:35 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone have a windows system available for testing bug 22921 ?
19:35:37 <[mbot> Bug: ['freerdp cannot connect to a recently patched windows system.', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22921
19:36:13 <DavidWHodgins> As soon as the stack updates are all validated, the others will be released at the same time.
19:37:16 <DavidWHodgins> We may have to just test that the freerdp update installs cleanly, and appears to be able to run ok.
19:37:40 <stratocaster7> DavidWHodgins: What do you need with freerdp. I use that daily at work.
19:37:42 <brian__> I have one box that ...might... support rdp in.
19:37:54 <tarazed_> godot has been a bit of a headache for Lewis
19:38:24 <DavidWHodgins> stratocaster7: Testing that the update in bug 22921 works, preferablly on a windows system that the piror version doesn't work on due to recent m$ updates
19:38:27 <[mbot> Bug: ['freerdp cannot connect to a recently patched windows system.', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22921
19:38:28 <tarazed_> There are parallel versions in backports testing and one may be redundant
19:38:38 <wilcal> tmb is promising a new kernel soon i think
19:39:23 <stratocaster7> DavidWHodgins: Ok. Guess I need to first something that doesn't work then. Right now everything I have is so I'll have to look around.
19:39:56 <tarazed_> I am not sure that we need feedback for bug 22771
19:39:58 <[mbot> Bug: ['Backport candidate: Godot 3.0.2', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22771
19:40:17 <DavidWHodgins> stratocaster7: If you don't have such a windows system, then just testing that it actually works with windows will have to do.
19:41:06 <DavidWHodgins> tarazed_: I haven't looked at godot yet. I'll add that to my todo list
19:41:33 <tarazed_> I am pretty sure we can go ahead with the godot3 version
19:41:44 <stratocaster7> DavidWHodgins: We have server 2003, 2008, 2012, 2016 and windows desktops 7 and 10. Hopefully there will be something.
19:42:08 <DavidWHodgins> stratocaster7: You have my sympathy! :-)
19:42:20 <tarazed_> amen
19:42:25 <stratocaster7> :)
19:42:44 <wilcal> People hang on to those old Windows platforms?
19:43:13 <DavidWHodgins> m$ software costs money.
19:43:14 <tarazed_> some people cannot afford to upgrade
19:43:25 <stratocaster7> School district. Aside from the data center most of them haven't heard of anything other than windows.
19:43:27 <DavidWHodgins> Or are too scared to.
19:43:51 <DavidWHodgins> Whatever is on the system when they buy it, they stick with it.
19:44:25 <tarazed_> welcome back tj
19:44:30 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
19:44:48 <wilcal> Not from me
19:44:50 <tjandrews> So, I missed all the important stuff?
19:44:55 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:45:05 <hviaene> None
19:45:09 <wilcal> The Heat Gods have set into my community and they're get'n serious
19:45:29 <wilcal> the good news it's always in the 60's at night
19:45:31 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Send them here. :-) 11.8C here right now.
19:45:55 <tjandrews> Cooler than normal here now, but supposed to get hotter on Tuesday/Wednesday.
19:45:58 <wilcal> You want 100 degrees and 16% humidity?
19:46:08 <DavidWHodgins> Still going below freezing most nighes
19:46:11 <hviaene> Next monday forecast 8c
19:46:20 <tarazed_> Heard that Phoenix pinches all the local water - near to you Bill?
19:46:24 <wilcal> gracious
19:46:33 <DavidWHodgins> Countdown time. :-)
19:46:37 <DavidWHodgins> T - 5
19:46:42 <DavidWHodgins> 4
19:46:42 <wilcal> About 200 miles away
19:46:43 <hviaene> Last week 27C
19:46:45 <wilcal> bye all
19:46:47 <DavidWHodgins> 3
19:46:50 <tarazed_> Bye folks
19:46:51 <DavidWHodgins> 2
19:46:54 <DavidWHodgins> 1
19:47:01 <brian__> bye all
19:47:04 <hviaene> G'night all
19:47:07 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone! Keep up the good work.
19:47:13 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting