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20:05:06 <hviaene> wilcal: I'll let you know later
20:05:13 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
20:05:13 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
20:05:21 <Pharaoh_Atem> afternoon all
20:05:25 <wilcal> So here we are again
20:05:32 <wilcal> Hello Pharaoh
20:05:42 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:05:49 <wilcal> Anyone new today?
20:06:05 <brian_> sorry I'm late
20:06:12 <lewyssmith> Hello Brian.
20:06:15 <wilcal> Hello brian
20:06:18 <krisNL> hi brian
20:06:20 <brian_> hi all
20:06:43 <wilcal> see anyone new lewys?
20:06:43 <ennael> hi there
20:06:49 <wilcal> Hello anne
20:06:54 <wilcal> Great to see you here
20:06:58 <lewyssmith> wilcal: No.
20:07:14 <ennael> (back to real world :p)
20:07:40 <wilcal> Ahh yes Paris in March. Been there done that a few times
20:07:48 <lewyssmith> kirmonkey: Are you new to this IRC meeting?
20:08:14 <tjandrews> Same here. 40-degrees F colder today than yesterday.
20:08:50 <wilcal> Do speak up kirmonkey when you get a chance
20:08:52 <tarazed> Mornin everybody
20:09:03 <lewyssmith> Hello Len.
20:09:19 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Bill, move on?
20:09:25 <wilcal> Lets move on to the fun
20:09:33 <wilcal> #topic M6 Mageia 6 - The new sta2 ISO's.
20:10:00 <lewyssmith> I have not seen anything that should stop it going out, warts & all.
20:10:24 <tjandrews> I haven't had a chance to sync the new Lives. Will try to do it overnight tonight.
20:10:43 <tarazed> So far they look good
20:11:11 <lewyssmith> Here is tha PAd if you want a quick look.
20:11:14 <lewyssmith> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mageia6-sta2
20:11:15 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ]
20:11:17 <krisNL> xfce and gnome: both are good
20:12:14 <wilcal> present state of those 4 isos is very good
20:12:19 <hviaene> Xfce is not good for me, due to a old  1.5Gb RAM laptop??
20:12:52 <kirmonkey> lewyssmith: I'm on this channel quite a bit but won't be watching the meeting tonight I'm afraid. I have to go to the pub... Hard Times
20:12:54 <tarazed> You had some printing problems Herman
20:13:06 <tjandrews> Been running M6 as production install for a few weeks now. It's been rock-solid. A few glitches, but nothing vitally important, once you get past the nvidia install troubles.
20:13:12 <wilcal> ennael help me understand. nouveau was installed by default. Was that intended?
20:13:32 <hviaene> tarazed: two live runs, two hangups
20:14:05 <lewyssmith> wilcal: In what context?
20:14:39 <wilcal> On my nvidia hardware system nouveau was installed no attempt to install the nvidia driver
20:15:23 <wilcal> install was clean and the system worked just fine
20:15:39 <lewyssmith> What ISO?
20:15:49 <wilcal> go to the MCC and install the nvidia driver and  and the install got borked
20:16:01 <wilcal> x86_64 Plasma LiveDVD
20:16:14 <lewyssmith> Not Anne's territory.
20:16:29 <ennael> sorry back
20:16:52 <wilcal> ennael: On my nvidia hardware system nouveau was installed no attempt to install the nvidia driver
20:17:03 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Did you install for propietary dirvers, or try adding them afterwards?
20:17:09 <wilcal> know any reason for this?
20:17:13 <wilcal> hold a sec
20:17:37 <ennael> indeed I cannot help you much on that side
20:17:41 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20381
20:17:43 <[mbot> Bug 20381: critical, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , Installing nvidia driver results in an unbootable system
20:18:03 <wilcal> I knew this was coming but waited for the new ISOs to really test it.
20:18:11 <wilcal> Same problem occurs with a net install
20:18:25 <lewyssmith> Is that *post* install, or installing with nonfree?
20:18:32 <wilcal> there are about 10 outstanding nvidia bugs right now
20:18:47 <wilcal> so initial install is using the nouveau driver and that works just fine
20:19:08 <lewyssmith> We can say that much, & warn for nVidia ones.
20:19:15 * alfred__ thinks pb comes as nouveau is build in in the initrd
20:19:19 <wilcal> once that's set go to MCC -> Hardware -> set up graphical server and install the nvidia driver
20:19:36 <wilcal> that borks the install. Dead dead done
20:19:59 <wilcal> I've been trying to get it to do anything but I ain't smart enough on this
20:20:20 <lewyssmith> OK, it kills the previously working system. What happens if you install for non-free?
20:21:12 <wilcal> Trying to get the journalctl to give me something but the kernel does not even get installed
20:21:20 <wilcal> our can't get to it in boot
20:21:49 <wilcal> This test only involved the new ISO
20:22:15 <wilcal> but I'm pretty sure if I do a net install with non-free it'll bork the install
20:22:26 <lewyssmith> Does it happen with Gnome & XFCE ones?
20:22:30 <krisNL> the isos are fine, they default to the free drivers
20:22:42 <wilcal> yes and that all works just fine
20:22:48 * alfred__ builds initrd omitting nouveau before installing nvidia
20:22:58 <lewyssmith> So why just the Plasma ISO?
20:23:00 <tjandrews> The only problem like that that I've seen with the nvidia340 driver is "cured" by adding "nokmsboot" to the kernel options.
20:23:44 <wilcal> I'd kinda like to use 20381 as a catchall for M6 nvidia problems because there are so many
20:24:04 <wilcal> I also don't think this should hold up sda2 release
20:24:16 <wilcal> get it out there and see how many people experience it
20:24:25 <wilcal> probably a lot
20:24:41 <lewyssmith> But with solemn warning about this.
20:24:52 <wilcal> A  BIG!!!!  warning
20:25:00 <alfred__> pb is nouveau always claims the video-divice so get rid of it
20:25:38 <wilcal> I wish there was a way to rescue the install but for me I can't get it back alive
20:25:40 <hviaene> Live i586 xfce on nvidia laptop: has also nouveau driver
20:26:17 <lewyssmith> alfred__: Is that easy - removing nouveau?
20:26:24 <wilcal> So it's defauting to nouveau even though the nvidia thing is available
20:26:59 <alfred__> lewyssmith: build the initrd w/o nouveau
20:27:03 <krisNL> martin explained it on the qa list, wil
20:27:22 <wilcal> IMO this is a bad problem but shouldn't hold up sta2 but is a release blocker
20:27:38 <tjandrews> Martin's notes in the email announcement gave instructions for using the proprietary drivers if you want to try them.
20:27:45 <alfred__> wilcal: yes
20:27:51 <wilcal> do note I'm no expert on this and it's quite a bit over my head but I do tinker with it
20:28:37 <lewyssmith> Shall we leave it for now?
20:28:45 <wilcal> I agree lewys
20:28:53 <wilcal> keep working it
20:29:26 <lewyssmith> Anything else on the Live ISOs?
20:29:40 <wilcal> not from me other then to get them released
20:29:50 <krisNL> release them
20:30:00 <wilcal> gotta get wider testing asap
20:30:24 <lewyssmith> OK. But we must wait for the Classic to catch up.
20:30:26 <hviaene> Yes, trying to run graphical setup from MCC: never starts, go to cli, XFdrake starts immedeiately
20:31:11 <lewyssmith> ennael: Anne, when will there be equivalent new Classic ISOs?
20:31:13 <tarazed> That sounds like root not having access to the display
20:31:31 <tarazed> xhost + might be a temporary fix
20:32:14 <hviaene> XFdrake from cli is now installing nvidia packeges
20:32:29 <wilcal> maybe incorrectly??
20:32:41 <lewyssmith> Can we release the Live STA2s before the Classic?
20:32:59 <wilcal> lets see how far behind anne is
20:33:34 <lewyssmith> She seems to have gone away...
20:34:04 <lewyssmith> So can we move on? I am ready for that, Bill.
20:34:18 <krisNL> waiting for the ci would mean more weeks or months waiting
20:34:55 <lewyssmith> If that is so, let us release the Lives.
20:35:12 <wilcal> let'em go
20:35:19 <tarazed> Agree
20:35:20 <wilcal> we gotta get these out there
20:35:24 <krisNL> agree
20:35:33 <lewyssmith> We all agree. Move on?
20:35:36 <tjandrews> I don't see why. The latest Classicals have been fine for me except for nvidia troubles.
20:36:00 <tjandrews> That was why would it take months?
20:36:08 <wilcal> I'm not having any issues with the CI's except the nvidia thingy
20:37:15 <wilcal> Are we all in agreement to let them all go?
20:37:27 <lewyssmith> The Classic is dated 22 Feb. Does it have *all* the partitioning fixes?
20:37:46 <lewyssmith> If so, I agrre with letting that out too.
20:37:50 <wilcal> Did you see my partitioning test
20:37:59 <brian_> I think overall they're stable.  some warts concerning a few items, but they're stable.
20:38:04 <tjandrews> I think that's a question for Anne.
20:38:04 <alfred__> agreed
20:38:23 <wilcal> 80GB drive, put a FAT32 40GB partition in  the middle, and the CI installed just fine
20:38:47 <wilcal> the data on the 4GB FAT partition was unharmed
20:38:47 <lewyssmith> So we agree to let all Lives *and* both Classics out?
20:39:00 <wilcal> yup
20:39:09 <ennael> sorry doing too many things at same times :)
20:39:17 <ennael> yes I've built new isos
20:39:24 <wilcal> ready to go
20:39:34 <ennael> making quick test before uploading it
20:39:37 <tjandrews> (Two thumbs up!)
20:39:38 <ennael> so should be there very soon
20:39:40 <tarazed> Agree with this also
20:39:53 <wilcal> so we delay release the whole pile until latest Monday
20:40:04 <lewyssmith> tarazed With what, Len?
20:40:21 <tarazed> With releasing the classic as well
20:40:25 <wilcal> Yes
20:40:33 <lewyssmith> But Anne has just re-made it.
20:40:51 <lewyssmith> We can test that very quickly.
20:40:51 <tarazed> That's the one innit?
20:41:08 <tarazed> We have four daya
20:41:13 <tarazed> days
20:41:21 <lewyssmith> What end day?
20:41:24 <wilcal> should be enough
20:41:26 <wilcal> Monday
20:41:30 <lewyssmith> Fine.
20:41:35 <tarazed> Wilcal said monday
20:41:37 <wilcal> Release Monday
20:41:52 <wilcal> ok for you ennael
20:42:02 <lewyssmith> tarazed: Are you avoing responsibility?!
20:42:16 <tarazed> Eh?
20:42:22 <wilcal> I always avoid responsibility :-))
20:42:40 <lewyssmith> tarazed: "Wilcal said..."
20:42:54 <tarazed> Does it mean release whatever - even if bugs are serious?
20:43:01 <ennael> yep
20:43:16 <wilcal> I haven't seen any real showstoppers except for the nvidia thing
20:43:25 <alfred__> are there serios ones?
20:43:30 <wilcal> We need a flashing sign on that one
20:43:52 <tarazed> lewis: touché
20:43:55 <wilcal> not that won't prevent you from installing and booting to a working desktop
20:44:17 <lewyssmith> tarazed: Depends on the seriousness. But we should be past that. Suggestion: if the brand new Classic has a nasrty surprise, we release that of 22 FeB;
20:44:31 <wilcal> eratta for CI should say install nvidia at your own risk.
20:45:03 <hviaene> Am I the only one who has these MCC "'Thjis program terminated abnormally" issues. I get those on any ISO up to now
20:45:31 <wilcal> there is a yes/no decision on proprietary driver in the install and the recommend is no
20:45:32 <krisNL> have not seen it
20:45:40 <alfred__> hviaene: which one
20:45:43 <tarazed> I have seen this fairly often and always suspected some loss of access for root.
20:45:58 <wilcal> is there on official bug
20:46:00 <tarazed> It can happen if the hostname is changed in a session.
20:46:32 <alfred__> i think it's not serios, restart mcc and all is ok
20:46:33 <hviaene> I'll check if I submitted a bug for it.
20:46:37 <lewyssmith> If it goes away with a reboot - that passes for now.
20:46:53 <tarazed> Or logout and in maybe.
20:47:03 <DavidWHodgins> Oops. Sorry. Forgot today was Thursday
20:47:11 <hviaene> alfred: yes, but that does not go for a live system
20:47:23 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Welcome anyway.
20:47:23 <tarazed> Of course.
20:47:26 <wilcal> Hello david just in time for the final final decision on sta2
20:47:28 <DavidWHodgins> Had konversation on the dev channel, so didn't notice it
20:47:29 <alfred__> hviaene: that's right
20:47:55 <wilcal> anne is about to release the CI isos
20:48:10 <wilcal> so we're looking at Monday to turn sta2 loose
20:48:25 <wilcal> you see anything that would prevent that?
20:48:28 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Assuming you mean rebuilt, not release
20:48:39 <wilcal> #chair DavidWHodgins
20:48:39 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins lewyssmith wilcal
20:48:50 <wilcal> yes she is rebuilt them
20:48:57 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins:  ...to QA.
20:49:05 <wilcal> yes
20:49:16 <wilcal> Guessing by tomorrow
20:49:33 <DavidWHodgins> Not showing on rabbit yet
20:49:34 <wilcal> then if those look good sta2 out the door Monday
20:49:55 <DavidWHodgins> Finally. :-)
20:50:08 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Ann is trying it briefly.
20:51:04 <wilcal> Note: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20381
20:51:05 <[mbot> Bug 20381: critical, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , Installing nvidia driver results in an unbootable system
20:51:30 <wilcal> there appears to be something serious with nvidia but that shouldn't hold up sta2 from wider release
20:51:45 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed
20:52:21 <DavidWHodgins> Errata would have to say something like use free (or even vesa) drivers, if necessary
20:52:31 <wilcal> So we are all agreed on Monday. Post to the Pad and lets communicate on the qa-discuss e-mail list Sunday late for me
20:52:33 <brian_> so install the latest lives Xfce on one of my antique nvidia machines I assume and confirm it works still
20:52:35 <DavidWHodgins> With info on how to do that
20:52:40 <brian_> fine with me
20:52:43 <hviaene> wilcal: MCC bug 20119
20:52:43 <tjandrews> nouveau seems to work OK.
20:52:46 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20119 normal, Normal, kde, NEW , MCC and desktop problems in first Plasma run after installation of M6-sta2 ( plasmashell[....]: file:///usr/lib64/qt5/qml/QtQuick/Controls/Button.qml:96: TypeError: Cannot read property of null)
20:52:53 <wilcal> nouveau is just fine
20:53:14 <brian_> I was wondering, but Xfce from classic on old nvidia is working fine from install.
20:53:41 <brian_> I'll try an install shortly on that
20:53:48 <DavidWHodgins> brian_: It seems to only affect recent nvidia cards
20:54:09 <alfred__> DavidWHodgins: na also old 6100
20:54:38 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Ok
20:54:48 <wilcal> shall we move on?
20:54:48 <brian_> so I need to go buy an 1080 and see if it works.  ;-)
20:54:52 <brian_> yes
20:54:58 <DavidWHodgins> lol
20:55:00 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates
20:55:02 <DavidWHodgins> yep
20:55:15 <wilcal> Vbox looks golden IMO should be pushed
20:55:44 <lewyssmith> If *you* sya that Bill, it is really certified!
20:56:21 <DavidWHodgins> I'll validate it now. We don't try to test it on i586 anymore
20:56:26 <wilcal> Takes me the better part of a day to do what I do. Whew!!!
20:56:47 <wilcal> IMO i586 + Vbox is not a valid platform
20:56:51 <lewyssmith> Anyhow, paople agree that running VB host on 32-bit is rather a waste of time; so that matters less.
20:56:56 <DavidWHodgins> Validated
20:57:03 <brian_> thx
20:57:12 <wilcal> Cool
20:57:29 <brian_> I think I got it to work on i586 server kernel oh a couple of gen's ago
20:57:50 <brian_> well i686
20:58:17 <DavidWHodgins> My i586 system died (power supply, which also destroyed 2 of it's 3 hard drives) Can't find any i586 systems available here
20:58:40 <brian_> me either, gave mine away
20:58:51 <wilcal> How relevant is i586 hardware anymore?
20:59:05 <brian_> dos prompt  >
20:59:09 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Dave, please leave libqicktime advisory for Ben or Len to try. The others are bigger, we should do those.
20:59:12 <DavidWHodgins> Not very.
20:59:26 <wilcal> Maybe Mageia M8 won't support it anymore
20:59:36 <lewyssmith> If not 7.
20:59:37 <DavidWHodgins> They are having trouble getting svn access. Trying to get it sorted out.
20:59:47 <hviaene> I find more of those than I like
20:59:47 <wilcal> any of the other Distros not supporting it anymore
20:59:56 <DavidWHodgins> But will leave libquicktime
20:59:57 <tjandrews> I pulled out my last i586 motherboard 18 months ago, mostly because it wouldn't boot from usb.
21:00:17 <tjandrews> It was still functional otherwise.
21:00:45 <wilcal> I've got this big ole i586 server box I so want to put a Raspberry Pi in :-))
21:00:51 <tarazed> tj: that's why I dumped my oldest laptop
21:00:54 <alfred__> it's not funny to work with such old iron :))
21:01:03 <DavidWHodgins> When my i586 system was working, I had to have a bootable usb stick present during power on the system, to be able to boot from usb. I.E. cold boot, not warm boot
21:01:20 <hviaene> I got people onto Mageia because they couldn't run Win anymore (aln their printers etc...)
21:01:49 <wilcal> There are distros specifically for old iron ( Puppy Linux )
21:01:57 <lewyssmith> We should not be debating this here & now, please.
21:02:11 <wilcal> But you can do a Raspberry Pi now for under $100 without the screen
21:02:22 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed. Any questions about the updates waiting for testing?
21:02:26 <wilcal> That'll out perform Mageia on a i586
21:02:33 <wilcal> not from me
21:03:03 <tarazed> Are we still hoping for dual architecture tests?
21:03:04 <wilcal> on to:
21:03:06 <wilcal> #topic Security Roundup
21:03:10 <hviaene> I did not do all -tests again on bug 19751, that's why i did not OK it
21:03:11 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19751 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED , ming new security issues CVE-2016-926[4-6], CVE-2016-982[7-9], and CVE-2016-9831, ming-0.4.5-8.mga5.src.rpm
21:03:21 <DavidWHodgins> ping Luigi12
21:03:54 <hviaene> If the higher powers agree, it's OK for me
21:05:05 <wilcal> No Luigi but those bugs to validate keep a coming
21:05:06 <DavidWHodgins> Looks ok to me. While it's preferred to have full testing on both arches, clean install with minimal testing on one is ok
21:05:22 <DavidWHodgins> I'll go ahead and validate that one too
21:05:56 <DavidWHodgins> Validated
21:06:07 <wilcal> There's been another uptick in Flash and I don't think I've seen that uptick on Mageia yet
21:06:23 <lewyssmith> We shall...
21:06:48 <hviaene> overcome some day????
21:06:51 <wilcal> Flash is at: 24,0,0,221
21:07:06 <DavidWHodgins> According to https://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ we have the latest version
21:07:08 <[mbot> [ Adobe - Flash Player ]
21:07:24 <wilcal> ok the it did come through
21:07:42 <wilcal> I use FF 51.0.1 here and manually install the flash nightmare
21:07:49 <tjandrews> M6 has been bumped up. I believe M5 is still one version behind.
21:08:07 <wilcal> Ah that's where we're at sounds about right
21:08:34 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Sorry, I installed that one from adobe myself while troubleshooting the install problem
21:08:48 <DavidWHodgins> It isn't in the m5 repos yet
21:10:14 <wilcal> so we should knudge that one along
21:11:13 <DavidWHodgins> It's bug 20293
21:11:14 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20293 critical, Normal, anssi.hannula, NEW , flash-player-plugin security update 24.0.0.221, flash-player-plugin
21:11:15 <tjandrews> If Adobe runs true to form, if they move up another one Our M5 version will then fail to install.
21:11:44 <tjandrews> Our old M5 version, I mean.
21:12:26 <tjandrews> Anything more than 1 version old is archived.
21:13:46 <DavidWHodgins> That only leaves ...
21:13:53 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
21:14:09 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else from me.
21:14:14 <wilcal> Not from me. Awaiting the CI's and release of sta2 on Monday
21:14:22 <tarazed> OK here
21:14:24 <hviaene> None
21:14:26 <lewyssmith> What is the problem with Ben & Len LDAP?
21:14:31 <alfred__> nothing here
21:14:37 <krisNL> none
21:14:47 <wilcal> I'm done being a pest ;-)
21:14:54 <tarazed> Ben at least has the sshPublicKey attribute
21:15:03 <tjandrews> Despite today's colder temperatures, Spring is in the air. The time I can devote to Mageia testing will get less and less.
21:15:11 <DavidWHodgins> But still getting errors trying to access svn
21:15:34 <lewyssmith> But it is 'in progress'?
21:15:45 <tarazed> Dunno
21:15:50 <DavidWHodgins> Waiting for sysadmins to look at it
21:16:02 <lewyssmith> Hope they are.
21:16:27 <lewyssmith> Apart from that - goodbye everyone.
21:16:28 <krisNL> tj: please post more farm news on the list, its getting too technical
21:16:35 <DavidWHodgins> I'll ping them again in the sysadmin ml. If that doesn't work, open a bug report for it.
21:16:41 <DavidWHodgins> lol
21:16:53 <DavidWHodgins> Countdown time then
21:16:55 <DavidWHodgins> 5
21:16:57 <wilcal> yup
21:17:00 <DavidWHodgins> 4
21:17:03 <DavidWHodgins> 3
21:17:05 <tjandrews> Will do. But farming is technical these days, too.
21:17:05 <hviaene> G'night all
21:17:07 <DavidWHodgins> 2
21:17:09 <wilcal> nite all
21:17:10 <DavidWHodgins> 1
21:17:11 <tarazed> Cheerio
21:17:16 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone!
21:17:23 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry I was late
21:17:28 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting