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19:05:05 <rindolf> brian_: sup?
19:05:08 <lewyssmith> Welcome TJ.
19:05:14 <tjandrews> Hello!
19:05:16 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:05:33 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
19:05:33 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
19:05:44 <wilcal> see anyone new?
19:06:15 <lewyssmith> Let us ask: is ther anyone new to a QA IRC meeting? If so, please speak up.
19:06:52 <wilcal> no response so I guess not
19:06:55 <wilcal> #topic M6 Mageia 6
19:07:13 <lewyssmith> Lives: what are the residual problems?
19:07:26 <wilcal> so today I completed an install on real hardware and indeed the printing system does not work for my HP printer
19:07:39 <wilcal> M5 is fine, M6 is not
19:08:04 <hviaene> wilcal : classical???
19:08:05 <wilcal> Lots of discussion I've seen on that. Anyone know of a bug number
19:08:39 <tjandrews> wilcal: Did you happen to add your user to the lp group? I had to do that a while back with M6.
19:08:44 <wilcal> i did the install yesterday and I think I started with the Plasma LiveDVD and updated that
19:09:15 <wilcal> Ahhh yes gotta go back and do that. It was complaining about no communication with the printer/scanner
19:09:35 <lewyssmith> Is this just a Live problem, or Classic as well?
19:09:37 <wilcal> I'll try it again but I have seen some chatter about the printer(s) not workin
19:09:59 <tjandrews> That was what mine was doing.
19:10:00 <wilcal> IMO after the install and update from where you installed from is irrelevant
19:10:13 <brian_> on both live and classic version wilcal?
19:10:26 <hviaene> I've done umpteen classical installs, never ptoblem with HP wifi printer
19:10:28 <lewyssmith> It may be, Bill; but that needs confirming.
19:10:33 <brian_> I had gotten the printer running pretty easily on an earlier edition of classic
19:10:47 <wilcal> This install to hardware was from the x86_64 Plasma LiveDVD is where I started
19:11:04 <hviaene> different story
19:11:44 <wilcal> the little green windows thingy in a netinstall to a Vbox Client is still there as of yesterday
19:12:05 <lewyssmith> Just VBox?
19:12:13 <wilcal> I've not seen it anywhere else
19:12:37 <lewyssmith> So, it does not show on a real NetInstall?
19:12:48 <wilcal> not on real hardware
19:12:59 <lewyssmith> Worth knowing.
19:13:11 <hviaene> Do you want me to try a plasma live tomorrow??
19:13:16 <wilcal> so is that worth being a release blocker
19:13:22 <wilcal> yes please
19:13:28 <hviaene> OK
19:13:32 <wilcal> also there are new isos due soon
19:13:53 <lewyssmith> -4: not in my view, Errata instead.
19:14:30 <lewyssmith> New ISOs: we *need* new Classics; apparently 2 imortant problems have been fixed (for some time).
19:14:38 <wilcal> also it's been suggested that the problem may be so deep seeded that it will take a high level person to find the cause
19:15:01 <wilcal> that one will be a Council decision
19:15:19 <wilcal> we should supply magnifying glasses with each install
19:15:36 <tjandrews> Martin's new Lives all install the nvidia340 driver easily now. No fooling around with the kernel options.
19:15:52 <lewyssmith> -2 Or suggest using an ISO.
19:15:56 <wilcal> ya nice little option there in the installl menu
19:17:04 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=VERIFIED&list_id=77271&order=assigned_to%2Cbug_id%20DESC&priority=release_blocker&product=Mageia&query_based_on=release_blocker&query_format=advanced&version=Cauldron
19:17:13 <wilcal> is  the release blocker list
19:17:41 <lewyssmith> M6 is dragging too long, & taking Mageia down with it. Somehow we have got to quicken the pace.
19:17:54 <wilcal> do look it over. Also go over any bugs you have opened for M6 to see if they are still valid
19:18:14 <wilcal> We gotta get this thing out the door this month
19:18:31 <lewyssmith> -2 Yes, often problems are resolved & bugs can be closed.
19:18:51 <wilcal> I get the feeling lots of developers are burned out on it
19:19:07 <tjandrews> Then the bugs need to be fixed. Releasing a buggy version won't help our reputation, either.
19:19:12 <wilcal> In it's present state it's, IMO, better then M5.
19:19:31 <lewyssmith> Except I cannot install it (Classic)...
19:19:44 <wilcal> Ya after so long between releases
19:20:56 <wilcal> Note: I continue to run from a USB Plasma x86_64 stick no HD laptop so it may crash out
19:21:10 <wilcal> runs pretty good actually
19:22:06 <wilcal> so basically we await again for new isos. I continue to do Vbox & Real HW netinstalls
19:22:16 <wilcal> at least 1x/week
19:22:41 <wilcal> It's also been awhile since M6 has crashed and burned on me
19:23:01 <lewyssmith> Re Lives, the problems I see are trivial & do not stop release.
19:23:13 <lewyssmith> Re the Classic, when it works - it works!
19:23:24 <wilcal> Next Council meeting I'm in I'll push hard
19:23:31 <tjandrews> I switched my production install to M6 months ago. Rock solid.
19:24:09 <wilcal> Ya I'm gonna start moving over too
19:24:17 <wilcal> anything else on M6?
19:24:25 <tjandrews> Classic seems to be great on MBR systems.
19:24:36 <lewyssmith> The main ? for the Classic is upgrading, but that is supposed to have been sorted (glibc).
19:25:03 <tjandrews> True. I didn't have the time to try that this time around.
19:25:16 <Bequimao> https://buhttps://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18986gs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18986
19:25:17 <[mbot> [ Invalid Bug ID ]
19:25:35 <wilcal> the only problem i see with m6 right now is there are a lot of daily updates. So if something goes wrong there a production sytem can take a hit
19:25:52 <Bequimao> why a packet is added to the isos, which is broken freom the beginnings?
19:26:12 <lewyssmith> Which pkg?
19:26:19 <Bequimao> kwallet-pam
19:26:33 <lewyssmith> Beyond my experience.
19:27:01 <Bequimao> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18986
19:27:02 <[mbot> Bug 18986: critical, High, kde, NEW , kwallet-pam: single sign on (SSO) not possible with sddm, kwallet-pam
19:27:28 <wilcal> is that used on all installs. I don't use kwallet
19:27:43 <tjandrews> I don't, either.
19:27:52 <hviaene> me neither
19:28:12 <wilcal> i keep telling my installs not to use kwallert
19:28:15 <lewyssmith> Bequimao: Is the pkg *necessary*? Could it be simply dropped?
19:28:50 <wilcal> it's part of the Plasma system
19:29:10 <Bequimao> It should be dropped. It never was included before. We have a freeze, haven't we?
19:29:43 <wilcal> We are in Version freeze I think but not updates to packages
19:29:47 <lewyssmith> If the system works without it, it can surely be dropped.
19:30:20 <wilcal> certainly shouldn't hold up M6
19:30:46 <Bequimao> No, it can be fixed later.
19:31:04 <wilcal> so should not be a blocker
19:31:05 <hviaene> Can you drop it without pulling some other string in Plasma?
19:31:16 <wilcal> I don't know
19:31:27 <Bequimao> There are no dependencies to be seen.
19:31:54 <lewyssmith> Is it just on the Plasma Live, or in the Classic as well?
19:32:17 <Bequimao> I tested only Classic install.
19:32:26 <lewyssmith> OK.
19:32:33 <hviaene> So it is not working properly, but trying to drop it might make things worse??
19:33:16 <lewyssmith> Bequimao said 'it was never includee before'. But before what?
19:33:59 <Bequimao> Never include before Mageia 6 rc
19:34:02 <wilcal> it's not on the release blocker list
19:34:22 <lewyssmith> OK. So it came with Plasma - like other pains.
19:34:30 <hviaene> Oh I had a fight with it in the beginning of M5 to get it out of my way
19:35:04 <hviaene> It was part o the standard KDE4 allright
19:35:20 <wilcal> I put a comment on that bug asking if it should be a release blocker
19:35:22 <lewyssmith> So I was wrong; apologies.
19:35:43 <Bequimao> No, I am not referring to kwallet, but to pam-kwallet.
19:35:46 <tjandrews> I kept getting a popup about it when I used Chrome, so I stopped using Chrome.
19:36:24 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: Mad to use Chrome at all.
19:36:42 <brian_> some of my tools require it
19:37:32 <wilcal> ya I use chrome as a fall back to test misbehaving sites
19:37:39 <wilcal> lots  of those
19:38:20 <hviaene> Checked my M5 installation, pam-kwallet is installed, and I certainly did not ask for it.
19:39:13 <wilcal> ok i think we should move on
19:39:24 <lewyssmith> I do not think there is more to say on M6 except *new ISOs* please, especially Classic.
19:39:31 <wilcal> yup
19:39:33 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
19:39:42 <tjandrews> I had to leave for a minute. Heavy rain coming over the hill and I had to shut the workshop doors.
19:39:48 <wilcal> so Vbox really filled up my weekend :-)
19:39:54 <wilcal> had to do it twice
19:39:59 <lewyssmith> No OK yet?
19:40:15 <wilcal> but looks ok need at least someone else to try it
19:40:29 <wilcal> IMO Vbox and i586 are not compatible
19:40:35 <lewyssmith> Ask on qa-discuss; I cannt.
19:41:14 <lewyssmith> The worst looking update is NTP. Server & client affair.
19:41:24 <wilcal> gracious
19:41:33 <wilcal> list is medium long
19:41:51 <jkerr82508> wilcal: I tested vbox https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20729#c5
19:41:52 <[mbot> Bug 20729: critical, Normal, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED , virtualbox new security issues fixed in 5.1.22, virtualbox-5.1.18-6.mga6.src.rpm
19:42:01 <lewyssmith> Herman is this weeks's/month's update test hero. I tread his footsteps.
19:42:55 <wilcal> kool just put a comment in there and I'll Validtate it. There's a kernel update in the pipe and with an open Vbox update the kernel can be moved forward
19:43:29 <lewyssmith> Put a note on qa-discuss about the kernel; we can all try it.
19:43:31 <hviaene> I feel flattered, what's coming behind????surprise
19:43:52 <wilcal> anything else in there. Lots of stuff I've not seen before
19:44:30 <lewyssmith> Without having looked at them all, most look manageable.
19:44:33 <tjandrews> I've been falling down on the job. I plead farm work getting in the way. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
19:44:50 <wilcal> k grow that corn or whatever
19:44:53 <wilcal> :-)
19:45:50 <wilcal> Well lets move on
19:45:52 <wilcal> #topic Anything Else?
19:46:11 <wilcal> Dave was not at the Council meeting and he's not here today. So some concern there
19:46:44 <Benmc> he was about yesterday ( Good morning)
19:46:49 <wilcal> kool
19:47:15 <wilcal> pretty short Council meeting awaiting isos again
19:47:22 <wilcal> which is where we are at
19:47:44 <hviaene> Nothing further from me
19:48:13 <wilcal> so before we end a show of hands on the netinstall Vbox little green windows bug. Release blocker or not?
19:48:13 <Bequimao> Any news about the forums?
19:48:32 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: Summer is on its way, we expect you to bo out there with it.
19:48:36 <wilcal> Ya that was still down yesterday
19:49:04 <wilcal> Still down today
19:49:11 <lewyssmith> My DSL box has just re-set itself, so I have been absent for 5 minutes.
19:49:18 <Benmc> the vbox wlittle windows also affects some classical installer.isos
19:49:49 <wilcal> FWIW I was part of the AT&T DSL beta test around 97/98
19:50:10 <wilcal> 128kbs download
19:50:12 <wilcal> :-)
19:50:18 <wilcal> 64 up
19:50:19 <Benmc> so, release blocker from me
19:50:43 <lewyssmith> Back again; hello Ben.
19:50:48 <wilcal> Ok Ben argument there is lots of people production used Mageia as a Vbox client
19:51:05 <hviaene> I cann't remember seeing this lately, so no opinion on it
19:51:29 <wilcal> Anything else
19:52:07 <Benmc> Lewis. hi, (soon to be bye)
19:52:12 <wilcal> then time for countdown
19:52:17 <wilcal> T-5
19:52:24 <wilcal> T-4
19:52:29 <wilcal> T-3
19:52:32 <wilcal> T-2
19:52:36 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone.
19:52:42 <wilcal> bye all
19:52:44 <wilcal> T-1
19:52:49 <wilcal> #endmeeting