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20:01:30 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal lewyssmith
20:01:30 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins lewyssmith wilcal
20:01:37 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello.
20:01:41 <tarazed> Evenin' tj
20:01:55 <DavidWHodgins> Nathangiovannini: Welcome to the qa team. You're now a member. :-)
20:02:05 <tjandrews> Made it! 3:00 snuck up on me.
20:02:12 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:03:27 <DavidWHodgins> Nathangiovannini: Please introduce yourself. I and everyone else will do the same
20:03:30 <tjandrews> Nathan's being quiet.
20:04:01 <tyil> tbh, everyone's being quiet
20:04:02 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins, from London, Ontario, Canada. Been with the team since near the beginning of Mageia
20:04:17 <DavidWHodgins> I'm 56 years old
20:04:50 <DavidWHodgins> Come on people! Don't be shy. :-)
20:04:53 <wilcal> "wilcal" for (Wil)liam in (Cal)ifornia, live near San Diego ( Surf City USA )
20:04:54 <wilcal> First official College computer class in Sept 1964, Computer Engineer 1968
20:04:59 <Nathangiovannini> Hello my name is Nathan, I have 20 years and I study computer science, live in Switzerland and I love linux
20:05:09 <rindolf> I'm Shlomi from Tel Aviv, Israel
20:05:19 <rindolf> Nathangiovannini: nice
20:05:20 <lewyssmith> I  am Lewis, a Celtic expat living in France.
20:05:22 <tyil> Patrick, from a random train, 24yo, heavy FLOSS advocate
20:05:29 <wilcal> wow what part of Switzerland?
20:05:29 <tarazed> Len Lawrence in Edinburgh Scotland - benn around since computers were invented, 78 years old.
20:06:04 * rindolf is 39 yo
20:06:25 <lewyssmith> tyil: Patrick, have we seen you before, or are you too new with us?
20:06:26 <tjandrews> My name is Tom Andrews, but I'm known here as "TJ." I'm a 67-year-old farmer in Central New York State, USA.
20:06:33 <DavidWHodgins> tyil: Is this your first qa team irc meeting too? Don't remember your nic here before. Or is it just my memory going? :-)
20:06:41 <tyil> lewyssmith: Ive been in #mageia for a year now
20:06:52 <tyil> first qa, mostly because Im interested in seeing how this goes
20:07:16 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Rarely posted here before then.
20:07:17 <wilcal> fwiw I started with Mandrake back in 98 so it's been Mandrake -> Mandriva -> Mageia for me
20:07:18 <Nathangiovannini> Ticino
20:07:44 <tyil> DavidWHodgins: I have little to talk about, I dont use mageia myself
20:07:54 <DavidWHodgins> Gotcha
20:08:08 <tyil> usually I just talk to marja if I have something to tell or ask her :p
20:08:15 <tjandrews> I've been with Mandrake/Mandriva/Mageia since 2002, started with QA to test Mageia 4.1.
20:09:11 <Benmc_> Ben, New Zealand, QA for a couple of years. Often a lurker at meetings ( made it)
20:10:33 <DavidWHodgins> As Nathangiovannini is in Switzerland, do we have anyone in the Central European timezone who would like to mentor him in testing updates and iso images?
20:10:56 <lewyssmith> I offer, as usual!
20:11:48 <DavidWHodgins> Different time zone, but if the two of you are online at similar times, that'll work
20:12:26 <wilcal> You've come to a great place to learn about linux Nathan
20:12:30 <ennael> great to see new comers, welcome Nathangiovannini
20:12:32 <Nathangiovannini> Ok
20:12:50 <DavidWHodgins> So, lewyssmith and Nathangiovannini, please exchange email messages, confirming lewyssmith will be your qa team mentor
20:13:14 <DavidWHodgins> #info lewyssmith will mentor the QA teams newest member, Nathangiovannini
20:13:45 <DavidWHodgins> Again, welcome to the qa team!
20:13:50 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 6 - New sta2 is close?
20:13:56 <lewyssmith> Nathangiovannini: It happens by e-mail as required. I will contact you.
20:14:12 <wilcal> I think we are close to new isos
20:14:37 <tjandrews> Didn't we say that LAST week?
20:14:39 <tarazed> Martin wants to know if we wait for the classics.
20:14:46 <DavidWHodgins> Just finished syncing the latest pre test x86_64 dvd here. Haven't had time to start testing it yet.
20:15:08 <wilcal> so they're in the pretest repo?
20:15:41 <DavidWHodgins> Saw that. I'd prefer that Martin goes ahead. My understanding is that he'll need to resync his copy of the repo used to build the iso images
20:15:45 <tarazed> OK, just seen that.  So Martin can release the Lives?
20:16:46 <DavidWHodgins> I'd prefer to have them built now, rather than wait till the classic iso images have been tested. If needed, they can be rebuilt again later
20:16:59 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Bill, I hope not.
20:17:24 <wilcal> we should have something for the weekend I think
20:17:30 <lewyssmith> They should go straight to normal testing STA2 repo.
20:17:41 <DavidWHodgins> My main concern with the way things are currently being handled, is ensuring the various repos are being kept in sync
20:17:54 <tjandrews> Looking with Mageiasync... Yes, 64-bit is there all by itself.
20:19:25 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: That is a red herring. They arte not kept in sybc, & do not need to be.
20:19:46 <tjandrews> In pre-testing, I mean.
20:20:07 <DavidWHodgins> I mean ensuring Martin's patches are in all iso images, with none accidentally being missed
20:20:56 <lewyssmith> tj: ISOs to test are not in both repos at a time. Once pre-tested (which id *not* routinely necessary), they are pushed to sta2 etc.
20:21:18 <DavidWHodgins> For now though, everyone please test the latest x86_64 dvd, especially the partitioning steps
20:21:37 <tjandrews> All I know is what I see. Policy isn't my thing.
20:22:22 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: I understand that. My concern is the use of private repos used to build the iso images, and ensuring both private repos have the same/all partitioning patches applied
20:22:50 <DavidWHodgins> Specifically private git trees
20:23:17 <lewyssmith> Ah. Private repos I know nothing about. Are we talking Classic v Lives?
20:24:10 <DavidWHodgins> Both. The patches are not in the main git tree. They are in a seperate branch, requiring building the packages, and then the iso images outside of the normal development methods
20:24:56 <DavidWHodgins> When they do get merged into the main tree, we should repeat all testing to ensure no patches have been missed, or applied in wrong order, etc.
20:25:29 <DavidWHodgins> It adds room for mistakes to be made. That's my concern
20:26:06 <wilcal> I like Nathan_ better :-))
20:26:26 <tjandrews> Easier to type. ;)
20:26:30 <DavidWHodgins> Anyway, we can leave that for another time. Let's move on. :-)
20:26:44 <DavidWHodgins> Testing updates - Any difficulties, problems, issues?
20:26:44 <wilcal> one more thing on M6
20:26:51 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Go ahead
20:27:08 <wilcal> There appears to be a serious problem with the nvidia driver at least here
20:27:21 <tjandrews> I have one, too, but it spans both M6 and M5.
20:27:41 <wilcal> I didn't open a new bug because there are so many already
20:27:52 <wilcal> so we need to define this with the new isos
20:27:53 <DavidWHodgins> I've seen the threads about it. My system is ati/radeon, so can't help much with that
20:27:57 <tarazed> I have seen that grub> thing a few times.  Maybe it is more to do with Thunar.
20:28:19 <wilcal> does an old bug apply or does a new one need to be generated??
20:28:22 <wilcal> I don't know
20:28:49 <DavidWHodgins> I've just skimmed the messages from today, so don't know at this point
20:28:49 <wilcal> install the nvidia driver bork the install
20:28:58 <tarazed> You really need to know the circumstances.
20:29:19 <lewyssmith> We *know* that nVidia is currently flaky; I thought nouveau worked well enough as an alternative.
20:29:27 <tarazed> Yes, I cannot remember the circumstances.
20:29:41 <tjandrews> For some, yes. For others, no.
20:29:54 <DavidWHodgins> My first guess from what I've seen is that the grub2 problem is likely a seperate issue rather then a video driver problem
20:29:56 <tarazed> nouveau works with reservations
20:29:57 <wilcal> nouveau works just fine whew
20:30:04 <wilcal> at least here
20:30:22 <DavidWHodgins> Did you check space? Is /boot seperate?
20:32:26 <DavidWHodgins> Also, is it grub2 or grub2-efi?
20:33:52 <wilcal> grub2 non-efi for me
20:34:08 <DavidWHodgins> How about space?
20:34:15 <tarazed> I have seen the problem on UEFI systems
20:34:39 <wilcal> installed to a blank 320GB drive
20:35:08 <tarazed> Space for the MBR do you mean?
20:35:34 <DavidWHodgins> Space for the grub2 menu in the / (or if applicable /boot) file system
20:35:40 <tarazed> Always just one sector is it not?
20:35:53 <wilcal> installed without nvidia and that all went well with nou then installed the nvidia driver and that borked the system
20:36:08 <tarazed> conclusive
20:36:57 <DavidWHodgins> So something went wrong during the grub install with the changes. It could either be the driver, or more likely something went wrong during the grub2 install
20:37:04 <wilcal> this all in the last couple days
20:37:23 <wilcal> install was a net install using an up to date repo
20:38:11 <DavidWHodgins> There was a new kernel pushed in the last 24 hours, so depending on when the repo was synced, it may have been in the middle of an update
20:38:19 <wilcal> i mirror from kernel.org
20:38:55 <wilcal> so i'll look see if the new isos do the same thing
20:39:01 <DavidWHodgins> Try syncing again, and repeat the test to ensure it wasn't due to the latest kernel being in the middle of being pushed
20:40:05 <wilcal> k
20:40:36 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates - Any difficulties, problems, issues?
20:41:00 <tjandrews> OK, I have one that's for both M5 and M6.
20:41:11 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: Go ahead
20:41:47 <tjandrews> Flash. The flashplayer install script currently on the repositories no longer works.
20:41:58 <wilcal> Yup for M6 installs too
20:42:10 <tjandrews> Probably because Adobe no longer offers that version for download.
20:42:22 <wilcal> back to installing manually
20:42:39 <lewyssmith> -4 That looks serious.
20:42:53 <tjandrews> Yup. Ran into it today while trying to look up a John Deere part number.
20:43:23 <wilcal> fwiw I use the very latest Firefox and download and install the flash garbage maunally
20:43:53 <lewyssmith> From the Adobe site?
20:43:57 <wilcal> yes
20:44:06 <lewyssmith> Thanks.
20:44:06 <wilcal> present ff is 51.0.1
20:44:31 <wilcal> that thing's a mess
20:44:35 <tjandrews> I downloaded from Adobe for the longest time, but took to using ours because I was testing it.
20:44:59 <wilcal> I always use our own ff and flash when I need it in testing
20:45:15 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch. Adobe has really messed this up again!
20:45:31 <tjandrews> I quit using Mozilla's FF a while back. It kept breaking things.
20:46:11 <wilcal> I think by end of this year Mozilla will ban flash
20:46:35 <DavidWHodgins> The sooner the better
20:46:45 <lewyssmith> If you are not wary of Google (I am), try Vivaldi. We may have to take that on board Mageia.
20:46:57 <tjandrews> Unless I want to look up a John Deere part number...
20:48:25 <lewyssmith> Anyway, back to updates?
20:49:07 <tjandrews> Well anyway, we need to expedite the upgrade. Old installs are OK yet. New installs won't work.
20:49:26 <DavidWHodgins> quagga, bug 20271 we've had before, and it has a procedure in the old bug reports
20:49:27 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20271 major, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , quagga new security issue CVE-2017-5495, quagga-0.99.22.4-4.3.mga5.src.rpm
20:50:43 <DavidWHodgins> mariadb, bug 20139, I've just added the feeback marker to
20:50:45 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20139 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , mariadb 10.0.29, mariadb-10.0.28-1.mga5.src.rpm
20:51:07 <wilcal> where are we with mariadb?
20:51:13 <wilcal> is it ready again
20:51:26 <wilcal> ready for retest
20:51:50 <wilcal> it tests easy if it works
20:52:15 <DavidWHodgins> No bug 20139#c14
20:52:41 <DavidWHodgins> That comment hasn't been responded to yet.
20:53:02 <DavidWHodgins> I've proposed a patch, but waiting for feedback
20:53:15 <wilcal> k
20:53:56 <wilcal> ahhh it's gray'd out on the list now
20:53:59 <DavidWHodgins> The other's were all there last week. We just need to get moving on them. :-)
20:54:20 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Yep. Just added the feeback whiteboard entry a couple of minutes ago
20:54:41 <wilcal> "spice" is not what I thought it was. :-(
20:54:59 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone have any questions or comments about the bugs waiting for testing?
20:55:07 <wilcal> spice is an old circuit emulator program i used decades ago
20:55:19 <wilcal> lots of "ok" s there
20:55:55 <DavidWHodgins> I'll go through them, and either test on the other arch, or go ahead and validate, after the meeting
20:56:13 <wilcal> :-))
20:56:14 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12: Available for roundup?
20:56:49 <DavidWHodgins> Doesn't look like it, so I'll skip the roundup.
20:57:04 <DavidWHodgins> That only leaves ...
20:57:09 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:57:21 <lewyssmith> Not here.
20:57:24 <wilcal> Not from me
20:57:29 <DavidWHodgins> So does anyone have any other questions or comments?
20:57:29 <wilcal> waiting isos
20:57:48 <DavidWHodgins> Countdown time then
20:57:50 <DavidWHodgins> T - 5
20:57:54 <DavidWHodgins> 4
20:57:57 <DavidWHodgins> 3
20:57:59 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone.
20:58:01 <DavidWHodgins> 2
20:58:01 <wilcal> bye alkl
20:58:03 <wilcal> all
20:58:04 <DavidWHodgins> 1
20:58:29 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone. Keep on the updates, and good luck with testing the new iso images. :-)
20:58:35 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting