19:03:22 <wilcal> #startmeeting 19:03:22 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Jun 29 19:03:22 2017 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:03:22 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:03:34 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 19:03:52 <wilcal> Hello tmb 19:03:54 <lewyssmith> Welcome tmb. 19:03:56 <wilcal> anyone new 19:03:57 <tmb> hi 19:04:33 <lewyssmith> If this is your 1st QA IRC meeting, please *do* anounce yourself. 19:04:45 <lewyssmith> tarazed_: Good evening, Len. 19:05:01 <tarazed_> Hi Lewis 19:05:25 <wilcal> back 19:05:30 <tarazed_> Hi Bill 19:05:39 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Change topic? 19:06:11 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith 19:06:11 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal 19:06:18 <wilcal> Ya 19:06:24 <lewyssmith> #topic Mageia 6 19:06:36 <wilcal> #topic M6 Mageia 19:07:04 <wilcal> We have this big issue of no LibreOffice install from Live media other then English 19:07:30 <wilcal> I tried a German Vbox install here before this meeting and no LibreOffice install 19:07:36 <wilcal> hi tj 19:07:43 <wilcal> So it's a for real bug 19:07:45 <lewyssmith> There is no doubt that the majority opinion - by miles - is to fix it. 19:07:56 <tjandrews> Hi. Can't stay long, but I'm here. 19:07:57 <wilcal> Do we ave a consensis that this is a release blocker 19:08:05 <tarazed_> Aye 19:08:05 <lewyssmith> It applies to all 3 Lives 5I have just tried them); but not the Classic. 19:08:20 <wilcal> Blocker or not? 19:08:29 <lewyssmith> Yes; but so simple... 19:08:30 <wilcal> anyone here willing to let it pass 19:08:49 <lewyssmith> Meaning let it out without LO? 19:09:00 <tjandrews> If you are talking about the Libreoffice install problem, it's a blocker. 19:09:08 <wilcal> Hard block 19:09:12 <lewyssmith> We are; it is. 19:09:13 <krisNL> it depends if we find someone who cares, and fix it 19:09:23 <tarazed_> My feeling is that it would be fixable with a little effort 19:09:25 <wilcal> I will support that position and carry that to the Council 19:09:35 <krisNL> waiting another couple weeks? 19:09:40 <tjandrews> Martin cares. 19:09:53 <lewyssmith> Thanks. Urgently. Martin is awaiting nothing more, & can build the Live ISOs easily now. 19:10:08 <wilcal> Note to council after this meeting that LibreOffice no install is a hard blocker 19:10:13 <krisNL> but someone needs to rebuild LO, not Martin 19:10:25 <tarazed_> Looks like we are all agreed 19:10:46 <wilcal> done deal 19:10:47 <hviaene> Does it impact the relaeasre of Classic?? 19:11:02 <lewyssmith> We still need new ISOs for the kernel etc updates; that is all otherwise I think. 19:11:12 <wilcal> I think we need another set of CI's 19:11:13 <lewyssmith> hviaene: Yes. 19:11:26 <hviaene> ***** 19:11:37 <wilcal> Next hard issue 19:11:37 <hviaene> Fourletterword 19:11:55 <tmb> nope, only live isos as they use the "uninstall unused locales", but CI does not install unselected locales to begin with... 19:12:01 <wilcal> Dave's Not Here but he has brought up a list of pending security updates to M6 19:12:11 <lewyssmith> hviaene: Herman, we cannot issue M6 with a known major kernel bug. 19:12:18 <wilcal> should some/all of those be blockers 19:12:32 <lewyssmith> Where are they? 19:13:57 <lewyssmith> tmb: Do you agree about updating the kernels before releasing M6? 19:14:26 <wilcal> Sorry I didn't bring over those. I wish David was here 19:14:44 <tmb> lewyssmith, updating to what ? 19:14:45 <wilcal> But should release be blocked by pending security updates 19:14:56 <lewyssmith> From what we know & are sensitive about, nothing else is blocking. 19:15:31 <wilcal> David takes a very strong position on these and I will represent him here 19:15:34 <lewyssmith> wilcal: I think not, normally; because anyone who installs is well advised to update immediately. 19:15:58 <wilcal> We went through the list last weekend and most of those are above my pay grade 19:16:05 <krisNL> lewyssmith: martin built already the lives with the new kernels 19:16:29 <wilcal> Dave will read this log and I ask him to post to the qa mailing list the location of these security bugs 19:16:30 <lewyssmith> That is fine; but the Classic? 19:16:38 <wilcal> and which ones are critical 19:16:43 <lewyssmith> to Chris. 19:17:17 <krisNL> CI not so, we have no new CI for a while 19:17:29 <lewyssmith> I would accept issuing M6 without the libc & kernel updates. 19:17:53 <wilcal> So we also have a critical kernel security bug and that should be fixed in new M6 isos 19:18:01 <tmb> well, technically all isos will need one final rebuild after we switch mageia-release... but I think ennael was/is/wanted to test one "pre-final" CI set before flipping the switch 19:18:15 <wilcal> agreed with that 19:18:31 <lewyssmith> Let us hope she moves, then. 19:18:33 <wilcal> Martin is working on new Live media 19:18:49 <lewyssmith> He has it down to a fine art, apparently. 19:18:49 <hviaene> So, that will bring M6 to August?? 19:19:10 <lewyssmith> I would hope July,. 19:19:30 <wilcal> We've got to get this out asap as Europe goes on Holiday soon 19:19:55 <krisNL> august? then we would replace our topi who's new with who's still here 19:20:35 <wilcal> Hopefully by July 12 or sooner 19:20:47 <hviaene> OK 19:20:58 <lewyssmith> Depends how soon we get the Classic again. 19:21:20 <lewyssmith> And on the LO thing being sorted. 19:21:46 <tjandrews> "Critical" updates are pending all the time. If we wait for a lull, it could be 2018 before we release. 19:22:00 <wilcal> for sure 19:22:12 <wilcal> security things come by daily 19:22:25 <wilcal> so we wait for isos, again 19:22:44 <wilcal> lets move on 19:22:45 <tmb> I'm going to submit a new LO with changed requires 19:22:54 <wilcal> thks tmb 19:22:57 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports 19:23:04 <krisNL> tmb :) :) 19:23:07 <wilcal> list is shorter 19:23:25 <wilcal> I'm remiss on that list but will get back to it asap 19:23:53 <lewyssmith> The list is brilliant. Some people have been working their backsides off. All praise to same. 19:24:14 <tmb> BIG THANKS for the speedy tests for Stack Clash kernel/glibc updates 19:24:18 <wilcal> I agree 19:24:36 <wilcal> tomcat & drupal can probably be pushed 19:24:39 <tjandrews> Leaving early again, guys. Time to return to making a living. 19:24:40 <lewyssmith> There are 4 updates at this moment, and 3/7 OKs. 19:24:46 <wilcal> bye tj 19:24:51 <tarazed_> OK bye tj 19:24:53 <krisNL> bye tj 19:24:59 <lewyssmith> Echoed. 19:25:13 <wilcal> Nextcloud is a career builder 19:25:45 <lewyssmith> We must not be complacent about updates; David toils to feed us more! 19:25:56 <wilcal> I agree 19:26:00 <tarazed_> libtiff needs the i586 test but the first one took 3 days. 19:26:14 <lewyssmith> Don't say that! 19:26:17 <wilcal> libtiff I think I've done before lemme look 19:27:06 <tarazed_> Long list of CVEs and PoCs. 19:27:25 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Bill, If you want to validate tomcat & drupal, up to you, and please do. 19:27:27 <wilcal> ya I've done 32-bit libtiff so I'll look at that one 19:27:33 <wilcal> will do 19:27:43 <tarazed_> Thanks wilcal 19:27:57 <hviaene> Stealing my job!!! 19:27:58 <wilcal> so that'll take the list way down 19:28:11 <lewyssmith> The backports are not urgent (at least not yet). 19:28:25 <wilcal> after M6 gets released 19:28:39 <wilcal> Lets make this a short one 19:28:41 <wilcal> #topic Anything Else? 19:28:47 <tarazed_> hviaene: you need to take a rest - been a hero 19:28:59 <wilcal> We've got some heros in here 19:29:11 <wilcal> we're all heros when M6 goes out the door 19:29:29 <lewyssmith> sos is strange: I blocked it because it witters on about Red Hat rather than Mageia, which is not right, but does not affect its functionality. It does need the feedback. 19:29:29 <wilcal> IMO it looks really really good 19:29:36 <hviaene> Rest rusts 19:30:04 <wilcal> anything else 19:30:20 <lewyssmith> Not on updates, but later - yes. 19:31:18 <wilcal> so we're close on M6 and a few updates to test 19:31:23 <lewyssmith> Sorry, let me... 19:32:11 <wilcal> anything lewys? 19:32:32 <lewyssmith> Not for the 1st time, Updates Testing is crowded with things not yet bugged. This makes it really heavy to peruse when doing updates. Shall I put out a post asking whether we can stop this? 19:32:38 <tarazed_> Stepped on a mine with golang - happily breaking copyright 19:33:00 <wilcal> please 19:33:23 <lewyssmith> It is mosttly KDE things - of course! 19:33:46 <lewyssmith> Will do the post, anyway. 19:33:50 <wilcal> thks 19:33:54 <wilcal> anything else 19:33:57 <lewyssmith> Otherwise - done here. 19:34:02 <wilcal> i am too 19:34:08 <tarazed_> done 19:34:11 <wilcal> short but very good meeting 19:34:14 <hviaene> same 19:34:16 <lewyssmith> Thanks to the faithful who turned up; and Bill for chairing. 19:34:24 <wilcal> T-5 19:34:32 <wilcal> T-4 19:34:32 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone. 19:34:33 <hviaene> G'night 19:34:35 <wilcal> Thanks all 19:34:38 <wilcal> T-3 19:34:44 <tarazed_> Buono sera tutti 19:34:46 <wilcal> T-2 19:34:49 <wilcal> T-1 19:34:53 <wilcal> #endmeeting