19:04:08 <DavidWHodgins> #startmeeting
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19:04:19 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal lewyssmith
19:04:19 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins lewyssmith wilcal
19:04:22 <wilcal> Kool David's in charge :-))
19:04:27 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello.
19:04:30 <lewyssmith> Holidays!
19:04:43 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who hasn't been to a qa team irc meeting before?
19:05:00 <DavidWHodgins> Skimming the list, doesn't look like it.
19:05:09 <DavidWHodgins> * Mageia 6 - We're (probably) waiting for the last ISO's.
19:05:25 <DavidWHodgins> We need to confirm bug 19196 has been fixed
19:05:26 <[mbot`> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19196 normal, release_blocker, mageiatools, NEW , When a small number of upgrades can be installed after finishing install, the buttons are not visible, drakx-installer-stage2, urpmi  , mutter
19:05:35 <DavidWHodgins> Same with bug 20624
19:05:36 <[mbot`> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20624 major, release_blocker, mageiatools, NEW , Hidden buttons in the Installer gui - UI elements and fonts are too big for screen resolution, drakx-installer-stage2
19:05:50 <wilcal> At the Council meeting last Tues we're there except for a couple wrinkle
19:06:15 <DavidWHodgins> I forgot about those two when I was doing my testing last night, so can't confirm myself without more tests
19:06:38 <lewyssmith> We must accept wrinkles. I wonder whether those 2 bugs count as blockers.
19:06:45 <krisNL> the CI's had not the available fixws included
19:06:48 <DavidWHodgins> I didn't notice any problems, but wasn't specifically looking for those
19:06:54 <wilcal> ISO's to be generated certainly by next QA meeting maybe this weekend
19:07:01 <wilcal> Final Final ISO's
19:07:01 <krisNL> the Lives are all good
19:07:40 <wilcal> So how long did M6 take to create David?
19:07:45 <DavidWHodgins> If there are no objections, new iso images will be created tomorrow, and if ok, they will be the iso images we release
19:07:47 <lewyssmith> 2y?
19:07:59 <wilcal> Yup a couple years
19:08:00 <DavidWHodgins> Been a long time, that's for sure.
19:08:12 <lewyssmith> Too long y light years.
19:08:22 <wilcal> Hi tar
19:08:22 <lewyssmith> Welcome Len.
19:08:24 <krisNL> hello len
19:08:32 <wilcal> Plasma caused sooo many headaches
19:08:37 <DavidWHodgins> From my point of view, the switch from kde4 to plasma was the main thing that impacted us
19:08:48 <lewyssmith> + SDDM, nVidia.
19:08:53 <DavidWHodgins> Took a long time for it to stabalize
19:09:04 <wilcal> I completely agree David and that's where we'll get the most problems after release
19:09:04 <DavidWHodgins> My systems are ati here
19:09:20 <tarazed_> Hi there Lewis, everybody
19:09:33 <lewyssmith> ATI?
19:09:38 <DavidWHodgins> Anyway, the past is done, thankfully :-)
19:09:47 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Yes, rather then nvidia
19:09:50 <wilcal> On to M7
19:09:56 <wilcal> EOL of M5?
19:10:02 <DavidWHodgins> ati raedon to be specific for my graphics card
19:10:04 <lewyssmith> End of year?
19:10:05 <wilcal> 31Dec17 ?
19:10:17 <wilcal> What you say David?
19:10:44 <DavidWHodgins> eol for mageia 5 will be decided by the council. I'll be asking for it to be maintained at least until our sysadmins upgrade all of our servers to Mageia 6.
19:10:53 <t_m_b> nope, normal 3 months after mga6 is out
19:10:57 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Sorry, I thought ati was some IRC-speak, not ATI video!
19:11:10 <wilcal> So by year end for sure
19:11:15 <wilcal> sounds like a plan
19:11:40 <krisNL> The xfce videos M6 are ready, 5 in total, rendered on YT and atm set to private.
19:11:40 <krisNL> I had to make them with a cauldron install in vbox because the release date is still uncertain, it's summertime and I'm in and out, and not always online.
19:12:00 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone have anything they feel should hold up the production of the final iso images?
19:12:11 <lewyssmith> Not me.
19:12:24 <wilcal> IMO there is nothing in the ISO that prevent a clean install
19:12:55 <wilcal> The M6 logo has to be put in the install process
19:12:59 <tarazed_> Agree with that
19:13:07 <DavidWHodgins> #info qa team is ready for final Mageia 6 iso images to be created
19:13:19 <wilcal> It's official David
19:13:26 <DavidWHodgins> Tomorrows iso images should have all references to cauldron removed
19:13:44 <lewyssmith> I would not object to the current ISOs going out.
19:13:46 <DavidWHodgins> Finally. :-)
19:13:52 <wilcal> Whew
19:14:00 <tarazed_> +1
19:14:02 <wilcal> Lots of stress with this one
19:14:15 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: They have to have the references to cauldron changed to 6
19:14:28 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Every new version adds more...
19:14:36 <DavidWHodgins> Applies to the boot menu, and several files in /etc
19:15:01 <wilcal> I have a pretty open weekend so will have time to look at the isos
19:15:26 <DavidWHodgins> As we will only be looking to confirm that the references to cauldron have been changed, and no regressions from the current iso images, testing shouldn't take very long
19:15:51 <tarazed_> How long until mga7 updates testing?
19:16:10 <wilcal> Hi tj
19:16:25 <DavidWHodgins> Assuming we get the iso images tomorrow, everyone ok with trying to confirm ok by Tuesday, for next weeks council meeting?
19:16:25 <tarazed_> Good morning tj
19:16:26 <lewyssmith> Welcome TJ. Not drowned.
19:16:34 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa tarazed_
19:16:36 <wilcal> We've got to take a breather on generating M7
19:16:45 <tjandrews> Hi. Got a few minutes, thought I'd drop by.
19:16:50 <krisNL> question: on the mirrors, cauldron update testing is overpopulated with funny kernels
19:17:10 <wilcal> Any objections to present ISO's. Final Finals generated in the next days
19:17:24 <DavidWHodgins> Part of getting the release ready will be cleaning all of the testing repos
19:17:34 <krisNL> thx david
19:17:44 <hviaene> No objections
19:18:03 <tarazed_> None here
19:18:20 <tjandrews> None here, as long as the housekeeping gets done.
19:18:26 <krisNL> none
19:18:59 <DavidWHodgins> #info If no problems found, and all of the other teams are ready, expecting Mageia 6 release to be ok'd in Tuesday's council meeting
19:19:19 <wilcal> So based on a quick thumbs up on the soon to be released final final M6 isos it'll be outta here
19:19:28 <DavidWHodgins> Yep
19:19:36 <lewyssmith> Just in time before the summer recess.
19:19:36 <tjandrews> Whew!
19:19:44 <wilcal> Council Meeting on the 11th
19:19:56 <DavidWHodgins> Assuming atelier, etc are ready
19:20:11 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Yes
19:20:13 <lewyssmith> They have had plenty of warning!
19:20:47 <DavidWHodgins> There have been problems with the wiki showing images, etc., that may hold things up
19:21:15 <DavidWHodgins> We'll see if they are ready on Tuesday
19:21:17 <lewyssmith> They have been absent since the break-in.
19:21:36 <wilcal> M6 repo is extremely quiet
19:21:48 <DavidWHodgins> It was the upgrade that caused the problems, not the break in. That only affected sympa, as I understand it.
19:22:01 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Freeze?
19:22:04 <krisNL> new xorg is on its way
19:22:39 <wilcal> Little things sneek through but not like weeks ago when over 200 rpms were changed after releasing iso's
19:22:56 <DavidWHodgins> It has to be ready by time the repos are synced for building the final iso images tomorrow, or it will have to wait to be processed as an update
19:23:29 <lewyssmith> Update is safer, I think.
19:23:44 <wilcal> Only task-gnome changed today
19:23:47 <DavidWHodgins> Depends on how big a change it is.
19:24:05 <lewyssmith> krisNL: Do you know?
19:24:25 <DavidWHodgins> If it does cause problems, hopefully our regression testing of the new iso images will find it
19:24:33 <krisNL> do i know what
19:24:43 <lewyssmith> XOrg chnages.
19:24:51 <t_m_b> xorg is built and is mirroring out since ~2 hours ago
19:25:08 <krisNL> xorg: security update, won't break anything, tmb is good
19:25:11 <lewyssmith> Lurking! Well done.
19:25:18 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:25:39 <t_m_b> the fixes are for a local root exploit, something we dont want to release on isos
19:26:01 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch. Just in time then
19:26:17 <lewyssmith> t_m_b: Your word matters.
19:26:30 <DavidWHodgins> So everyone plan on having fun testing this weekend :-)
19:27:02 <DavidWHodgins> Any other questions or comments on Mageia 6 before we move on?
19:27:08 <wilcal> Not from me
19:27:56 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing updates - Any difficulties, problems, issues?
19:28:19 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks everyone for keeping the list down, especially Herman
19:28:25 <lewyssmith> 3 bugs, 2 backports.
19:28:54 <DavidWHodgins> The two backports we need to get done and released before M6 goes out
19:29:30 <lewyssmith> I think Bill classifies them 'career builders'.
19:29:34 <DavidWHodgins> Need people with nvidia graphics cards, that use the nividia-current driver to test bug 21188
19:29:35 <[mbot`> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21188 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: nvidia-current 375.66, nvidia-current, ldetect-lst
19:29:51 <tarazed_> Sure  - have several
19:30:01 <hviaene> 304 or 340
19:30:12 <DavidWHodgins> For backports we go with minimal testing. Install the prior version, then the update. Does it run?
19:30:22 <tarazed_> Not getting anywhere with perltidy - simple on the surface
19:30:39 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: The last, easier said than done.
19:31:21 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: I know. :-(
19:31:41 <DavidWHodgins> I'll work on those two after this meeting
19:31:54 <lewyssmith> That would be good.
19:31:54 <DavidWHodgins> See if I can get anywhere with them.
19:31:56 <tarazed_> hviaene: 340 mainly, but can resurrect the 304
19:32:34 <tjandrews> The bug David cited is for nvidia-current, not the other drivers.
19:32:53 <lewyssmith> What is the difference?
19:33:59 <DavidWHodgins> Different drivers for different nvidia cards
19:34:09 <tjandrews> There are three "classes" of nvidia cards with proprietary drivers. Nvidia-current is for the newest cards, nvidia340 is for older ones, and nvidia304 is for the oldest.
19:34:39 <wilcal> When you say old approximately how many years old
19:34:46 <tjandrews> Then there are the antique nvidia cards, that nvidia no longer supports with drivers.
19:34:49 <t_m_b> nvidia-current is for GeForce 420 and later cards, and this update is to add support for more new GTX10xx cards
19:35:23 <t_m_b> I dont expect any real issues from the update, since the same driver has been running for ~2 months in cauldron
19:35:30 <DavidWHodgins> If no one has the cards needed for testing the driver, all we can test is that the update installs cleanly over the prior version
19:35:35 <tarazed_> Anybody have a GTX10xx?
19:35:45 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: -7, thanks for the explanation.
19:35:50 <tjandrews> wilcal: not sure on the design. You can still buy new cards on eBay that use nvidia304.
19:36:33 <wilcal> Looks like 2011ish
19:36:39 <tjandrews> I think Bill's card(s) use nvidia-current, don't they Bill?
19:37:05 <t_m_b> for cards to test with: see http://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/118290/en-us (click on 'Supported Products')
19:37:06 <[mbot`> [ NVIDIA DRIVERS Linux x64 (AMD64/EM64T) Display Driver ]
19:37:10 <tjandrews> The only one I now have uses 340.
19:37:10 <DavidWHodgins> If no one here has them I'll ask on the qa discuss and the dev mailing lists, for volunteers. If noone available to test, will validate them if they install cleanly, on Saturday
19:37:55 <t_m_b> I have GTX1070 and I know it works on it on x86_64
19:38:52 <wilcal> I'm using a GeForce GT 440
19:39:13 <tarazed_> Mine go up to GTX980
19:39:20 <DavidWHodgins> t_m_b: Ok added for x86_64. Thanks
19:39:42 <wilcal> Can I just pull this GT 440 out of these and plug in a newer Nvidia board?
19:40:33 <DavidWHodgins> You have one available?
19:40:54 <wilcal> No
19:41:10 <t_m_b> well GT 440 is using nvidia-current
19:41:30 <wilcal> it is
19:41:57 <t_m_b> so you can test with that too then on mga5 :)
19:42:06 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Does "rpm -qa|grep nvidia" show the current is installed?
19:42:24 <tjandrews> Then a test to make sure the additions haven't caused a regression on older boards seems in order.
19:42:28 <DavidWHodgins> Just need it tested on a 32 bit install
19:43:33 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: It wouldn't be used on older boards. They use the nvidia304 or nvidia340 packages
19:44:00 <tjandrews> I meant "older" boards that use nvidia-current.
19:44:24 <DavidWHodgins> We should ask Luigi12 to take the weekend off, so we can release m6 with no updates waiting for tests. :-)
19:44:35 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: If we can find testers, yes.
19:45:13 <lewyssmith> I am out tomorrow Fri p.m.
19:45:50 <tjandrews> Time for me to go again. Duty calls.
19:45:58 <lewyssmith> Good luck.
19:46:02 <wilcal> later tj
19:46:10 <DavidWHodgins> For c-ares, no poc. Just test that any of the packages shown by "urpmq --whatrequires libcares2" work
19:46:40 <DavidWHodgins> That's it for updates, so ...
19:46:44 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else?
19:46:58 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else from me
19:47:01 <wilcal> Not from me. Awaiting the final final iso's
19:47:19 <DavidWHodgins> Looking forward to having Mageia 6 released. :-)
19:47:44 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like countdown time then
19:47:47 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5
19:47:51 <DavidWHodgins> 4
19:47:54 <DavidWHodgins> 3
19:47:56 <wilcal> I'll post the notes on the qa mailing list
19:47:57 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone.
19:47:59 <DavidWHodgins> 2
19:48:02 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks wilcal
19:48:07 <tarazed_> Goodnight all
19:48:14 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone. Keep up the great work!
19:48:20 <DavidWHodgins> 1
19:48:25 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting