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19:02:31 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
19:02:31 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
19:02:52 <wilcal> note I have a flakey internet connection so may disappear at anytime
19:03:00 <wilcal> may take a few minutes to come back
19:03:13 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:03:29 <wilcal> see anyone new here
19:03:56 <lewyssmith> If you are, please announce yourself.
19:04:05 <lewyssmith> tarazed: Hello Len.
19:04:22 <wilcal> no one new i guess
19:04:23 <tarazed> Good day Lewys
19:04:35 <wilcal> #topic M6
19:04:46 <wilcal> is there anything we need to discuss on M6
19:04:56 <lewyssmith> (Was not in your agenda)
19:05:08 <brian__> anybody run into the issue with flaky Libreoffice?
19:05:15 <wilcal> I have not
19:05:22 <lewyssmith> Flaky how?
19:05:26 <tarazed> Nope.
19:05:32 <wilcal> I've found a problem with the spell checker on Kwrite
19:05:42 <wilcal> probably upstream
19:05:55 <brian__> I ran into a couple of issues in libreoffice 5.  One macros lock it up, just choosing macros
19:05:56 <rindolf> abiword is FUBAR
19:06:22 <lewyssmith> I hope that means 'no good'.
19:06:35 <wilcal> So we're kinda back issuing bugs for these things
19:06:51 <lewyssmith> Normal & reasonable.
19:06:52 <brian__> sometime click on the text menu File --- etc causes it to close.  Seems to have resolved on reboot though
19:07:08 <brian__> yeah - not new product, but existing product suppor tnow
19:07:43 <wilcal> so other then a few scattered things no showstoppers
19:07:51 <brian__> does anyone out in cyberworld support abiword anymore?
19:08:13 <lewyssmith> Any user feedback yet, reviews of M6?
19:08:13 <wilcal> boy i haven't used that in years
19:08:16 <brian__> no major show stoppers, it's live
19:08:51 <lewyssmith> Abiword: I got fed up with it trashing documents.
19:09:04 <brian__> ah - you experienced that as well
19:09:11 <tarazed> It always seemed to be in development
19:09:55 <wilcal> abiword is not part of the base install right
19:09:56 <lewyssmith> Pity it was not fixed; equivalent to M$ WordPad.
19:10:16 <brian__> true - it make come in base lxde
19:10:28 <brian__> it used to I believe or was it in Mate as well?
19:10:35 <wilcal> It's not in Plasma
19:10:55 <brian__> yeah not plasma - it was reserved for very light DE installs prior
19:11:40 <brian__> oh well, I remember using it months ago and coming up with corrupt docs
19:11:44 <brian__> that ended that usage
19:11:56 <wilcal> I'm still seeing some Random ksmserver errors
19:12:20 <wilcal> seem to diminish as I use the system
19:12:27 <wilcal> but never completely go away
19:13:11 <wilcal> anyway lets move on
19:13:28 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates
19:13:43 <wilcal> Vbox went through nicely
19:13:52 <wilcal> phb went throug
19:14:04 <lewyssmith> Huge list. Give me time to ask a question, please.
19:14:13 <wilcal> I'm tinkering with supervisor
19:14:19 <tarazed> So am I
19:14:25 <wilcal> ask away
19:14:34 <lewyssmith> About 32+64 OKs, when exactly to ask for.
19:14:58 <wilcal> I think that's a good policy lewys
19:15:20 <wilcal> 32-bit continues to fade away in our review mirror
19:15:21 <lewyssmith> We are agreed about some criteria: kernels, VB etc. But I wonder about the 'bold' entries.
19:15:53 <lewyssmith> I had posted that these should have 2 OKs, but am beginning to doubt this.
19:16:00 <wilcal> a clean install of update may be in order for 32-bit
19:16:36 <brian__> Lewys - what is your concern?
19:16:44 <tarazed> And most can go via vbox
19:16:54 <lewyssmith> We currently have 2 * 5 bold updates, with 4 OKs out of a possible 20. Needs 16 more...
19:16:54 <brian__> just the slowness to get ok's?
19:17:34 <lewyssmith> Hence we could revise the 'bold updates need both architectures' to just the agreed list of kernels etc.
19:17:49 <brian__> yes their is a lot of work out there to do
19:18:10 <wilcal> sounds likem a plan
19:18:19 <lewyssmith> i.e. Consider whether, currently, bold automatically means 2 OKs. Look at the list, say what you think.
19:18:21 <tarazed> Those are the ones that don't suit vbox
19:19:33 <lewyssmith> I am coming round to the view that bold should *not* automatically imply 2 OKs, or we may never catch up.
19:20:14 <brian__> with 5 & 6 I see your concern
19:20:23 <brian__> MGA5&6
19:20:36 <lewyssmith> -3 What do *you* say to this?
19:21:08 <wilcal> I agree with you lewys
19:21:25 <lewyssmith> Shlomi, Len, Brian?
19:21:27 <brian__> I don't understand the question Lewys.  Do you mean if we get 3 out of 4 okays we're good?
19:22:01 <lewyssmith> No; just that 1 OK per release normally suffices. Temporarily.
19:22:16 <rindolf> lewyssmith: i'm fine either way
19:22:30 <brian__> ok - so 1 for MGa6 and 1 for MGA5?
19:22:56 <brian__> if so, I'd like to see that jump architecture meaning at least one 32 bit test and one 64-bit test
19:23:01 <lewyssmith> Yes; for the moment.
19:23:31 <brian__> meaning if mga5 got a 32-bit ok and mga6 got a 64-bit I'd feel pretty comfortable.
19:23:40 <tarazed> 32-bit on at least one architecture?
19:23:50 <lewyssmith> Or 2 64-bit: arch difference very rarely matters.
19:24:03 <brian__> but one per release is fine either way, just a slight gamble on compilation issues
19:24:19 <brian__> tech folk thoughts?
19:24:37 <lewyssmith> Agree. Or we could ask for just 'clean update' for the other arch.
19:24:41 <tarazed> Must admit I have never seen a failure on one - I think.
19:24:50 <wilcal> i'm starting to feel that clean updates in 32-bit are fine
19:25:01 <wilcal> no detailed proceedure
19:25:02 <tarazed> Yep.
19:25:03 <lewyssmith> 'Clean update' is normally V quick to do.
19:25:15 <brian__> I agree on that.  "Clean update"
19:25:23 <tarazed> +1
19:25:23 <wilcal> makes it easy
19:25:45 <wilcal> so for now lets agree with that
19:25:48 <lewyssmith> Thanks. I will post something suitable.
19:26:18 <lewyssmith> For the rest, updates are getting nibbled at. We are not yet beaten!
19:26:26 <wilcal> test in 64 clean update in 32
19:26:27 <tarazed> And we should validate sooner
19:26:42 <tarazed> Since Rémi says it is OK we should perhaps not be shy about validating without the *
19:26:59 <lewyssmith> -2 I have already poked that one...
19:27:20 <brian__> on that I really am leaving it up to the lead (Lewys in this case) to validate.  I am concerned to do otherwise
19:27:41 <wilcal> If i can get a simple proceedure on supervisor that one would work nicely on Vbox
19:27:59 <brian__> as the team may not agree that my testing is sufficient, so a second set of eyes is good
19:28:28 <neoclust> hi
19:28:34 <tarazed> Hey, we have confidence in you Brian
19:28:39 <neoclust> what is the URL in madb to see updates that need to be fixed ?
19:28:42 <lewyssmith> brian__: Your tests are better than some of ours, Brian.
19:28:46 <neoclust> (not the one the QA need to test )
19:28:48 <brian__> LOL - but still
19:28:58 <wilcal> I've always thought that security updates and functional updates are different animals
19:29:05 <brian__> Hi neoclust - welcome!
19:29:13 <neoclust> brian__: hello
19:29:21 <neoclust> i have some time for packaging tonigh :)
19:29:27 <wilcal> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates
19:29:29 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
19:29:32 <tarazed> neoclust:
19:29:37 <tarazed> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates
19:29:40 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
19:29:41 <tarazed> That one?
19:29:57 <neoclust> tarazed: no, this one is the link to updates fixed and need love by QA Team
19:30:08 <jkerr82508> neoclust: http://madb.mageia.org/tools/security
19:30:08 <neoclust> i want the link to updates packages need to fix
19:30:09 <lewyssmith> neoclust: http://madb.mageia.org/tools/security
19:30:11 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Security issues ]
19:30:13 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Security issues ]
19:30:37 <neoclust> yes this
19:30:40 <neoclust> thanks
19:30:46 <neoclust> i think i need to work now :)
19:30:50 <lewyssmith> jkerr82508: Snap!
19:31:49 <wilcal> anything else other then do as best you can on these things
19:32:09 <lewyssmith> Nothing more to say.
19:32:27 <brian__> will do
19:32:31 <wilcal> that takes us to
19:32:33 <wilcal> #topic Anything Else?
19:32:42 <lewyssmith> Not here.
19:32:49 <tarazed> No
19:32:49 <brian__> nada
19:32:55 <wilcal> Surfs up here :-))
19:33:14 <rindolf> no
19:33:21 <rindolf> nothin else
19:33:21 <lewyssmith> Thansk to those who came, and as usual to Bill for his IRC leadership.
19:33:26 <wilcal> ok quickly to count down
19:33:32 <wilcal> T-5
19:33:45 <wilcal> T-4
19:33:48 <tarazed> See you all - tata
19:33:52 <wilcal> T-3
19:33:56 <wilcal> bye all
19:33:58 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all.
19:34:00 <wilcal> T-2
19:34:04 <wilcal> T-1
19:34:05 <rindolf> bye all
19:34:07 <wilcal> #endmeeting