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20:04:05 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
20:04:05 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
20:04:16 <lewyssmith> Shall I be Dave?
20:04:23 <wilcal> yes please
20:04:25 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:04:36 <FarmerBillOhio> me, I recko
20:04:38 <FarmerBillOhio> n
20:04:54 <wilcal> It's cold in Ohio now
20:04:55 <FarmerBillOhio> Bill from Ohio, mostly a newbie
20:05:02 <FarmerBillOhio> amen to that, wilcal
20:05:16 <wilcal> Near which City
20:05:30 <FarmerBillOhio> 30 miles south of columbus
20:05:44 <FarmerBillOhio> they call it rural here lol
20:05:46 <wilcal> Lots of corn fields around there
20:06:03 <tjandrews> What type of farm? I'm mostly vegetables and horse hay.
20:06:03 <FarmerBillOhio> we're surrounded by corn :)
20:06:13 <FarmerBillOhio> thanks for having me!
20:06:18 <lewyssmith> We know a little about you from qa-discuss. I am Lewis, a Celtic expat in France, one of the deputy team leaders.
20:06:28 <wilcal> Always welcome here
20:06:50 <wilcal> France is cold and rainy this time of year
20:06:57 <FarmerBillOhio> I'll help all I can
20:07:09 <rindolf> hi all
20:07:16 <rindolf> FarmerBillOhio: hi, nice to meet you
20:07:19 <wilcal> "wilcal" for (Wil)liam in (Cal)ifornia, live near San Diego ( Surf City USA )
20:07:21 <wilcal> First official College computer class in Sept 1964, Computer Engineer 1968
20:07:34 <FarmerBillOhio> hi rindolf ! same here :)
20:07:56 <rindolf> FarmerBillOhio: I am Shlomi from Tel Aviv, Israel
20:08:41 <wilcal> A wide range of people here from all over the world
20:08:41 <FarmerBillOhio> I'm pleased to meet all of you (no quiz later, I hope?)
20:08:51 <wilcal> No quiz ever
20:08:55 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Bill, we happen to have had an exceptionally fine, dry, relatively mild winter to date.
20:09:04 <FarmerBillOhio> whew
20:09:05 <wilcal> Any help is great help
20:09:07 <brian_> Hellow everyone
20:09:18 <wilcal> Hi brian
20:09:23 <lewyssmith> Greeting Brian.
20:09:40 <tjandrews> My brother and I own and operate the same farm where we grew up, third generation of the family to own it.
20:09:44 <FarmerBillOhio> hi Brian
20:09:59 <wilcal> main crop?
20:10:08 <FarmerBillOhio> that's great, TJ. our farm back in MO was settled around 1860
20:10:09 <rindolf> brian_: hi
20:10:11 <lewyssmith> FarmerBillOhio: We are short of regulars tonight. There are usually more present.
20:10:38 <tjandrews> I also have an ancient and little-used electrical engineering degree from the early '70s.
20:11:03 <lewyssmith> But it must helpp when you hack hardware.
20:11:12 <FarmerBillOhio> I'm more of a wanna-be farmer...managed feedmills and now we do some produce
20:11:13 <tjandrews> It does.
20:11:44 <FarmerBillOhio> 2 brothers are EEs. One with John Deere. He travels to France fairly frequently
20:11:53 <wilcal> Cool
20:12:40 <wilcal> I did a lot of good business with Schlumberger
20:12:41 <tjandrews> My mother started us young, with a farm stand in 1962. It's still going today.
20:13:46 <FarmerBillOhio> we've done farmers markets since 2001 or so.
20:13:52 <wilcal> Soooo nice
20:14:25 <lewyssmith> Move on?
20:14:31 <tjandrews> We're lucky that our grandfather decided to buy a farm on a major east-west highway.
20:15:17 <wilcal> #topic Where are we at? How you doing?
20:15:32 <lewyssmith> i.e. Mageia 6.
20:15:39 <tjandrews> With regard to what?
20:15:40 <brian_> mga6 - I'm liking the new gnome more than I thought I would
20:15:41 <wilcal> Some folks are reporting booting to black screens
20:15:45 <wilcal> Ya M6
20:16:00 <brian_> when are we getting new iso's?
20:16:17 <Bullrich> i have problems with rsync
20:16:23 <wilcal> slow?
20:16:33 <tjandrews> LOTS of changes since the last ones.
20:16:41 <lewyssmith> We really are stuck for need of new ISOs, which depend on a couple of important bugs.
20:17:01 <lewyssmith> Bullrich: What problems?
20:17:19 <Bullrich> Starting rsync..
20:17:19 <Bullrich> <Bullrich> @ERROR: auth failed on module isos
20:17:19 <Bullrich> <Bullrich> rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1635) [Receiver=3.1.1]
20:17:19 <Bullrich> <Bullrich> Rsync failed. Exiting.
20:17:19 <Bullrich> <Bullrich> before i renamed every thing to Mageia-6-sta2
20:17:28 <tjandrews> Nvidia 340 is working MUCH better for me now.
20:17:43 <lewyssmith> Bullrich: Wrong password?
20:17:55 <Bullrich> hm....dunno
20:18:11 <Bullrich> can i pm you ?
20:18:28 <wilcal> FWIW sometimes updating M6 can result in 100's of rpms
20:18:39 <lewyssmith> You were lucky it *did* fail, or you would have downloaded the whole ISO if it was not yet renamed.
20:18:56 <lewyssmith> Bullrich: Yes.
20:19:01 <Bullrich> i renamed it
20:19:13 <wilcal> I wonder if installing one of the latest isos and updating it will really work
20:19:38 <lewyssmith> Bullrich: I do not recognise you. Are you on the ISO tester list?
20:19:45 <Bullrich> yes
20:20:10 <lewyssmith> So you should have the right pasword since many monts.
20:20:29 <Bullrich> i sent it to you by pm
20:21:09 <lewyssmith> Nothing from you yet.
20:21:40 <Bullrich> hm...i opened a private window
20:22:03 <lewyssmith> So I see!
20:22:34 <Bullrich> cant you see it?
20:23:14 <lewyssmith> Yes; over.
20:25:08 <tjandrews> Bullrich: Did you use the same password as for sta1? As I recall, we used the same as for 5.1 tests, but different from sta1 and I think the RC ones we'd rather forget.
20:25:23 <lewyssmith> It needs updating; will do.
20:25:48 <lewyssmith> Let's move on.
20:25:58 <wilcal> one more thing
20:25:59 <wilcal> Lemme share my experiences in the last few days
20:26:01 <wilcal> An update a couple days ago blew up my hardware install.
20:26:02 <wilcal> Boot to a black screen
20:26:04 <wilcal> A complete reinstall from a blank drive on real hardware using boot.iso
20:26:05 <wilcal> resulted in a clean install and boot to a working Plasma screen
20:26:39 <wilcal> so using the M6 repo today and boot.iso should result in a clean install and working Plasma desktop
20:27:08 <brian_> good news there
20:27:10 <lewyssmith> Good sign.
20:27:14 <wilcal> I'm not convinced updating one of the last ISOs will result in a working desktop
20:27:55 <wilcal> also plasma desktop looks really spiffy
20:27:59 <brian_> hmm - running intel hardware - I've been accepting updates, it is stable so far (Gnome).
20:28:14 <wilcal> Gnome has been golden
20:28:21 <wilcal> ok move on
20:28:23 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
20:28:25 <lewyssmith> Nice change!
20:28:46 <wilcal> I'm back to testing updates and we released the last of the kernels
20:28:53 <wilcal> :-))
20:28:57 <lewyssmith> We have loads of updates. We may have to validate on just 1 OK for the moment.
20:29:23 <brian_> completed zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance an hour ago
20:29:35 <brian_> php-zen (32 bit)
20:30:19 <wilcal> I went round and round with the Tor thing
20:31:07 <lewyssmith> Anyone with enough bandwidth & time can try Flightgear 32-bit easily enough.
20:31:32 <wilcal> Anyway I put a lot of notes in the latest bug on how it works so next testers will find it easier to do
20:31:50 <wilcal> Flightgear can be a cpu hog
20:32:14 <wilcal> I'm not sure a 32-bit CPU is appropriate
20:32:59 <lewyssmith> Just to try the update; the thing only just works.
20:33:07 <lewyssmith> Crumbs. I see I need to do some Advisories - again!
20:33:10 <wilcal> k
20:34:30 <tjandrews> What about the nvidia 3xx drivers? 340 works great for me 64-bit, and 304 is OK 32-bit.
20:34:36 <wilcal> where are we at with the two nvidia updates
20:34:42 <tjandrews> That's all I can test.
20:34:53 <wilcal> those are hardware specific I think
20:35:25 <lewyssmith> Certainly.
20:35:48 <wilcal> those are the nvidia 340 thing right?
20:36:15 <tjandrews> Yes.
20:36:44 <tjandrews> There's one bug for 340 and 304, another for nvidia-current.
20:36:45 <wilcal> somebody reported that their 340 was working better today
20:37:06 <lewyssmith> TJ.
20:37:17 <tjandrews> That was me, but on M6. These updates are for M5.
20:37:25 <wilcal> I'm not sure we can test these with 100% confidence
20:37:39 <tjandrews> They are working just fine with M5.
20:37:51 <wilcal> And not on M6?
20:38:13 <tjandrews> Perhaps we need to nudge QA for others with the hardware.
20:38:15 <brian_> I might be able to snag an old nvidia machine for 304.  Want me to try with mga6
20:38:41 <wilcal> ya try m6 with it
20:38:47 <brian_> sure
20:38:48 <tjandrews> 340 is working well in M6, now. For Me.
20:38:54 <wilcal> only so much we can do here
20:39:09 <wilcal> is 304 older then 340?
20:39:10 <tjandrews> Martin is having some trouble with the Lives in Live mode.
20:39:20 <brian_> will it be in the standard m6 repo's or do I need to add another?
20:39:21 <tjandrews> Wilcal: Yes.
20:39:34 <wilcal> Like 10-years old?
20:39:46 <tjandrews> Something like that.
20:40:12 <tjandrews> That was when I bought it, as I recall.
20:40:17 <wilcal> Hmmmm at some point IMO we've got to abandon old hardware. Just my thoughts
20:41:09 <wilcal> You can purchase a newer Nvidia board on newegg for like $50
20:41:13 <wilcal> will that work
20:41:49 <tjandrews> You mentioned that two weeks ago.
20:41:54 <brian_> depends on his MB pins
20:42:12 <brian_> may not be compatible with the old ISA/EISA formats
20:42:15 <wilcal> That's just the way I've been trained
20:42:20 <tjandrews> But since it IS working, and working well at this point, why change?
20:42:43 <brian_> <remember when 4 yrs old was stretching it?>
20:42:58 <wilcal> I'm far more prone to trashing a machine
20:43:35 <wilcal> I see a couple things on the list I can tinker with this weekend
20:43:43 <wilcal> lots of empty time this weeked
20:43:46 <wilcal> weekend
20:44:01 <tjandrews> Comes from being a farmer. I tend to use things 'til they drop.
20:44:15 <lewyssmith> Good policy.
20:44:38 <wilcal> if it works don't fix it
20:44:46 <FarmerBillOhio> baling wire and duck tape
20:44:57 <tjandrews> ;)
20:45:26 <wilcal> anything else here?
20:45:40 <wilcal> test updates if you have time
20:45:59 <lewyssmith> #topic Security roundup - Security news & expected updates
20:46:06 <lewyssmith> ping Luigi12
20:46:27 <lewyssmith> Welcome Ben.
20:46:35 <wilcal> Hi ya Ben
20:46:59 <Benmc> hi
20:47:18 <wilcal> Luigi keeps cranking them out
20:48:05 <lewyssmith> We do not really need his forecasts...
20:48:25 <wilcal> :-)
20:48:38 <wilcal> his forecast are the bugs on the list
20:48:44 <lewyssmith> .How cosy life would be without security updates!
20:49:05 <wilcal> Tell that to Microsoft and Adobe/Flash
20:49:27 <wilcal> #topic Anything Else?
20:49:56 <lewyssmith> Not here. Just advisories.
20:49:59 <wilcal> hopefully the iso team will come back alive by the next meeting
20:50:08 <brian_> nada
20:50:18 <wilcal> The M6 repo looks really really good today
20:50:20 <lewyssmith> I think the team are alive, even if the ISOs are not.
20:51:15 <wilcal> I've not seen any more mention of FOSDEM if anyone is going or not
20:51:57 <lewyssmith> Thanks to those who turned up, & Bill for his usual chairman job. Good bye all.
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