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20:04:26 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
20:04:26 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
20:04:38 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:04:55 <wilcal> We're pretty light today
20:05:02 <lewyssmith> Anyone new? If so, please announce yourself.
20:05:24 <wilcal> Crickets
20:05:35 <hviaene> ?????
20:05:55 <wilcal> The sound of no sound is "Crickets"
20:06:01 <wilcal> English word
20:06:13 <lewyssmith> They make a lot of noise.
20:06:28 <wilcal> Lets go to:
20:06:29 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
20:06:31 <hviaene> OK
20:07:03 <wilcal> So we continue to see M5 bugs coming through
20:07:28 <wilcal> The Council agreed to 31dec17 as a brick wall for M5
20:07:48 <lewyssmith> I see I can clear many tested updates by doing their Advisories. So will do that. Jusy back from being away.
20:07:55 <wilcal> Some of the stuff coming through I'd challange that it's all critical
20:08:32 <lewyssmith> I have not yet studied the situation. Good for the mailList?
20:08:50 <hviaene> For KDE: will the nobody login be solved??
20:09:01 <wilcal> Probably not
20:09:02 <lewyssmith> I think we should.
20:09:18 <lewyssmith> Still 6w to go for it.
20:09:43 <wilcal> So the list is starting to get long
20:10:02 <wilcal> I validated konversation today
20:10:03 <lewyssmith> Hello Brian.
20:10:12 <wilcal> and PHP a couple days ago
20:10:15 <brian_> : Lewys Hi
20:10:25 <wilcal> Hi brian
20:10:29 <lewyssmith> I will be able to help again. We have seen worse.
20:10:37 <lewyssmith> tarazed_, Hello Len.
20:10:45 <brian_> hi all
20:10:47 <wilcal> Is there anything on that list that's gonna be a problem other then finding the time to do them
20:11:04 <lewyssmith> [Dare not look].
20:11:12 <tarazed_> Hi Lewis.  Hope you are well.
20:11:26 <lewyssmith> Yes thanks, Len.
20:11:41 <tarazed_> Funny you should say that.  sssd is beyond me.
20:11:45 <hviaene> There 's a few I'm stuck with, cann't make sense of these
20:12:00 <wilcal> What's botan?
20:12:17 <tjandrews> Usually, I don't know enough to do any real testing of updates, other than to install and see if my system breaks.
20:12:17 <hviaene> Beats me
20:12:20 <tarazed_> Dunno, but we have had it before.
20:12:42 <wilcal> Probably gonna be an install and update without errors
20:12:52 <lewyssmith> tjandrews, That is basic but useful. You can try more than you think if you pioke a bit.
20:12:56 <tarazed_> tj: you know a lot more than you think.
20:13:34 <wilcal> That's been sitting there for awhile
20:13:34 <brian_> sssd is going to be difficult unless you are in an ldap environment
20:13:52 <tjandrews> Often, I have no idea what apps might use a package, and how, and which ones don't.
20:13:58 <wilcal> A career builder
20:14:20 <lewyssmith> sssd: I suppose I must be to do Advisories; but do not understand it.
20:14:57 <tarazed_> botan. Botan is a BSD-licensed crypto library written in C++. It provides a......
20:15:01 <wilcal> Well there's nothing else from M7 at least for awhile so we concentrate on just testing updates
20:15:21 <lewyssmith> tjandrews, Start with urpmq -- what-requires[-recurseive] & filter the output if it is too long.
20:16:46 <wilcal> Lots "OK"s in there so keep slugging along as best you can
20:17:01 <wilcal> Not much else to discuss on this really
20:17:13 <wilcal> Gonna be a short one today
20:17:18 <tarazed_> brian_: yes probably.  I don't even know what an LDAP environment looks like.
20:17:32 <lewyssmith> tjandrews,  e.g. $ urpmq --what-requires-recursive <pkg> | sort | uniq
20:17:40 <wilcal> It's a combination of lots of things
20:17:53 <tarazed_> hviane: glad you sorted out your machine.
20:17:57 <wilcal> it designates a group of services
20:18:19 <brian_> ldap mostly used in M$ environments for user authentication.  It is availble through apache tools, but I haven't delved into that
20:18:52 <wilcal> Most serious servers di LDAP
20:19:12 <wilcal> But I think that all changed with the thing now called the "Cloud"
20:19:33 <hviaene> more or less, still things to get right and check
20:19:57 <wilcal> Anything else on updates?
20:20:04 <brian_> yup - might be good for someone in an academic env that might use ldap.  just a thought
20:20:08 <tmb> wilcal, ldap is still in the cloud... you just dont see it :)
20:20:10 <hviaene> Yes
20:20:16 <wilcal> Just keep working
20:20:39 <wilcal> I got involved in AWS about a year ago just to experience it
20:20:52 <wilcal> You can make a career out of that
20:20:55 <lewyssmith> AWS?
20:20:58 <hviaene> the icu update which has been pushed makes troubles on my Plasma 64bit
20:20:59 <Benmc> (good morning QA)
20:21:06 <wilcal> Morn'n Ben
20:21:27 <tarazed_> So wilcal you could maybe make sense of sssd?
20:21:35 <tarazed_> Hi Ben
20:22:13 <tarazed_> hviane: really?
20:22:14 <wilcal> Did everyone see my proceedure for setting up mariadb?
20:22:34 <tarazed_> Yep,  got it bookmarked somewhere.
20:22:58 <hviaene> packages to be removed because missing others
20:23:06 <wilcal> It ended up being pretty simple
20:23:33 <wilcal> but completely different from what it was
20:23:56 <wilcal> anything else here
20:23:56 <Bequimao> hviaene: did you run a full upgrade with updates_testing enabled?
20:24:55 <hviaene> not testing, the core updates. I have no testing repoe on the installation
20:25:05 <brian_> :wilcal can you send that link to me again?  I'd like to try it
20:26:00 <brian_> it'll be slow on my part, really really busy these days
20:26:16 <wilcal> it's in bug 21991
20:26:18 <[mbot> Bug: ['PHP 5.6.32', 'RESOLVED', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21991
20:26:24 <brian_> ok
20:26:49 <Bequimao> hviaene: icu update is here, I do not know what it is, but no problem so far.
20:26:53 <wilcal> sorry not there
20:27:02 <wilcal> I'll find it
20:27:41 <hviaene> I'll try to post the exact messages to qa-discuss tomorrow
20:27:49 <wilcal> Anything else here on updates
20:28:36 <wilcal> Moving on
20:28:38 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
20:28:58 <wilcal> So I stumbled across something that's going to cause us problems
20:29:14 <wilcal> Mozilla has release Firefox Ver 57
20:29:30 <wilcal> and internally it's hugely different then previous versions
20:29:44 <wilcal> Many most plugins wont work with it
20:29:48 <hviaene> I read about it.
20:30:14 <wilcal> Does not effect our Firefox 52.4 ESR but will on next ESR release mid 2018
20:30:21 <hviaene> Here  I am sort of dependent on the Beid plugin
20:30:23 <tjandrews> I put M6 on my brother's computer last week. P4, 2GB, MBR, Realtek wifi. Plasma works just fine, despite only 2GB RAM.
20:30:52 <wilcal> Found it when trying to export passwords and the plug in no work no more
20:30:52 <lewyssmith> That is plenty for Linux.
20:31:02 <lewyssmith> (to TJ).
20:31:09 <tjandrews> I finally have him trained enough that the transition from M5 was painless.
20:31:27 <wilcal> Ya that should be ok if you've got a decent HD
20:31:49 <wilcal> Because it will start swapping things in and out if you get busy
20:32:29 <wilcal> A lot of my testing I use a Vbox 3GB RAM client
20:32:35 <wilcal> 2GB RAM client
20:32:47 <tjandrews> He just does web browsing, email, and the occasional video.
20:33:03 <tjandrews> Nothing heavy at all.
20:33:06 <tarazed_> The rule of thumb has been 1*RAM for swap but maybe at least 2*RAM in this case.
20:33:21 <wilcal> Videos get addictive and they can consume resources quickly
20:33:47 <lewyssmith> hviaene, Herman, back to your icu update problem: did you try reverting it?
20:34:31 <hviaene> No, left it alone, I did not let the update go thru
20:35:03 <lewyssmith> So did you find problems just testing it?
20:35:49 <hviaene> No, just at the Core updates coming thru
20:36:18 <hviaene> This installation is not for testing
20:37:02 <hviaene> No testing repos enabled, never
20:37:13 <lewyssmith> Change of subject: do we know how Dave is?
20:37:27 <wilcal> I only use testing repos when i'm testing
20:38:03 <wilcal> Haven't seen him in a week or so
20:38:15 <tarazed_> He has been posting on the lists.
20:38:16 <wilcal> maybe more
20:38:21 <wilcal> kool
20:38:31 <hviaene> I have separate installations on that laptop: one plain, another for testing
20:38:45 <wilcal> Some reponses to my post about 32-bit on the support forum
20:39:14 <wilcal> One guy who claimed to be a Red Hat employee said they don't support it anymore
20:39:55 <tmb> wilcal, yep, redhat does not care about 32bit users
20:40:17 <wilcal> IMO M8 should have a 32-bit network install and that's about it
20:40:30 <wilcal> boot.iso
20:41:00 <wilcal> We're at least a year away from making those decisions
20:41:29 <wilcal> Anything else
20:41:36 <lewyssmith> Not here.
20:41:38 <Bequimao> wilcal: people who have 32-bit hardware don't have fast and reliable internet.
20:42:23 <wilcal> Got to have a repo on your local LAN. I do here
20:43:08 <wilcal> I see it as quick fast and light Vbox clients
20:44:33 <tarazed_> Is there much maintenance needed?
20:45:29 <wilcal> I let my main always on line server rsync at 4:05AM every day
20:45:55 <wilcal> I also log how long it takes to rsync usually less then an hour
20:46:16 <wilcal> source is kernel.org
20:46:49 <tarazed_> Sounds good.
20:47:30 <wilcal> I also like using a local repo that sycn's 1x per day so that I know I have a stable repo during testing
20:48:00 <wilcal> anything else
20:48:18 <brian_> nothing here
20:48:34 <wilcal> I'm done
20:48:42 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all, thanks for coming.
20:48:46 <tarazed_> Same here.
20:48:49 <wilcal> count down time
20:48:53 <wilcal> thanks all for being here
20:49:00 <wilcal> Keep working the bugs as best you can
20:49:03 <wilcal> T-5
20:49:15 <wilcal> T-4
20:49:19 <wilcal> T-3
20:49:20 <tarazed_> Ciao amici
20:49:24 <wilcal> T-2
20:49:26 <wilcal> Ciao
20:49:30 <wilcal> T-1
20:49:35 <wilcal> #endmeeting