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20:02:43 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:03:33 <wilcal> Anyone new here
20:03:44 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
20:03:44 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
20:04:06 <lewyssmith> Is there anyboduy here who has not been to a QA IRC session before? If so, please announce yourself.
20:04:13 <wilcal> I don't see anyone new
20:04:51 <wilcal> lets move on
20:04:53 <wilcal> #topic M6 New sta2 ISO's to be released shortly?
20:05:14 <wilcal> so we should see some new CI's shortly and maybe some Live media
20:05:31 <lewyssmith> Remember I am in the dark since last week, so cannot comment much.
20:05:37 <wilcal> should be close enough to release it widely
20:05:50 <wilcal> still warts in there but for the most part is functional
20:06:05 <lewyssmith> What about those major bugs?
20:06:31 <ennael> so I've just built new isos here
20:06:43 <ennael> it includes a fix for the partition step
20:06:53 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15527
20:06:55 <[mbot> Bug 15527: normal, release_blocker, bugsquad, RESOLVED MOVED, [Tracker] Mageia 6 release critical
20:06:59 <ennael> I guess the last nasty bug for sta2
20:07:22 <wilcal> please explain the partition situation for everyone
20:07:31 <brian___> sorry I'm late
20:07:36 <wilcal> hi ya brian
20:07:57 <brian___> wilcal: hi
20:08:48 <ennael> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19935
20:08:49 <[mbot> Bug 19935: critical, release_blocker, mageiatools, NEW , Custom disk partitioning requests BIOS boot partition on non-GPT disk, drakxtools
20:08:54 <ennael> sorry I was looking for it
20:09:19 <wilcal> It only occurs during custom disk partitioning right?
20:09:30 <ennael> yep
20:09:53 <ennael> so stage2 and drakxtools have been fixed yesterday evening
20:10:02 <wilcal> That would be a release blocker but we could try and fix it on this next set of isos
20:10:14 <ennael> it should be fixed
20:10:21 <ennael> just need to check it is really :)
20:10:42 <ennael> I'm checking the isos to see if there is no big pb and release it
20:10:47 <wilcal> so we should get it in lots of peoples hands
20:10:49 <ennael> should I ask pre test?
20:10:54 <wilcal> no
20:11:02 <ennael> ok so QA directlry
20:11:03 <wilcal> we're done with the pretest stuff
20:11:06 <ennael> ok
20:11:11 <lewyssmith> not if it works; it did last time
20:11:29 <wilcal> it all installs in normal mode
20:11:30 <lewyssmith> wilcal: For thie 'release' only, please.
20:11:46 <lewyssmith> -5
20:12:23 <wilcal> there are some issues in M6 that are hardware specific like nvidia systems
20:12:43 <wilcal> the thing with vlc is one example
20:12:49 <wilcal> need wider testing
20:12:51 <brian___> yes - seems focused on plasma for some reason
20:13:05 <brian___> I'm on Xfce right now - all is good (nvidia 304)
20:13:10 <brian___> x86
20:13:13 <tjandrews> And not even all nvidia systems for some bugs.
20:13:14 <brian___> i586 was broken
20:13:16 <wilcal> does not occur in Vbox
20:13:37 <wilcal> more and more my bugs are app specific
20:13:44 <wilcal> not system problems
20:14:07 <wilcal> no more "Good Luck"s
20:14:23 <brian___> yes true
20:14:38 <lewyssmith> But we *need* to sort all nVidia 304/340 problems.
20:15:08 <wilcal> old hardware difficult to reproduce widely
20:15:23 <tjandrews> The 304/340 problem with the M6 installer only seems to be with the server kernels.
20:15:43 <lewyssmith> I did not know that.
20:15:45 <wilcal> how many folks are seeing it
20:16:01 <tjandrews> I dunno. We seem to be able to filed more 304/340 testers than nvidia-current testers.
20:16:34 <tjandrews> Everybody who is reporting it so far has seen it with the server kernel.
20:17:06 <wilcal> does the install work with the fall back driver?
20:17:07 <lewyssmith> Since that is minority, it is good news.
20:17:22 <wilcal> i think it does
20:17:36 <tjandrews> The CI always picks the server kernel for me because my BIOS reports that I have ECC memory when I don't.
20:18:01 <tmb> thats because dkms will detect the desktop586 kernel the installer is running on through 'uname -r' and build a mis-matched kmod for the server kernel
20:18:04 <brian___> hmm - I'll have to try the install again and see if I get server kernel
20:18:09 <tjandrews> Yes, I can install without 340, then add it later.
20:18:13 <brian___> on i586
20:18:38 <wilcal> maybe a candidate to be continued to be worked on after release?
20:18:40 <brian___> that may explain the unique i586'ish issue
20:18:50 <tmb> just stick in errata that use free driver during install, and only after booting the installed system configure it to use proprietary driver
20:18:57 <wilcal> if the nouveau driver works
20:19:29 <brian___> I thought I tried that and garbage/lockage
20:19:35 <wilcal> i agree tmb
20:19:37 <brian___> 304 driver person
20:19:48 <brian___> np
20:20:11 <wilcal> so the nouveau does not work on your test system brian?
20:20:17 <tmb> the other workaround is to use modesetting or vesa driver for first boot
20:20:47 <brian___> no on 304/i586 it doesn't work.
20:20:52 <tjandrews> My nvidia M6 system is x86_64.
20:20:54 <wilcal> so maybe a 100% works every time workaround in errata
20:20:57 <brian___> meaning a 6xxx series nvidia
20:23:56 <brian___> x86_64 I was able to get working.  The server kernel sounds legit
20:23:56 <wilcal> fwiw council is ageeable to xfce 32&64 bit live media with final decision on 64-bit pending
20:24:10 <brian___> I had to switch to Xfce
20:24:20 <wilcal> no Plasma or Gnome 32-bit live media
20:24:37 <brian___> as heavy as they are now, I agree
20:24:46 <wilcal> a very good positioning i think
20:25:08 <lewyssmith> That might encourage more people to try the Classic - our star.
20:25:17 <wilcal> IMO on 32-bit xfce but lots of people like 64-bit xfce
20:26:13 <wilcal> Martin says generating both xfce isos is easy
20:26:51 <wilcal> 304/340 decision may be a Council decision
20:27:35 <lewyssmith> What decision?
20:27:37 <wilcal> IMO gotta have a 100% reliable workaround though
20:27:45 <wilcal> fix after or before release
20:27:59 <lewyssmith> After STA2, but before final.
20:28:14 <wilcal> I can agree with that
20:29:02 <tjandrews> Sounds good to me. We do appear to be zeroing in on the root cause.
20:29:20 <wilcal> so we await new isos. Anything else on M6?
20:29:27 <tjandrews> That's 3/4 of the battle.
20:29:48 <wilcal> FWIW I can
20:30:19 <wilcal> can't believe KDE decided on those default power/logout/reboot icons
20:30:34 <wilcal> easy to change but IMO bad decision live with it
20:30:58 <lewyssmith> There is a lot about KDE/Plasma that makes most of us wonder.
20:31:08 <wilcal> not worth the battle
20:31:26 <wilcal> onward
20:31:27 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
20:32:07 <tjandrews> I noticed one of the updates last week switched my icons from oxygen to breeze. I had to put them back mself.
20:32:23 <tjandrews> Oops. Sorry.
20:32:34 <brian___> I guess it thought it was a breeze ;-)
20:33:01 <wilcal> i see mariadb in the updates I should be able to get to that in the next couple days
20:33:39 <wilcal> anybody know anything about nagios
20:33:41 <tjandrews> I tried to solicit help for nvidia-current, with little success.
20:34:08 <lewyssmith> What is different about that from 304/340?
20:34:10 <wilcal> i can work that in 64-bit but not 32-bit
20:34:32 <tjandrews> lewysmith: different bug.
20:34:43 <lewyssmith> Otherwise?
20:34:56 <tjandrews> No idea.
20:35:03 <wilcal> fwiw I always start with a new hardware install to test nvidia-current
20:35:21 <wilcal> so it all takes a couple hours to get through the whole process
20:35:33 <lewyssmith> Can we say that anyone who tried the 304/340 bug can equally try this one?
20:35:51 <tjandrews> No. Needs different hardware.
20:35:52 <tmb> nvidia-current was put as separate bug as it also updated to newer long lived branch, and also adding support for gtx 10xx series
20:36:15 <lewyssmith> Do we just appeal to all nvidia users?
20:36:21 <wilcal> ya different hardware and about 10-years old hardware at that I think
20:36:29 <brian___> oh the 375 one
20:36:57 <tmb> so a "bigger" version bump, but it has been running a long time in cauldron now without issues, so I dont expect issues on mga5 either
20:37:05 <tjandrews> But newer than 340/304 hardware.
20:37:05 <brian___> no hardware to support that on my end
20:37:52 <wilcal> so the 304/340 thingy is working fine on M6?
20:38:31 <tjandrews> Once you get it installed, yes on mine.
20:38:38 <tmb> well, eventually we have to push it... if people cant be bothered to help testing, they cant really complain after
20:39:35 <brian___> true
20:40:01 <lewyssmith> I will make another appeal ASAP.
20:40:02 <wilcal> agreed tmb
20:41:04 <lewyssmith> Give it to the weekend.
20:41:16 <wilcal> I'm afraid to test Flightgear. Last time I did that I get addicted and burned hours/days of wasted time :-((
20:42:13 <wilcal> Also IMO that's a 64-bit only app
20:42:28 <wilcal> anything else here
20:42:33 <lewyssmith> I thought we had just pushed an update for that. Is ther another?
20:42:53 <wilcal> backport
20:43:09 <lewyssmith> Ah. And 64-bit per se suffices not.
20:43:40 <wilcal> ya need a powerfull machine for full resolution Flightgear
20:43:47 <wilcal> anything else here
20:43:55 <lewyssmith> ->
20:44:07 <wilcal> #topic Security Roundup
20:44:19 <wilcal> they keep get'n generated
20:44:23 <lewyssmith> Ping Luigi12
20:44:26 <wilcal> that's about all we can say
20:45:08 <lewyssmith> As you say, enough said.
20:45:16 <wilcal> no Luigi I guess
20:45:30 <wilcal> onward
20:45:31 <wilcal> #topic Anything Else?
20:45:39 <wilcal> a couple things here
20:45:41 <tmb> there will be a kernel and a virtualbox update coming
20:45:55 <wilcal> Ohhhh that'll fill up my time nicely
20:45:59 <wilcal> :-))
20:46:03 <lewyssmith> Oh no!
20:46:25 <wilcal> the decision to go with XFCE live media is a very good move for Mageia I think
20:46:37 <wilcal> 3 or 4 isos
20:47:10 <wilcal> Also I've poked some at Openshot 2.2 and it looks on the surface to look exceptionally good
20:47:23 <wilcal> finally a usable NLE for Linux
20:47:37 <lewyssmith> NLE?
20:47:51 <wilcal> Non-Linier ( video ) Editor
20:48:06 <lewyssmith> Thank you.
20:48:09 <wilcal> Linux has never really had one
20:48:39 <wilcal> M6 should still contain ver 1 & 2 of Openshot. M7 Ver 2 only
20:48:56 <wilcal> Complexity of these things is huge
20:49:17 <lewyssmith> Are we going to ship 2.2?
20:49:43 <wilcal> I'll look at the Openshot community and see where they are at
20:50:15 <wilcal> Disclaimer. I've contributed financially to the Openshot project
20:50:30 <lewyssmith> Good for ypu.
20:50:39 <wilcal> It's not a toy anymore
20:51:06 <wilcal> anything else
20:51:36 <wilcal> i think my little laptop is gonna make it throught this meeting without locking up :-0
20:51:50 <lewyssmith> Nowt from me.
20:51:59 <wilcal> isos on the way that's the big story here
20:52:28 <wilcal> countdown time
20:52:33 <wilcal> T-5
20:52:40 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone.
20:52:41 <wilcal> T-4
20:52:45 <wilcal> T-3
20:52:48 <wilcal> thanks all
20:52:50 <lewyssmith> Thanks bill for your ususal work.
20:52:52 <wilcal> T-2
20:53:03 <wilcal> Nice crisp meeting
20:53:10 <wilcal> T-1
20:53:12 <wilcal> #endmeeting