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19:04:34 <wilcal> Welcome all to another
19:04:45 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
19:04:45 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
19:05:05 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:05:10 <wilcal> anyone new here
19:05:25 <lewyssmith> Please speak up if so.
19:05:50 <wilcal> nope
19:05:58 <wilcal> so lets talk about
19:06:00 <wilcal> #topic M5.1 EOL
19:06:09 <lewyssmith> Tricky...
19:06:11 <wilcal> what's left on the list and what needs to be done
19:07:03 <kekePower> Flash just got updated
19:07:05 <lewyssmith> You have just done VBox.
19:07:06 <wilcal> I'll work the nvidia bug 21855
19:07:09 <[mbot> Bug: ['Update request: nvidia-current 384.90', 'NEW', 'QA Team'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21855
19:07:19 <lewyssmith> Tomcat is easy if tedious.
19:07:34 <tarazed_> nvidia is almost ready to go
19:07:53 <lewyssmith> Hope so, both releases?
19:07:56 <tarazed_> Some are still on feedback
19:08:05 <wilcal> so by the time we meet next week this list should be almost nothing
19:08:14 <lewyssmith> We leave those; they are old.
19:08:24 <wilcal> and forgotten
19:08:29 <tarazed_> lewis: yes we need to clear i586 for nvidia
19:08:34 <wilcal> can't fix'm all
19:09:18 <lewyssmith> The sdl2 things are the main problems.
19:09:19 <wilcal> so work what you can and we'll revisit it again next meeting
19:09:50 <tarazed_> sdl2 is  actually two bugs which need to be worked as one
19:09:54 <lewyssmith> We must certainly prioritise Mageia 5 updates for the next week.
19:10:16 <wilcal> Easy way to test sdl2?
19:10:21 <lewyssmith> Since most are M6 also, no harm in that.
19:10:32 <tarazed_> Yes, games and an image viewer
19:10:38 <wilcal> low risk
19:11:05 <lewyssmith> The sdl2 things seem to involve mingw also, which rings a bell.
19:11:19 <tarazed_> Only on mga6
19:12:01 <lewyssmith> irssi is done; Gwenview should be asey.
19:12:44 <lewyssmith> Cazn we push an M56/M6 update for one release only if thatonly is tested? Procmail.
19:13:01 <tarazed_> Will bugs continue to be posted to mga5
19:13:20 <lewyssmith> They should not be after EOL.
19:13:20 <wilcal> if the files are essentially the same i'd say yes
19:13:21 <tarazed_> Dunno
19:14:08 <tarazed_> wilcal: agreed
19:14:37 <wilcal> We're kinda jumping to:
19:14:41 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
19:14:56 <lewyssmith> We have sort of done this above!
19:15:21 <tarazed_> Gonna be a quick meeting
19:15:25 <wilcal> so there's some common packages in both so ok in M6 sb ok in M5.1
19:15:33 <wilcal> ya for sure
19:15:55 <wilcal> Anything on that list that is a problem
19:16:05 <lewyssmith> I will push thos M6-only updates with one arch test, mostly Herman's.
19:16:16 <wilcal> ooOOoo wine is in there always fun
19:16:27 <wilcal> OK by me lewys
19:16:46 <wilcal> I'l work the nvidia thing in the next day(s)
19:17:24 <lewyssmith> I have never tried wine. does it work?
19:17:39 <wilcal> Good question
19:17:55 <kekePower> used wine to install Winamp the other day. worked great
19:17:58 <tarazed_> Yes, it does work.  Had to install it for an ebook recently.
19:17:58 <wilcal> There's places you can look to see if a Win package will work on wine and they're pretty good
19:18:25 <wilcal> Where wine really falls down is packages that are specifically written for hardware
19:19:44 <tarazed_> tomcat is familiar
19:19:44 <wilcal> CyberPower has a package that is written specifically for their power supplies and Windows and that app does not work in wine
19:20:18 <lewyssmith> tarazed_, Tomcat: frequent & easy but tedious.
19:21:39 <lewyssmith> It is good that we are basically just talking updates testing, which is our main thing.
19:21:51 <tarazed_> DNF is there - I guess we should try to familiarize ourselves with manatools.
19:22:06 <wilcal> With tmb here I will ok virtualbox later today unless there is an objection
19:22:29 <tarazed_> None from me
19:22:57 <wilcal> anything else on updates other then working them
19:23:12 <lewyssmith> X11 again...
19:23:33 <tarazed_> Variety of hardware?
19:23:38 <wilcal> I wanted to bring up:
19:23:54 <wilcal> #topic HPLIP discussion
19:24:12 <wilcal> IS there a problem here? lots of discussion no bug yet?
19:24:32 <wilcal> is it specific to one user or more?
19:24:42 <wilcal> My printer worked fine a couple days ago
19:24:44 <tarazed_> I use it all the time and have not seen any problems
19:24:49 <wilcal> It's an HP
19:25:06 <lewyssmith> I have never knowingly used it, & wonder why it is there.
19:25:18 <wilcal> So nothing to be concerned about for now
19:25:55 <lewyssmith> Who first shouted on the mailList?
19:26:40 <lewyssmith> (about hplip)
19:26:56 <wilcal> Stig-Ørjan Smelror
19:27:03 <kekePower> no
19:27:11 <kekePower> I just compiled it for Fred James
19:27:11 <wilcal> fredjame@fredjame.cnc.net
19:27:17 <kekePower> MGA5
19:27:21 <lewyssmith> I recall an update done by Stig - congratulations for that.
19:27:26 <wilcal> ok is there a big problem here keke?
19:27:39 <wilcal> Just M5?
19:27:46 <kekePower> yes, that's what he needed
19:27:54 <Luigi12> this isn't QA's concern unless someone packages it as an official backport, which probably won't happen
19:28:00 <wilcal> so problem for us here
19:28:06 <kekePower> is there a reason why it's compiled with qt4 on MGA6?
19:28:06 <Luigi12> ^no problem
19:28:21 <wilcal> Thanks Luigi
19:28:29 <wilcal> #topic Anything else?
19:28:32 <lewyssmith> Luigi12, Long time no see, David. big welcome.
19:28:33 <Luigi12> if it can be compiled for Qt5, it probably should be, so feel free to file a bug
19:28:37 <wilcal> This is going to be a short meeting
19:28:38 <Luigi12> yeah I took off work today
19:28:49 <Luigi12> the EOL thing is kind of up in the air BTW
19:28:56 <kekePower> Luigi12: I'll do a local test first
19:28:57 <lewyssmith> Tell us.
19:29:01 <wilcal> I stopped working in Sept 2011
19:29:37 <kekePower> I've done a lot of work on bug 21594
19:29:39 <[mbot> Bug: ['Update request: Kodi 17.5', 'NEW', 'Anssi Hannula'] https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21594
19:29:48 <Luigi12> the online upgrade issue mga5->mga6 was never solved and lots of users aren't ready to ditch mga5 yet for various reasons
19:30:05 <kekePower> and would love to see it pushed to MGA6
19:30:11 <Luigi12> some of us would like to do some extended *limited* support, but everybody's too busy to officially discuss what's gonna happen
19:30:52 <Luigi12> so we'll see
19:31:05 <tmb> I guess first question is... would QA accept longer mga5 maintenance ?
19:31:13 <wilcal> I think we're officially saying to backup your system before upgrading from M5.1 -> M6
19:31:27 <wilcal> Not for upgrades
19:31:40 <kekePower> eatdirt told me he's gonna look into it, so I'm hopeful
19:31:42 <lewyssmith> tmb, If agreed by council, yes. I think.
19:31:59 <wilcal> I've long recommended that M5.1 KDE -> M6 Plasma should be "not recommended"
19:32:05 <Luigi12> well I don't think Debian-LTS uses the normal QA processes, so we wouldn't necessarily need to either if there was that big an objection to it
19:32:27 <Luigi12> wilcal: well that's not the only issue with upgrades
19:32:53 <Luigi12> because yes I agree with you on that point, it doesn't work great, but the online API for upgrades had to be turned off because of a different issue
19:33:11 <lewyssmith> ?
19:33:28 <Luigi12> Akien can explain it better, I don't use mgaonline for upgrades so I don't know all the details
19:33:49 <tmb> lewyssmith, ok so we can state that in next council meeting... and at the same time discuss level ov support
19:34:08 <wilcal> sounds like a plan
19:34:11 <lewyssmith> tmb, Careful§ I am not official!
19:34:25 <Luigi12> my idea was to just do extended support on a no-promises best-effort basis and mostly focus on core packages
19:34:32 <lewyssmith> But QA do their best...
19:34:39 <Luigi12> something to help those users still limping along on mga5
19:34:54 <lewyssmith> Good will is worth a *lot*.
19:34:59 <tarazed_> Would we have to do any upgrade testing?
19:35:13 <Luigi12> yes but we still have to do that anyway, since that issue hasn't been resolved yet
19:35:26 <tmb> the mgaonline update breakdown is that it does not have all needed packages as "priorrity upgrades" so mgaonline looses some libs it needs and ends up with a black screen iirc
19:35:33 <wilcal> Something to talk about at the Council meeting
19:35:36 <Luigi12> that sounds right
19:35:46 <kekePower> is it possible to script something to ease the KDE->Plasma migration?
19:35:46 <wilcal> maybe no new bugs filed against M5.1
19:35:55 <Luigi12> that's not helpful
19:36:15 <Luigi12> like I said, we can be more selective about which bugs we actually fix
19:36:55 <Luigi12> so we don't need to worry about obscure stuff that nobody uses, for instance
19:36:56 <tmb> iirc I saw some commits from tv that could probably fix the mgaonline crash, but I'd need to check with him
19:37:29 <lewyssmith> Where does the Classic DVD for Upgrade fit into this?
19:37:44 <Luigi12> you shouldn't use it unless you enable online repos, that's nothing new
19:38:05 <lewyssmith> The path is well documentd now.
19:38:06 <tmb> Classic DVD needs online repos for sane upgrades
19:38:07 <Luigi12> the main concern still outstanding w.r.t. upgrades right now is mgaonline
19:39:14 <lewyssmith> Is that the path most users would take?
19:40:07 <Luigi12> I don't think we know the answer to that, but it's the "easiest" method
19:40:26 <Luigi12> so there's a large group of our users that are still stuck because we haven't turned that back on
19:40:36 <lewyssmith> I think I used it in Mandrake days.
19:41:10 <Luigi12> historically I always used boot.iso and did the upgrade through the installer but in the Mageia days I've mostly upgraded online manually with urpmi.
19:41:49 <Luigi12> I think those are more "expert" options compared to mgaonline though
19:41:55 <lewyssmith> Is that documented?
19:42:03 <lewyssmith> (usong urpmi)
19:42:03 <Luigi12> yeah all the ways are documented on the wiki
19:42:11 <Luigi12> yep, in the release notes
19:42:57 <lewyssmith> Thanks. If that & Classic DVD (+ online repos) works, users do have possibilities.
19:43:19 <Luigi12> they do, but the most casual ones might not know, since they don't have the little blue icon in the system tray
19:44:25 <tarazed_> Evening Herman
19:44:26 <lewyssmith> So it looks as if we are looking at those users who do not actively do the upgrade, but let it happen when it does.
19:44:38 <Luigi12> essentially
19:44:45 <Luigi12> we do need to get that working
19:44:56 <hviaene> Hi all, just came home
19:44:56 <Luigi12> and give people some time
19:45:15 <lewyssmith> That sounds a +ve policy.
19:45:51 <Luigi12> anyway, I think we're done here
19:46:03 <wilcal> Anything else?
19:46:10 <lewyssmith> Not here.
19:46:18 <wilcal> Not from me
19:46:23 <hviaene> No
19:46:28 <Luigi12> keep up the good work QA peeps
19:46:28 <wilcal> Count down time thanks all for coming
19:46:35 <wilcal> T-5
19:46:38 <tarazed_> Thanks tmb and Luigi12
19:46:42 <wilcal> Do'n good gang
19:46:46 <wilcal> T-4
19:46:47 <lewyssmith> Seconded: thank you all for a good meeting.
19:46:53 <rindolf> thanks all
19:46:53 <wilcal> T-3
19:46:56 <kekePower> g'night all
19:46:57 <tarazed_> See ya - bye
19:47:01 <wilcal> Short meetings are always good meetings
19:47:04 <wilcal> T-2
19:47:06 <lewyssmith> Goodnight (here).
19:47:10 <wilcal> T-1
19:47:15 <wilcal> #endmeeting