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20:05:46 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
20:05:46 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
20:06:01 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:06:32 <lewyssmith> If anyone here is new to QA, please speak up.
20:07:03 <wilcal> no one new?
20:07:06 <lewyssmith> Looks like not.
20:07:14 <lewyssmith> Hello Brian.
20:07:14 <brian__> Hi
20:07:30 <brian__> Hello
20:07:41 <rindolf> brian__: hi
20:07:45 <lewyssmith> Move on?
20:08:07 <wilcal> #topic M6 Mageia 6 - The new sta2 ISO's hold up.
20:08:30 <lewyssmith> Just the boot partition problem?
20:08:37 <wilcal> Well we're down to maybe just one issue to release M6 sta2
20:08:51 <wilcal> ya but is it multiple bugs or one
20:09:06 <lewyssmith> It was nice to see such wide agreement about it.
20:09:11 <wilcal> did everyone see martin's post to the qa mailing list
20:09:26 <wilcal> that was about 2-hours ago
20:09:27 <lewyssmith> Have not looked this evening.
20:09:50 <wilcal> it's a rather long and detailed description of the problem(s)
20:10:07 <wilcal> but no conclusion as to how to fix it
20:10:48 <wilcal> there is very strong feelings that sta2 should be held until this is fixed
20:11:02 <lewyssmith> We are largely agreed.
20:12:49 <wilcal> IMO because it does not effect installs to blank drives we should release sta2 so that other things can be looked at
20:13:20 <lewyssmith> M6 otherwise looking good, if many small flaws.
20:13:47 <wilcal> I've never seen the problem on Vbox client installs
20:13:53 <wilcal> Hi ya tj
20:14:09 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Bill, not many people have spare blank drives.
20:14:19 <tjandrews> Hi. Sorry I'm late. I forgot to watch the clock.
20:14:24 <wilcal> I've got a dozen or so :-)
20:14:31 <wilcal> no prob tj
20:14:58 <lewyssmith> -2 Yes, you do. But most people- no.
20:15:04 <wilcal> can anyone share if they see any kind of clear path to solving this issue(s)
20:15:29 <lewyssmith> I am almost tempted to look at the code!
20:15:52 <wilcal> so a little bit of a predictament here
20:16:37 <rindolf> tjandrews: hi
20:16:39 <wilcal> to release or not to release
20:16:54 <wilcal> and no specific path to solve the problem
20:16:55 <tjandrews> Are you talking about the partitioning bug? (The late guy wants to know.)
20:17:00 <wilcal> yes
20:17:03 <wilcal> big time
20:17:25 <lewyssmith> Not until it is fixed. We cannot knowingly possibly trash people's dics.
20:17:34 <lewyssmith> discs.
20:17:39 <wilcal> executive decision here would be to force the issue
20:17:39 <lewyssmith> !
20:17:56 <wilcal> problem is not with new installs to blank drives or Vbox clients
20:18:52 <wilcal> so at this point you would set a date to get it fixed on or before and if not fixed release the sta2 with a heavy warning about the issue
20:19:00 <tjandrews> I haven't seen it yet - existing partitions on MBR drives
20:19:21 <wilcal> martin posted a very good explaination to the qa mailing list
20:19:31 <wilcal> I can post it here for the record
20:19:47 <lewyssmith> Better not; too big I suspect.
20:21:01 <wilcal> it is very big, do read it as it is very informative
20:21:04 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry I'm late
20:21:09 <lewyssmith> Welcome back, Dave.
20:21:10 <wilcal> Hellow david
20:21:14 <wilcal> nice
20:21:32 <tjandrews> HAH! Somebody who is later than I was!
20:21:32 <DavidWHodgins> I strongly disagree with releasing sta2 till partitioning bugs are fixed
20:21:43 <wilcal> David did you read martins explaination of the partitioning problem posted to the qa mailing list
20:21:49 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
20:22:03 <wilcal> good and you oppose release under any conditions
20:22:27 <DavidWHodgins> Till we figure out how to fix the problems, I consider those bugs to be sta2 release blockers
20:22:42 <wilcal> and if we are still working it in July
20:23:04 <DavidWHodgins> If it means holding out release till December, we hold it.
20:23:09 <lewyssmith> We can concentrate on updates...
20:23:20 <wilcal> so anyone else agree with that?
20:23:29 <DavidWHodgins> Partitioning is too sensitive. Any problems there are critical, in my opinion
20:23:41 <wilcal> we need a concensus here for me to carry into the Council meeting
20:23:58 <lewyssmith> I suspect you are the main 'let it out' protagonist, Bill. The rest of use say 'hold it'.
20:24:04 <DavidWHodgins> qa testers are used to partitioning a lot. Most people rarely do it, and are somewhat afraid to begin with
20:24:10 <wilcal> does everyone agree with David ( except me :-)  ))
20:24:23 * marja agrees fully with DavidWHodgins
20:24:30 <lewyssmith> I agree to sort it before release of STA2.
20:24:32 <wilcal> thks marja
20:24:46 <marja> wilcal: yw
20:24:55 <wilcal> all agree except me then I think
20:24:58 <ennael> (sorry in conf call to prepare FOSDEM talk)
20:25:02 <tjandrews> I agree with Dave. I had a problem once with partitions that I thought was Mandriva, many years ago. It was very frightening. Sent me to Fedora.
20:25:07 <wilcal> no problem
20:25:08 <lewyssmith> marja: Hello marja. Long time no see.
20:25:40 <wilcal> ennael I think we have a concensus here that M6 sta2 should be held until the partitioning issue is resolved
20:25:41 <marja> lewyssmith: yeah, I wish I'd join your meetings more often
20:25:50 <ennael> ok :)
20:25:56 <wilcal> regardless of how long that takes
20:26:02 <DavidWHodgins> marja: You're part of qa, like it or not. :-)
20:26:11 <marja> DavidWHodgins: :-)
20:26:29 <wilcal> you can always do an install using boot.iso but no other isos till it's fixed
20:26:36 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: I'd rather rebuild the installer to use gparted than release with any partitioning bugs
20:26:41 <wilcal> that is the position i will take into the council meetings
20:26:47 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Bill, I think you are being too pessimistic re resolution.
20:27:07 <wilcal> i hope so lets have someone find me wrong
20:27:28 <lewyssmith> And let'smove on.
20:27:34 <wilcal> we are dealing with this issue extremely well. Nice team
20:28:00 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
20:28:10 <marja> wilcal: the bug can also hit you when using boot.iso, btw
20:28:22 <wilcal> ugly thing it is
20:28:58 <wilcal> so I stumbled a little on the mariadb thing and many thanks to David for rescuing me there
20:29:06 <wilcal> probs there I think
20:29:07 <marja> :-)
20:29:27 <marja> my smile was for the help you received
20:29:33 <marja> not for the problems
20:29:42 <lewyssmith> The updates list is too long. I may let things out with just 1 OK, but several are easy to add the second.
20:30:02 <lewyssmith> I will post a prompt tomorrow.
20:30:43 <wilcal> that's fine i think
20:30:46 <DavidWHodgins> 1 ok is fine unless it's hardware dependent like the kernel
20:31:02 <DavidWHodgins> Specifically cpu dependent
20:31:04 <lewyssmith> Dave, we do 2 if we can.
20:31:27 <DavidWHodgins> That's fine, but I see no problem with one, when ever the list gets large
20:31:49 <tjandrews> I think you could probably let the nvidia-current update go. No "OKs" in the whiteboard but two 64-bit tests.
20:31:51 <wilcal> no takers on the nagios thing I see
20:32:09 <tjandrews> It isn't looking like any more testers are likely to appear.
20:32:21 <wilcal> ok in the 64-bit test carries a lot of weight
20:32:49 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: I think the nvidia-current one has disappeared.
20:33:31 <wilcal> no isos this weekend so I should have some time to look at some of these
20:33:32 <DavidWHodgins> That's bug 19994
20:33:33 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19994 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: nvidia-current-375.26-1.mga5.nonfree, nvidia-current
20:33:37 <tjandrews> Nope. Still there. fourth or fifth on the list.
20:33:43 <wilcal> tmb tells us that kernels are coming
20:33:49 <DavidWHodgins> I only have ati/raedon video cards
20:34:04 <lewyssmith> BTW 5/7 64-bit OKs are just me...
20:34:23 <wilcal> question: how can I turn off the nvidia driver then turn it back on
20:34:38 <DavidWHodgins> Should be able to do it with XFdrake
20:34:52 <tjandrews> Len Lawrence and wilcal have tested. Do we have anybody else?
20:35:09 <wilcal> i think it
20:35:17 <wilcal> it's ok
20:35:38 <wilcal> does not seem to effect Vbox
20:37:11 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: :Many 32-bit OKs are Herman...
20:37:17 <wilcal> i can look at phpmyadmin
20:37:37 <lewyssmith> I can look at both PHP things tomorrow.
20:38:08 <tjandrews> Lewyssmith: I don't think Herman has the required nvidia hardware.
20:38:26 <lewyssmith> Not for the nvidia thing; I meant globally.
20:38:35 <tjandrews> Oh.
20:39:22 <DavidWHodgins> Keep in mind, anything that we don't have hardware to test with, can be validated based on the update installing cleanly. That's been the procedure used since Mageia started
20:40:08 <wilcal> yup
20:40:12 <lewyssmith> Len has done the nvidia thing; don't know why he missed the OK. That can go then; Thomas wants it out.
20:40:49 <lewyssmith> I will do the Advisory tomorrow to get rid of it.
20:41:47 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Can you install (say) the nvidia thing with no nvidia ?
20:42:08 <wilcal> that's a good question :-))
20:42:14 <wilcal> I donno
20:42:17 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, just for the point of testing that it can be installed, and then the updated installed cleanly
20:42:33 <DavidWHodgins> Having it installed will not make the system try to use it
20:42:54 <DavidWHodgins> That's why live isos can have both ati and nvidea
20:43:01 <lewyssmith> OK. But redundant now.
20:45:54 <lewyssmith> The nagios bug has grounded with 2 testers. That is why it is stuck.
20:46:16 <wilcal> so no movement on that one
20:48:04 <brian__> nagios spins up.  I'm tempted to okay it with the fact that we can get the services working
20:48:29 <brian__> and it doesn't seem to have any interest
20:49:05 <wilcal> ya may be it installs/updates without errors candidate
20:49:36 <lewyssmith> brian__: Thanks for your work on it. You OK it, I will shove it.
20:50:24 <wilcal> anything else here
20:50:52 <lewyssmith> I have a busy morning tomorrow to housekeep updates!
20:51:24 <wilcal> so no new isos we should be able to work the list down a little
20:51:35 <wilcal> lets move on
20:51:36 <wilcal> #topic Security Roundup
20:51:48 <lewyssmith> Why not a lot?
20:51:49 <wilcal> speaks for itself they keep coming
20:51:56 <Benmc> (Hi- made it)
20:52:01 <wilcal> Hi ya Ben
20:52:02 <lewyssmith> Helo Ben.
20:52:06 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa
20:52:16 <tjandrews> Hi, Ben.
20:52:47 <lewyssmith> ping Luigi12
20:53:33 <lewyssmith> Doubt that he is around. No 'Boo'.
20:54:24 <lewyssmith> -> Bill, please.
20:55:44 <lewyssmith> #Topic Anything else?
20:55:52 <DavidWHodgins> We should probably drop the roundup from future qa meetings
20:56:04 <lewyssmith> [In Bill's temporary absence]
20:56:49 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Agree; the idea was to give David a chance to say something *if* he is around.
20:57:05 <lewyssmith> Repeat: Anyhting else?
20:57:08 <wilcal> # /nick wilcal
20:57:11 <wilcal> back
20:57:14 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here
20:57:33 <wilcal> so we settled the partitioning thing nicely
20:57:51 <wilcal> I'll carry that message into the next council meeting
20:58:02 <wilcal> nothing else for me
20:58:02 <DavidWHodgins> I'll try to be there too. :-)
20:58:10 <wilcal> thanks David
20:58:11 <lewyssmith> Thanks for coming, Dave; and to Bill for his customary stalwart chairing.
20:58:34 <wilcal> got back in time for the count down
20:58:38 <wilcal> T-5
20:58:46 <wilcal> T-4
20:58:51 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone one.
20:58:51 <wilcal> T-3
20:58:55 <wilcal> bye all
20:58:58 <wilcal> T-2
20:59:03 <wilcal> T-1
20:59:05 <wilcal> #endmeeting