20:04:02 <wilcal> #startmeeting 20:04:02 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Nov 16 20:04:02 2017 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:04:02 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:04:26 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith 20:04:26 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal 20:04:38 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 20:04:55 <wilcal> We're pretty light today 20:05:02 <lewyssmith> Anyone new? If so, please announce yourself. 20:05:24 <wilcal> Crickets 20:05:35 <hviaene> ????? 20:05:55 <wilcal> The sound of no sound is "Crickets" 20:06:01 <wilcal> English word 20:06:13 <lewyssmith> They make a lot of noise. 20:06:28 <wilcal> Lets go to: 20:06:29 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports 20:06:31 <hviaene> OK 20:07:03 <wilcal> So we continue to see M5 bugs coming through 20:07:28 <wilcal> The Council agreed to 31dec17 as a brick wall for M5 20:07:48 <lewyssmith> I see I can clear many tested updates by doing their Advisories. So will do that. Jusy back from being away. 20:07:55 <wilcal> Some of the stuff coming through I'd challange that it's all critical 20:08:32 <lewyssmith> I have not yet studied the situation. Good for the mailList? 20:08:50 <hviaene> For KDE: will the nobody login be solved?? 20:09:01 <wilcal> Probably not 20:09:02 <lewyssmith> I think we should. 20:09:18 <lewyssmith> Still 6w to go for it. 20:09:43 <wilcal> So the list is starting to get long 20:10:02 <wilcal> I validated konversation today 20:10:03 <lewyssmith> Hello Brian. 20:10:12 <wilcal> and PHP a couple days ago 20:10:15 <brian_> : Lewys Hi 20:10:25 <wilcal> Hi brian 20:10:29 <lewyssmith> I will be able to help again. We have seen worse. 20:10:37 <lewyssmith> tarazed_, Hello Len. 20:10:45 <brian_> hi all 20:10:47 <wilcal> Is there anything on that list that's gonna be a problem other then finding the time to do them 20:11:04 <lewyssmith> [Dare not look]. 20:11:12 <tarazed_> Hi Lewis. Hope you are well. 20:11:26 <lewyssmith> Yes thanks, Len. 20:11:41 <tarazed_> Funny you should say that. sssd is beyond me. 20:11:45 <hviaene> There 's a few I'm stuck with, cann't make sense of these 20:12:00 <wilcal> What's botan? 20:12:17 <tjandrews> Usually, I don't know enough to do any real testing of updates, other than to install and see if my system breaks. 20:12:17 <hviaene> Beats me 20:12:20 <tarazed_> Dunno, but we have had it before. 20:12:42 <wilcal> Probably gonna be an install and update without errors 20:12:52 <lewyssmith> tjandrews, That is basic but useful. You can try more than you think if you pioke a bit. 20:12:56 <tarazed_> tj: you know a lot more than you think. 20:13:34 <wilcal> That's been sitting there for awhile 20:13:34 <brian_> sssd is going to be difficult unless you are in an ldap environment 20:13:52 <tjandrews> Often, I have no idea what apps might use a package, and how, and which ones don't. 20:13:58 <wilcal> A career builder 20:14:20 <lewyssmith> sssd: I suppose I must be to do Advisories; but do not understand it. 20:14:57 <tarazed_> botan. Botan is a BSD-licensed crypto library written in C++. It provides a...... 20:15:01 <wilcal> Well there's nothing else from M7 at least for awhile so we concentrate on just testing updates 20:15:21 <lewyssmith> tjandrews, Start with urpmq -- what-requires[-recurseive] & filter the output if it is too long. 20:16:46 <wilcal> Lots "OK"s in there so keep slugging along as best you can 20:17:01 <wilcal> Not much else to discuss on this really 20:17:13 <wilcal> Gonna be a short one today 20:17:18 <tarazed_> brian_: yes probably. I don't even know what an LDAP environment looks like. 20:17:32 <lewyssmith> tjandrews, e.g. $ urpmq --what-requires-recursive <pkg> | sort | uniq 20:17:40 <wilcal> It's a combination of lots of things 20:17:53 <tarazed_> hviane: glad you sorted out your machine. 20:17:57 <wilcal> it designates a group of services 20:18:19 <brian_> ldap mostly used in M$ environments for user authentication. It is availble through apache tools, but I haven't delved into that 20:18:52 <wilcal> Most serious servers di LDAP 20:19:12 <wilcal> But I think that all changed with the thing now called the "Cloud" 20:19:33 <hviaene> more or less, still things to get right and check 20:19:57 <wilcal> Anything else on updates? 20:20:04 <brian_> yup - might be good for someone in an academic env that might use ldap. just a thought 20:20:08 <tmb> wilcal, ldap is still in the cloud... you just dont see it :) 20:20:10 <hviaene> Yes 20:20:16 <wilcal> Just keep working 20:20:39 <wilcal> I got involved in AWS about a year ago just to experience it 20:20:52 <wilcal> You can make a career out of that 20:20:55 <lewyssmith> AWS? 20:20:58 <hviaene> the icu update which has been pushed makes troubles on my Plasma 64bit 20:20:59 <Benmc> (good morning QA) 20:21:06 <wilcal> Morn'n Ben 20:21:27 <tarazed_> So wilcal you could maybe make sense of sssd? 20:21:35 <tarazed_> Hi Ben 20:22:13 <tarazed_> hviane: really? 20:22:14 <wilcal> Did everyone see my proceedure for setting up mariadb? 20:22:34 <tarazed_> Yep, got it bookmarked somewhere. 20:22:58 <hviaene> packages to be removed because missing others 20:23:06 <wilcal> It ended up being pretty simple 20:23:33 <wilcal> but completely different from what it was 20:23:56 <wilcal> anything else here 20:23:56 <Bequimao> hviaene: did you run a full upgrade with updates_testing enabled? 20:24:55 <hviaene> not testing, the core updates. I have no testing repoe on the installation 20:25:05 <brian_> :wilcal can you send that link to me again? I'd like to try it 20:26:00 <brian_> it'll be slow on my part, really really busy these days 20:26:16 <wilcal> it's in bug 21991 20:26:18 <[mbot> Bug: ['PHP 5.6.32', 'RESOLVED', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21991 20:26:24 <brian_> ok 20:26:49 <Bequimao> hviaene: icu update is here, I do not know what it is, but no problem so far. 20:26:53 <wilcal> sorry not there 20:27:02 <wilcal> I'll find it 20:27:41 <hviaene> I'll try to post the exact messages to qa-discuss tomorrow 20:27:49 <wilcal> Anything else here on updates 20:28:36 <wilcal> Moving on 20:28:38 <wilcal> #topic Anything else? 20:28:58 <wilcal> So I stumbled across something that's going to cause us problems 20:29:14 <wilcal> Mozilla has release Firefox Ver 57 20:29:30 <wilcal> and internally it's hugely different then previous versions 20:29:44 <wilcal> Many most plugins wont work with it 20:29:48 <hviaene> I read about it. 20:30:14 <wilcal> Does not effect our Firefox 52.4 ESR but will on next ESR release mid 2018 20:30:21 <hviaene> Here I am sort of dependent on the Beid plugin 20:30:23 <tjandrews> I put M6 on my brother's computer last week. P4, 2GB, MBR, Realtek wifi. Plasma works just fine, despite only 2GB RAM. 20:30:52 <wilcal> Found it when trying to export passwords and the plug in no work no more 20:30:52 <lewyssmith> That is plenty for Linux. 20:31:02 <lewyssmith> (to TJ). 20:31:09 <tjandrews> I finally have him trained enough that the transition from M5 was painless. 20:31:27 <wilcal> Ya that should be ok if you've got a decent HD 20:31:49 <wilcal> Because it will start swapping things in and out if you get busy 20:32:29 <wilcal> A lot of my testing I use a Vbox 3GB RAM client 20:32:35 <wilcal> 2GB RAM client 20:32:47 <tjandrews> He just does web browsing, email, and the occasional video. 20:33:03 <tjandrews> Nothing heavy at all. 20:33:06 <tarazed_> The rule of thumb has been 1*RAM for swap but maybe at least 2*RAM in this case. 20:33:21 <wilcal> Videos get addictive and they can consume resources quickly 20:33:47 <lewyssmith> hviaene, Herman, back to your icu update problem: did you try reverting it? 20:34:31 <hviaene> No, left it alone, I did not let the update go thru 20:35:03 <lewyssmith> So did you find problems just testing it? 20:35:49 <hviaene> No, just at the Core updates coming thru 20:36:18 <hviaene> This installation is not for testing 20:37:02 <hviaene> No testing repos enabled, never 20:37:13 <lewyssmith> Change of subject: do we know how Dave is? 20:37:27 <wilcal> I only use testing repos when i'm testing 20:38:03 <wilcal> Haven't seen him in a week or so 20:38:15 <tarazed_> He has been posting on the lists. 20:38:16 <wilcal> maybe more 20:38:21 <wilcal> kool 20:38:31 <hviaene> I have separate installations on that laptop: one plain, another for testing 20:38:45 <wilcal> Some reponses to my post about 32-bit on the support forum 20:39:14 <wilcal> One guy who claimed to be a Red Hat employee said they don't support it anymore 20:39:55 <tmb> wilcal, yep, redhat does not care about 32bit users 20:40:17 <wilcal> IMO M8 should have a 32-bit network install and that's about it 20:40:30 <wilcal> boot.iso 20:41:00 <wilcal> We're at least a year away from making those decisions 20:41:29 <wilcal> Anything else 20:41:36 <lewyssmith> Not here. 20:41:38 <Bequimao> wilcal: people who have 32-bit hardware don't have fast and reliable internet. 20:42:23 <wilcal> Got to have a repo on your local LAN. I do here 20:43:08 <wilcal> I see it as quick fast and light Vbox clients 20:44:33 <tarazed_> Is there much maintenance needed? 20:45:29 <wilcal> I let my main always on line server rsync at 4:05AM every day 20:45:55 <wilcal> I also log how long it takes to rsync usually less then an hour 20:46:16 <wilcal> source is kernel.org 20:46:49 <tarazed_> Sounds good. 20:47:30 <wilcal> I also like using a local repo that sycn's 1x per day so that I know I have a stable repo during testing 20:48:00 <wilcal> anything else 20:48:18 <brian_> nothing here 20:48:34 <wilcal> I'm done 20:48:42 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all, thanks for coming. 20:48:46 <tarazed_> Same here. 20:48:49 <wilcal> count down time 20:48:53 <wilcal> thanks all for being here 20:49:00 <wilcal> Keep working the bugs as best you can 20:49:03 <wilcal> T-5 20:49:15 <wilcal> T-4 20:49:19 <wilcal> T-3 20:49:20 <tarazed_> Ciao amici 20:49:24 <wilcal> T-2 20:49:26 <wilcal> Ciao 20:49:30 <wilcal> T-1 20:49:35 <wilcal> #endmeeting