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20:02:23 <DavidWHodgins> #chair lewyssmith wilcal tarazed
20:02:23 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins lewyssmith tarazed wilcal
20:02:29 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello.
20:02:32 <lewyssmith> Welcome TJ.
20:02:43 <tjandrews> Hi.
20:02:45 <DavidWHodgins> So, anyone here who hasn't been to a qa team irc meeting before?
20:02:51 <wilcal> Hi tj
20:02:54 <tarazed> tj: How's your head?
20:03:01 <lewyssmith> And the wall?
20:03:10 <DavidWHodgins> lol
20:03:21 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Do we know King_InuYasha ?
20:03:23 <tjandrews> Battered and bleeding, but still firm.
20:03:40 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Yes. ngompa
20:03:49 <lewyssmith> Good.
20:03:56 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Mageia 6 - Testing upgrades from Mageia 5
20:04:05 <lewyssmith> Hello Herman.
20:04:12 <hviaene> Hi all
20:04:12 <wilcal> Ah yes, M6
20:04:15 <DavidWHodgins> Hope everyone has been able to start testing upgrading from Mageia 5 to 6
20:04:42 <hviaene> No, not yet
20:04:48 <wilcal> Present status of M6 using a net install from a known good repo looks very good here
20:04:54 <DavidWHodgins> Best to ensure the starting point can be recreated, either by using vb snapshots, or copies of the m5 install to restore from
20:05:10 <DavidWHodgins> Good to hear
20:05:20 <wilcal> I am very comfortable with getting a good and stable install of M6
20:05:34 <DavidWHodgins> I've done very little upgrade testing so far. Will try to do more this weekend
20:05:40 <wilcal> As you can see I'm starting to look at the "edges"
20:05:49 <DavidWHodgins> Been too many other things to work on. :-)
20:06:01 <tjandrews> Only vbox update install I did went into the two green boxes.
20:06:08 <krisNL> wil try one upgrade next week
20:06:21 <wilcal> My struggle with the Vbox extension is a far "edge"
20:06:41 <lewyssmith> I was uneasy about the comment on the download web page about STA2 being 'unstable'. It is *not* that; plenty of glitches, yes, but that it not the same.
20:06:47 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Did you see comment 12 in bug 20555
20:06:48 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20555 normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , Vbox USB extension function not working, virtualbox
20:07:04 <DavidWHodgins> I'd forgotten about the vboxusers group
20:07:43 <hviaene> Now you mention it!!!
20:07:48 <wilcal> Ahhhhh I knew there was something I forgot. I bring it back up again while we're here and see if that solves the problem
20:08:27 <DavidWHodgins> I'll try it right after the meeting. Have to reboot back into m6 to test it. Only have my email etc on m5 currently
20:08:55 <wilcal> So IMO we're working the edges
20:08:58 <wilcal> on M6
20:09:04 * DavidWHodgins still using opera 12.16 for my email, newsgroups, etc
20:09:19 <wilcal> I'll do a M5 -> M6 upgrade this weekend too David
20:09:42 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: I still use that for browsing; but it went bersek for my e-mail years ago.
20:09:54 <DavidWHodgins> Good
20:10:05 <DavidWHodgins> I still use it for rss feeds too
20:10:07 <tarazed> I had a frustrating week with upgrades.  One or two worked but the machine used for most of them has special problems.
20:10:22 <krisNL> can I test an upgrade just by changing the repos, and do it online
20:10:22 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: I forgot: IRC!
20:10:27 <tarazed> Another machine broke down altogether and I had to rebuild the disk.
20:10:47 <DavidWHodgins> I use konversation for most irc, though I have irc accounts in opera too.
20:10:53 <DavidWHodgins> tarazed: Ouch
20:11:00 <lewyssmith> krisNL: It would be more authentic to use the Classic ISO.
20:11:12 <wilcal> Lets agree if this is still the official blockers page:
20:11:13 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=VERIFIED&priority=release_blocker&product=Mageia&query_format=advanced&version=Cauldron&order=assigned_to%2Cbug_id%20DESC&query_based_on=release_blocker&list_id=75384
20:11:35 <DavidWHodgins> #info Please try upgrading tests from Mageia 5 to 6, asap
20:11:57 <wilcal> Is that the blockers page?
20:12:23 <Bequimao> I don't have M5 any more and doubt that upgrade of Plasma and KMail works fine.
20:12:23 <DavidWHodgins> Just checking. This computer is a very slow laptop
20:13:14 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, that's the blockers page. Really getting down there now.
20:13:36 <wilcal> Yup, a very important page at this point
20:14:32 <DavidWHodgins> I expect that list will grow quite a bit as we do more upgrade testing. That's where we usually run into conflict problems, etc.
20:15:07 <wilcal> Any word about spinning some new isos?
20:15:31 <lewyssmith> Called RC? Is the rsync server geared up for that?
20:16:27 <tjandrews> Would be nice to know how many of those nvidia bugs are actually gone.
20:16:42 <lewyssmith> They seem to be diminishing.
20:17:10 <DavidWHodgins> That's up to Anne and Martin. I suggested changing the name from sta2 to rc with latest iso images, but they had already been built
20:17:46 <DavidWHodgins> I also dislike having them in pretesting, but again, it was already done.
20:18:04 <lewyssmith> Updating the name is inevitable in the present system.
20:18:04 <wilcal> OK USB stick is not being recognized
20:18:12 <wilcal> now being recognized
20:18:30 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: So fix is to add user to vboxusers group?
20:18:42 <DavidWHodgins> No word on new iso images currently
20:19:04 <wilcal> That got it to recognize and add a filter so the client can see it. More testing to make sure it all works as advertised
20:19:17 <DavidWHodgins> Great!
20:19:36 <wilcal> Don't forget to reboot system after adding yourself to the group
20:19:45 <DavidWHodgins> Good thing Oleg remembered about the vboxusers group. I'd completly forgotten about it.
20:19:57 <wilcal> Same here. :-0
20:19:59 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Logout/in is enough. No need to reboot
20:20:07 <wilcal> k
20:20:28 <DavidWHodgins> Anything else about M6 before we move on?
20:20:35 <wilcal> Not from me
20:20:39 <tjandrews> I remember having a spell with that problem. After that, I remember.
20:20:52 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:20:56 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing updates - Any difficulties, problems, issues?
20:21:14 <DavidWHodgins> firefox and tb validated
20:21:38 <tarazed> The kernel updates went smoothly
20:21:56 <lewyssmith> The 3 kernels + VB are the main things to clear.
20:22:13 <DavidWHodgins> Based on comment 1 of bug 20527, it's a high priority kernel update (as usual)
20:22:14 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20527 critical, High, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: kernel-4.4.55-1.mga5, kernel
20:22:22 <tjandrews> Will we be moving Mageia 5 to Firefox 52?
20:22:28 <DavidWHodgins> vb has been validated and pushed
20:22:31 <hviaene> Is there no roundcube specialist available???
20:22:40 <lewyssmith> Ah - that is a pig.
20:23:13 <lewyssmith> I think there is someone who *uses* it; but not one of us regulars.
20:23:13 <DavidWHodgins> I've tested it before. Think I still have the config files set up for it. Will add that to my list for after this meeting.
20:23:39 <DavidWHodgins> Same with pidgin
20:24:44 <DavidWHodgins> Also putty. deluge is the only one I see that I don't remember having tested before. That and the German localisation
20:24:47 <tarazed> There are a lot of OKs.  Are we waiting for the alternative achitectures to be tested?
20:24:54 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
20:25:08 <tarazed> Better polish up my vbox
20:25:09 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Dave, look in previous roundcubemail bugs to see the real user, ask him.
20:25:38 <wilcal> So these are the new kernels. Is the latest Vbox update in the repo yet?
20:25:40 <lewyssmith> tarazed: Anything I have visited for 64 should be easy for 32.
20:25:41 <DavidWHodgins> Only if the list gets too long, or an update waits too long do we validate with only one ok.  It's a judgement all when to do that
20:26:09 <DavidWHodgins> The vbox update was pushed yesterday, before  the latest kmod updates were made available
20:26:10 <hviaene> I did that, found Claire's recommendations,  but config files have changed in the mean time.
20:26:17 <krisNL> have vbox 5.1.18 running on my M5 host, normal update
20:26:25 <hviaene> On roundcube that is
20:26:43 <wilcal> So I should see that in mirrors.kernel.org
20:26:58 <DavidWHodgins> Been quite a while since I last tested roundcube. Have to relearn it. :-)
20:27:06 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Yes, it should be there already
20:27:57 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. deluge is another bittorrent client. Should be pretty easy to test
20:28:27 <hviaene> I think I've seen it in the past
20:28:34 <lewyssmith> I got it wrong! Did not drive it properly, but it worked within thos limits.
20:28:50 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: ?
20:28:56 <lewyssmith> Deluge.
20:29:00 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Ok
20:29:34 <DavidWHodgins> That's where having two vb guests running can help. One seeding, the other getting.
20:30:07 <lewyssmith> Claire said about needing port(s) opened.
20:30:08 <DavidWHodgins> Any questions or comments about the any of the updates before we move on?
20:30:40 <wilcal> Not from me
20:30:51 <tarazed> nope
20:30:57 <hviaene> No
20:31:31 <DavidWHodgins> On all of my systems, I usually add "ACCEPT net:192.168.0.0/16 fw" to /etc/shorewall/rules.drakx
20:31:45 <DavidWHodgins> Both of my hosts and all of the vb guests are in 192.168
20:31:56 <lewyssmith> Please add to the bug any necessary info like that.
20:32:35 <DavidWHodgins> Doesn't really belong to any individual bug report. More of a general qa tip or trick
20:32:44 <DavidWHodgins> I'll add that to the wiki
20:32:51 <lewyssmith> What wiki?
20:32:54 <hviaene> @david: shouldn't you change the rules file i.s.o. rules.drakx??
20:33:43 <DavidWHodgins> There's probably a better place to put the change. That one's always worked for me. Doesn't get overwritten on shorewall updates
20:34:09 <hviaene> But it does if you change the rules in MCC
20:34:55 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Tips_and_tricks
20:35:00 <lewyssmith> OK.
20:35:01 <hviaene> and MCC recdognizes the cusstom rules in the rules file and asks if they need preserving.
20:35:17 <hviaene> typos!!!!
20:35:34 <lewyssmith> Belgian beer?
20:35:49 <hviaene> None todat (yet)
20:35:52 <hviaene> today
20:36:07 <lewyssmith> !
20:36:26 <DavidWHodgins> hviaene: I don't think it does. Care must be taken when using mcc to edit firewall rules, to make sure it's kept.
20:36:56 <hviaene> It does, I have been playing with them lately
20:37:51 <hviaene> Trying to get generalsync to work
20:37:56 <DavidWHodgins> It keeps the individual ports open, but I don't think it keeps the accept for the /16
20:38:25 <DavidWHodgins> Note the accept for the /16 should only be used if all clients on the lan are trusted
20:39:06 <DavidWHodgins> That only leaves ...
20:39:08 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else?
20:39:18 <lewyssmith> Not here.
20:39:27 <krisNL> nothing
20:39:34 <wilcal> Hold a sec I need an opinion a short one
20:39:35 <hviaene> It keeps strange things when you put those in the rules file and confirm to jkeep when updating ports in MCC
20:39:47 <DavidWHodgins> #info Starting next week, the qa team irc meetings will be at 19UTC
20:40:03 <wilcal> so Europe changes this coming Sunday?
20:40:08 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
20:40:13 <hviaene> Yes
20:40:33 <DavidWHodgins> Must be a pain for those down under.
20:40:40 <DavidWHodgins> Goes the wrong way
20:40:44 <lewyssmith> Need to update this IRXC header appropriately.
20:40:46 <tarazed> wilcal: something else?
20:40:47 <wilcal> Any opinions on this:
20:40:48 <wilcal> https://www.blackducksoftware.com/
20:40:49 <[mbot> [ Black Duck Software | Open Source Security & Management ]
20:40:51 <hviaene> I had three or four times a hiccup in the Plasma desktop
20:41:07 <wilcal> These folks have approahed me
20:41:26 <wilcal> don't know if it's approproate for us
20:41:29 <hviaene> the screen sort of flashed, and the sound volume was set back to 100%
20:41:42 <hviaene> not agreable
20:41:53 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Do tell us more, Bill.
20:41:55 <DavidWHodgins> Never heard of it before. Just skimming the web sited
20:42:12 <wilcal> take a look and I'll ask again next week
20:42:23 <wilcal> Met them at SCALE 15x a couple weeks ago
20:43:22 <wilcal> Be interesting if SUSE would be using it
20:43:42 <hviaene> Black Duck integrates Hub into Microsoft’s Visual Studio Team Services and Team Foundation Server
20:43:55 <wilcal> Or is this just a Corporate thing and not appropriate for us
20:44:00 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. It's payware. 14 day free trial
20:44:19 <wilcal> Ya may be a Zillion Euros too I don't know
20:44:34 <DavidWHodgins> Not suitable for Mageia in general, though individuals may choose to use it
20:44:58 <wilcal> So a BIG user of Mageia may want to integrate that into their LAN?
20:46:02 <wilcal> ok I'm done
20:46:22 <DavidWHodgins> I don't see any pricing info
20:46:28 <wilcal> I'll ask
20:46:46 <DavidWHodgins> Countdown time then
20:46:49 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5
20:46:52 <DavidWHodgins> 4
20:46:53 <wilcal> bye all
20:46:55 <DavidWHodgins> 3
20:46:56 <hviaene> ShouldI write a bug on the issue I mentioned above ?? Bearing in mind I cann't provoke it now
20:47:10 <tarazed> G'night everybody
20:47:16 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone.
20:47:25 <krisNL> bye
20:47:25 <DavidWHodgins> hviaene: Do you remember what triggered it?
20:47:40 <wilcal> #endmeeting