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19:04:23 <wilcal> hello everyone welcome to another
19:04:33 <rindolf> hi all
19:04:38 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
19:04:38 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
19:05:04 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:05:11 <wilcal> anyone new here in the crowd
19:05:47 <wilcal> i don't see anyone new
19:05:51 <brian___> nope just an extra _
19:06:06 <wilcal> so here we go:
19:06:08 <wilcal> #topic M6 Mageia 6 - freeze and final isos
19:06:27 <brian___> any majors come out from the larger audience?
19:06:38 <wilcal> So apologies to everyone. I was kinda pounding on the table early this week
19:06:44 <krisNL> wilcal pushed the freeze, I'm glad you did
19:06:52 <lewyssmith> Remember the freeze srats after Sunday.
19:07:28 <wilcal> So everyone know my issue was that we released the RC the withing just a few days 100's of rpms were released
19:07:37 <wilcal> over 600
19:07:53 <wilcal> the an installed rc immediately needed 200 updates
19:08:06 <wilcal> and that really clogged up the repos
19:08:13 <brian___> yeah - we kind of need the final ISO's to be built
19:08:15 <wilcal> blew up my test platform
19:08:28 <brian___> I'll assume Monday for next RC
19:08:40 <lewyssmith> Final, Bill.
19:08:44 <wilcal> Final i think is what they are calling it
19:08:59 <wilcal> first the freeze on the 6th i think
19:09:05 <wilcal> then the new final isos
19:09:08 <brian___> ok - somebody please be very detailed on how to change our iso's.  Like Claire used to do
19:09:18 <lewyssmith> -5 Sorry, to Brian.
19:09:19 <Bequimao> wilcal: dnf would have found a solution or aborted without commits.
19:09:24 <brian___> LOL
19:10:06 <lewyssmith> brian___: The exact rename command to use sill be posted.
19:10:06 <wilcal> so it's been proposed about 2-weeks after then freeze/finals m6 gets released
19:10:17 <wilcal> unless something awful is found
19:10:23 <brian___> lewssmith: thanks
19:10:38 <wilcal> That's the plan anyway
19:10:43 <brian___> I assume nothing so far?
19:11:00 <lewyssmith> We have to wait for the freeze to happen.
19:11:09 <wilcal> I'm working a couple issues that may be significant but I need a day or two to define them
19:11:37 <brian___> <sigh> I put somebody else to sleep
19:12:06 <lewyssmith> I wonder if he runs Mageia on it.
19:12:45 <wilcal> We've really got to get the developers on M7 somewhere where they can make unlimited changes
19:13:20 <wilcal> so tmb proposed the plan a couple days ago and got lots of support
19:13:30 <lewyssmith> Bill, it makes me nervous to talk already about M7 - whatever we might have in mind.
19:13:31 <wilcal> I think it's universally supported here
19:13:39 <krisNL> can't the dev'ers have a sort of playground? kindergarden or something like this
19:13:54 <wilcal> That'll be M7
19:14:03 <lewyssmith> krisNL: Yes: it is called Cauldron!
19:14:10 <wilcal> Yup
19:14:27 <krisNL> lol
19:14:39 <wilcal> So I've a question about the plasma desktop set up
19:14:59 <wilcal> lets start with a new install and a blank plasma desktop
19:15:19 <wilcal> it's net or ci install so filezilla is part of the install
19:15:39 * krisNL is meanwhile watching the news
19:16:09 <wilcal> when you get to the new plasma desktop drag the filezilla icon from the menu to the desktop
19:16:29 <brian___> <scraping sound>
19:16:31 <wilcal> click on the filezilla icon on the desktop
19:17:03 <wilcal> at that point you should get a Plasma warning "This will start the program: xxx"
19:17:05 <wilcal> ect ect
19:17:21 <wilcal> what I'm seeing at that point is a desktop/plasma freeze
19:17:30 <wilcal> on all my platforms
19:17:47 <lewyssmith> Just Filezilla?
19:17:57 <wilcal> about half the apps
19:18:21 <wilcal> once you fuss around with that app it seems to go away for that app
19:18:25 <lewyssmith> Would you not normally add them to the taskbar? 1 click instead of 2.
19:18:42 <wilcal> i drag them to the desktop
19:19:02 <wilcal> so that launch of that warning message is freezing te plasma desktop
19:19:11 <lewyssmith> Have you bugged it?
19:19:26 <Bequimao> wilcal: no, works here. I just dropped the icon to my desktop.
19:19:35 <wilcal> I'm gathering enough into now
19:20:03 <wilcal> It may be if you've got an M6 install running for awhile you won't see it. Only on brand new installs
19:20:30 <lewyssmith> I will try it once we get 1st final ISOs.
19:20:35 <tarazed> With no updates in between?
19:20:44 <wilcal> M6 has been in this laptop for a couple weeks and I haven't seen it in a long time
19:20:50 <lewyssmith> Does it happen fro Plasma Live &/or classic?
19:20:51 <wilcal> just be aware of it
19:21:18 <wilcal> Plasma live the default plasma desktop
19:21:36 <lewyssmith> But not Plasma ex Classic?
19:21:36 <wilcal> heppens on Vbox clients and real hardware
19:22:06 <wilcal> I'm confused as to what Plasma live vs classic is
19:22:23 <lewyssmith> Plasma installed from the Classic ISO.
19:22:49 <wilcal> CI vs LiveDVD
19:22:56 <lewyssmith> Yes.
19:23:10 <wilcal> Ahh today i encountered it big time with a net install to a Vbox client
19:23:37 <wilcal> so be aware I'm chasing that one
19:24:27 <wilcal> I'll include journalctl dumps in the bug
19:24:53 <wilcal> any other logs anyone can think of
19:25:51 <lewyssmith> I think enough on this particular thing for now, Bill. We are forewarned!
19:26:01 <wilcal> All in all after the install settles down M6 is imo better then M5
19:26:21 <wilcal> any other comments on M6
19:26:41 <brian___> can we call it mi6?
19:26:48 <tarazed> Has anybody seen any freezes in firefox?
19:26:55 <krisNL> my newly 'upgraded' xfce desktop is running without issues
19:27:20 <wilcal> Very nice feature those two Xfce LiveDVD's
19:27:23 <brian___> tarazed:  is that when you sit on it for hours without closing?
19:27:23 <lewyssmith> brian___: Are you thinking spooks or motorways?
19:27:42 <brian___> maybe "mission impossible"  ;-)
19:27:45 <krisNL> spooks!!!
19:27:56 <krisNL> my favourite uk series
19:28:06 <wilcal> onward
19:28:10 <krisNL> sorry, off topic
19:28:12 <tarazed> No, it is a something like a 2 minute freeze on first launch.  1 core  at 100%
19:28:27 <brian___> hmm - I haven't seen that.  Clear cache
19:28:35 <lewyssmith> krisNL: Off topic: watch Frost if you can.
19:28:44 <wilcal> I'll watch for that
19:28:54 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
19:29:21 <wilcal> So the VLC bug is tested and needs to be pushed. Any comments there
19:29:39 <wilcal> sorry open vpn
19:30:02 <lewyssmith> Openvpn has 2 OKs. Shall I verify it?
19:30:14 <wilcal> please
19:30:37 <wilcal> We need someone to author a how to page for openvpn on Mageia
19:31:32 <lewyssmith> No sooner said than done!
19:32:03 <wilcal> should be simple but the testing you did looked pretty complex
19:32:07 <brian___> 20864, 20865 - I don't have an x86_64 build.  Anybody else going to test LDME?
19:32:32 <tarazed> lewis: and we still have that openssh document to write.
19:32:33 <lewyssmith> I will do both those.
19:32:49 <lewyssmith> tarazed: I know, Len! Been busy...
19:33:04 <tarazed> lewis: me too.
19:33:20 <krisNL> I'll try Openbox DE
19:33:24 <wilcal> openvpn how to page should be follow the bouncing ball easy imo
19:33:54 <lewyssmith> Re deluge, I am queered by not knowing how to drive Torrrent.
19:34:05 <wilcal> I've never done nss
19:34:20 <wilcal> I haven't done torrent anything for years
19:34:37 <wilcal> what is nss?
19:35:05 <lewyssmith> Something to do with Firefox & HTTPS, I think.
19:35:35 <lewyssmith> Can anyone give me a a Torrent URL?
19:36:35 <wilcal> tracing back the bug there are some "proceedures" back there
19:37:06 <lewyssmith> I wil look again; thanks.
19:37:49 <krisNL> offtopic, news: Mr T: back to the middel age, oh my
19:38:30 <lewyssmith> Ifftopic: Don't embarasss our American friends.
19:38:40 <brian___> LOL
19:38:55 <wilcal> Mr-T will be our new Press Secretary
19:39:18 <brian___> from the "A-Team" series I think  ;-)
19:39:29 <wilcal> anyway lots of "OK" there
19:39:49 <lewyssmith> Which makes it easier to do the doubles.
19:40:00 <wilcal> some time to tinker with updates this weekend
19:40:36 <brian___> I could attack git again on 64-bit.  KrisNL - you seem technical, are you a git user?
19:40:57 <wilcal> maybe just a clean install and update on some of those "OK"'s
19:41:08 <krisNL> brian___: no, i'm a normal user
19:41:19 <lewyssmith> wilcal:Test if we can.
19:41:47 <wilcal> yes
19:41:47 <brian___> ok - I'll goof with git on 64-bit then.  anyone out there a power user, if you read this, try the fix.
19:42:31 <brian___> I haven't done remote push, which is important, but not in a place to do that testing
19:42:32 <lewyssmith> We seem to be going through a phase of unkown pkgs, and OKs are often not too confident.
19:42:44 <lewyssmith> Plead guilty.
19:43:12 <brian___> yeah, I'm doing the basic does it breath testing
19:43:20 <wilcal> i agree but only so many of us
19:43:32 <lewyssmith> brian___: That is normally fine.
19:43:46 <wilcal> As  I've said some of these things are career builders
19:44:07 <lewyssmith> Anyhow, we are basically coping; no crisis at present.
19:44:13 <wilcal> so
19:44:16 <wilcal> #topic Anything Else?
19:44:24 <lewyssmith> Not here.
19:44:40 <krisNL> i have a question ...
19:44:54 <wilcal> go
19:45:06 <krisNL> 4700+ unmaintained packages
19:45:23 <krisNL> but they are packaged ...
19:45:37 <krisNL> will this be a problem anytime soon?
19:45:45 <wilcal> Historically that's kinda been the case Mandrake -> Mandriva -> Mageia
19:46:01 <lewyssmith> Is it a new situation? Perhaps it has alwys been thus.
19:46:28 <wilcal> If I have a concern with a package I look to see if it's supported on Fedora
19:46:29 <lewyssmith> Updates are often assigned to "all' packagers if therre is no-one specific.
19:46:42 <krisNL> this glib thingy was unmaintaiend, ye know, which broke libre office
19:46:43 <wilcal> welcome ben
19:46:50 <lewyssmith> Hello Ben. Just finishing!
19:47:15 <Benmc> QA, Hiya
19:47:29 <lewyssmith> What time is it with you?
19:47:32 <wilcal> Any comments on M6 going to final next week
19:47:38 <brian___> krisNL: We get quite a few updates for glib ... I may be missing context
19:47:53 <Benmc> Lewis:7:47
19:47:58 <lewyssmith> Thanks.
19:48:00 <brian___> but I remember the libreoffice issue
19:48:14 <brian___> GM Ben
19:48:53 <krisNL> brian___: glib was upgraded and broke libre office, i saw it had no maintainer
19:49:09 <leuhmanu> and ?
19:49:22 <brian___> ok so may have surprised someone
19:49:31 <leuhmanu> I guess 3000 of them are perl pkg
19:50:08 <leuhmanu> it's not because there is no real maintainer that's not maintained in the sense you mean
19:50:20 <leuhmanu> and for glib, it was an upstream issue iirc
19:50:41 <krisNL> so, the answer to my q is: no problem
19:50:51 <leuhmanu> I didn't said that
19:50:53 <brian___> so we snagged a bug....   ;-)  never happens in life.  <wink>
19:51:04 <wilcal> We're not Fedora/RedHat
19:51:04 <lewyssmith> krisNL: Only one of quantity.
19:51:08 * krisNL gives up
19:51:12 <leuhmanu> there will always be lack of manpower
19:51:16 <lewyssmith> Please don't!
19:51:17 <wilcal> but we depend on that combo a lot
19:51:51 <wilcal> David gets a lot of his info from Fedora I think
19:52:07 <wilcal> many of the rpms will plug and play in Mageia
19:53:10 <wilcal> Anything else
19:53:36 <wilcal> work the updates wait for the freeze and final early next week
19:53:58 <brian___> ok - I'm excited to start my next build from the iso's
19:54:25 <wilcal> I am too. this little dell laptop is love'n M6
19:54:31 <brian___> lewssmith - Xfce
19:54:38 <wilcal> Plasma x86_64
19:54:48 <brian___> ;-)
19:54:53 <wilcal> Yes Xfce is the big star of M6
19:54:56 <lewyssmith> brian___: Good.
19:55:10 <wilcal> it'll be interesting to see how that goes with the mageia fans
19:55:18 <wilcal> time for count down
19:55:23 <wilcal> T-5
19:55:26 <wilcal> bye all
19:55:33 <brian___> based on my tracked bittorrents - it'll be plasma again
19:55:40 <krisNL> thanks everyone, and bye
19:55:42 <brian___> bye
19:55:43 <wilcal> T-4
19:55:52 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all. Thanks for co,ntributing.
19:56:00 <wilcal> T-3
19:56:06 <wilcal> T-2
19:56:21 <wilcal> T-1
19:56:27 <wilcal> #endmeeting