20:01:54 <wilcal> #startmeeting
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20:01:56 <lewyssmith> kekePower: Reciprogates, Stigg.
20:02:07 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:02:09 <kekePower> lewyssmith: :)
20:02:24 <lewyssmith> I'm not new!
20:02:25 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
20:02:25 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
20:02:41 <wilcal> No one new I think
20:02:44 <kekePower> but every day is a new opportunity
20:03:00 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa
20:03:05 <wilcal> Hello David
20:03:14 <kekePower> howdy DavidWHodgins
20:03:17 <wilcal> #chair DavidWHodgins
20:03:17 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins lewyssmith wilcal
20:03:19 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Make dave chair, and sit back...
20:03:20 <rindolf> kekePower: you are now a padawan
20:03:21 <DavidWHodgins> Lost track of what day of the week it is. :-)
20:03:23 <wilcal> glad your here
20:03:29 <kekePower> rindolf: Really?
20:03:34 <rindolf> kekePower: yes
20:03:40 <wilcal> Easy to do this time of year
20:03:42 <kekePower> rindolf: *proud*
20:03:43 <rindolf> kekePower: you need to add the ssh key
20:03:48 <kekePower> rindolf: will do
20:04:00 <rindolf> kekePower: and then you can commit
20:04:10 <wilcal> Lets move on to an important issue
20:04:13 <wilcal> #topic M5.1 EOL
20:04:17 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: Welcome ( a bit late) TJ.
20:04:32 <tjandrews> Better late than never...
20:04:38 <wilcal> Brick wall effect. we are four days from EOL of M5.1
20:04:39 <DavidWHodgins> I see Luigi12 has been very busy
20:04:44 <lewyssmith> I meant I was late to say welcome.
20:04:49 <wilcal> And suddenly all kinds of bugs
20:04:52 * Luigi12 brings his sledgehammer
20:05:04 <DavidWHodgins> Very large number of updates to get through, but we'll do it
20:05:20 <lewyssmith> I have missed a couple of days. Dare not look now.
20:05:37 <Luigi12> many of them have been delayed several months because of how little help packagers have provided on security updates
20:05:42 <Luigi12> thanks of course to those who have helped
20:05:43 <kekePower> rindolf: added two keys :-)
20:06:01 <rindolf> kekePower: nice
20:06:03 <wilcal> Do they all disapper automatically on Jan 1
20:06:16 <DavidWHodgins> No
20:06:17 <Luigi12> no
20:06:36 <DavidWHodgins> If we are a few days late getting them out, then we are late. They still go out
20:06:44 <Luigi12> yep, as we've done in the past
20:06:55 <wilcal> So leave this issue open till next QA meeting?
20:07:02 <DavidWHodgins> The qa team has to be flexible
20:07:08 <lewyssmith> Luigi12: Welcome; long time no see here.
20:07:16 <DavidWHodgins> Hopefully we can finish them all before then
20:07:21 <Luigi12> there seem to be more users than usual not upgraded to the latest release
20:07:25 <Luigi12> myself included
20:07:26 <wilcal> Are all of these really that important
20:07:36 <Luigi12> no, I'll address that with a mail to the list
20:07:40 <DavidWHodgins> I'll be doing nothing but testing for the next few days
20:07:42 <Luigi12> start by focusing on the obviously important ones
20:07:47 <wilcal> Thank you Luigi
20:07:49 <Luigi12> I'll try to give some feedback on priorities
20:07:57 <wilcal> That will really help
20:08:14 <stratocaster7> Thunderbird is on the way - it is just taking a long time to build.
20:08:20 <wilcal> IMO the way you fix some of this is move to M6
20:08:28 <DavidWHodgins> Start with the most commonly used packages.
20:08:43 <Luigi12> not everyone can move to mga6, for various reasons
20:09:10 <wilcal> 1st of the year we have to move on to M7 or M6.1
20:09:22 <wilcal> takes limited resources
20:09:55 <DavidWHodgins> 6.1 can't start until the kernel updates are ready
20:09:55 <wilcal> Anyway I'll work what I can an be nice till next week
20:10:45 <wilcal> Lets move to a hot subject with tmb here
20:10:50 <wilcal> #topic kernel
20:11:03 <wilcal> lots of discussion on the mailing list on this
20:11:05 <Luigi12> sounds like the 4.14 isn't fully baked yet
20:11:06 <wilcal> where do we stand
20:11:32 <DavidWHodgins> I was about to validate the kernel updates when Brian found a problem
20:11:41 <wilcal> Kernel panic
20:11:48 <tmb> for 4.14 series I wait for the tests by Brian
20:11:50 <Luigi12> joeghi has a problem with 4.14 too, just hasn't reported it on the Bug
20:11:52 <wilcal> Kudos to Brian
20:12:10 <wilcal> I'm not having any problems with it
20:12:18 <DavidWHodgins> I'd already copied in the whiteboard and keyword entries, before noticing his comment. Forgot to clear them before adding my comment, so tmb had to clear them
20:12:30 <tjandrews> Yeah, better to find problems BEFORE we release.
20:12:47 <Luigi12> yeah, probably don't need to rush it
20:12:49 <tmb> Well, if it's not reported it does not exist...
20:12:54 <wilcal> Older hardware newer hardware?
20:12:58 <lewyssmith> It was an impressive QA excercise, very rapidly done.
20:12:59 <Luigi12> tmb: true
20:13:22 <wilcal> Just after Christmas the whole crew launched into kernel testing
20:13:35 <wilcal> Then the panic got reported
20:13:38 <Luigi12> joeghi said BFQ is messed up in 4.14
20:13:56 <lewyssmith> wilcal: As you said - that was good work.
20:14:16 <DavidWHodgins> I normally use the deadline scheduler
20:14:48 <wilcal> So we await a whole new set of rpm's?
20:14:55 <Luigi12> which scheduler do our kernels use by default?
20:15:06 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, once Brian confirms the new ones fix the problem
20:15:21 <wilcal> By this weekend?
20:15:51 <DavidWHodgins> Hopefully, but as always with testing, the deadline is "when it's ready".
20:16:15 <wilcal> Monday would be a bad day  :-9
20:16:25 <Luigi12> nobody works on Monday, it'd be a great day
20:16:35 <Luigi12> well I guess some people work, but :P
20:16:36 <kekePower> with hangovers and all
20:16:43 <Luigi12> be responsible :P
20:17:10 <wilcal> Anyway bug identified fix in process awaiting new rpms
20:17:10 <Luigi12> I'll be running a 5K that morning, and it'll be like 16 degrees (F, not C)
20:17:25 <wilcal> Wear your woolies
20:17:33 <DavidWHodgins> Don't remember what the default scheduler is. I remember reading about it some time ago, and for my ssd drives changed it to deadline.
20:18:03 <DavidWHodgins> That's on my day to day usage system. In my test installs, it uses whatever the default is.
20:19:27 <DavidWHodgins> #info Everyone, please do what you can to help clear the large list of updates waiting for testing
20:19:50 <Luigi12> I'd mainly focus on basic functionality testing to make sure there aren't obvious regressions
20:20:09 <DavidWHodgins> Especially for the m5 updates
20:20:12 <Luigi12> yes
20:21:00 <DavidWHodgins> Any questions about any of the specific updates? (Won't go through whole list here).
20:21:54 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:22:21 <DavidWHodgins> So, does anyone have anything else to discuss?
20:22:34 <wilcal> Not from me
20:22:43 <wilcal> Oh yes
20:22:49 <Luigi12> I should be mostly home through Monday, so I'll be on IRC if anyone needs me
20:22:59 <lewyssmith> Not discuss. Just to wish everyone a good new year.
20:23:06 <Luigi12> seconded
20:23:10 <wilcal> I should be able to put more time in as I've  firmed up the logistics of my move at the end of Jan
20:23:11 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:23:19 <DavidWHodgins> Good!
20:23:44 <DavidWHodgins> Count down time then
20:23:49 <wilcal> Once we get to the 3rd week of Jan I'm gonna be off line and then be back by hopefully 29 jan
20:23:50 <DavidWHodgins> T - 5
20:23:55 <wilcal> bye all
20:23:57 <DavidWHodgins> 4
20:24:00 <DavidWHodgins> 3
20:24:00 <kekePower> wishing everyone an awesome new year
20:24:02 <DavidWHodgins> 2
20:24:05 <DavidWHodgins> 1
20:24:13 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone.
20:24:19 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone. Enjoy the holidays!
20:24:25 <DavidWHodgins> #Endmeeting