19:03:16 <wilcal> #startmeeting 19:03:16 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Jun 22 19:03:16 2017 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:03:16 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:03:25 <krisNL> ca-on-adam: good to have you back 19:03:27 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith 19:03:27 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal 19:03:31 <tarazed_> Hi TJ. Nice and eARLY TODAY. 19:03:38 <brian__> :ca-on-adam - good to have you back then 19:03:41 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 19:03:51 <wilcal> Anyone new here today? 19:04:01 <tarazed_> How do I get rid of this underscore? 19:04:29 <brian__> you can try /nick name 19:04:45 <brian__> they've personally grown on my name ;-) 19:05:13 <krisNL> you keep your underscores brian__ !!! 19:05:18 <tarazed_> Nobody new? 19:05:28 <brian__> figure I'll have 26 of them by M7 19:05:35 <krisNL> haha 19:05:38 <tarazed_> LOL 19:06:15 <ca-on-adam> I wonder what the nick length limit is for freenode?? 19:06:25 <tarazed_> Good evening Bequimao 19:06:47 <Bequimao> Hi tarazed_, hi all! 19:06:59 <tjandrews> Hi. 19:07:01 <tarazed_> ca-on-adam: hopefully less than the page width 19:07:10 <wilcal_> well I'll have to use wilcal_ for a minute 19:07:28 <wilcal_> We should be in who's new 19:07:32 <wilcal_> anyone new here 19:07:37 <ca-on-adam> Oh no! They're contagious! 19:07:40 <wilcal_> My computer hickuped 19:08:54 <wilcal_> Does not look like anyone new 19:09:23 <krisNL> hello Latte 19:09:36 <wilcal> Ok I'm back to myself 19:10:36 <wilcal> #topic M6 Mageia 6 - status 19:10:47 <wilcal> We are down to just 3 bugs 19:10:55 <tjandrews> This whole conversation just underscores the progress with M6. 19:11:18 <tjandrews> (ducking) 19:11:29 <brian__> good. I'm running off my future prod build right now 19:11:32 <wilcal> Blockers are here: http://madb.mageia.org/tools/blockers 19:11:33 <krisNL> tjandrews: :) I can't wait that we have a topic M7 19:11:37 <[mbot`> [ Mageia App Db - Current Blockers ] 19:11:37 <brian__> or it could be prod build 19:11:56 <wilcal> David and I at the Council meeting cut the list down to what it is now 19:12:24 <wilcal> Plan is to put these to rest in the next days then cut the last isos 19:12:44 <wilcal> Then a few days for review then out the door 19:12:54 <brian__> good 19:12:55 <wilcal> IMO should be by end of month 19:13:45 <tjandrews> That would be good. It'll be July in a few days, and holidays will start getting in the way. They would slow things down again. 19:14:00 <krisNL> when I joined last year in august I thought we are almost at the final release M6 19:14:04 <wilcal> Is there anyone here with an issue they are aware of that would prevent M6 from installing properly in a wide varity of platforms? 19:14:23 <tjandrews> Holidays=vacations, for those on this side of the pond. 19:14:35 <tarazed_> Not seen anything here 19:14:42 <krisNL> no issues 19:15:04 <brian__> working on my platform - haven't done the APU yet 19:15:39 <wilcal> Most important can it be worked/fixed after release 19:15:56 <wilcal> that was the criteria for cutting down on the open blockers 19:16:39 <wilcal> I have to give kudos to David for being very supportive at the Council meeting. He really made a difference 19:17:32 <tarazed_> You make a good team 19:17:49 <wilcal> We were really a team at that meeting 19:18:07 <wilcal> cross fingers we'll see isos in just a few days 19:18:15 <wilcal> and then it's done 19:18:26 <Bequimao> Most important is to get the thing out, further delay can only corrupt the release. 19:18:49 <wilcal_> Try this computer again 19:18:50 <tarazed_> Another hiccup? 19:19:04 <krisNL> our user base has left anyway meanwhile, i guess 19:19:05 <wilcal_> Just one but it takes a reboot of the system 19:19:06 <Bequimao> Hopefully not Mageia 6 19:19:31 <wilcal_> It's been a long slog to get M6 to where it is today 19:19:50 <brian__> yes plasma being the big adventure I'd say 19:19:59 <brian__> gnome for m5 19:20:14 <wilcal_> Plasma is still a work in progress and is going to cause stress in the user base 19:20:36 <wilcal_> There's always Gnone and our beloved Xfce 19:20:44 <tarazed_> At a superficial level it works very well. 19:20:49 <brian__> once you're up though, I think it is solid. Plasma has a few quirks 19:20:55 <krisNL> i remember one kde version that was so bugged, 7- 10 years ago 19:20:59 <wilcal_> It does 19:21:03 <brian__> k4 19:21:23 <Bequimao> Here everything is fine with Plasma 5. 19:21:46 <wilcal_> Once your up and running with Plasma it seems to settle out 19:23:22 <wilcal_> I predict this one's going to hurt us the most: 19:23:24 <wilcal_> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21082 19:23:25 <[mbot`> Bug 21082: major, High, kde, NEW , Plasma shell occasionally fails to start on Live DVD 19:23:52 <wilcal_> something funky with: ksmserver 19:24:25 * krisNL thinks the most hurting are the baby blue colours 19:24:57 <brian__> LOL 19:25:14 <tarazed_> In the eye of the beholder... 19:25:22 <wilcal_> I just hope no one gets hurt upgrading M5 -> M6 19:25:38 <brian__> yeah - big risk there is around KDE to Plasma 19:25:41 <wilcal_> Backup everything should be encouraged 19:25:56 <wilcal_> I'll put a posting on the forums 19:26:08 <brian__> yes 19:26:33 <tjandrews> That's good advice for any new version. 19:27:07 <brian__> true 19:27:17 <wilcal_> I think we should move on from this issue 19:27:29 <krisNL> also, when people have a seperate /home, they can do a freah install while preserving home 19:27:32 <brian__> so new ISO's post post weekend you think? 19:27:45 <wilcal_> cross fingers 19:27:54 <tjandrews> Even in my failed upgrades, /home remains intact. 19:27:54 <brian__> and that defaults in Mageia - one of the things I've appreciated 19:27:57 <wilcal_> watch that blockers page 19:28:34 <wilcal_> All my testing I've never lost my /home pages 19:28:46 <wilcal_> lets move on 19:28:47 <brian__> you would using some debian based distros 19:28:47 <tarazed_> Nor me 19:28:49 <ca-on-adam> pages? 19:28:50 <wilcal_> #topic Testing Updates & Backports 19:28:54 <ca-on-adam> You mean files, right? 19:29:34 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports 19:29:45 <brian__> :ca-on-adam - yeah back up your files 19:29:53 <wilcal_> I've never lost data correct 19:30:25 <wilcal_> the plasma desktop has been super ugly but data is still there 19:30:59 <tarazed_> Lewis and Herman have been holding the fort. 19:31:20 <tjandrews> Time for me to leave, guys. Farm work beckons once again. 19:31:25 <krisNL> the update testers are real heroes 19:31:32 <wilcal_> see ya late tj 19:31:36 <wilcal_> later 19:31:38 <tarazed_> May get round to 32bit tests in vbox 19:31:48 <brian__> 20713 - let's release that one 19:31:50 <tarazed_> See you tj 19:32:38 <wilcal_> ok the ones where 64-bit is tested i guess 19:32:53 <tarazed_> I may tackle docker. Have the O'Reilly book. 19:33:19 <wilcal_> An adventure 19:33:34 <tarazed_> The reproducer is a patch to the system which implies a local build - a bit above my paygrade. 19:33:52 <wilcal_> Another career builder 19:33:57 <tarazed_> Yep 19:34:54 <wilcal_> I see a couple in there I can tinker with 19:35:21 <tarazed_> I am testing irssi right now 19:35:38 <brian__> is that the cause of the _ then? 19:35:51 <tarazed_> Gulp! 19:36:05 <wilcal_> so we are encourged to try them. Those that are already "ok"d in 64-bit can maybe just see if the update runs successfully 19:36:29 <wilcal_> what is irssi? 19:36:59 <brian__> command line IRC agent 19:37:00 <tarazed_> Yes. The libtiff one has 100s of pocs. 19:37:05 <ca-on-adam> irssi - Command line IRC client. Much fun! 19:37:20 <tarazed_> The only one I know. 19:37:27 <wilcal_> OMG sounds a little painful 19:37:44 <brian__> oh I played with it some, not terrible at all 19:38:11 <wilcal_> that leaves docker and bitlbee 19:38:14 <wilcal_> really 19:38:41 <brian__> yeah - I'll do the 32 bit if someone tries the 64 19:38:49 <tarazed_> As long as we are in no hurry. 19:39:10 <wilcal_> anything else on this 19:39:58 <wilcal_> so it's on to 19:40:03 <wilcal> #topic Anything Else? 19:40:26 <brian__> nothing here 19:40:37 <wilcal_> So when those M6 isos hit do as much as you can as quickly as you can 19:40:43 <brian__> ok 19:40:49 <wilcal_> Even the last ones for me were pretty good 19:40:51 <krisNL> are we having a break after M6 final, I mean qa-tema? 19:40:54 <wilcal_> I had no problem with them 19:40:57 <tarazed_> Just a small one. IceWM. What is the difference between IceWM and the Session variety? 19:41:07 <tarazed_> They work differently 19:41:25 <wilcal_> We are just a few weeks from the summer holidays in Europe 19:41:43 <wilcal_> historically things get pretty slow until mid Sept 19:42:00 <wilcal_> The Netherlands moves to Portugal :-)) 19:42:02 <brian__> :krisNL - we still meet and cover fixes. That's about it 19:42:12 <wilcal_> correct 19:42:26 <krisNL> and 3 months after M6 final, M5 stops having fixes? 19:42:27 <tarazed_> IceWM anybody? 19:42:30 <wilcal_> I don't think there's an absolute date set yet for EOL for M5 19:42:35 <brian__> for awhile we have to parallel current and n-1 version 19:43:01 <tarazed_> It is usually about 3 months isn't it? 19:43:05 <wilcal_> A little risk here if we EOL M5 in like Sept 19:43:13 <wilcal_> For sure by end of year 19:43:16 <krisNL> icewm is not a DE, just a window manager, session is more 19:43:29 <wilcal_> Maybe 15Octish 19:44:02 <tarazed_> krisNL: yeah. Session works. The other fails to refresh. 19:44:05 <brian__> that'll give me some time to move my boxes over 19:44:37 <wilcal_> anything else else 19:44:37 <tarazed_> krisNL: btw - thanks. 19:44:43 <wilcal_> I'm done 19:44:54 <wilcal_> Count down coming 19:45:16 <wilcal> T-1 19:45:19 <wilcal> bye all 19:45:23 <wilcal> T-5 19:45:26 <wilcal> sorry 19:45:31 <brian__> bye - good night/morning everyone 19:45:35 <wilcal> T-4 19:45:37 <tarazed_> Bye, thanks for chairing wilcal 19:45:41 <wilcal> T-3 19:45:43 <wilcal> no prob 19:45:47 <wilcal> T-2 19:45:52 <ca-on-adam> T-1.5 19:45:52 <wilcal> T-1 19:45:58 <wilcal> #endmeeting