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19:03:25 <krisNL> ca-on-adam: good to have you back
19:03:27 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
19:03:27 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
19:03:31 <tarazed_> Hi TJ.  Nice and eARLY TODAY.
19:03:38 <brian__> :ca-on-adam - good to have you back then
19:03:41 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:03:51 <wilcal> Anyone new here today?
19:04:01 <tarazed_> How do I get rid of this underscore?
19:04:29 <brian__> you can try /nick name
19:04:45 <brian__> they've personally grown on my name ;-)
19:05:13 <krisNL> you keep your underscores brian__  !!!
19:05:18 <tarazed_> Nobody new?
19:05:28 <brian__> figure I'll have 26 of them by M7
19:05:35 <krisNL> haha
19:05:38 <tarazed_> LOL
19:06:15 <ca-on-adam> I wonder what the nick length limit is for freenode??
19:06:25 <tarazed_> Good evening Bequimao
19:06:47 <Bequimao> Hi tarazed_, hi all!
19:06:59 <tjandrews> Hi.
19:07:01 <tarazed_> ca-on-adam: hopefully less than the page width
19:07:10 <wilcal_> well I'll have to use wilcal_ for a minute
19:07:28 <wilcal_> We should be in who's new
19:07:32 <wilcal_> anyone new here
19:07:37 <ca-on-adam> Oh no!  They're contagious!
19:07:40 <wilcal_> My computer hickuped
19:08:54 <wilcal_> Does not look like anyone new
19:09:23 <krisNL> hello Latte
19:09:36 <wilcal> Ok I'm back to myself
19:10:36 <wilcal> #topic M6 Mageia 6 - status
19:10:47 <wilcal> We are down to just 3 bugs
19:10:55 <tjandrews> This whole conversation just underscores the progress with M6.
19:11:18 <tjandrews> (ducking)
19:11:29 <brian__> good.  I'm running off my future prod build right now
19:11:32 <wilcal> Blockers are here: http://madb.mageia.org/tools/blockers
19:11:33 <krisNL> tjandrews: :) I can't wait that we have a topic M7
19:11:37 <[mbot`> [ Mageia App Db - Current Blockers ]
19:11:37 <brian__> or it could be prod build
19:11:56 <wilcal> David and I at the Council meeting cut the list down to what it is now
19:12:24 <wilcal> Plan is to put these to rest in the next days then cut the last isos
19:12:44 <wilcal> Then a few days for review then out the door
19:12:54 <brian__> good
19:12:55 <wilcal> IMO should be by end of month
19:13:45 <tjandrews> That would be good. It'll be July in a few days, and holidays will start getting in the way. They would slow things down again.
19:14:00 <krisNL> when I  joined last year in august I thought we are almost at the final release M6
19:14:04 <wilcal> Is there anyone here with an issue they are aware of that would prevent M6 from installing properly in a wide varity of platforms?
19:14:23 <tjandrews> Holidays=vacations, for those on this side of the pond.
19:14:35 <tarazed_> Not seen anything here
19:14:42 <krisNL> no issues
19:15:04 <brian__> working on my platform - haven't done the APU yet
19:15:39 <wilcal> Most important can it be worked/fixed after release
19:15:56 <wilcal> that was the criteria for cutting down on the open blockers
19:16:39 <wilcal> I have to give kudos to David for being very supportive at the Council meeting. He really made a difference
19:17:32 <tarazed_> You make a good team
19:17:49 <wilcal> We were really a team at that meeting
19:18:07 <wilcal> cross fingers we'll see isos in just a few days
19:18:15 <wilcal> and then it's done
19:18:26 <Bequimao> Most important is to get the thing out, further delay can only corrupt the release.
19:18:49 <wilcal_> Try this computer again
19:18:50 <tarazed_> Another hiccup?
19:19:04 <krisNL> our user base has left anyway meanwhile, i guess
19:19:05 <wilcal_> Just one but it takes a reboot of the system
19:19:06 <Bequimao> Hopefully not Mageia 6
19:19:31 <wilcal_> It's been a long slog to get M6 to where it is today
19:19:50 <brian__> yes plasma being the big adventure I'd say
19:19:59 <brian__> gnome for m5
19:20:14 <wilcal_> Plasma is still a work in progress and is going to cause stress in the user base
19:20:36 <wilcal_> There's always Gnone and our beloved Xfce
19:20:44 <tarazed_> At a superficial level it works very well.
19:20:49 <brian__> once you're up though, I think it is solid.  Plasma has a few quirks
19:20:55 <krisNL> i remember one kde version that was so bugged, 7- 10 years ago
19:20:59 <wilcal_> It does
19:21:03 <brian__> k4
19:21:23 <Bequimao> Here everything is fine with Plasma 5.
19:21:46 <wilcal_> Once your up and running with Plasma it seems to settle out
19:23:22 <wilcal_> I predict this one's going to hurt us the most:
19:23:24 <wilcal_> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21082
19:23:25 <[mbot`> Bug 21082: major, High, kde, NEW , Plasma shell occasionally fails to start on Live DVD
19:23:52 <wilcal_> something funky with: ksmserver
19:24:25 * krisNL thinks the most hurting are the baby blue colours
19:24:57 <brian__> LOL
19:25:14 <tarazed_> In the eye of the beholder...
19:25:22 <wilcal_> I just hope no one gets hurt upgrading M5 -> M6
19:25:38 <brian__> yeah - big risk there is around KDE to Plasma
19:25:41 <wilcal_> Backup everything should be encouraged
19:25:56 <wilcal_> I'll put a posting on the forums
19:26:08 <brian__> yes
19:26:33 <tjandrews> That's good advice for any new version.
19:27:07 <brian__> true
19:27:17 <wilcal_> I think we should move on from this issue
19:27:29 <krisNL> also, when people have a seperate /home, they can do a freah install while preserving home
19:27:32 <brian__> so new ISO's post post weekend you think?
19:27:45 <wilcal_> cross fingers
19:27:54 <tjandrews> Even in my failed upgrades, /home remains intact.
19:27:54 <brian__> and that defaults in Mageia - one of the things I've appreciated
19:27:57 <wilcal_> watch that blockers page
19:28:34 <wilcal_> All my testing I've never lost my /home pages
19:28:46 <wilcal_> lets move on
19:28:47 <brian__> you would using some debian based distros
19:28:47 <tarazed_> Nor me
19:28:49 <ca-on-adam> pages?
19:28:50 <wilcal_> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
19:28:54 <ca-on-adam> You mean files, right?
19:29:34 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
19:29:45 <brian__> :ca-on-adam - yeah back up your files
19:29:53 <wilcal_> I've never lost data correct
19:30:25 <wilcal_> the plasma desktop has been super ugly but data is still there
19:30:59 <tarazed_> Lewis and Herman have been holding the fort.
19:31:20 <tjandrews> Time for me to leave, guys. Farm work beckons once again.
19:31:25 <krisNL> the update testers are real heroes
19:31:32 <wilcal_> see ya late tj
19:31:36 <wilcal_> later
19:31:38 <tarazed_> May get round to 32bit tests in vbox
19:31:48 <brian__> 20713 - let's release that one
19:31:50 <tarazed_> See you tj
19:32:38 <wilcal_> ok the ones where 64-bit is tested i guess
19:32:53 <tarazed_> I may tackle docker.  Have the O'Reilly book.
19:33:19 <wilcal_> An adventure
19:33:34 <tarazed_> The reproducer is a patch to the system which implies a local build - a bit above my paygrade.
19:33:52 <wilcal_> Another career builder
19:33:57 <tarazed_> Yep
19:34:54 <wilcal_> I see a couple in there I can tinker with
19:35:21 <tarazed_> I am testing irssi right now
19:35:38 <brian__> is that the cause of the _ then?
19:35:51 <tarazed_> Gulp!
19:36:05 <wilcal_> so we are encourged to try them. Those that are already "ok"d in 64-bit can maybe just see if the update runs successfully
19:36:29 <wilcal_> what is irssi?
19:36:59 <brian__> command line IRC agent
19:37:00 <tarazed_> Yes.  The libtiff one has 100s of pocs.
19:37:05 <ca-on-adam> irssi - Command line IRC client.  Much fun!
19:37:20 <tarazed_> The only one I know.
19:37:27 <wilcal_> OMG sounds a little painful
19:37:44 <brian__> oh I played with it some, not terrible at all
19:38:11 <wilcal_> that leaves docker and bitlbee
19:38:14 <wilcal_> really
19:38:41 <brian__> yeah - I'll do the 32 bit if someone tries the 64
19:38:49 <tarazed_> As long as we are in no hurry.
19:39:10 <wilcal_> anything else on this
19:39:58 <wilcal_> so it's on to
19:40:03 <wilcal> #topic Anything Else?
19:40:26 <brian__> nothing here
19:40:37 <wilcal_> So when those M6 isos hit do as much as you can as quickly as you can
19:40:43 <brian__> ok
19:40:49 <wilcal_> Even the last ones for me were pretty good
19:40:51 <krisNL> are we having a break after M6 final, I mean qa-tema?
19:40:54 <wilcal_> I had no problem with them
19:40:57 <tarazed_> Just a small one.  IceWM.  What is the difference between IceWM and the Session variety?
19:41:07 <tarazed_> They work differently
19:41:25 <wilcal_> We are just a few weeks from the summer holidays in Europe
19:41:43 <wilcal_> historically things get pretty slow until mid Sept
19:42:00 <wilcal_> The Netherlands moves to Portugal :-))
19:42:02 <brian__> :krisNL - we still meet and cover fixes.  That's about it
19:42:12 <wilcal_> correct
19:42:26 <krisNL> and 3 months after M6 final, M5 stops having fixes?
19:42:27 <tarazed_> IceWM anybody?
19:42:30 <wilcal_> I don't think there's an absolute date set yet for EOL for M5
19:42:35 <brian__> for awhile we have to parallel current and n-1 version
19:43:01 <tarazed_> It is usually about 3 months isn't it?
19:43:05 <wilcal_> A little risk here if we EOL M5 in like Sept
19:43:13 <wilcal_> For sure by end of year
19:43:16 <krisNL> icewm is not a DE, just a window manager, session is more
19:43:29 <wilcal_> Maybe 15Octish
19:44:02 <tarazed_> krisNL: yeah.  Session works.  The other fails to refresh.
19:44:05 <brian__> that'll give me some time to move my boxes over
19:44:37 <wilcal_> anything else else
19:44:37 <tarazed_> krisNL: btw - thanks.
19:44:43 <wilcal_> I'm done
19:44:54 <wilcal_> Count down coming
19:45:16 <wilcal> T-1
19:45:19 <wilcal> bye all
19:45:23 <wilcal> T-5
19:45:26 <wilcal> sorry
19:45:31 <brian__> bye - good night/morning everyone
19:45:35 <wilcal> T-4
19:45:37 <tarazed_> Bye, thanks for chairing wilcal
19:45:41 <wilcal> T-3
19:45:43 <wilcal> no prob
19:45:47 <wilcal> T-2
19:45:52 <ca-on-adam> T-1.5
19:45:52 <wilcal> T-1
19:45:58 <wilcal> #endmeeting