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19:04:21 <tarazed> Sundown in an hour or so here
19:04:32 <wilcal> Welcome to another one
19:04:43 <wilcal> 1-week post M6 release
19:04:59 <lewyssmith> Any good news?
19:05:02 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
19:05:02 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
19:05:30 <wilcal> first lets
19:05:32 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:05:39 <wilcal> anyone new to the group
19:06:11 <wilcal> nobodies raising their hand
19:06:31 <wilcal> #topic M6 Mageia
19:06:55 <wilcal> Except for the upgrade issue I've not seen too much
19:06:56 <brian___> how are the reviews?
19:07:20 <lewyssmith> I replied on the Blog to the fellow who was stupidly abusive.
19:08:13 <wilcal> ya i saw that
19:08:24 <lewyssmith> Accepting minor wrinkles, Mageia 6 is a good release.
19:08:38 <wilcal> very stable
19:09:06 <wilcal> I've one more box to upgrade here and it's the main server
19:09:13 <tarazed> My production machine is M6 - no problems
19:09:23 <wilcal> everything else is switched over and no problems
19:10:03 <brian___> Prod is now m6 as well.  Laptop still needs the upgrade
19:10:03 <lewyssmith> Welcome TJ
19:10:07 <tarazed> Hi there tj
19:10:18 <tjandrews> Hi.
19:10:20 <wilcal> in retrospect should we have discouraged nvideia based KDE -> Plasma upgrades?
19:10:31 <lewyssmith> We did, rather.
19:10:53 <wilcal> Maybe not strong enough. Don't do it IMO
19:11:11 <lewyssmith> It has been said many times.
19:11:26 <tarazed> Is it a permanent recommendation?
19:11:56 <tarazed> i.e. M6 -> M7
19:12:03 <lewyssmith> No.
19:12:06 <tjandrews> I don't like upgrades anyway, which I've said many times, too.
19:12:10 <wilcal> So officially M6 is behind us and now just updates for awhile
19:12:21 <lewyssmith> We had a huge deate on qa-discuss.
19:12:33 <tarazed> And some - two releases
19:12:48 <lewyssmith> I have just posted about that.
19:13:25 <lewyssmith> For the next topic...
19:13:40 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
19:13:47 <wilcal> Big pile
19:13:49 <lewyssmith> Give me a moment...
19:14:19 <wilcal> I've an empty weekend in front of me and should be able to work on some of those
19:14:37 <lewyssmith> The main question we need to decide is: Is just a 32-bit test OK sufficient? We already permit just 64-bit.
19:14:58 <tarazed> Buried in M5 graphics magick
19:15:07 <lewyssmith> I have knocked off several as 64-bit OK only.
19:15:30 <tjandrews> I have a full week coming up. Going on a fishing trip. Probably won't want to do any testing...
19:15:36 <tarazed> For items like GM definitely
19:15:43 <brian___> I'm not sure of the build differences between the two
19:15:50 <lewyssmith> Please, give an opinion about the same for 32-bit only.
19:16:33 <tarazed> If they are light updates I am happy to do 32bit in vbox
19:16:35 <brian___> I'm back from a trip and did some 32-bit.  My general opinion is if one arch is tested we should be ok
19:16:52 <tmb> I'd suggest 64bit tests are "more" important than 32bit, as according to downloads we have more 64bit users...
19:16:57 <wilcal> Especially if it's 64-bit
19:16:58 <tjandrews> I'd be OK with 32-bit only.
19:17:00 <brian___> however there is exposure
19:17:12 <brian___> I'd agree, 64-bit is the bigger audience
19:17:14 <lewyssmith> tarazed: Len, the question is "Can we OK a release with just a 32-bit test?"
19:17:36 <tarazed> I would be more inclined to 32bit testing after mga5 EOL
19:17:53 <tarazed> A hesitant yes.
19:17:56 <lewyssmith> We can go back to both, then.
19:17:58 <hviaene> Hi  all
19:18:16 <lewyssmith> Hello Herman. Talking about you (indirectly).
19:18:20 <brian___> ok
19:18:42 <brian___> I'm back, so have exposure to both architectures for now.
19:18:57 <hviaene> Dutch saying: my ears were whistling
19:19:12 <tarazed> herman: you have i586 only don't you?
19:19:14 <wilcal> :-)
19:19:20 <lewyssmith> tmb: - lots: the problem is, more 32-bit tests are being done currently. We need to profit from them.
19:19:29 <wilcal> The only way I can test 32-bit now is in Vbox
19:19:40 <hviaene> No, I have a x86-64 as well
19:20:30 <hviaene> But I spend my time in the i586, because I am one of the few with such HW
19:20:31 <brian___> all of my equipment is 64-bit, but run 32 on the low memory ones
19:21:08 <tmb> lewyssmith, yeah, I think 32bit tests are ok for most stuff and noarch stuff ... usually if it works on 32bit it will work on 64bit too...
19:21:09 <lewyssmith> TJ has said, for the moment, 32-bit OK only is acceptable (per release). Any seconders?
19:21:26 <wilcal> ok by me
19:21:44 <hviaene> Hmmmmmm
19:21:50 <lewyssmith> I will post that; we can alwys back-track once the situation is under control.
19:22:00 <tjandrews> Could we ask for some kind of flag in the cases where 64-bit is needed too?
19:22:31 <lewyssmith> Just ML comment for kernels, mesa, VBox etc.
19:22:53 <wilcal> Anyone familiar with that OpenVPN
19:23:00 <lewyssmith> Theorteically 64-bit is always needed. This is exceptional.
19:23:03 <tarazed> If most people have to go to vbox for i586 is that a good idea?
19:23:09 <brian___> I can run the basic tests.
19:23:12 <tarazed> Definitely not for kernels.
19:23:17 <lewyssmith> And you do.
19:23:19 <brian___> (openvpn)
19:23:26 <lewyssmith> that was to brian.
19:23:55 <tmb> yeah, most real low level hw relasted stuff should be tested on both, so kernel, mesa, gpu drivers, glibc... the rest should be somewat safe
19:24:16 <lewyssmith> tmb: We all agree about this.
19:24:57 <wilcal> sounds like a plan
19:25:07 <lewyssmith> brian___: If you can do VPN, please do!
19:25:26 <wilcal> so onward we go with M6 release more time for updates testing
19:25:49 <lewyssmith> Thanks for discussing that.
19:25:53 <wilcal> should be a short meeting today
19:25:55 <tmb> and with that in mind... there will land kernel updates for mga5 and mga6 tonight /tomorrow... and when they are validated and pushed, there will be a new virtualbox...
19:26:05 <brian___> :Lewysmith - will do
19:26:07 <lewyssmith> grrrr
19:26:16 <lewyssmith> to tmb!
19:26:23 * tmb hides
19:26:27 <wilcal> Oh Oh sounds like my weekend just got filled
19:26:29 <brian___> LOL - woohoo - Kernel/vbox
19:26:44 <lewyssmith> Bill loves these.
19:26:54 <brian___> he is the vbox king
19:27:02 <wilcal> It really fills a couple days to go through it all
19:27:05 <lewyssmith> And Len.
19:27:19 * tjandrews will only have his laptop this week, and only M6.
19:27:44 <lewyssmith> Sounds good.
19:27:47 <brian___> tj - testing on the boat while fishing.  ;-)
19:28:03 <wilcal> If there's lots of sports on TV that helps
19:28:04 <lewyssmith> Give the man some peace!
19:28:16 <lewyssmith> (TJ)
19:28:17 <tony__> Maybe testing while at a conference all weekend - if boring enough..
19:28:56 <wilcal> A long time ago far far away I did several conferences that involved setting data storage standards
19:29:03 <wilcal> weeks of boring stuff
19:29:14 <lewyssmith> But you got paid?
19:29:32 <wilcal> I was on a payrole yest
19:29:54 <wilcal> It was the committee that set the SCSI standard
19:30:02 <wilcal> 70's
19:30:03 <lewyssmith> Ah!
19:30:28 <wilcal> Came out of Shugart Associates hardware
19:30:38 <lewyssmith> Is SCSI still used (updated)
19:30:39 <tjandrews> Having a "real" job, working for somebody else - hard to imagine...
19:30:57 <wilcal> It's still around only well hidden :-))
19:31:30 <lewyssmith> Let us move on?
19:31:39 <hviaene> It got me to travel and stay around the world
19:31:45 <wilcal> #topic Anything Else?
19:32:07 <wilcal> Do look around for reviews off M6
19:32:23 <wilcal> Hang out in the Mageia discussion forum
19:32:28 <tarazed> Not really but this 32bit thing has come out of left field.  Need time to think.
19:32:34 <lewyssmith> Note: I shall be away about 12d, not here next week. Will e-mail our leaders - it could matter.
19:32:58 <wilcal> Note there was no Council meeting this week
19:33:47 <wilcal> Anything else
19:33:48 <lewyssmith> They need a breather.
19:33:52 <brian___> true
19:34:00 <hviaene> Not from me
19:34:03 <lewyssmith> Hello Ben; just finishing!
19:34:06 <tjandrews> Hi, Ben.
19:34:14 <wilcal> Hello Ben any else from you
19:34:15 <tarazed> Hi ben
19:34:17 <Benmc> hi al. I see the end is near
19:34:24 <wilcal> M6
19:34:33 <Benmc> nothing stand out
19:34:46 <lewyssmith> Bugs are being fixed.
19:35:00 <wilcal> That's a good thing
19:35:01 <Benmc> I see that
19:35:09 <tony__> trivia - xfce never logging out by default?
19:35:18 <tjandrews> EFI the sticking point in M5, Plasma in M6, wondering what it will be in M7.
19:35:33 <lewyssmith> Please!
19:35:40 <wilcal> M6 -> M7 upgrade should be smoother
19:35:44 <hviaene> Don't challenge tth gods
19:35:55 <Benmc> must be LXDE turn for issues
19:36:08 <rindolf> hviaene: heh
19:36:11 <tjandrews> wilcal: Should I make a note of that?
19:36:38 <wilcal> Oh how are we doing on the effort to put Mageia on the Raspberry Pi hear anything?
19:36:49 <hviaene> tony: xfce eventually halts, but ut acn take 15 min.
19:37:27 <lewyssmith> wilcal: That should involve kernwes
19:37:30 <wilcal> yes tj
19:37:51 <wilcal> Anything else?
19:37:54 <tjandrews> It could come back to haunt you...
19:38:02 <brian___> I guess just test test test those security patches
19:38:18 <wilcal> Lets end this then work those updates
19:38:22 <wilcal> Count down
19:38:26 <wilcal> T-5
19:38:29 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all, see you in 2w. Thanks Bill for the usual good IRC job.
19:38:33 <hviaene> G' night all
19:38:36 <wilcal> bye all
19:38:39 <wilcal> T-4
19:38:42 <tjandrews> bye all.
19:38:44 <wilcal> T-3
19:38:48 <tarazed> Have a good time Lewis.
19:38:49 <wilcal> T-2
19:38:55 <wilcal> T-1
19:39:00 <tarazed> See you all
19:39:10 <wilcal> #endmeeting