19:01:46 <DavidWHodgins> #startmeeting 19:01:46 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu Apr 5 19:01:46 2018 UTC. The chair is DavidWHodgins. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:01:46 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:01:47 <tjandrews> Bill, I just saw the email before I came here. You need to change the time on your form. It still says "20:00." 19:01:57 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal tjandrews lewyssmith 19:01:57 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins lewyssmith tjandrews wilcal 19:02:13 <wilcal> Are we at 19:00 at Europe? 19:02:27 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Yes 19:02:37 <wilcal> Ok I'll change that, thanks 19:02:38 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello 19:03:01 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who hasn't been to a qa team irc meeting before? 19:03:16 <lewyssmith> What about our new 'friend' Andrew?! 19:03:30 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:03:55 <DavidWHodgins> The spammer hasn't shown up on irc yet 19:04:07 <lewyssmith> So far... 19:04:16 <tjandrews> That we know of... 19:04:16 <DavidWHodgins> If he does, I can kick and/or ban him 19:04:40 <benmc_> Looks like noone needs here 19:04:49 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * QA Election results 19:04:57 <kekePower> evening all 19:05:07 <wilcal> hello keke 19:05:11 <lewyssmith> Agreed to leave as-is, I thought. 19:05:18 <DavidWHodgins> As per the ml, me, wilcal (Bill Kenny), tjandrews (Thomas Andrews) 19:05:20 <benmc_> Yep 19:05:26 <kekePower> wilcal: :-) 19:05:34 <DavidWHodgins> Any questions or comments? 19:05:41 <kekePower> DavidWHodgins: Sounds good to me 19:05:52 <kekePower> you all seem to have a good grasp of these things 19:06:05 <tjandrews> When does my 10% pay raise kick in? 19:06:07 <lewyssmith> Leave well alone. 19:06:14 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: I've added your email address to my gmail whitelist. Msgs directly to me were going into the spam folder. 19:06:23 <kekePower> tjandrews: You'll get you $5000 reward soon enough 19:06:29 <DavidWHodgins> lol 19:06:31 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins, gmail does that. 19:06:49 <DavidWHodgins> Shouldn't happen now that the address is in the whitelist 19:07:09 <DavidWHodgins> I only check the spam folder when I think of it, typically about once a month 19:07:17 <lewyssmith> Nor should that be necessary; I have the problem all round with gmail. 19:07:26 <tjandrews> Same here, only not so often. 19:07:43 <lewyssmith> Curious: I get no spam. 19:08:04 <kekePower> I used to have my own mail server, but it was too much work keeping all the spam at bay 19:08:09 <kekePower> that's why I like gmail 19:08:30 <DavidWHodgins> For the most part it's very good, but you do have to watch for false positives 19:08:45 <lewyssmith> I think if you use gmail or any Google service, you are saking for spam. 19:09:20 <kekePower> I don't think I've seen any real spam in years on gmail 19:09:25 <hviaene> You tried hotmail?? 19:09:32 <DavidWHodgins> Actually, they are very good at filtering spam. They get so much of it there systems are well trained at spotting it. 19:09:41 <DavidWHodgins> Anyway, moving on ... 19:09:41 <lewyssmith> hviaene, Just as bad, I imagine. 19:09:42 <kekePower> but then again, I use yahoo when I register on sites I don't trust 19:09:44 <tarazed_> Just checked my spam folder - loads of messages from David Walser. 19:09:46 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing the Plasma/kf5/kde/qt Stack w/qarepo.pl continues 19:10:25 <lewyssmith> Everything looks good here, minor glitches apart. 19:10:34 <DavidWHodgins> I'm still in the process of making sure all the packages are listed in the right advisory before I add them to svn 19:10:43 <lewyssmith> The role od openssl needs clarifying. 19:10:53 <tjandrews> That's a job and a half. 19:11:13 <kekePower> tjandrews: I can take the half 19:11:16 <DavidWHodgins> It's a required package as it's needed to access any https site. 19:11:33 <lewyssmith> Is it in the list? 19:12:10 <wilcal> OK tis morning I built a brand new M6 x86_64 on a non-nvidia platform, updated that with qarepo, installed Vbox and all of that worked just fine 19:12:35 <DavidWHodgins> openssl is not currently in updates testing 19:12:51 <lewyssmith> Nobody has fallen foul of doing all the updates, I think. 19:13:16 <wilcal> I'm becoming very comfortable with qarepo.pl and the update list 19:13:47 <DavidWHodgins> openssl was pushed to updates 2 days ago 19:14:01 <lewyssmith> tjandrews, TJ, was it not you who had an update problem due to SSL? 19:14:23 <tjandrews> No, it was Morgan. 19:14:28 <lewyssmith> Sorry. 19:14:35 <wilcal> How confident are we with Morgans list? 19:14:42 <wilcal> As it is today 19:14:46 <DavidWHodgins> Whatever the problem was, it shouldn't cause any problems now 19:15:01 <lewyssmith> Morgan had a very old base system. 19:15:02 <DavidWHodgins> I'm not relying solely on the lists in the bug reports. 19:15:21 <lewyssmith> Nor can you rely on the RPMs bug lists! 19:15:47 <wilcal> oh nice and firm update process :-0..... 19:16:11 <wilcal> somewhere along the line this has to stabilize 19:16:17 <DavidWHodgins> I've downloaded the list of srpm packages on the mirrors. I'm going through to figure out which ones are for which bug reports. When that's done, I'll contact the packagers to see what should be done with those that are not listed 19:16:53 <DavidWHodgins> The srpm list is what will be used to control what's pushed from testing to updates 19:17:04 <lewyssmith> I posted that we need packager feedback. What is the status quo? 19:17:27 <DavidWHodgins> To get a list of all rpm packages for a given srpm ... 19:17:27 <lewyssmith> Are more updates forseeen? 19:17:38 <DavidWHodgins> urpmf --sourcerpm qttools5-5.9.4-1.mga6.src.rpm|sort 19:18:04 <DavidWHodgins> That will auto include all rpm packages for that srpm, both arches 19:18:11 <tjandrews> Updates for what? I believe we should ALWAYS expect more updates in general. 19:18:21 <lewyssmith> Are any of the bugs good to OK? If not, why not? 19:18:26 <benmc_> need to depart. May be back before end of meeting. bye all 19:18:34 <wilcal> bye 19:19:07 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: They are waiting for me to finish the advisories, and see if there are any srpms currently in testing that should have been included in the lists 19:19:34 <kekePower> I've only updated Imagemagick for mga6 and have set the bug report as dependent on the Plasma stack 19:19:48 <DavidWHodgins> The stack updates are ready to go, pending making sure we are not missing anything from the lists 19:20:02 <lewyssmith> At what point do we say that a certain bug is OK? Packagers to decide, in my view. 19:20:30 <kekePower> what worries me is lxqt 19:20:32 <DavidWHodgins> They've been assigned to qa. It's up to us to decide. 19:21:06 <lewyssmith> For individual application problems, do they warrant new bugs or correction under the existing updates? 19:21:09 <DavidWHodgins> kekePower: Yes lxqt has problems, but from what I've seen it's still better than what we had before. 19:21:20 <DavidWHodgins> New bug reports 19:21:27 <wilcal> I'm not quite understanding why lxqt effects the Plasma update 19:21:35 <DavidWHodgins> It doesn't 19:21:41 <kekePower> wilcal: it the opposite 19:21:48 <DavidWHodgins> The qt update affects plasma and lxqt 19:21:48 <kekePower> s/it/it's 19:21:51 <lewyssmith> It depends on the Qt5 update, that is all. 19:21:53 <tjandrews> Everything I see says all are ready, as long as we get the full list. 19:22:06 <wilcal> two seperate prececess that don't efect each other right 19:22:18 <wilcal> ok thanks 19:22:28 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed. I'm working on the list, using scripts to automate it as much as possible to rule out me making dumb mistakes 19:22:40 <lewyssmith> LXQt does not effect the Plasma side; nor vice-versa. 19:23:03 <wilcal> to error is human to really screw things up takes a computer 19:23:10 <tjandrews> Dave, "dumb mistakes?" You? Never! 19:23:10 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:23:12 <kekePower> heh 19:23:35 <DavidWHodgins> I make typos or copy/paste errors all the tyme. :-) 19:23:56 <tjandrews> Oh, good! I thought I was the only one... 19:23:56 <lewyssmith> kekePower, Stig, why does ImageMagic depend on the Plasma update? 19:24:01 <DavidWHodgins> My using scripts that I test with small lists, I can rule those out. 19:24:20 <kekePower> lewyssmith: I was just being careful since Imagemagick bumped SONAME 19:24:24 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: It's like wireshark. It uses the qt libs 19:24:33 <tarazed_> kekePower: I regularly test IM on a Mate only system so now I shall have to move to a Plasma supported system? 19:25:04 <DavidWHodgins> tarazed_: No. 19:25:06 <lewyssmith> No: Qt. 19:25:14 <tarazed_> OK 19:25:17 <kekePower> IM had so many CVE's that we had no other option than to do the upgrade 19:25:46 <DavidWHodgins> That's fine. We allow version bumps if the prior version is no longer supportable. 19:26:02 <DavidWHodgins> And it doesn't break usage for existing users 19:26:28 <kekePower> there were also quite a lot of rebuilds ;) 19:26:40 <kekePower> "Rebuild for new Imagemagick" 19:26:45 <kekePower> yay 19:26:48 <DavidWHodgins> Though even that can have exceptions 19:27:31 <kekePower> I understood that when I pushed boost when I was an apprentice with rindolf 19:27:50 <kekePower> and was told afterwards that the update needed lots of rebuilds 19:27:59 <kekePower> system packages, I think it's called 19:29:09 <tarazed_> puppet still needs a feedback response - no registered maintainer? 19:29:27 <kekePower> ,maint puppet 19:29:32 <[mbot> There is no official maintainer for the puppet package. Here is the output of the list of svn commiters: misc, 14; guillomovitch, 12; thierry.v, 3; tmb@, 2; nicolaslecur, 2; colin.g, 2; blino, 2; pterjan@, 1; olav@vitt, 1; nanardon, 1; luigiwalser, 1; boklmiLeave, 1; 19:29:40 <wilcal> over the top complex package and no one in charge :-0 19:30:00 <tarazed_> A lot of pings 19:30:11 <kekePower> tarazed_: wilcal Yes, I think maybe one of the sysadmins will have a to take a look at that one 19:30:25 <wilcal> I've tinkered with puppet on a Vbox internal network 19:30:41 <DavidWHodgins> I haven't looked at puppet. Len, mind testing to see if that problem is a regression? 19:30:41 <tarazed_> tmb understood what the problem was 19:30:53 <wilcal> It's another one of those career packages 19:31:13 <tarazed_> Yes, I had tackled puppet before and this does look like a regression. 19:31:13 <wilcal> I think tmb uses it but he should not be in charge of it 19:31:43 <tarazed_> Something to do with a service package? 19:31:52 <DavidWHodgins> It's used to admin the mageia servers, so has been tested 19:32:56 <DavidWHodgins> Every change applied to the config files on the mageia servers is done using puppet 19:33:22 <kekePower> and that's what makes it so "scary" 19:33:31 <tarazed_> In testing it installs config files and other things in the wrong place so it cannot be started. 19:33:48 <lewyssmith> That is very basic. 19:33:48 <kekePower> if packaged wrongly, it can wreak havoc on a lot of systems 19:33:54 <DavidWHodgins> See http://gitweb.mageia.org/infrastructure/puppet/log/ 19:33:55 <[mbot> [ puppet - Mageia Infrastructure Configuration ] 19:34:48 <DavidWHodgins> I don't know how they prevent passwords in config files from being shown, but they do. All other changes are visible in the log 19:35:54 <DavidWHodgins> As it's already in use on our servers, and it's a package used by system admins only, I'm inclined to go ahead and validate it. 19:36:25 <lewyssmith> Even with Len's doubts? 19:36:30 <DavidWHodgins> Yes 19:36:57 <lewyssmith> Should they not at least be answered? 19:37:00 <DavidWHodgins> It's only used by admins who handle multiple systems. They know it's a critical package and how to work with it. 19:37:05 <tarazed_> Well, the regression is in testing installation. Still it saves me weeks of head scratching. 19:37:22 <DavidWHodgins> That would be preferable, but in this case I think it's ok without it. 19:38:18 <lewyssmith> I supoose if it *updates* OK, then flaky installation is less important. 19:38:34 <lewyssmith> That would cause a new bug. 19:39:42 <tarazed_> So that is agreed then. Pass it on? 19:39:55 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Just read the piror comments. I take it back. WIll contact tmb directly 19:41:07 <DavidWHodgins> I'll watch for him to login here and check it with him then. 19:41:17 <DavidWHodgins> So likely tomorrow. 19:42:11 <DavidWHodgins> To be clear, it's overwriting the existing pupent.conf, not creating a .rpmnew file? 19:42:36 <lewyssmith> [We seem to have advanced a Topic] 19:42:37 <tarazed_> That I cannot remember. Need a refresher. 19:43:18 <DavidWHodgins> Having the file empty on a new install is fine. If it's overwriting the existing conf file, then it's not ok. 19:44:39 <DavidWHodgins> tarazed_: Please check it again. If it's not overwriting the existing conf file, ok the bug. If it is, confirm that in the bug report 19:45:05 <tarazed_> Wilco. Maybe on a fresh system. 19:45:11 <DavidWHodgins> Any other questions or comments on the various stack updates? 19:45:32 <lewyssmith> tarazed_, I think of you, Len! 19:46:13 <tarazed_> Ta Lewis 19:46:21 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing updates - Any questions or problems 19:46:47 <hviaene> Shit, I'll have to fire M5 up again 19:47:07 <DavidWHodgins> nextcloud is the one I chose to make an exception for, to allow the update even though it will break installs for current users. 19:47:16 <lewyssmith> Updates are being cleared impressively well. 19:47:47 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: A lot of thanks to you for that, especially on the advisories 19:48:06 <tarazed_> +1 19:48:20 <lewyssmith> -4 who use SQLite, I think. 19:50:14 <wilcal> If we can clear off the Plasma thingy the list would really shorten up 19:50:31 <lewyssmith> That'll be the day... 19:50:50 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:51:02 <tjandrews> wilcal: I've been saying that for two weeks... 19:51:12 <kekePower> they keep releasing new Plasma versions quickly, I see 19:51:25 <DavidWHodgins> appstream, openconnect, renderdoc and Godot are packages I don't recognize so will have to look into 19:51:42 <lewyssmith> We really do need to know whether packagers still have anything up their sleeves. 19:52:41 <DavidWHodgins> Once I id any srpms that are not listed in bug reports and get feedback on those (if there are any), I think we are ready to go 19:53:26 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else? 19:53:41 <wilcal> Next week I will be at the https://www.nabshow.com/ all week so I won't be here for next weeks meeting. 100,000++ people go to this show. 4-days of people overload. I'll be wearing my openshot cap and my mageia polo shirt. 19:53:42 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone have any other questions or comments? 19:53:43 <[mbot> [ NAB Show | April 7 - 12 2018 ] 19:54:10 <wilcal> Lights, Camera Action :-)) 19:54:14 <lewyssmith> wilcal, Best of luck, Bill. 19:54:28 <kekePower> I'm still amazed at the level of expertise this group has 19:54:28 <DavidWHodgins> Enjoy it! 19:54:53 <wilcal> I'm done 19:54:54 <kekePower> so many packages and yet you still manage to test and validate 19:55:19 <wilcal> Martin's qarepo.pl has been a godsend 19:55:21 * kekePower goes back to packaging, fixing and pushing updates 19:55:24 <tjandrews> Aw, shucks... Twarn't nuthin'. 19:55:29 <lewyssmith> ! 19:55:34 <DavidWHodgins> While it (thankfully) doesn't happen very often, it's not the first time we've had a full qt or gtk update 19:55:57 <lewyssmith> Nothing on this scale before, I bet. 19:56:01 <hviaene> Not in my time 19:56:33 <DavidWHodgins> Only because the list of packages has gotten bigger. Software almost never shrinks. 19:56:49 <DavidWHodgins> Countdown time I guess 19:56:51 <lewyssmith> FWIW I am using Hexchat under LXQt on an update system. 19:56:58 <tarazed_> Are we closing in on mga6.1? 19:57:02 <wilcal> bye all see you in a couple weeks 19:57:12 <tarazed_> A' the best Bill 19:57:13 <lewyssmith> One thing at a time, please. 19:57:15 <wilcal> after the plasma update 19:57:16 <DavidWHodgins> We'll start on that after the qt updates are pushed 19:57:25 <hviaene> G' night all 19:57:31 <DavidWHodgins> T - 5 19:57:35 <DavidWHodgins> 4 19:57:38 <DavidWHodgins> 3 19:57:39 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone. A good turnout. 19:57:42 <DavidWHodgins> 2 19:57:46 <DavidWHodgins> 1 19:57:50 <tarazed_> Byw everybody 19:57:52 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone! 19:57:58 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting