20:02:31 <wilcal> #startmeeting 20:02:31 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu Jan 19 20:02:31 2017 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:02:31 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:02:43 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 20:03:33 <wilcal> Anyone new here 20:03:44 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith 20:03:44 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal 20:04:06 <lewyssmith> Is there anyboduy here who has not been to a QA IRC session before? If so, please announce yourself. 20:04:13 <wilcal> I don't see anyone new 20:04:51 <wilcal> lets move on 20:04:53 <wilcal> #topic M6 New sta2 ISO's to be released shortly? 20:05:14 <wilcal> so we should see some new CI's shortly and maybe some Live media 20:05:31 <lewyssmith> Remember I am in the dark since last week, so cannot comment much. 20:05:37 <wilcal> should be close enough to release it widely 20:05:50 <wilcal> still warts in there but for the most part is functional 20:06:05 <lewyssmith> What about those major bugs? 20:06:31 <ennael> so I've just built new isos here 20:06:43 <ennael> it includes a fix for the partition step 20:06:53 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15527 20:06:55 <[mbot> Bug 15527: normal, release_blocker, bugsquad, RESOLVED MOVED, [Tracker] Mageia 6 release critical 20:06:59 <ennael> I guess the last nasty bug for sta2 20:07:22 <wilcal> please explain the partition situation for everyone 20:07:31 <brian___> sorry I'm late 20:07:36 <wilcal> hi ya brian 20:07:57 <brian___> wilcal: hi 20:08:48 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19935 20:08:49 <[mbot> Bug 19935: critical, release_blocker, mageiatools, NEW , Custom disk partitioning requests BIOS boot partition on non-GPT disk, drakxtools 20:08:54 <ennael> sorry I was looking for it 20:09:19 <wilcal> It only occurs during custom disk partitioning right? 20:09:30 <ennael> yep 20:09:53 <ennael> so stage2 and drakxtools have been fixed yesterday evening 20:10:02 <wilcal> That would be a release blocker but we could try and fix it on this next set of isos 20:10:14 <ennael> it should be fixed 20:10:21 <ennael> just need to check it is really :) 20:10:42 <ennael> I'm checking the isos to see if there is no big pb and release it 20:10:47 <wilcal> so we should get it in lots of peoples hands 20:10:49 <ennael> should I ask pre test? 20:10:54 <wilcal> no 20:11:02 <ennael> ok so QA directlry 20:11:03 <wilcal> we're done with the pretest stuff 20:11:06 <ennael> ok 20:11:11 <lewyssmith> not if it works; it did last time 20:11:29 <wilcal> it all installs in normal mode 20:11:30 <lewyssmith> wilcal: For thie 'release' only, please. 20:11:46 <lewyssmith> -5 20:12:23 <wilcal> there are some issues in M6 that are hardware specific like nvidia systems 20:12:43 <wilcal> the thing with vlc is one example 20:12:49 <wilcal> need wider testing 20:12:51 <brian___> yes - seems focused on plasma for some reason 20:13:05 <brian___> I'm on Xfce right now - all is good (nvidia 304) 20:13:10 <brian___> x86 20:13:13 <tjandrews> And not even all nvidia systems for some bugs. 20:13:14 <brian___> i586 was broken 20:13:16 <wilcal> does not occur in Vbox 20:13:37 <wilcal> more and more my bugs are app specific 20:13:44 <wilcal> not system problems 20:14:07 <wilcal> no more "Good Luck"s 20:14:23 <brian___> yes true 20:14:38 <lewyssmith> But we *need* to sort all nVidia 304/340 problems. 20:15:08 <wilcal> old hardware difficult to reproduce widely 20:15:23 <tjandrews> The 304/340 problem with the M6 installer only seems to be with the server kernels. 20:15:43 <lewyssmith> I did not know that. 20:15:45 <wilcal> how many folks are seeing it 20:16:01 <tjandrews> I dunno. We seem to be able to filed more 304/340 testers than nvidia-current testers. 20:16:34 <tjandrews> Everybody who is reporting it so far has seen it with the server kernel. 20:17:06 <wilcal> does the install work with the fall back driver? 20:17:07 <lewyssmith> Since that is minority, it is good news. 20:17:22 <wilcal> i think it does 20:17:36 <tjandrews> The CI always picks the server kernel for me because my BIOS reports that I have ECC memory when I don't. 20:18:01 <tmb> thats because dkms will detect the desktop586 kernel the installer is running on through 'uname -r' and build a mis-matched kmod for the server kernel 20:18:04 <brian___> hmm - I'll have to try the install again and see if I get server kernel 20:18:09 <tjandrews> Yes, I can install without 340, then add it later. 20:18:13 <brian___> on i586 20:18:38 <wilcal> maybe a candidate to be continued to be worked on after release? 20:18:40 <brian___> that may explain the unique i586'ish issue 20:18:50 <tmb> just stick in errata that use free driver during install, and only after booting the installed system configure it to use proprietary driver 20:18:57 <wilcal> if the nouveau driver works 20:19:29 <brian___> I thought I tried that and garbage/lockage 20:19:35 <wilcal> i agree tmb 20:19:37 <brian___> 304 driver person 20:19:48 <brian___> np 20:20:11 <wilcal> so the nouveau does not work on your test system brian? 20:20:17 <tmb> the other workaround is to use modesetting or vesa driver for first boot 20:20:47 <brian___> no on 304/i586 it doesn't work. 20:20:52 <tjandrews> My nvidia M6 system is x86_64. 20:20:54 <wilcal> so maybe a 100% works every time workaround in errata 20:20:57 <brian___> meaning a 6xxx series nvidia 20:23:56 <brian___> x86_64 I was able to get working. The server kernel sounds legit 20:23:56 <wilcal> fwiw council is ageeable to xfce 32&64 bit live media with final decision on 64-bit pending 20:24:10 <brian___> I had to switch to Xfce 20:24:20 <wilcal> no Plasma or Gnome 32-bit live media 20:24:37 <brian___> as heavy as they are now, I agree 20:24:46 <wilcal> a very good positioning i think 20:25:08 <lewyssmith> That might encourage more people to try the Classic - our star. 20:25:17 <wilcal> IMO on 32-bit xfce but lots of people like 64-bit xfce 20:26:13 <wilcal> Martin says generating both xfce isos is easy 20:26:51 <wilcal> 304/340 decision may be a Council decision 20:27:35 <lewyssmith> What decision? 20:27:37 <wilcal> IMO gotta have a 100% reliable workaround though 20:27:45 <wilcal> fix after or before release 20:27:59 <lewyssmith> After STA2, but before final. 20:28:14 <wilcal> I can agree with that 20:29:02 <tjandrews> Sounds good to me. We do appear to be zeroing in on the root cause. 20:29:20 <wilcal> so we await new isos. Anything else on M6? 20:29:27 <tjandrews> That's 3/4 of the battle. 20:29:48 <wilcal> FWIW I can 20:30:19 <wilcal> can't believe KDE decided on those default power/logout/reboot icons 20:30:34 <wilcal> easy to change but IMO bad decision live with it 20:30:58 <lewyssmith> There is a lot about KDE/Plasma that makes most of us wonder. 20:31:08 <wilcal> not worth the battle 20:31:26 <wilcal> onward 20:31:27 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports 20:32:07 <tjandrews> I noticed one of the updates last week switched my icons from oxygen to breeze. I had to put them back mself. 20:32:23 <tjandrews> Oops. Sorry. 20:32:34 <brian___> I guess it thought it was a breeze ;-) 20:33:01 <wilcal> i see mariadb in the updates I should be able to get to that in the next couple days 20:33:39 <wilcal> anybody know anything about nagios 20:33:41 <tjandrews> I tried to solicit help for nvidia-current, with little success. 20:34:08 <lewyssmith> What is different about that from 304/340? 20:34:10 <wilcal> i can work that in 64-bit but not 32-bit 20:34:32 <tjandrews> lewysmith: different bug. 20:34:43 <lewyssmith> Otherwise? 20:34:56 <tjandrews> No idea. 20:35:03 <wilcal> fwiw I always start with a new hardware install to test nvidia-current 20:35:21 <wilcal> so it all takes a couple hours to get through the whole process 20:35:33 <lewyssmith> Can we say that anyone who tried the 304/340 bug can equally try this one? 20:35:51 <tjandrews> No. Needs different hardware. 20:35:52 <tmb> nvidia-current was put as separate bug as it also updated to newer long lived branch, and also adding support for gtx 10xx series 20:36:15 <lewyssmith> Do we just appeal to all nvidia users? 20:36:21 <wilcal> ya different hardware and about 10-years old hardware at that I think 20:36:29 <brian___> oh the 375 one 20:36:57 <tmb> so a "bigger" version bump, but it has been running a long time in cauldron now without issues, so I dont expect issues on mga5 either 20:37:05 <tjandrews> But newer than 340/304 hardware. 20:37:05 <brian___> no hardware to support that on my end 20:37:52 <wilcal> so the 304/340 thingy is working fine on M6? 20:38:31 <tjandrews> Once you get it installed, yes on mine. 20:38:38 <tmb> well, eventually we have to push it... if people cant be bothered to help testing, they cant really complain after 20:39:35 <brian___> true 20:40:01 <lewyssmith> I will make another appeal ASAP. 20:40:02 <wilcal> agreed tmb 20:41:04 <lewyssmith> Give it to the weekend. 20:41:16 <wilcal> I'm afraid to test Flightgear. Last time I did that I get addicted and burned hours/days of wasted time :-(( 20:42:13 <wilcal> Also IMO that's a 64-bit only app 20:42:28 <wilcal> anything else here 20:42:33 <lewyssmith> I thought we had just pushed an update for that. Is ther another? 20:42:53 <wilcal> backport 20:43:09 <lewyssmith> Ah. And 64-bit per se suffices not. 20:43:40 <wilcal> ya need a powerfull machine for full resolution Flightgear 20:43:47 <wilcal> anything else here 20:43:55 <lewyssmith> -> 20:44:07 <wilcal> #topic Security Roundup 20:44:19 <wilcal> they keep get'n generated 20:44:23 <lewyssmith> Ping Luigi12 20:44:26 <wilcal> that's about all we can say 20:45:08 <lewyssmith> As you say, enough said. 20:45:16 <wilcal> no Luigi I guess 20:45:30 <wilcal> onward 20:45:31 <wilcal> #topic Anything Else? 20:45:39 <wilcal> a couple things here 20:45:41 <tmb> there will be a kernel and a virtualbox update coming 20:45:55 <wilcal> Ohhhh that'll fill up my time nicely 20:45:59 <wilcal> :-)) 20:46:03 <lewyssmith> Oh no! 20:46:25 <wilcal> the decision to go with XFCE live media is a very good move for Mageia I think 20:46:37 <wilcal> 3 or 4 isos 20:47:10 <wilcal> Also I've poked some at Openshot 2.2 and it looks on the surface to look exceptionally good 20:47:23 <wilcal> finally a usable NLE for Linux 20:47:37 <lewyssmith> NLE? 20:47:51 <wilcal> Non-Linier ( video ) Editor 20:48:06 <lewyssmith> Thank you. 20:48:09 <wilcal> Linux has never really had one 20:48:39 <wilcal> M6 should still contain ver 1 & 2 of Openshot. M7 Ver 2 only 20:48:56 <wilcal> Complexity of these things is huge 20:49:17 <lewyssmith> Are we going to ship 2.2? 20:49:43 <wilcal> I'll look at the Openshot community and see where they are at 20:50:15 <wilcal> Disclaimer. I've contributed financially to the Openshot project 20:50:30 <lewyssmith> Good for ypu. 20:50:39 <wilcal> It's not a toy anymore 20:51:06 <wilcal> anything else 20:51:36 <wilcal> i think my little laptop is gonna make it throught this meeting without locking up :-0 20:51:50 <lewyssmith> Nowt from me. 20:51:59 <wilcal> isos on the way that's the big story here 20:52:28 <wilcal> countdown time 20:52:33 <wilcal> T-5 20:52:40 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone. 20:52:41 <wilcal> T-4 20:52:45 <wilcal> T-3 20:52:48 <wilcal> thanks all 20:52:50 <lewyssmith> Thanks bill for your ususal work. 20:52:52 <wilcal> T-2 20:53:03 <wilcal> Nice crisp meeting 20:53:10 <wilcal> T-1 20:53:12 <wilcal> #endmeeting