20:02:29 <wilcal> #startmeeting 20:02:29 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Jan 12 20:02:29 2017 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:02:29 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:02:45 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 20:02:58 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith 20:02:58 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal 20:03:11 <wilcal> Anyone here new? 20:03:39 <wilcal> I don't see anyone new 20:03:46 <wilcal> on to the exciting stuff 20:03:58 <wilcal> #topic M6 20:04:21 <ennael> hi 20:04:22 <wilcal> Lots of activity there 20:04:29 <wilcal> Hi ennael welcome 20:04:29 <lewyssmith> Lots! 20:04:31 <brian__> I just saw the announcement new iso's 20:04:54 <wilcal> I've already installed the new CI's in Vbox and they installed just fine 20:05:06 <rindolf> hi all/ 20:05:20 <wilcal> Hi rin welcome to the M6 Party 20:05:35 <brian__> so everything is peachy? 20:06:01 <tjandrews> Made a couple of Plasma installs from 64-bit and 32-bit, and it looks good. a couple of minor glitches, but nothing serious so far. 20:06:05 <wilcal> definity some wrinkles but install and boot to working desktop for me is clean 20:06:17 <rindolf> well, korganier appears to have an upstream bug that it doesn't display reminders 20:06:24 <wilcal> The MCC did not open for me in 64-bit Gnome 20:06:33 <lewyssmith> How far are the Lives at least from being releasbale to the public? 20:06:51 <wilcal> I think the whole batch is ready to go 20:07:06 <tjandrews> I haven't had a chance to download/try the new ones yet. 20:07:07 <brian__> I'll sync tonight then 20:07:37 <wilcal> these are very usable for general testing let'em go 20:07:37 <lewyssmith> I looked for the promised LXDELive 64-bit, but only the 32-bit was ther. 20:07:48 <Bequimao> I found os-prober missing in Plasma live 64 bit. 20:07:51 <wilcal> that is for next discussion 20:08:11 <wilcal> next issue 20:08:14 <lewyssmith> Bequimao: It gets installed when you tivk 'probe other OS's'. 20:08:44 <Bequimao> Thanks 20:09:13 <wilcal> So these should be in wide circulation by this weekend 20:09:24 <lewyssmith> Despite which, the end boot menus I have seen do not include all other things... 20:10:12 <lewyssmith> At last 'sta2' is meaningful. 20:10:18 <wilcal> Very 20:10:33 <tjandrews> I see the first updates for M6 from the Classicals has drakconf and associated tools. Should they be added to the isos before release? 20:11:10 <lewyssmith> Not if not necessary; but Anne has already mentioned a rebuold for somlehting else. 20:11:15 <wilcal> Ahhh ya is that why drakconf did not launch for me in Gnome? 20:11:59 <tjandrews> Don't know. It worked for me in Plasma. Only way I can get wifi working. 20:12:11 <wilcal> It's fine in Plasma 20:12:21 <Benmc> ( qa: good morning - sorry for being late) 20:12:24 <marja> wilcal: you may have hit https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19498 ... Thierry fixed it today 20:12:26 <[mbot> Bug 19498: major, release_blocker, mageia, RESOLVED FIXED, mcc doesn't start on Wayland ("No protocol specified"), mcc, wayland 20:12:29 <lewyssmith> Hello Ben. 20:12:57 <lewyssmith> marja: & Marja! 20:13:02 <wilcal> yup that is the prob 20:13:06 <marja> hi lewyssmith and all 20:13:25 <tjandrews> Hi. 20:13:36 <brian__> hi marja - been hours 20:15:20 <lewyssmith> Does anyone know whether the Council has made any decision about sse2: support or abandon? 20:15:45 <wilcal> I don't remember discussion on that 20:15:57 <azziam> (Pete here) Not to be out in left field, but that Wayland problem must be why MCC wouldn't start easily in Enlightenment DE either. If E uses Wayland... 20:16:02 <lewyssmith> It was pushed in their directions - supposedly. 20:16:49 <wilcal> do we need to release new isos because of the MCC no start problem or leave it to get fixed in update 20:16:58 <marja> neoclust tried to fix it, but the problem still exists https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19799 20:16:59 <[mbot> Bug 19799: normal, release_blocker, kde, NEW , qt5 stack must be checked for sse2 code in 32bit builds, qt5 stack 20:17:59 <lewyssmith> It will not stop STA2 going out, though; whatever the decision. 20:18:14 <azziam> How does the new user update with no MCC? 20:18:31 <lewyssmith> He doesn't. 20:18:47 <marja> azziam: by running "urpmi --auto-update" as root 20:18:58 <wilcal> urpmi --auto-update 20:19:17 <lewyssmith> MCC working is a key criterium for releasing an ISO; I think. 20:19:18 <azziam> That's why I said "new user" who may no be so good on CLI. 20:19:42 <lewyssmith> MCC is a key element of Mageia. 20:19:45 <tjandrews> Obviously, this will require new isos with the fix included. I have never cared for the CLI, either. 20:19:45 <wilcal> these are test isos 20:20:24 <lewyssmith> But STA2 will be released soon; they should not have a major glitch. 20:20:46 <tjandrews> wilcal: can you start MCC as root from a terminal in Gnome? 20:20:47 <wilcal> so we go one more round of sta2 20:21:02 <wilcal> No that won't work tj 20:21:11 <wilcal> you get the error mentioned in the bug 20:21:17 <tjandrews> Oh, well. It was a thought. 20:21:37 <azziam> From a terminal in Gnome, if I run "mcc" I get something else. 20:21:52 <wilcal> So do we have a consensus that we've got to go one more round 20:21:55 <lewyssmith> Even if just for that issue, I think new ISOs are necessray. Just Gnome perhaps? 20:22:06 <marja> Only one person tested neoclust's fix for sse2.... maybe it is useful to have more tests 20:22:08 <wilcal> it's fine in Plasma 20:22:26 <tjandrews> Classicals, too, I would think. 20:23:09 <wilcal> We are really close 20:23:13 <lewyssmith> I will try an all-desktop Classic install to try MCC; but if it is OK for Plasma, then it could be just the Gnome Lives. 20:23:33 <tjandrews> wilcal: is this for Gnome installed from the Live, or from Classical? 20:23:42 <wilcal> from CI 20:23:55 <lewyssmith> Ah. 20:24:06 <wilcal> i didn't encounter it anywhere else 20:24:55 <wilcal> the ci i downloaded last night 20:25:21 <tjandrews> Yes... Martin said he had changed something so that it could be run from Wayland in the Lives. 20:25:35 <lewyssmith> marja: neoclust's fix for sse2: what do you mean by that? That there is no sse2? 20:26:00 <lewyssmith> (for 32-bit) 20:26:34 <wilcal> so one more round 20:26:46 <marja> lewyssmith: that it gets disabled, so that hardware not supporting it won't have problems 20:26:58 <stratocaster7> lewyssmith: Older processors don't support sse2. 20:26:59 <wilcal> but this one should be really close 20:27:18 <lewyssmith> Direct to all QA, no pre-test needed now. 20:27:26 <wilcal> correct 20:27:29 <marja> lewyssmith: he tried to disable it for 32bit when he pushed qtdeclarative5-5.6.2-2.mga6.srpm 20:27:48 <lewyssmith> marja: Will that not stop QT5/Plasma working? 20:28:37 <lewyssmith> stratocaster7: I knew that; had one once. 20:29:48 <marja> lewyssmith: from the bug report, I understand it should fix crashes on non-sse2 hw 20:30:18 <tjandrews> It's all above my head, but I've read on the web that the problem is that QT5 must be re-compiled with the sse2 flag disabled before it will work on the older machines. 20:30:40 <stratocaster7> tjandrews: exactly. 20:30:58 <lewyssmith> That all makes sense. I did not know QT5 could live without it. 20:30:59 <brian__> what is the performance impact of disabling that? 20:31:49 <lewyssmith> If you have a machine that old, better not run PLasma anyway... 20:32:19 <lewyssmith> I could not stick even KDE on mine. 20:32:38 <wilcal> Which kinda leads us into the next subject 20:32:45 <lewyssmith> ! 20:33:06 <wilcal> #topic new iso lineup discussion 20:33:10 <tjandrews> I had one with 2GB that worked fine with KDE4 and Mageia 5 before I retired it last year. 20:33:44 <wilcal> so there's a proposal to change the mix of the live media in respect to 32-bit 20:33:55 <wilcal> do share your thoughts 20:34:01 <lewyssmith> Sensible. 20:34:24 <wilcal> IMO 32-bit should lead with XFCE 20:34:43 <lewyssmith> Already widely mulled over on qa-discuss. 20:34:58 <wilcal> 32bit Live-DVD in XFCE only IMO 20:35:14 <tjandrews> Like I said on the ml, since Plasma on 32-bit machines is dicey, it makes no sense to have a Live for it. 20:35:21 <wilcal> also no 64-bit XFCE Live-DVD 20:35:35 <wilcal> so that gives us 3 live media 20:35:36 <azziam> Anyone using an older machine with no sse2 should be happy with Xfce! 20:36:06 <wilcal> I've a really only intel platform running M5 XFCE nicely thank you 20:36:11 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Whoa! 64-bit XFCELive *was* suggested. 20:36:13 <tjandrews> Unless all he's ever used is KDE. 20:36:23 <wilcal> I know that I see no reason for it 20:36:45 <wilcal> no reason it can't be in the prerelease testing mix 20:37:07 <lewyssmith> Well, I always await an XFCE variant of other distros before installing them (64-bit);. 20:37:22 <lewyssmith> od LXDE. 20:37:29 <wilcal> This move would make Mageia unique and actaully get a lot of "Press" 20:38:17 <wilcal> You can still install XFCE in 64-bit using CI custome install 20:38:43 <lewyssmith> Of course; pundits must be aware of that. 20:39:09 <wilcal> I think we can definitely support XFCE 32-bit Live-DVD 20:39:23 <wilcal> that's a for sure I think 20:39:36 <lewyssmith> It is a neat idea, along with dropping the Gnome & Plasme ones. 20:39:45 <Benmc> I have an older 64 lappy that will not run either of the current Lives to desktop. so XFCE is agood idea 20:39:55 <azziam> Gotta go to work. I'm all for Xfce Lives. 20:39:55 <wilcal> so we are on record here to go forward with all this 20:40:12 <Benmc> yes from me 20:40:12 <wilcal> You still here anne(ennael)? 20:40:19 <marja> K47*m217 20:40:25 <marja> oops 20:40:25 <lewyssmith> I think we are all agreed. 20:40:27 <tjandrews> If you want a Live for purposes of using it for some kind of maintenace task, the lighter desktop will come up quicker. 20:40:38 <FarmerBillOhio> I like the option of a minimal setup 20:41:06 <wilcal> I also sent a message to qa list to, if you can, test the live media on a diskless workstation 20:41:31 <wilcal> disconnect your hard drive and boot with the usb or disk Live-DVD 20:41:38 <wilcal> it should work 20:41:42 <tjandrews> I saw that. I would, but I don't have one. 20:41:50 <wilcal> a long time ago it didn't 20:41:59 <wilcal> it's a security thing 20:43:06 <wilcal> running a diskless workstation from a real Live-DVD not USB stick is impossible to compromise 20:43:37 <wilcal> when you turn it off everything is really really gone 20:45:02 <lewyssmith> There is a special security conscious distro that *only* runs live. 20:45:23 <lewyssmith> Used by journalists etc in prickly countries. 20:45:23 <wilcal> so we wait a new Gnome ISO 20:46:01 <wilcal> ever heard of a foot switch that you stomp on to kill power to your computer 20:47:20 <tjandrews> I usually avoid "stomping" on my equipment. ;) 20:47:24 <lewyssmith> Move on? 20:47:27 <wilcal> anyway I think we can move on 20:47:41 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates 20:47:59 <lewyssmith> Still a big list, many 'heavy'. 20:48:00 <wilcal> list is moderate 20:48:11 <wilcal> ya some are carrier builders 20:48:24 <tjandrews> Difference of opinion there, I see. 20:48:42 <wilcal> anyone understand the top two? 20:48:53 <tjandrews> "Big" or "moderate?" 20:49:09 <lewyssmith> Len is in there; that means it is hard. 20:49:32 <wilcal> I'm already confused 20:49:56 <brian__> I might get some time to try ansible. It depends on how lost I get getting the machines configured 20:50:33 <wilcal> You can build two Vbox clients and connect them to the LAN 20:51:05 <brian__> it looks like I throw it on one and hten open up the firewall on the other 20:51:14 <brian__> but yes 20:51:20 <tjandrews> Above my pay grade, I think. 20:51:20 <wilcal> any way the've been there just 5/6 days 20:51:36 <wilcal> lets see if they're still around next week this time 20:52:11 <brian__> somebody else has to take nagios 20:52:12 <wilcal> another nvidia hardware specific bug 20:52:28 <brian__> yup too new for my equip 20:52:28 <lewyssmith> They have been there for ages, Bill. Just 'touched' more recently. 20:52:49 <wilcal> push 20049 on 20:52:53 <brian__> my two nvidia cards are 304 driver. I've been away from nvidia since 20:53:11 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Just doen. 20:53:12 <tjandrews> 340 and 304 here. 20:54:00 <wilcal> what are the chances that someone is running golang on a Mageia 32-bit platform 20:54:31 <brian__> lol 20:55:02 <wilcal> I'd push that on Lewis 20:55:18 <brian__> if you want I'll load it on 32-bit and write hello world 20:55:27 <wilcal> sounds like a plan 20:55:32 <brian__> actually I'll cut and paste it if you want 20:55:41 <wilcal> so that'll cut the list down considerably 20:55:49 <lewyssmith> I did 64-bit, it is a doddle. Any old machine with the little tests given (not the POC). 20:55:50 <wilcal> go for it 20:56:32 <wilcal> I'm leaning more and more towards if it works on 64-bit then the 32-bit kinda gets dragged along 20:56:48 <brian__> I thought about it learning go, then decided I'd rather re-learn c++ 20:56:50 <lewyssmith> brian__: 2 little scripts given in the bug. 20:56:58 <brian__> ok 20:57:04 <wilcal> if you can test it easily then do it other wise push it 20:57:19 <wilcal> most systems running these things are 64-bit 20:57:22 <wilcal> IMO 20:57:36 <brian__> yup - meant to be a cloud service languag 20:57:55 <brian__> will do it and post - lewysmith - I'll find those scripts 20:57:59 <wilcal> Sooooooo much has moved to the "Cloud" these days 20:58:13 <lewyssmith> brian__: They ar *with the bug* as attachments. 20:58:16 <brian__> yeah - was messing around in gcloud - kind of fun 20:58:19 <wilcal> lets move on 20:58:21 <wilcal> #topic Security Roundup 20:58:29 <lewyssmith> ping Luigi12 20:58:46 <wilcal> Luigi continues to churn these things out 20:59:00 <lewyssmith> Wholesale! 20:59:22 <wilcal> moving on 20:59:24 <wilcal> #topic Anything Else? 20:59:42 <wilcal> many thanks to all for their thoughts on the M6 Live media mix 21:00:02 <wilcal> this is a fundamental change that will ease the load for everyone 21:00:42 <wilcal> final mix should be in front of the Board in a couple weeks 21:00:42 <lewyssmith> Not here. Except, Bill, don't forget XFCELive 64-bit as well. I thought that is what was proposed, and others liked the idea. 21:01:00 <wilcal> yes proposed I don 21:01:08 <wilcal> don't support that one 21:01:15 <wilcal> it's redundent 21:01:50 <wilcal> so I'm convinced that we'll release M6 this month ( crossed fingers ) 21:02:09 <lewyssmith> STA2, you mean. 21:02:14 <wilcal> yes 21:02:26 <wilcal> final release in Feb 21:02:28 <lewyssmith> You had me worried for a moment. 21:02:48 <brian__> <shrug> - to me two 64-bit lives with great UI's (Gnome and KDE) and then one for 32-bit seems smart to me 21:02:57 <brian__> less work for builders and testing team I suppose 21:03:03 <wilcal> M6 cook almost 2-years in the kitchen 21:03:07 <brian__> so 3 lives and two CI's 21:03:16 <wilcal> yes very nice 21:03:33 <wilcal> and a VERY VerY nice 32-bit live DVD 21:04:01 <brian__> yeah - and truthfully I use xfce or mate for older equipment 21:04:24 <wilcal> wonderfully well on older Dell laptops 21:04:26 <brian__> I tried Kubuntu with Plasma on nvidia 304 and it was a form of torture 21:04:52 <lewyssmith> I like Mate too; very fast. 21:05:02 <wilcal> almost every household has a Dell in the Closet 21:05:08 <wilcal> Dell laptop 21:05:09 <brian__> x2-3800, nvidia. 21:05:23 <brian__> yeah - mate on my 512MB sempron 21:05:46 <wilcal> anything else? 21:06:10 <brian__> wilcal are you still have low bandwith synching to m6? 21:06:11 <wilcal> Hugs to Dave hopefully we'll see him back soon 21:06:24 <brian__> Dave - T&P's to you buddy 21:06:28 <wilcal> I am really strugglling with that 21:06:40 <wilcal> it is NOT an AT&T problem 21:06:56 <wilcal> other people with other ISP's are experiencing the same thing 21:07:02 <brian__> temporarily if someone can give me guidance, I'll set up a VMachine in the cloud you can sync from 21:07:08 <wilcal> something happend at the end of Nov 21:07:40 <lewyssmith> When TAFTA was downed? 21:07:40 <wilcal> I have no problem to Taiwan, China, Australia ect ect 21:07:44 <brian__> and I mean temporary. Just need to know how to set up rsync so wilcal, etc. could rsync from 21:08:10 <wilcal> I can't get AT&T to admit to anything :-(( 21:08:21 <wilcal> and it ain't their problem 21:08:22 <brian__> my other option is build web-server and you download full everytime, which would be sad 21:08:34 <lewyssmith> brian__: Ask akien, stormi? 21:08:53 <wilcal> i get screeming speeds from mirrors.kernel.org 21:09:12 <wilcal> 56kbps from European servers 21:09:13 <brian__> yeah - and i can sync vcloud server with m6 at high rate 21:09:48 <wilcal> things like German TV stations rebroadcasts on their websites don't work or work poorly 21:10:06 <wilcal> anyway not a Mageia problem 21:10:10 <wilcal> anything else? 21:10:13 <lewyssmith> Thanks to you Bill for your chairman job; & to everybody for coming. 21:10:19 <wilcal> T-5 21:10:22 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone. 21:10:22 <brian__> yup - good day everyone 21:10:25 <wilcal> T-4 21:10:28 <wilcal> bye all 21:10:32 <wilcal> T-3 21:10:36 <wilcal> T-2 21:10:51 <wilcal> T-1 21:10:55 <wilcal> #endmeeting