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19:03:54 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
19:03:54 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
19:04:00 <wilcal> welcome all to another
19:04:29 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:04:37 <wilcal> Anyone new here today
19:04:56 <lewyssmith> If so, please speak up & introduce yourself.
19:05:18 <wilcal> Does not look like it
19:05:35 <wilcal> On to the excitement
19:05:37 <wilcal> #topic M6 Mageia 6
19:05:50 <wilcal> So the repo is still moving around
19:05:56 <wilcal> kernel changes today
19:06:10 <wilcal> So it's really not settled yet
19:06:10 <lewyssmith> Do we know how RC has been received?
19:06:55 <wilcal> With the Forums back up again we should see something there
19:07:55 <wilcal> I've not seen a lot of chatter
19:08:44 <wilcal> Hows our own testing going?
19:09:15 <lewyssmith> I have long stopped testing M6 until the first final ISOs.
19:10:09 <lewyssmith> My only problems were upgrades, but we know thatmirrors cause grief; which should vanish after the freeze.
19:10:13 <hviaene> Spent my  time on updates
19:10:19 <wilcal> FWIW I generally do a ground up install, Vbox or real hardware, almost every day
19:10:22 <lewyssmith> Me too.
19:10:35 <lewyssmith> (to Herman).
19:10:36 <wilcal> those are almost always netinstalls
19:10:56 <wilcal> that against a just updated repo
19:11:13 <wilcal> I try to simulate what a new user encounters
19:11:53 <wilcal> I use Plasma as that's the lead desktop but not exclusively
19:12:08 <lewyssmith> Something that mystifies me...
19:12:41 <wilcal> Which is the lead desktop for Mageia
19:13:18 <lewyssmith> The main isssued on qa-discuss is about Broadcom WiFi. That *always* cause trouble, every release.
19:13:40 <wilcal> Yes that and the qemu thingy
19:14:00 <wilcal> those two issues are front and center right now
19:14:11 <lewyssmith> Have not seen the Qemu thing.
19:15:15 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18489
19:15:16 <[mbot> Bug 18489: normal, Normal, thierry.vignaud, NEW , qemu new security issues (too many CVEs to list), qemu-2.4.1-7.mga5.src.rpm
19:15:31 <wilcal> That's eating up a lot of cycles
19:15:42 <wilcal> and I don't think it's M6 specific
19:16:21 <wilcal> I'd like to share with the group two bugs that are absolutely frustrating me:
19:16:57 <wilcal> Plasma freeze on some initial application launch
19:17:06 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21009
19:17:07 <[mbot> Bug 21009: critical, release_blocker, kde, NEW , Plasma freeze on some initial application launch
19:17:18 <wilcal> Random ksmserver errors reported
19:17:21 <Bequimao> 18489 refers to Mageia 5
19:17:28 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20874
19:17:30 <[mbot> Bug 20874: normal, Normal, kde, NEW , Random ksmserver errors being reported, plasma-workspace
19:17:44 <lewyssmith> You aired those last week.
19:18:15 <wilcal> I cannot find a way around them and cannot really get a clean install without running into them
19:18:31 <wilcal> Only one other person has encountered them
19:19:00 <lewyssmith> Encouraging.
19:19:01 <wilcal> I've been posting the journalctl logs and looking for someone to find something in there
19:19:49 <wilcal> I'm afraid if we release with these it'll really bite us in the behind in the field
19:20:10 <wilcal> Is there any other log fine that tracks Plasma
19:20:20 <wilcal> log file
19:20:39 <lewyssmith> Let us see what heppanes testing 'fianl'.
19:20:55 <lewyssmith> Anyhow, Updates are the main activity for the moment.
19:21:03 <wilcal> I will continue to point to these two issues as we go along
19:21:19 <wilcal> I see that and all of you know my position on that
19:21:39 <lewyssmith> Good evening Chris.
19:21:42 <wilcal> I don't see a clear safe path M5 -> M6
19:21:53 <wilcal> Evening kris
19:22:03 <krisNL> g evening, sorry for being late
19:22:14 <wilcal> Especaillly KDE -> Plasma on a busy system
19:22:45 <wilcal> too many moving parts maybe
19:23:30 <lewyssmith> That's KED/Plasma for you.
19:23:52 <lewyssmith> Move on?
19:24:00 <wilcal> I thought the m6 repo had gone quite but today there were quite a number of basic changes
19:24:15 <wilcal> Ya, too much frustration here for me
19:24:32 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
19:25:01 <lewyssmith> Somebody has been doing a purge on 64-bit; and Herman is amazing on all his 32-bit OKs.
19:25:29 <wilcal> OK's everywhere
19:25:41 <lewyssmith> In just 1 day, the validated list is as big as the to-do one. Fantastic job.
19:26:17 <lewyssmith> I can clear a few of the 32-bit only OKs for 64-bit.
19:27:08 <wilcal> Sounds like a plan
19:27:47 <wilcal> The Kodi/Xbmc is really a non issue it's been working for a long time
19:27:48 <lewyssmith> I need to get busy on Adivsories, too. Oh dear.
19:28:12 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Will you do that one, then?
19:29:01 <wilcal> Just put a yes in there so that's a non-issue works fine in M6
19:29:20 <wilcal> so the list is under control
19:29:24 <lewyssmith> BTW The Qemu thing is not [yet] on the updates list.
19:29:49 <wilcal> so many cycles being worked on that one issue
19:31:40 <wilcal> Anything else on the updates list
19:32:23 <wilcal> Could be a short meeting today, waiting on the m6 repo to settle down and the final isos to be generated
19:32:54 <wilcal> On to:
19:33:01 <wilcal> #topic Anything Else?
19:33:08 <krisNL> last 2 weeks I was trying to help closing bugs with high priority for M6, had some success ...
19:33:28 <stratocaster7> This is late for m6 but I just got in... Have any of you done a netinstall, picked custom, and had trouble selecting some of the package groups (like development or web/ftp)?
19:33:44 <wilcal> Many thanks. I've been looking at the stuff I posted and taking those down.
19:33:50 <lewyssmith> krisNL: Pat on the back.
19:33:53 <hviaene> To be sure: the latests classical ISO buikd was May 20??
19:33:54 <krisNL> but most of the bugs are about hardware I don't have or stuff which is about my head
19:34:00 <wilcal> I'm really down to two with both being critical
19:34:20 <krisNL> above
19:34:31 <wilcal> When we started M6 development there were "100's"
19:34:47 <wilcal> Blocker list I think is at 10
19:35:02 <hviaene> And are we waying fot new ISI to be buit for the fianl release?
19:35:08 <hviaene> ISO
19:35:12 <lewyssmith> hviaene: Yes, Herman. 20 May.
19:35:39 <lewyssmith> And yes, we are awaiting the first 'final' IOS.
19:35:51 <hviaene> fingertrouble!!!
19:35:58 <krisNL> hi herman, what about your intel wifi trouble?
19:35:59 <wilcal> That will be a good one
19:36:47 <wilcal> This old Dell M6 x86_64 laptop continues to play like a Champ
19:36:54 <krisNL> stratocaster7: did not try dev or server install
19:37:02 <lewyssmith> Hello Ben; we are winding up!
19:37:23 <Benmc> just made it for the send-off again
19:37:28 <wilcal> Anything to add Ben
19:37:37 <wilcal> Testing M6?
19:37:44 <hviaene> Nothing changed I guess, these are not available at installation, and nrrd at least onr cold restart, to get stable
19:38:08 <hviaene> need
19:38:11 <lewyssmith> Ben does post his findings on qa-discuss.
19:38:21 <Benmc> just some problems with upgrading M i586 to 6, gnome and mate wont login
19:38:50 <lewyssmith> I need to get a successful Upgrade before trying that one.
19:38:53 <stratocaster7> Well, FWIW I have a laptop in front of me that if you pick a custom install and then try to pick package groups, you can only pick some of them. Others change the package values but there is no check mark.
19:39:15 <wilcal> Ben - imo upgrading from M5 -> M6 on a complex system may not be doable
19:39:28 <wilcal> Especially KDE -> Plasma
19:39:46 <wilcal> You have to start with a blank drive
19:39:54 <Benmc> did find a problem with one of the M5 classicals. single de install of gnome failed, only icewm available - in a vbox
19:39:54 <wilcal> just my opinion
19:39:58 <lewyssmith> It will be possible, Bill, once the conflicts etc are sorted.
19:40:07 <wilcal> crossed fingers
19:40:28 <krisNL> stratocaster7: i saw a new bug reort that net install is broken atm
19:40:52 <stratocaster7> krisNL: Ok. Maybe that is it then. Can always hope. Thanks.
19:40:54 <wilcal> lewus: how far away are we from a really frozen M6 repo?
19:41:17 <lewyssmith> You tell me. It was supposed to happen last weekend.
19:41:31 <lewyssmith> Except for vital things.
19:41:48 <lewyssmith> Rémi put out a very good post about it.
19:41:51 <wilcal> kernel changes in the last 24-hrs but not critical
19:42:04 <krisNL> martin is waiting for one bug to get fixed, libreoffice anf french
19:42:22 <lewyssmith> News to me.
19:42:33 <Benmc> guessing freeze has happenned. Didtribution upgrades start immediately- no multiple attempts at getting a good mirrror
19:42:57 <wilcal> it's considerable quieter then a few weeks ago
19:43:20 <lewyssmith> Are you suggesting it is worth re-trying upgrades?
19:44:03 <wilcal> Probably better chance now then even a week or so ago
19:44:17 <Benmc> lewis: yes
19:44:22 <lewyssmith> May do, then. After updates...
19:44:41 <wilcal> Remember the infamous RC2 with over 200 changes within 48-hours
19:45:12 <lewyssmith> History, Bill.
19:45:18 <wilcal> thank god
19:45:47 <lewyssmith> Nothing more from me.
19:45:48 <wilcal> anyway Anything else
19:45:56 <wilcal> nothing from me
19:46:08 <krisNL> nope
19:46:12 <hviaene> None here
19:46:27 <lewyssmith> Thank you to those who came; and Bill for his habitual good chairmanship.
19:46:30 <wilcal> ok folks hopefully more settled next Thurs
19:46:41 <wilcal> and keeping my head screwed on
19:46:45 <wilcal> :-))
19:46:57 <wilcal> time for count down
19:47:02 <wilcal> T-5
19:47:14 <wilcal> T-4
19:47:15 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone.
19:47:19 <krisNL> bye all
19:47:21 <wilcal> luv this m6 laptop
19:47:26 <wilcal> T-3
19:47:31 <wilcal> T-2
19:47:33 <wilcal> bye all
19:47:37 <wilcal> T-1
19:47:39 <wilcal> #endmeeting