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19:03:34 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:03:52 <wilcal> Hello tmb
19:03:54 <lewyssmith> Welcome tmb.
19:03:56 <wilcal> anyone new
19:03:57 <tmb> hi
19:04:33 <lewyssmith> If this is your 1st QA IRC meeting, please *do* anounce yourself.
19:04:45 <lewyssmith> tarazed_: Good evening, Len.
19:05:01 <tarazed_> Hi Lewis
19:05:25 <wilcal> back
19:05:30 <tarazed_> Hi Bill
19:05:39 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Change topic?
19:06:11 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
19:06:11 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
19:06:18 <wilcal> Ya
19:06:24 <lewyssmith> #topic Mageia 6
19:06:36 <wilcal> #topic M6 Mageia
19:07:04 <wilcal> We have this big issue of no LibreOffice install from Live media other then English
19:07:30 <wilcal> I tried a German Vbox install here before this meeting and no LibreOffice install
19:07:36 <wilcal> hi tj
19:07:43 <wilcal> So it's a for real bug
19:07:45 <lewyssmith> There is no doubt that the majority opinion - by miles - is to fix it.
19:07:56 <tjandrews> Hi. Can't stay long, but I'm here.
19:07:57 <wilcal> Do we ave a consensis that this is a release blocker
19:08:05 <tarazed_> Aye
19:08:05 <lewyssmith> It applies to all 3 Lives 5I have just tried them); but not the Classic.
19:08:20 <wilcal> Blocker or not?
19:08:29 <lewyssmith> Yes; but so simple...
19:08:30 <wilcal> anyone here willing to let it pass
19:08:49 <lewyssmith> Meaning let it out without LO?
19:09:00 <tjandrews> If you are talking about the Libreoffice install problem, it's a blocker.
19:09:08 <wilcal> Hard block
19:09:12 <lewyssmith> We are; it is.
19:09:13 <krisNL> it depends if we find someone who cares, and fix it
19:09:23 <tarazed_> My feeling is that it would be fixable with a little effort
19:09:25 <wilcal> I will support that position and carry that to the Council
19:09:35 <krisNL> waiting another couple weeks?
19:09:40 <tjandrews> Martin cares.
19:09:53 <lewyssmith> Thanks. Urgently. Martin is awaiting nothing more, & can build the Live ISOs easily now.
19:10:08 <wilcal> Note to council after this meeting that LibreOffice no install is a hard blocker
19:10:13 <krisNL> but someone needs to rebuild LO, not Martin
19:10:25 <tarazed_> Looks like we are all agreed
19:10:46 <wilcal> done deal
19:10:47 <hviaene> Does it impact the relaeasre of Classic??
19:11:02 <lewyssmith> We still need new ISOs for the kernel etc updates; that is all otherwise I think.
19:11:12 <wilcal> I think we need another set of CI's
19:11:13 <lewyssmith> hviaene: Yes.
19:11:26 <hviaene> *****
19:11:37 <wilcal> Next hard issue
19:11:37 <hviaene> Fourletterword
19:11:55 <tmb> nope, only live isos as they use the "uninstall unused locales", but CI does not install unselected locales to begin with...
19:12:01 <wilcal> Dave's Not Here but he has brought up a list of pending security updates to M6
19:12:11 <lewyssmith> hviaene: Herman, we cannot issue M6 with a known major kernel bug.
19:12:18 <wilcal> should some/all of those be blockers
19:12:32 <lewyssmith> Where are they?
19:13:57 <lewyssmith> tmb: Do you agree about updating the kernels before releasing M6?
19:14:26 <wilcal> Sorry I didn't bring over those. I wish David was here
19:14:44 <tmb> lewyssmith, updating to what ?
19:14:45 <wilcal> But should release be blocked by pending security updates
19:14:56 <lewyssmith> From what we know & are sensitive about, nothing else is blocking.
19:15:31 <wilcal> David takes a very strong position on these and I will represent him here
19:15:34 <lewyssmith> wilcal: I think not, normally; because anyone who installs is well advised to update immediately.
19:15:58 <wilcal> We went through the list last weekend and most of those are above my pay grade
19:16:05 <krisNL> lewyssmith: martin built already the lives with the new kernels
19:16:29 <wilcal> Dave will read this log and I ask him to post to the qa mailing list the location of these security bugs
19:16:30 <lewyssmith> That is fine; but the Classic?
19:16:38 <wilcal> and which ones are critical
19:16:43 <lewyssmith> to Chris.
19:17:17 <krisNL> CI not so, we have no new CI for a while
19:17:29 <lewyssmith> I would accept issuing M6 without the libc & kernel updates.
19:17:53 <wilcal> So we also have a critical kernel security bug and that should be fixed in new M6 isos
19:18:01 <tmb> well, technically all isos will need one final rebuild after we switch mageia-release... but I think ennael was/is/wanted to test one "pre-final" CI set before flipping the switch
19:18:15 <wilcal> agreed with that
19:18:31 <lewyssmith> Let us hope she moves, then.
19:18:33 <wilcal> Martin is working on new Live media
19:18:49 <lewyssmith> He has it down to a fine art, apparently.
19:18:49 <hviaene> So, that will bring M6 to August??
19:19:10 <lewyssmith> I would hope July,.
19:19:30 <wilcal> We've got to get this out asap as Europe goes on Holiday soon
19:19:55 <krisNL> august? then we would replace our topi who's new with who's still here
19:20:35 <wilcal> Hopefully by July 12 or sooner
19:20:47 <hviaene> OK
19:20:58 <lewyssmith> Depends how soon we get the Classic again.
19:21:20 <lewyssmith> And on the LO thing being sorted.
19:21:46 <tjandrews> "Critical" updates are pending all the time. If we wait for a lull, it could be 2018 before we release.
19:22:00 <wilcal> for sure
19:22:12 <wilcal> security things come by daily
19:22:25 <wilcal> so we wait for isos, again
19:22:44 <wilcal> lets move on
19:22:45 <tmb> I'm going to submit a new LO with changed requires
19:22:54 <wilcal> thks tmb
19:22:57 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
19:23:04 <krisNL> tmb :) :)
19:23:07 <wilcal> list is shorter
19:23:25 <wilcal> I'm remiss on that list but will get back to it asap
19:23:53 <lewyssmith> The list is brilliant. Some people have been working their backsides off. All praise to same.
19:24:14 <tmb> BIG THANKS for the speedy tests for Stack Clash kernel/glibc updates
19:24:18 <wilcal> I agree
19:24:36 <wilcal> tomcat & drupal can probably be pushed
19:24:39 <tjandrews> Leaving early again, guys. Time to return to making a living.
19:24:40 <lewyssmith> There are 4 updates at this moment, and 3/7 OKs.
19:24:46 <wilcal> bye  tj
19:24:51 <tarazed_> OK bye tj
19:24:53 <krisNL> bye tj
19:24:59 <lewyssmith> Echoed.
19:25:13 <wilcal> Nextcloud is a career builder
19:25:45 <lewyssmith> We must not be complacent about updates; David toils to feed us more!
19:25:56 <wilcal> I agree
19:26:00 <tarazed_> libtiff needs the i586 test but the first one took 3 days.
19:26:14 <lewyssmith> Don't say that!
19:26:17 <wilcal> libtiff I think I've done before lemme look
19:27:06 <tarazed_> Long list of CVEs and PoCs.
19:27:25 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Bill, If you want to validate tomcat & drupal, up to you, and please do.
19:27:27 <wilcal> ya I've done 32-bit libtiff so I'll look at that one
19:27:33 <wilcal> will do
19:27:43 <tarazed_> Thanks wilcal
19:27:57 <hviaene> Stealing my job!!!
19:27:58 <wilcal> so that'll take the list way down
19:28:11 <lewyssmith> The backports are not urgent (at least not yet).
19:28:25 <wilcal> after M6 gets released
19:28:39 <wilcal> Lets make this a short one
19:28:41 <wilcal> #topic Anything Else?
19:28:47 <tarazed_> hviaene: you need to take a rest - been a hero
19:28:59 <wilcal> We've got some heros in here
19:29:11 <wilcal> we're all heros when M6 goes out the door
19:29:29 <lewyssmith> sos is strange: I blocked it because it witters on about Red Hat rather than Mageia, which is not right, but does not affect its functionality. It does need the feedback.
19:29:29 <wilcal> IMO it looks really really good
19:29:36 <hviaene> Rest rusts
19:30:04 <wilcal> anything else
19:30:20 <lewyssmith> Not on updates, but later - yes.
19:31:18 <wilcal> so we're close on M6 and a few updates to test
19:31:23 <lewyssmith> Sorry, let me...
19:32:11 <wilcal> anything lewys?
19:32:32 <lewyssmith> Not for the 1st time, Updates Testing is crowded with things not yet bugged. This makes it really heavy to peruse when doing updates. Shall I put out a post asking whether we can stop this?
19:32:38 <tarazed_> Stepped on a mine with golang - happily breaking copyright
19:33:00 <wilcal> please
19:33:23 <lewyssmith> It is mosttly KDE things - of course!
19:33:46 <lewyssmith> Will do the post, anyway.
19:33:50 <wilcal> thks
19:33:54 <wilcal> anything else
19:33:57 <lewyssmith> Otherwise - done here.
19:34:02 <wilcal> i am too
19:34:08 <tarazed_> done
19:34:11 <wilcal> short but very good meeting
19:34:14 <hviaene> same
19:34:16 <lewyssmith> Thanks to the faithful who turned up; and Bill for chairing.
19:34:24 <wilcal> T-5
19:34:32 <wilcal> T-4
19:34:32 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone.
19:34:33 <hviaene> G'night
19:34:35 <wilcal> Thanks all
19:34:38 <wilcal> T-3
19:34:44 <tarazed_> Buono sera tutti
19:34:46 <wilcal> T-2
19:34:49 <wilcal> T-1
19:34:53 <wilcal> #endmeeting