19:04:08 <wilcal> #startmeeting 19:04:08 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Apr 19 19:04:08 2018 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:04:08 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:04:16 <wilcal> Lets kick this off 19:04:30 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 19:04:37 <wilcal> Anyone new? 19:05:05 <wilcal> No response 19:05:12 <lewyssmith> I think we can ask Jybz to sya who he is. 19:05:24 <lewyssmith> He was here at least last week. 19:05:24 <Jybz> ? 19:05:32 <Jybz> Someone call me ? 19:05:41 <lewyssmith> Take a look. He certainly lurked. 19:05:55 <Jybz> :$ Hello ! 19:06:09 <wilcal> Introduce yourself 19:06:10 <lewyssmith> Jybz, Yes, can you please say who you are? 19:06:12 <Jybz> Sorry I'm just on many magieas cannal. 19:06:31 <Jybz> I'm just currently translating some wiki pages to french 19:06:44 <wilcal> Kool lots of French users 19:06:45 <Jybz> (currently but not right know) 19:07:03 <Jybz> The wikipages are thus for packages 19:07:08 <wilcal> Feel free to participate or just observe 19:07:15 <lewyssmith> Jybz, In which case you will understand the sensitivity. 19:07:20 <Jybz> I would like to share tools I need 19:08:06 <Jybz> Up now, I never packages things, I just make dirty make and make install. 19:08:27 <Jybz> sorry lewyssmith, I didn't get the question 19:08:43 <lewyssmith> Jybz, No offence meant, but we are feeling sensitive in France re Mageia. 19:08:59 <Jybz> Ah yes 19:09:03 <Jybz> It is a big storry 19:09:06 <Jybz> story * 19:09:29 <lewyssmith> Jybz, OK, thanks for explaining your presence. 19:09:39 <Jybz> for some years, Mandrake was distributed in France, in all cities, some book with installation CD 19:10:22 <lewyssmith> OK to move on, Bill. 19:10:39 <wilcal> A few things to discuss today so lets get to the big one first: 19:10:40 <Jybz> Now it has evoluate, but that's why many french are knowing Mageia. Have a nice evening ! (I go back working) 19:10:41 <wilcal> #topic Plasma/kf5/kde/qt Stack 19:11:13 <wilcal> I don't have much to add on this except that the perl program we're using seems to do well 19:11:35 <wilcal> I can update the huge pile and boot back to a working desktop 19:11:50 <wilcal> It's holding everything else up 19:11:53 <tjandrews> The update is on hold while LxQT is worked on. 19:12:05 <wilcal> That's what I understand 19:12:13 <wilcal> any idea when we get past that? 19:12:16 <lewyssmith> Is anything happening there? 19:12:24 <Son_Goku> hey all 19:12:31 <wilcal> Hi Son 19:12:40 <tjandrews> I haven't heard anything. Nicolas is working on it. 19:13:56 <wilcal> So until that gets finished we continue to just tinker with the update 19:14:19 <lewyssmith> I think that is all here. The main lot goods good. 19:14:29 <lewyssmith> looks 19:14:44 <tjandrews> I've been running it on my production install for over a month now, with no problems. 19:14:44 <rindolf> Son_Goku: mew 19:15:01 <wilcal> Hi rin 19:15:28 <wilcal> Well lets move on to something more interesting 19:15:32 <wilcal> #topic Problems with Firefox 52.x ESR 19:16:00 <wilcal> We are close to Mozilla releasing Firefox 60.x 19:16:05 <tjandrews> I haven't actually had any problems, just saw that one notice. 19:16:17 <Son_Goku> Firefox 60 is going to be ESR, iirc 19:16:37 <wilcal> But how soon can we get that into M6? 19:16:52 <Son_Goku> we'll need latest Rust stack backported to Mageia 6 first 19:17:03 <Son_Goku> I think Akien has already been doing this, so we should be mostly ready there 19:17:03 <lewyssmith> ? 19:17:16 <lewyssmith> Hello Len. 19:17:28 <Benmc> sorry, got to go. may be back later 19:17:35 <tarazed_> Evening Lewis 19:17:45 <wilcal> Our present release of 53 ESR does not support Lastpass 19:17:57 <wilcal> So I've been using 59.0.2 19:18:20 <Akien> Yes Mageia 6 has the latest Rust stack, should be usable to build the next ESR 19:18:20 <tjandrews> It's been posted on the mailing list that our flashplayer doesn't work with the FF60 beta build. 19:19:22 <Son_Goku> I recently saw openSUSE preparing for Firefox 60 ESR by pulling in new Rust and Cargo 19:19:29 <wilcal> I had a conversation last week at the NAB Show with some Adobe tech people and I got the impression they don't give a xxx about Flash anymore 19:19:30 <Son_Goku> so good that we're already ready 19:19:57 <Son_Goku> tjandrews, aside from a few sites (Crunchyroll, Funimation, Hulu, ...), pretty much Flash is dead 19:20:11 <tjandrews> I'm thinking that we may have to dump freshplayer and revert to the NPAPI version. 19:20:19 <wilcal> The only thing i got was that they offer a tool for people to transition Flash -> HTML5 19:20:27 <tjandrews> Agreed, but we still have people using it. 19:20:53 <wilcal> Sites using it 19:21:11 <tjandrews> OK, people using sites that use it. 19:21:14 <wilcal> 90% of normal sites have transitioned to HTML5 19:21:31 <lewyssmith> In my book, any site that is browser-sensitive is incompetent. 19:21:32 <wilcal> 90% of the Adult sites have not 19:21:55 <Son_Goku> most specialty content sites don't (anime streaming sites, in particular) 19:22:04 <Son_Goku> for me, it's the only remaining use of Flash 19:22:20 <wilcal> They will soon find themselves without an audience 19:23:40 <wilcal> Anyway I think Firefox 60.x releases in a couple weeks and depending on how that works will have a big effect 19:24:14 <wilcal> our little 52.x ESR will be a small piece of the hurricane 19:24:52 <wilcal> I may put something on the Mageia discussion forum that this is all a work in progress 19:25:53 <lewyssmith> I have long found Firefox almost unusable, and use more & more IceApe. 19:26:24 <tjandrews> But Iceape is based on Firefox. 19:26:25 <lewyssmith> For FF I mean its long freezes. 19:26:44 <lewyssmith> tjandrews, Good; it dosn't freeze all the time. 19:27:33 <wilcal> Well lets move on as we're going to be a victim of this more then anything else 19:27:36 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates 19:28:29 <wilcal> My tests on the kernel look good 19:28:53 <lewyssmith> I should explain that if I have been out of sight this week, it is because my time has been taken (& more) by sitting on a Mageia rumpus in France. 19:29:27 <tarazed_> Understood 19:29:37 <wilcal> Mageia will get over all of that 19:29:38 <lewyssmith> I see form the updates list now that I can clear a few things already tested. Will do that tomorrow, say. 19:29:46 <tjandrews> I haven't seen anybody reporting problems with the kernels on the bug. 19:30:17 <wilcal> we should push it then i think 19:30:23 <tarazed_> areca-backup has been tested and OK's but it is still giving trouble 19:30:42 <lewyssmith> Has içt been pushed? 19:30:55 <tarazed_> It seems to work differently for different people 19:31:11 <tarazed_> It is waiting - validated 19:31:43 <wilcal> So list is managable keep working as best you can 19:31:55 <tarazed_> Works perfectly for me but never shows the nag screen 19:32:35 <wilcal> Is there a proceedure for testing webkit 19:32:42 <tarazed_> sox wastested but had to be sent back to the makers for another patch 19:33:14 <lewyssmith> Updates certainly look well in hand. David (luigi) has warned that pile of security things are in the pipeline, though. 19:33:39 <tarazed_> wilcal: nothing listed 19:34:02 <tjandrews> Aren't they always? 19:34:07 <lewyssmith> Just have to look at previous bugs; it occurs often. 19:34:50 <wilcal> So lets move on to: 19:34:52 <wilcal> #topic Anything else? 19:35:09 <lewyssmith> Yes. Give me a moment. 19:35:38 <wilcal> Last week I attended the NAB National Association of Broadcasters Show 19:35:43 <wilcal> 100,000 people 19:36:05 <wilcal> The Broadcasters are going to war with the Cable TV providers 19:36:22 <brian_> interesting 19:36:23 <wilcal> their weapon is called "ATSC 3.0" 19:36:30 <wilcal> you can look that up on the Internet 19:37:27 <kekePower> broadcasters can't win because the have to put a *beep* on every other word spoken 19:37:29 <kekePower> ;) 19:37:48 <wilcal> Kaffiene is our app that will be effected by that 19:38:22 <wilcal> There's some very compelling parts of 3.0 that will draw people back to getting their TV content over the air 19:39:01 <tjandrews> I can't get Kaffeine to work with ATSC now. It worked with KDE4, but freezes with Plasma 19:39:06 <wilcal> "4k" is the norm, "8K was being demonstrated, "16k" was being hinted at 19:39:47 <wilcal> anyway we arn't directly effected 19:40:12 <lewyssmith> Can I spout now? 19:40:15 <wilcal> The Toyko Olympics seems to be a stake in the ground on all that 19:40:23 <wilcal> Yes, please 19:40:27 <lewyssmith> With unhealthy intent, someone has pointed out - quite rightly - that our hierarchy is ropey. Particularly 1. No renewal of the Board mandate for 2y; 2. Lack of Council meetings, which should apparently happen every week(!). 19:40:29 <brian_> sure lewys 19:40:36 <lewyssmith> More to come... 19:41:02 <wilcal> I haven't seen a Council or Board meeting in months 19:41:32 <lewyssmith> Both the Board & Council must pull their socks up. DO it. It leaves us vulerable to criticism, even if it is quite unimportant. 19:41:44 <wilcal> I will participate in both but can't be the head hancho 19:41:59 <lewyssmith> They could change the rules to one council meeting at least per month. 19:42:12 <wilcal> I agree with that 19:42:43 <wilcal> Board meeting, even to lift beers, once a Quarter 19:42:52 <lewyssmith> There is a storm in a teacup in France, & this has been used as ammunition. 19:43:24 <wilcal> Are people physically meeting? 19:43:25 <lewyssmith> The board only has to renew itself each year. It has been overlooked for 2y. They need to do that NOW. 19:43:37 <wilcal> I agree with that 19:43:52 <brian_> I still wonder who is stirring the pot on this? 19:44:33 <lewyssmith> For the Council, Dave has explained that they speak by mailList. But, like QA, MUST IRC meet at least once a month (say) just to show they are alive & kicking. 19:44:57 <wilcal> up 19:44:59 <wilcal> yup 19:45:29 <lewyssmith> So I hope that you Bill & TJ will kick over this. I mean this. 19:45:36 <wilcal> thks 19:45:57 <wilcal> so anything else? 19:46:12 <lewyssmith> It is important (for image ifd nothing else); and urgent. 19:46:13 <brian_> not frmo me 19:46:20 <wilcal> I'm done 19:46:57 <wilcal> Time for countdown 19:47:02 <wilcal> T-5 19:47:07 <wilcal> T-4 19:47:12 <wilcal> Thanks all for coming 19:47:17 <lewyssmith> I have come to recognise that we in QA do a *good job* as a team. 19:47:27 <wilcal> This is a great team, yes 19:47:32 <wilcal> T-3 19:47:34 <lewyssmith> Like these IRC meetings. 19:47:39 <wilcal> T-2 19:47:46 <wilcal> T-1 19:47:48 <wilcal> bye all 19:47:50 <wilcal> #endmeeting