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19:04:16 <wilcal> Lets kick this off
19:04:30 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:04:37 <wilcal> Anyone new?
19:05:05 <wilcal> No response
19:05:12 <lewyssmith> I think we can ask Jybz to sya who he is.
19:05:24 <lewyssmith> He was here at least last week.
19:05:24 <Jybz> ?
19:05:32 <Jybz> Someone call me ?
19:05:41 <lewyssmith> Take a look. He certainly lurked.
19:05:55 <Jybz> :$ Hello !
19:06:09 <wilcal> Introduce yourself
19:06:10 <lewyssmith> Jybz, Yes, can you please say who you are?
19:06:12 <Jybz> Sorry I'm just on many magieas cannal.
19:06:31 <Jybz> I'm just currently translating some wiki pages to french
19:06:44 <wilcal> Kool lots of French users
19:06:45 <Jybz> (currently but not right know)
19:07:03 <Jybz> The wikipages are thus for packages
19:07:08 <wilcal> Feel free to participate or just observe
19:07:15 <lewyssmith> Jybz, In which case you will understand the sensitivity.
19:07:20 <Jybz> I would like to share tools I need
19:08:06 <Jybz> Up now, I never packages things, I just make dirty make and make install.
19:08:27 <Jybz> sorry lewyssmith, I didn't get the question
19:08:43 <lewyssmith> Jybz, No offence meant, but we are feeling sensitive in France re Mageia.
19:08:59 <Jybz> Ah yes
19:09:03 <Jybz> It is a big storry
19:09:06 <Jybz> story *
19:09:29 <lewyssmith> Jybz, OK, thanks for explaining your presence.
19:09:39 <Jybz> for some years, Mandrake was distributed in France, in all cities, some book with installation CD
19:10:22 <lewyssmith> OK to move on, Bill.
19:10:39 <wilcal> A  few things to discuss today so lets get to the big one first:
19:10:40 <Jybz> Now it has evoluate, but that's why many french are knowing Mageia. Have a nice evening ! (I go back working)
19:10:41 <wilcal> #topic Plasma/kf5/kde/qt Stack
19:11:13 <wilcal> I don't have much to add on this except that the perl program we're using seems to do well
19:11:35 <wilcal> I can update the huge pile and boot back to a working desktop
19:11:50 <wilcal> It's holding everything else up
19:11:53 <tjandrews> The update is on hold while LxQT is worked on.
19:12:05 <wilcal> That's what I understand
19:12:13 <wilcal> any idea when we get past that?
19:12:16 <lewyssmith> Is anything happening there?
19:12:24 <Son_Goku> hey all
19:12:31 <wilcal> Hi Son
19:12:40 <tjandrews> I haven't heard anything. Nicolas is working on it.
19:13:56 <wilcal> So until that gets finished we continue to just tinker with the update
19:14:19 <lewyssmith> I think that is all here. The main lot goods good.
19:14:29 <lewyssmith> looks
19:14:44 <tjandrews> I've been running it on my production install for over a month now, with no problems.
19:14:44 <rindolf> Son_Goku: mew
19:15:01 <wilcal> Hi rin
19:15:28 <wilcal> Well lets move on to something more interesting
19:15:32 <wilcal> #topic Problems with Firefox 52.x ESR
19:16:00 <wilcal> We are close to Mozilla releasing Firefox 60.x
19:16:05 <tjandrews> I haven't actually had any problems, just saw that one notice.
19:16:17 <Son_Goku> Firefox 60 is going to be ESR, iirc
19:16:37 <wilcal> But how soon can we get that into M6?
19:16:52 <Son_Goku> we'll need latest Rust stack backported to Mageia 6 first
19:17:03 <Son_Goku> I think Akien has already been doing this, so we should be mostly ready there
19:17:03 <lewyssmith> ?
19:17:16 <lewyssmith> Hello Len.
19:17:28 <Benmc> sorry, got to go. may be back later
19:17:35 <tarazed_> Evening Lewis
19:17:45 <wilcal> Our present release of 53 ESR does not support Lastpass
19:17:57 <wilcal> So I've been using 59.0.2
19:18:20 <Akien> Yes Mageia 6 has the latest Rust stack, should be usable to build the next ESR
19:18:20 <tjandrews> It's been posted on the mailing list that our flashplayer doesn't work with the FF60 beta build.
19:19:22 <Son_Goku> I recently saw openSUSE preparing for Firefox 60 ESR by pulling in new Rust and Cargo
19:19:29 <wilcal> I had a conversation last week at the NAB Show with some Adobe tech people and I got the impression they don't give a xxx about Flash anymore
19:19:30 <Son_Goku> so good that we're already ready
19:19:57 <Son_Goku> tjandrews, aside from a few sites (Crunchyroll, Funimation, Hulu, ...), pretty much Flash is dead
19:20:11 <tjandrews> I'm thinking that we may have to dump freshplayer and revert to the NPAPI version.
19:20:19 <wilcal> The only thing i got was that they offer a tool for people to transition Flash -> HTML5
19:20:27 <tjandrews> Agreed, but we still have people using it.
19:20:53 <wilcal> Sites using it
19:21:11 <tjandrews> OK, people using sites that use it.
19:21:14 <wilcal> 90% of normal sites have transitioned to HTML5
19:21:31 <lewyssmith> In my book, any site that is browser-sensitive is incompetent.
19:21:32 <wilcal> 90% of the Adult sites have not
19:21:55 <Son_Goku> most specialty content sites don't (anime streaming sites, in particular)
19:22:04 <Son_Goku> for me, it's the only remaining use of Flash
19:22:20 <wilcal> They will soon find themselves without an audience
19:23:40 <wilcal> Anyway I think Firefox 60.x releases in a couple weeks and depending on how that works will have a big effect
19:24:14 <wilcal> our little 52.x ESR will be a small piece of the hurricane
19:24:52 <wilcal> I may put something on the Mageia discussion forum that this is all a work in progress
19:25:53 <lewyssmith> I have long found Firefox almost unusable, and use more & more IceApe.
19:26:24 <tjandrews> But Iceape is based on Firefox.
19:26:25 <lewyssmith> For FF I mean its long freezes.
19:26:44 <lewyssmith> tjandrews, Good; it dosn't freeze all the time.
19:27:33 <wilcal> Well lets move on as we're going to be a victim of this more then anything else
19:27:36 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates
19:28:29 <wilcal> My tests on the kernel look good
19:28:53 <lewyssmith> I should explain that if I have been out of sight this week, it is because my time has been taken (& more) by sitting on a Mageia rumpus in France.
19:29:27 <tarazed_> Understood
19:29:37 <wilcal> Mageia will get over all of that
19:29:38 <lewyssmith> I see form the updates list now that I can clear a few things already tested. Will do that tomorrow, say.
19:29:46 <tjandrews> I haven't seen anybody reporting problems with the kernels on the bug.
19:30:17 <wilcal> we should push it then i think
19:30:23 <tarazed_> areca-backup has been tested and OK's but it is still giving trouble
19:30:42 <lewyssmith> Has içt been pushed?
19:30:55 <tarazed_> It seems to work differently for different people
19:31:11 <tarazed_> It is waiting - validated
19:31:43 <wilcal> So list is managable keep working as best you can
19:31:55 <tarazed_> Works perfectly for me but never shows the nag screen
19:32:35 <wilcal> Is there a proceedure for testing webkit
19:32:42 <tarazed_> sox wastested but had to be sent back to the makers for another patch
19:33:14 <lewyssmith> Updates certainly look well in hand. David (luigi) has warned that pile of security things are in the pipeline, though.
19:33:39 <tarazed_> wilcal: nothing listed
19:34:02 <tjandrews> Aren't they always?
19:34:07 <lewyssmith> Just have to look at previous bugs; it occurs often.
19:34:50 <wilcal> So lets move on to:
19:34:52 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
19:35:09 <lewyssmith> Yes. Give me a moment.
19:35:38 <wilcal> Last week I attended the NAB National Association of Broadcasters Show
19:35:43 <wilcal> 100,000 people
19:36:05 <wilcal> The Broadcasters are going to war with the Cable TV providers
19:36:22 <brian_> interesting
19:36:23 <wilcal> their weapon is called "ATSC 3.0"
19:36:30 <wilcal> you can look that up on the Internet
19:37:27 <kekePower> broadcasters can't win because the have to put a *beep* on every other word spoken
19:37:29 <kekePower> ;)
19:37:48 <wilcal> Kaffiene is our app that will be effected by that
19:38:22 <wilcal> There's some very compelling parts of 3.0 that will draw people back to getting their TV content over the air
19:39:01 <tjandrews> I can't get Kaffeine to work with ATSC now. It worked with KDE4, but freezes with Plasma
19:39:06 <wilcal> "4k" is the norm, "8K was being demonstrated, "16k" was being hinted at
19:39:47 <wilcal> anyway we arn't directly effected
19:40:12 <lewyssmith> Can I spout now?
19:40:15 <wilcal> The Toyko Olympics seems to be a stake in the ground on all that
19:40:23 <wilcal> Yes, please
19:40:27 <lewyssmith> With unhealthy intent, someone has pointed out - quite rightly - that our hierarchy is ropey. Particularly 1. No renewal of the Board mandate for 2y; 2. Lack of Council meetings, which should apparently happen every week(!).
19:40:29 <brian_> sure lewys
19:40:36 <lewyssmith> More to come...
19:41:02 <wilcal> I haven't seen a Council or Board meeting in months
19:41:32 <lewyssmith> Both the Board & Council must pull their socks up. DO it. It leaves us vulerable to criticism, even if it is quite unimportant.
19:41:44 <wilcal> I will participate in both but can't be the head hancho
19:41:59 <lewyssmith> They could change the rules to one council meeting at least per month.
19:42:12 <wilcal> I agree with that
19:42:43 <wilcal> Board meeting, even to lift beers, once a Quarter
19:42:52 <lewyssmith> There is a storm in a teacup in France, & this has been used as ammunition.
19:43:24 <wilcal> Are people physically meeting?
19:43:25 <lewyssmith> The board only has to renew itself each year. It has been overlooked for 2y. They need to do that NOW.
19:43:37 <wilcal> I agree with that
19:43:52 <brian_> I still wonder who is stirring the pot on this?
19:44:33 <lewyssmith> For the Council, Dave has explained that they speak by mailList. But, like QA, MUST IRC meet at least once a month (say) just to show they are alive & kicking.
19:44:57 <wilcal> up
19:44:59 <wilcal> yup
19:45:29 <lewyssmith> So I hope that you Bill & TJ will kick over this. I mean this.
19:45:36 <wilcal> thks
19:45:57 <wilcal> so anything else?
19:46:12 <lewyssmith> It is important (for image ifd nothing else); and urgent.
19:46:13 <brian_> not frmo me
19:46:20 <wilcal> I'm done
19:46:57 <wilcal> Time for countdown
19:47:02 <wilcal> T-5
19:47:07 <wilcal> T-4
19:47:12 <wilcal> Thanks all for coming
19:47:17 <lewyssmith> I have come to recognise that we in QA do a *good job* as a team.
19:47:27 <wilcal> This is a great team, yes
19:47:32 <wilcal> T-3
19:47:34 <lewyssmith> Like these IRC meetings.
19:47:39 <wilcal> T-2
19:47:46 <wilcal> T-1
19:47:48 <wilcal> bye all
19:47:50 <wilcal> #endmeeting