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20:01:44 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal lewyssmith
20:01:44 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins lewyssmith wilcal
20:01:54 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new?
20:01:55 <wilcal> Daves a take charge guy
20:02:12 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who hasn't been to an irc qa team meeting before?
20:02:33 <DavidWHodgins> Doesn't look like it
20:02:43 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Team elections
20:03:02 <DavidWHodgins> It's time for the qa team to elect leaders again
20:03:29 <DavidWHodgins> As per MrsB's msg to the discuss mailing list, she is not standing for election this time
20:04:21 <wilcal> Bless her. Hopefully she can participate in some way
20:04:22 <DavidWHodgins> #info The whole qa team thanks Claire for her great leadership  of the team, since the first elections of qa team leaders
20:04:47 <lewyssmith> This time, Dave, like we used to do in the past (if not last time), we should allow people to suggest others - who can always refuse.
20:05:28 <DavidWHodgins> I think it's better for those who would like to volunteer for the leadership to do so on the discuss mailing list, as not everyone can participate in the irc meetings
20:06:02 <DavidWHodgins> I will be putting myself forward for either leader, or continuing as deputy leader
20:06:22 <DavidWHodgins> Things have been improving for me, so I expect to be able to start putting in more time again
20:06:35 <lewyssmith> I would like to see a different slant, whereby the leading team are all equal, perhaps doing different bits. No leader/deputy business.
20:06:47 <DavidWHodgins> I agree with people volunteering others, who can refuse
20:07:27 <DavidWHodgins> We've always operated as equals. The only time it makes a difference is in council votes, where the leader can override deputies
20:07:39 <DavidWHodgins> That has never actually happened though
20:07:40 <wilcal> Your the man David
20:08:03 <DavidWHodgins> Even when we've disagreed, both votes have been put forward to the council
20:08:53 <DavidWHodgins> The council has previously allowed the qa team to have one leader and two deputies, as members of the council
20:09:25 <DavidWHodgins> Internally the qa team can use what ever structure we agree on, but for council, we have to stick to what they've agreed to.
20:09:26 <lewyssmith> Who has a council vote can be agreed among the team; I am not interested in that, Bill is I think. Just limit it to say 2 *at any one time*.
20:10:07 <DavidWHodgins> That's ok with me
20:10:18 <lewyssmith> It's flexible.
20:10:35 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Would you like to take over as leader, or stay as a deputy?
20:10:56 <DavidWHodgins> Same question for  you wilcal
20:11:19 <lewyssmith> Let us leave this to the mailList.
20:11:22 <wilcal> I am going to stay a deputy I like the badge
20:11:27 <wilcal> :-)
20:11:32 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Ok
20:11:52 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Bill, you declined even that before!
20:12:10 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Ok, thanks. As above though, we should all put our names and reasons in posts to the the discuss mailing list
20:12:28 <wilcal> FWIW I've enjoyed representing QA on the Council
20:13:03 <lewyssmith> That is good no know.
20:13:07 <DavidWHodgins> #info Anyone interested in the leadership (leader or deputy) please post a msg to the discuss mailing list, stating your interest and reasons
20:13:39 <lewyssmith> Not excluding suggesting third parties.
20:14:13 <DavidWHodgins> #info Feel free to nominate others too, who may refuse to stand for election, if they prefer
20:14:59 <DavidWHodgins> I'll have to go over prior council meeting logs, to see if I was correct about two deputies on the council. It may only be one. I'm not sure
20:15:23 <lewyssmith> Two people seems plenty.
20:15:35 <DavidWHodgins> Let's leave the rest of the discussion for the ml, and keep the meeting moving
20:15:41 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Magiea 6
20:15:53 <DavidWHodgins> ping ennael
20:16:13 <lewyssmith> It is all held up by the partitioning bug(s).
20:16:16 <DavidWHodgins> Any idea when iso images will be available with partitioning fixes?
20:16:22 <wilcal> Yup just that one issue
20:16:24 <ennael> hi there not sure my cxion willbe ok
20:16:28 <ennael> in a car with 3G
20:16:33 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch
20:16:52 <wilcal> This is FOSDEM weekend
20:17:00 <ennael> yep :)
20:17:10 <ennael> going also to a git conference before
20:17:18 <wilcal> Good Belgium beer :-))
20:17:22 <ennael> :)
20:17:38 <lewyssmith> Martin is poised to go for the 4 Lives, having already done a trial run.
20:17:54 <DavidWHodgins> What's Martin's irc id?
20:18:15 <lewyssmith> I do not think he is here; it does not matter.
20:18:38 <ennael> I need to check stage2 oackage
20:20:18 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: Can you check on the progress of getting new iso images with the partitioning fixed, and send a status msg to the qa discuss mailing list?
20:22:25 <brian___> Anyone else run into issue in m6 with Plasma Updates Available icon not triggering when we click it?
20:22:57 <brian___> :ennael is probably swerving around a deer right now
20:23:15 <DavidWHodgins> I haven't, but I haven't been doing much m6 testing, as waiting for the partitioning fix
20:23:19 <lewyssmith> That would not stop STA2 going out, would it?
20:23:34 <wilcal> No it would not
20:23:40 <lewyssmith> Agree.
20:23:45 <wilcal> the network applet still does not work
20:23:47 <brian___> agreed
20:23:51 <tjandrews> Brian: I've seen it. Same thing for the net applet.
20:24:11 <DavidWHodgins> I strongly think sta2 should not go out till the partitioning bug is fixed. No other bugs are severe enough to block sta2, even if they would be blockers for final.
20:24:14 <brian___> that and the freezing in Chromium/Plasma
20:24:28 <ennael> sorry back
20:24:35 <brian___> I flipped to Xfce and also Gnome and Cinnamon - they all are very stable
20:24:41 <wilcal> For some unmentioned reason the VLC and Amarok apps are not working in Plasma. They suddenly just started working again
20:24:48 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: Can you check on the progress of getting new iso images with the partitioning fixed, and send a status msg to the qa discuss mailing list?
20:24:49 <wilcal> now working
20:25:12 <brian___> I lost sound with gstreamer updates in m6, but latest seem to work fine
20:25:25 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Bill: Don't look a gift horse in the mouth...
20:25:26 <brian___> I credit that to being cauldron
20:25:33 <ennael> DavidWHodgins: yep
20:25:50 <tjandrews> wilcal: I never noticed any problems with vlc in Plasma, but then I haven't played a LOT of videos with M6.
20:26:03 <DavidWHodgins> #info ennael to send a status msg regarding Mageia 6 iso's to the qa discuss mailing list
20:26:12 <wilcal> the problem with VLC in Plasma was only on nvidia systems
20:26:26 <wilcal> The Amarok thingy was universal
20:26:53 <DavidWHodgins> Let's keep the meeting moving, and leave the indivdual application problems to bugzilla and the mailing list
20:26:54 <tjandrews> I use nvidia, but it's the 340 driver. Perhaps only nvidia-current was the problem.
20:27:03 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Testing updates
20:27:34 <DavidWHodgins> I'll spend some time after the meeting geting the rest of the advisories into svn
20:28:27 <lewyssmith> I will send out a plea tomorrow morning for the easy or generic ones. If they do not get double OK'd, I will clear them out anyway.
20:28:38 <DavidWHodgins> openssl is pretty easy to test. Just look at the old bugzilla entries for procedures
20:28:59 <tarazed> I'll do that.  Did it once before.
20:29:11 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: I have done most Advisories, except for thos with no OK at all.
20:29:23 <tjandrews> Kernel is good here. No problems reported on the bug yet, are there?
20:29:29 <lewyssmith> tarazed: Welcom, Len.
20:29:59 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, I can see the asterisk. I'll also work on the advisories for those without an ok yet
20:30:39 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: Thanks for doing Thunderbird.
20:30:52 <DavidWHodgins> For openssl, it has to be tested on both client and server applications
20:31:28 <DavidWHodgins> Easy for most people to test the client part. The server part, just requires something like using https on localhost
20:31:30 <tarazed> Yes - I think I remember doing that
20:31:59 <DavidWHodgins> I haven't checked the bugzilla entries to see if there should be ok's added based on testing already done
20:32:01 <tjandrews> Lewyssmith: No problem. I use it every day.
20:32:23 <DavidWHodgins> So it's just a matter of adding the ok
20:32:57 <lewyssmith> Immediate prompt (another to follow): Java & PHP are *easy*.
20:33:37 <DavidWHodgins> I don't remember having tested irssi-otr before. As an instant messeging server, shouldn't be too hard
20:33:55 <tjandrews> I can do a quick check of T-bird on 32-bit if needed.
20:34:06 <DavidWHodgins> If testing on a single computer, likely requires using a vb guest and the server, to test it
20:34:11 <lewyssmith> That would be good. Validate it if happy.
20:34:20 <lewyssmith> that was to TJ.
20:35:09 <DavidWHodgins> icotools is easy too, if you have access to some windows icons/cursor files
20:35:52 <lewyssmith> The first tester ran into trouble with it.
20:36:50 <DavidWHodgins> I'll review it after the meeting. May need the feedback tag
20:37:58 <DavidWHodgins> Using the various programs in gd-utils is easy, for testing the libgd update
20:39:33 <DavidWHodgins> Looking at audacious-plugins, I think just testing the various plugins will have to be enough, rather then specifically testing the fix
20:40:27 <DavidWHodgins> kernel update always requires testing on multiple systems, before oking
20:40:53 <DavidWHodgins> The rest all look fairly easy
20:41:00 <wilcal> That's my task for this weekend, kernel testing
20:41:04 <DavidWHodgins> Any questions about any of the updates
20:41:30 <tjandrews> Maybe we should put the word out on the mailing list that we need kernel testers.
20:41:35 <wilcal> I build a realy hardware system from the ground up including Vbox
20:41:52 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: ?
20:42:04 <DavidWHodgins> New hardware system?
20:42:13 <wilcal> I start with a blank drive and install M5 KDE
20:42:30 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: I will do that tomorrow.
20:42:35 <wilcal> then when that's working I install Vbox and a couple clients
20:42:53 <wilcal> then install the kernel update then add another client at least
20:43:01 <DavidWHodgins> Good. kernels have to be tested both on hosts, and vb guests
20:43:04 <wilcal> takes about 4-hours
20:43:09 <lewyssmith> !
20:43:51 <DavidWHodgins> Rather then install from scratch, I use snapshots in vb, and tested backup/restore on real hardware
20:44:02 <tjandrews> wilcal: I always just update from whatever is current at the time. I think that's what most users will do.
20:44:16 <lewyssmith> Agree.
20:44:19 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed.
20:45:01 <DavidWHodgins> I start the backup/snapshot, install any updates, save those, then enable the testing repos and test the updates
20:45:45 <DavidWHodgins> I need to clean up my host hard drive though. Still have m3 and m4 installs, with all kernels, which makes grub2 install tests really messy
20:45:52 <wilcal> tj: I go through the whole process just like a brand new user would experience
20:46:34 <wilcal> I also have three systems here with modular hard drive systems and a dozen drives on removable trays
20:46:39 <DavidWHodgins> It is good to test things like updating the kernel from a brand new install
20:47:13 <tjandrews> Both ways are valid, IMO.
20:47:24 <tarazed> D'accord
20:47:34 <DavidWHodgins> Not something I considered. Thanks for reminding me that new users, updating from a new mageia 5.1 dvd install have to do
20:47:57 <DavidWHodgins> Something I'd forgotten. :-)
20:48:24 <DavidWHodgins> Doesn't look like Luigi12 is around, so skipping the roundup
20:48:32 <DavidWHodgins> That only leaves ...
20:48:38 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
20:48:45 <wilcal> Not from me
20:48:50 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else from me
20:48:52 <wilcal> Awaiting isos
20:49:17 <lewyssmith> Nothing here.
20:49:36 <DavidWHodgins> #info I'll post a message to the qa discuss mailing list about the elections, nominations, etc.
20:49:43 <tjandrews> Nothing now. I reserve the right to bring stuff up after we release the sta2 isos.
20:49:45 <DavidWHodgins> #undo
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20:49:51 <DavidWHodgins> #action I'll post a message to the qa discuss mailing list about the elections, nominations, etc.
20:49:55 <wilcal> Quick efficient meeting
20:50:16 <DavidWHodgins> Countdown time. :-)
20:50:20 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5
20:50:22 <wilcal> bye all
20:50:23 <DavidWHodgins> 4
20:50:26 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone, & thank you for coming.
20:50:28 <DavidWHodgins> 3
20:50:31 <DavidWHodgins> 2
20:50:35 <DavidWHodgins> 1
20:50:37 <tarazed> Goodnight folks
20:50:50 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone!
20:50:54 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting