19:04:26 <wilcal> #startmeeting 19:04:26 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Oct 26 19:04:26 2017 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:04:26 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:04:34 <wilcal> Welcome all to another 19:04:45 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith 19:04:45 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal 19:05:05 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 19:05:10 <wilcal> anyone new here 19:05:25 <lewyssmith> Please speak up if so. 19:05:50 <wilcal> nope 19:05:58 <wilcal> so lets talk about 19:06:00 <wilcal> #topic M5.1 EOL 19:06:09 <lewyssmith> Tricky... 19:06:11 <wilcal> what's left on the list and what needs to be done 19:07:03 <kekePower> Flash just got updated 19:07:05 <lewyssmith> You have just done VBox. 19:07:06 <wilcal> I'll work the nvidia bug 21855 19:07:09 <[mbot> Bug: ['Update request: nvidia-current 384.90', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21855 19:07:19 <lewyssmith> Tomcat is easy if tedious. 19:07:34 <tarazed_> nvidia is almost ready to go 19:07:53 <lewyssmith> Hope so, both releases? 19:07:56 <tarazed_> Some are still on feedback 19:08:05 <wilcal> so by the time we meet next week this list should be almost nothing 19:08:14 <lewyssmith> We leave those; they are old. 19:08:24 <wilcal> and forgotten 19:08:29 <tarazed_> lewis: yes we need to clear i586 for nvidia 19:08:34 <wilcal> can't fix'm all 19:09:18 <lewyssmith> The sdl2 things are the main problems. 19:09:19 <wilcal> so work what you can and we'll revisit it again next meeting 19:09:50 <tarazed_> sdl2 is actually two bugs which need to be worked as one 19:09:54 <lewyssmith> We must certainly prioritise Mageia 5 updates for the next week. 19:10:16 <wilcal> Easy way to test sdl2? 19:10:21 <lewyssmith> Since most are M6 also, no harm in that. 19:10:32 <tarazed_> Yes, games and an image viewer 19:10:38 <wilcal> low risk 19:11:05 <lewyssmith> The sdl2 things seem to involve mingw also, which rings a bell. 19:11:19 <tarazed_> Only on mga6 19:12:01 <lewyssmith> irssi is done; Gwenview should be asey. 19:12:44 <lewyssmith> Cazn we push an M56/M6 update for one release only if thatonly is tested? Procmail. 19:13:01 <tarazed_> Will bugs continue to be posted to mga5 19:13:20 <lewyssmith> They should not be after EOL. 19:13:20 <wilcal> if the files are essentially the same i'd say yes 19:13:21 <tarazed_> Dunno 19:14:08 <tarazed_> wilcal: agreed 19:14:37 <wilcal> We're kinda jumping to: 19:14:41 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports 19:14:56 <lewyssmith> We have sort of done this above! 19:15:21 <tarazed_> Gonna be a quick meeting 19:15:25 <wilcal> so there's some common packages in both so ok in M6 sb ok in M5.1 19:15:33 <wilcal> ya for sure 19:15:55 <wilcal> Anything on that list that is a problem 19:16:05 <lewyssmith> I will push thos M6-only updates with one arch test, mostly Herman's. 19:16:16 <wilcal> ooOOoo wine is in there always fun 19:16:27 <wilcal> OK by me lewys 19:16:46 <wilcal> I'l work the nvidia thing in the next day(s) 19:17:24 <lewyssmith> I have never tried wine. does it work? 19:17:39 <wilcal> Good question 19:17:55 <kekePower> used wine to install Winamp the other day. worked great 19:17:58 <tarazed_> Yes, it does work. Had to install it for an ebook recently. 19:17:58 <wilcal> There's places you can look to see if a Win package will work on wine and they're pretty good 19:18:25 <wilcal> Where wine really falls down is packages that are specifically written for hardware 19:19:44 <tarazed_> tomcat is familiar 19:19:44 <wilcal> CyberPower has a package that is written specifically for their power supplies and Windows and that app does not work in wine 19:20:18 <lewyssmith> tarazed_, Tomcat: frequent & easy but tedious. 19:21:39 <lewyssmith> It is good that we are basically just talking updates testing, which is our main thing. 19:21:51 <tarazed_> DNF is there - I guess we should try to familiarize ourselves with manatools. 19:22:06 <wilcal> With tmb here I will ok virtualbox later today unless there is an objection 19:22:29 <tarazed_> None from me 19:22:57 <wilcal> anything else on updates other then working them 19:23:12 <lewyssmith> X11 again... 19:23:33 <tarazed_> Variety of hardware? 19:23:38 <wilcal> I wanted to bring up: 19:23:54 <wilcal> #topic HPLIP discussion 19:24:12 <wilcal> IS there a problem here? lots of discussion no bug yet? 19:24:32 <wilcal> is it specific to one user or more? 19:24:42 <wilcal> My printer worked fine a couple days ago 19:24:44 <tarazed_> I use it all the time and have not seen any problems 19:24:49 <wilcal> It's an HP 19:25:06 <lewyssmith> I have never knowingly used it, & wonder why it is there. 19:25:18 <wilcal> So nothing to be concerned about for now 19:25:55 <lewyssmith> Who first shouted on the mailList? 19:26:40 <lewyssmith> (about hplip) 19:26:56 <wilcal> Stig-Ørjan Smelror 19:27:03 <kekePower> no 19:27:11 <kekePower> I just compiled it for Fred James 19:27:11 <wilcal> fredjame@fredjame.cnc.net 19:27:17 <kekePower> MGA5 19:27:21 <lewyssmith> I recall an update done by Stig - congratulations for that. 19:27:26 <wilcal> ok is there a big problem here keke? 19:27:39 <wilcal> Just M5? 19:27:46 <kekePower> yes, that's what he needed 19:27:54 <Luigi12> this isn't QA's concern unless someone packages it as an official backport, which probably won't happen 19:28:00 <wilcal> so problem for us here 19:28:06 <kekePower> is there a reason why it's compiled with qt4 on MGA6? 19:28:06 <Luigi12> ^no problem 19:28:21 <wilcal> Thanks Luigi 19:28:29 <wilcal> #topic Anything else? 19:28:32 <lewyssmith> Luigi12, Long time no see, David. big welcome. 19:28:33 <Luigi12> if it can be compiled for Qt5, it probably should be, so feel free to file a bug 19:28:37 <wilcal> This is going to be a short meeting 19:28:38 <Luigi12> yeah I took off work today 19:28:49 <Luigi12> the EOL thing is kind of up in the air BTW 19:28:56 <kekePower> Luigi12: I'll do a local test first 19:28:57 <lewyssmith> Tell us. 19:29:01 <wilcal> I stopped working in Sept 2011 19:29:37 <kekePower> I've done a lot of work on bug 21594 19:29:39 <[mbot> Bug: ['Update request: Kodi 17.5', 'NEW', 'Anssi Hannula'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21594 19:29:48 <Luigi12> the online upgrade issue mga5->mga6 was never solved and lots of users aren't ready to ditch mga5 yet for various reasons 19:30:05 <kekePower> and would love to see it pushed to MGA6 19:30:11 <Luigi12> some of us would like to do some extended *limited* support, but everybody's too busy to officially discuss what's gonna happen 19:30:52 <Luigi12> so we'll see 19:31:05 <tmb> I guess first question is... would QA accept longer mga5 maintenance ? 19:31:13 <wilcal> I think we're officially saying to backup your system before upgrading from M5.1 -> M6 19:31:27 <wilcal> Not for upgrades 19:31:40 <kekePower> eatdirt told me he's gonna look into it, so I'm hopeful 19:31:42 <lewyssmith> tmb, If agreed by council, yes. I think. 19:31:59 <wilcal> I've long recommended that M5.1 KDE -> M6 Plasma should be "not recommended" 19:32:05 <Luigi12> well I don't think Debian-LTS uses the normal QA processes, so we wouldn't necessarily need to either if there was that big an objection to it 19:32:27 <Luigi12> wilcal: well that's not the only issue with upgrades 19:32:53 <Luigi12> because yes I agree with you on that point, it doesn't work great, but the online API for upgrades had to be turned off because of a different issue 19:33:11 <lewyssmith> ? 19:33:28 <Luigi12> Akien can explain it better, I don't use mgaonline for upgrades so I don't know all the details 19:33:49 <tmb> lewyssmith, ok so we can state that in next council meeting... and at the same time discuss level ov support 19:34:08 <wilcal> sounds like a plan 19:34:11 <lewyssmith> tmb, Careful§ I am not official! 19:34:25 <Luigi12> my idea was to just do extended support on a no-promises best-effort basis and mostly focus on core packages 19:34:32 <lewyssmith> But QA do their best... 19:34:39 <Luigi12> something to help those users still limping along on mga5 19:34:54 <lewyssmith> Good will is worth a *lot*. 19:34:59 <tarazed_> Would we have to do any upgrade testing? 19:35:13 <Luigi12> yes but we still have to do that anyway, since that issue hasn't been resolved yet 19:35:26 <tmb> the mgaonline update breakdown is that it does not have all needed packages as "priorrity upgrades" so mgaonline looses some libs it needs and ends up with a black screen iirc 19:35:33 <wilcal> Something to talk about at the Council meeting 19:35:36 <Luigi12> that sounds right 19:35:46 <kekePower> is it possible to script something to ease the KDE->Plasma migration? 19:35:46 <wilcal> maybe no new bugs filed against M5.1 19:35:55 <Luigi12> that's not helpful 19:36:15 <Luigi12> like I said, we can be more selective about which bugs we actually fix 19:36:55 <Luigi12> so we don't need to worry about obscure stuff that nobody uses, for instance 19:36:56 <tmb> iirc I saw some commits from tv that could probably fix the mgaonline crash, but I'd need to check with him 19:37:29 <lewyssmith> Where does the Classic DVD for Upgrade fit into this? 19:37:44 <Luigi12> you shouldn't use it unless you enable online repos, that's nothing new 19:38:05 <lewyssmith> The path is well documentd now. 19:38:06 <tmb> Classic DVD needs online repos for sane upgrades 19:38:07 <Luigi12> the main concern still outstanding w.r.t. upgrades right now is mgaonline 19:39:14 <lewyssmith> Is that the path most users would take? 19:40:07 <Luigi12> I don't think we know the answer to that, but it's the "easiest" method 19:40:26 <Luigi12> so there's a large group of our users that are still stuck because we haven't turned that back on 19:40:36 <lewyssmith> I think I used it in Mandrake days. 19:41:10 <Luigi12> historically I always used boot.iso and did the upgrade through the installer but in the Mageia days I've mostly upgraded online manually with urpmi. 19:41:49 <Luigi12> I think those are more "expert" options compared to mgaonline though 19:41:55 <lewyssmith> Is that documented? 19:42:03 <lewyssmith> (usong urpmi) 19:42:03 <Luigi12> yeah all the ways are documented on the wiki 19:42:11 <Luigi12> yep, in the release notes 19:42:57 <lewyssmith> Thanks. If that & Classic DVD (+ online repos) works, users do have possibilities. 19:43:19 <Luigi12> they do, but the most casual ones might not know, since they don't have the little blue icon in the system tray 19:44:25 <tarazed_> Evening Herman 19:44:26 <lewyssmith> So it looks as if we are looking at those users who do not actively do the upgrade, but let it happen when it does. 19:44:38 <Luigi12> essentially 19:44:45 <Luigi12> we do need to get that working 19:44:56 <hviaene> Hi all, just came home 19:44:56 <Luigi12> and give people some time 19:45:15 <lewyssmith> That sounds a +ve policy. 19:45:51 <Luigi12> anyway, I think we're done here 19:46:03 <wilcal> Anything else? 19:46:10 <lewyssmith> Not here. 19:46:18 <wilcal> Not from me 19:46:23 <hviaene> No 19:46:28 <Luigi12> keep up the good work QA peeps 19:46:28 <wilcal> Count down time thanks all for coming 19:46:35 <wilcal> T-5 19:46:38 <tarazed_> Thanks tmb and Luigi12 19:46:42 <wilcal> Do'n good gang 19:46:46 <wilcal> T-4 19:46:47 <lewyssmith> Seconded: thank you all for a good meeting. 19:46:53 <rindolf> thanks all 19:46:53 <wilcal> T-3 19:46:56 <kekePower> g'night all 19:46:57 <tarazed_> See ya - bye 19:47:01 <wilcal> Short meetings are always good meetings 19:47:04 <wilcal> T-2 19:47:06 <lewyssmith> Goodnight (here). 19:47:10 <wilcal> T-1 19:47:15 <wilcal> #endmeeting