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20:04:54 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: The afternoons 'turn' mid Dec; can start celebrating then.
20:04:56 <wilcal> hello all welcome to another
20:05:11 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:05:21 <wilcal> Anyone new today?
20:05:49 <wilcal> I don't think there's anyone new
20:06:15 <wilcal> #topic M6 How's it looking?
20:06:18 <tjandrews> One of these weeks I'll have to re-invent myself, so I can be new again.
20:06:40 <wilcal> I admit to spending quite a lot of time polishing up my M6 install
20:06:41 <tarazed> Fit for testing.
20:07:22 <wilcal> Ya I did a complete ground up from blank drive install x86_64 nvidea Plasma using boot.iso and it went well
20:07:27 <wilcal> did that on Tues
20:07:29 <tjandrews> The nvidia 340 driver is a pain in the you-know-what.
20:07:49 <wilcal> Share with us the impact of that. How important is it
20:08:15 <lewyssmith> Is this not due to be fixed for next Lives? And I thought *was* fixed for the Classic.
20:08:58 <tjandrews> It was supposed to be, but if you install from the classic installer, the boot fails.
20:08:59 <wilcal> is this for newer nvidia or old
20:09:26 <tjandrews> Oldish. 304 is for the oldest ones.
20:09:38 <wilcal> old as in how old?
20:10:09 <tjandrews> nouveau works OK, but I haven't tried doing much with it that would be a strain.
20:10:29 <lewyssmith> I have done the 64-bit Gnome Live from DVD; only a lot of minor faults.  And a lot more testing to do.
20:10:48 <tjandrews> My card is a Geforce 9800 GT. PCI-e 16.
20:11:07 <tjandrews> It's in the middle of the range for this driver.
20:11:15 <wilcal> I've found that for the most part the nouveau works fine except for Games
20:12:09 <lewyssmith> Do we know why the Classic is not yet out for testing? What is the holdup?
20:12:46 <tjandrews> The boot fails at the module-building step. It was the same for the sta1 iso.
20:13:06 <lewyssmith> Is that bugged?
20:13:43 <tjandrews> Yes. I started one. I was VERY surprised there wasn't one for sta1.
20:13:55 <wilcal> does it install if you don't let it install the proprietary driver?
20:14:26 <tjandrews> There would have been one, but I didn't try sta1 on this machine until this morning.
20:14:32 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: Thanks. I have seen the complaints, many from Charles.
20:15:12 <tjandrews> Yes, if you don't install the proprietary driver, it's OK.
20:15:34 <wilcal> At some point you've got to let this old hardware go
20:16:09 <tjandrews> I don't think it's the driver, as I've updated to the same driver in Mga5, and it's fine. Using it now.
20:16:33 <lewyssmith> -3 We can let it out for testing with that restriction. If that is all, we should. But there is that disc corruption problem.
20:17:07 <wilcal> Ya at this point we're still looking at what works and what does not
20:17:47 <tarazed> Mine is 8100M, 8 years old amd nvidia340 works fine
20:18:07 <lewyssmith> I installed it OK on EFI, AMD/Radeon video, it works.
20:18:14 <tmb> yeah, we should try to get -sta2 out this year if at all possible to not lose more momentum
20:18:20 <wilcal> You can buy a new Nvidia card on Amazon for under $50
20:18:40 <wilcal> $100 gets you quite a good one
20:20:08 <lewyssmith> tmb: The disc corruption thing is a bit deadly to let out to the public. I have forgotten what platforms it happens on.
20:20:26 <tmb> lewyssmith, what disc corruption ?
20:20:47 <wilcal> how would you experience that
20:20:55 <lewyssmith> I shall look for the bug; but if it happens, it is deadly. Hold on.
20:21:19 <tjandrews> This card happened to come with the motherboard I bought used a little over a year ago. Up until MGA6, It's been fine.
20:22:23 <tmb> tjandrews, have you filed a bug ?
20:24:22 <lewyssmith> tmb: Too many e-mails to scan, but Marja (& others) hit it. I think it is to do with mixed GPT/MBR discs. Not advised....
20:25:35 <tjandrews> Bug #19984
20:25:37 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19984 critical, High, kernel, NEW , Installing nvidia 340 driver from the Classical DVD causes boot problems
20:27:32 <wilcal> Well documented tj
20:27:50 <tjandrews> Thank you.
20:27:53 <tarazed> Never had the nouveau driver work
20:28:21 <tarazed> As I understand it it is incompatible with nvidia driver if that is already on the system
20:29:29 <tmb> tarazed, thats why the installer adds "nokmsboot" when using nvidia drivers, as it prevents nouveau to load
20:29:51 <tarazed> rmb: takk bare bra
20:31:13 <tmb> tjandrews, we need the logs to see what happends
20:31:16 <tjandrews> Apparently it's not doing that if I install from MCC, as when I reboot I get a message that "nokmsboot" is needed.
20:32:06 <tmb> tjandrews, can you check if there is a "nokmsboot" on the kernel command line after configuring the nvidia340 driver
20:33:18 <tjandrews> Not right now. That's on the same machine I'm using, different hard drive.
20:34:57 <wilcal> You can swap drives?
20:35:11 <tjandrews> No, I'm dual booting.
20:35:28 <wilcal> All my systems have modular hard drive trays
20:35:46 <wilcal> I've about a dozen drives I can swap in and out
20:37:33 <tjandrews> I'd have to boot into M6 and install the 340 driver first, as the last I left it was without it.
20:37:46 <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
20:37:58 <wilcal> Helo Seb
20:38:27 <brian_> hi
20:38:32 <SebthreeBQM10HD> shame no Mageia 6 release this year in a way, but with mrsb etc less active, makes sense
20:38:34 <SebthreeBQM10HD> I guess
20:38:50 <wilcal> Maybe some new isos to test
20:38:51 <SebthreeBQM10HD> wilcal, hi
20:39:09 <wilcal> usually gets kinda slow between Christmas and New Year
20:39:14 * SebthreeBQM10HD nearly forgot to join here, but hten just rememberd saw the email
20:39:15 <wilcal> kinda like Aug
20:39:38 <wilcal> M6 is pretty close lots of major things got fixed
20:39:46 <wilcal> Auto boot works
20:39:57 * SebthreeBQM10HD isn't as invovled or interested in Mageia as once was to be honest, keep up the good work qa people though
20:40:05 <wilcal> I haven't see the "Good Luck" error in awhile
20:40:05 <brian_> true - now this is my perspective.  We've got a new iso build team, a lot of new development, so learning curves all around
20:40:20 <wilcal> Vbox works on M6
20:40:26 <wilcal> wine is now working
20:40:33 * SebthreeBQM10HD hasn't been in one  of these for ages
20:40:35 <wilcal> Plasma has really settled down
20:40:45 <brian_> yeah - waiting on new builds then see how it goes with old nvidia
20:41:04 <wilcal> I think that's where we are now. Waiting on new isos
20:41:30 <wilcal> anyone have any idea if we see those next week or early in Jan?
20:41:47 <SebthreeBQM10HD> brian_, who is making for isos ?
20:41:55 <wilcal> iso team and anne
20:42:02 <SebthreeBQM10HD> who is the iso team ?
20:42:16 <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah tm b  had to step down from that I Read before or was meant to
20:42:35 <brian_> LOL - I don't know them, but I think it was TMB who built lives and worked with Anne
20:42:45 <brian_> and I gather Anne is very busy in life these days
20:42:58 <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah, but if t m b stepped down form iso building
20:43:00 <SebthreeBQM10HD> and there isn't ar eplacment
20:43:04 <SebthreeBQM10HD> that just leaves anne i guess
20:43:24 <lewyssmith> No; Martine does the Lives - extemely well.
20:43:34 <SebthreeBQM10HD> who's martine ?
20:43:41 * SebthreeBQM10HD hasn't been following Mageia that cloestly recnety
20:43:42 <wilcal> Ya that is working extremely well
20:43:44 <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh martine allene ?
20:43:50 <tjandrews> Martin Whitaker.
20:43:57 <brian_> yes Martine has stepped in
20:44:00 <tarazed> No Martin Whitaker
20:44:00 <SebthreeBQM10HD> no I don't know then
20:44:05 <SebthreeBQM10HD> not sure who that is
20:44:24 <brian_> but I saw a lot of juggling in the springtime
20:44:43 <wilcal> anyway I think we've talked about M6 enough shall we move on?
20:44:45 <brian_> a lot of big learning and Plasma...well it wasn't ready for anthing beyond beta
20:44:55 <SebthreeBQM10HD> how's GNOME :D ?
20:45:06 <brian_> rock solid in my experience
20:45:17 <wilcal> Gnome is really solid right now
20:45:32 <wilcal> lets move on
20:45:34 <brian_> I've banged m6 in gnome and xfce both solid
20:45:34 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates
20:45:40 <SebthreeBQM10HD> going by the past qa people usauly whinea bout GNOME not working :d, but if it's currently in good shape that's great :), as I  put not been following Mageia that closely recently
20:45:47 <wilcal> the list is long
20:46:02 <wilcal> I'll jump on that kernel update today and tomorrow
20:46:09 <brian_> yeah - I attacked two this morning around php
20:46:16 <tarazed> We all should do those
20:46:16 <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes updates updates updates, and I Read ealrier on today, that Mint are actasully  encouraring people not to install security updates hmm
20:46:29 <wilcal> So kinda lets concentrate on updates till year end
20:46:32 <lewyssmith> tmb: Bug 19935 re disc corruption.
20:46:34 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19935 critical, release_blocker, mageiatools, NEW , Custom disk partitioning requests BIOS boot partition on non-GPT disk, creating one and continuing leads to a corrupted partition table and thus unusable disk., drakxtools
20:46:57 <tarazed> Yeah, let's work Christmas Day
20:46:59 <tjandrews> Kernel working well on three different 64-bit machines here.
20:47:25 <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah I see Mageia 6 as the 2016 release really, not sure about the genral progress, but if could get out in Jan at least, that would be nice I guess :)
20:47:31 <wilcal> Used to have a Dir of Marketing and Sales who measured his people on if they could contect customers on Christmas Day
20:47:37 <tmb> lewyssmith, ok, noted
20:48:06 <tmb> SebthreeBQM10HD, we are in qa meeting, no of-topic stuff please
20:48:51 <wilcal> Why is the flash thing being held up
20:49:06 <wilcal> Another pile of xxxx
20:49:33 <lewyssmith> I hope I have finished pre-test head-banging & writing & writing, and get back to updates.
20:49:35 <wilcal> Already websites are complaining about the present flash version
20:50:53 <brian_> I'll see about gstreamer stuff this weekend as well as game music. I think both have exploits in the wild
20:51:05 <tjandrews> The update on the testing repos did not work for 32-bit Firefox. You get sound, no video.
20:51:35 <brian_> yes jeremy clarkson never sounded better ;-)
20:51:37 <tjandrews> I had to install Adobe's NPAPI version before it would work.
20:51:59 <wilcal> Only on 32-bit?
20:52:20 <tjandrews> My 64-bit machines SEEM to be OK.
20:53:01 <wilcal> I've not seen a problem
20:53:44 <lewyssmith> Have you tried VBox 32-bit?
20:53:51 <brian_> on xen 19901 is worked, but brought in a very old Kernel.  I could still work it with new Kernel
20:53:53 <wilcal> Have not
20:53:55 <brian_> should I move th atforward
20:53:59 <tjandrews> I have one site, syracuse.com, where some pages show up as blank. Not sure if that's a flash problem or something else.
20:54:28 <wilcal> double tap the video space and it will allow you to continue with the old flash ver
20:54:57 <wilcal> It all started a couple days ago
20:54:59 <tmb> brian_, I will check the xen package as it also needs a couple more security fixes now
20:55:40 <brian_> ok - I wait
20:55:49 <tjandrews> In my case, updating to our new flash removed the old one, and I couldn't get it back.
20:55:51 <brian_> I'll keep that physical drive for a rebuild
20:56:47 <tjandrews> Neither of the old scripts on the repositories works now, probably because Adobe has moved the old version to the archives.
20:58:47 <tmb> iirc new flash player needs sse2 to work properly, so check with:  cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep sse
20:59:25 <tmb> or grep sse /proc/cpuinfo
20:59:41 <tjandrews> Yep. It went that way when Adobe went to 11.2. This machine is OK with sse2.
21:00:12 <tjandrews> This=That
21:00:19 <lewyssmith> Apart from reminding that we have loads of updates, many not easy, can we move on?
21:00:29 <wilcal> Yup
21:00:35 <lewyssmith> Thanks.
21:00:49 <wilcal> #topic Security Roundup
21:01:10 <lewyssmith> ping Luigi12
21:01:11 <wilcal> Kinda the same thing lots of security updates to be done
21:01:52 <wilcal> ping Luigi12
21:02:19 <wilcal> he's still not around :-(
21:02:40 <wilcal> we're still get'n security updates to test
21:02:59 <lewyssmith> Well, the updates list is suffucient evidenc of his ongoing activity!
21:03:13 <wilcal> yup
21:03:17 <wilcal> Lets move on
21:03:30 <wilcal> #topic Anything Else?
21:03:37 <lewyssmith> Not here.
21:03:40 <brian_> nada
21:03:50 <wilcal> I need to report that I may have stumbled into a serious problem
21:03:57 <wilcal> so
21:04:29 <wilcal> Up until a couple weeks ago I was able to access European servers/websites with no problem
21:04:43 <wilcal> then everything slowed down to a crawl
21:04:51 <wilcal> ports 21 & 80
21:05:14 <wilcal> Fastest speed I can get async'n isos from France is 56kb at best
21:05:44 <wilcal> in fact almost any ftp or html in Europe I'm pretty dead in the water.
21:05:53 <brian_> ouch
21:06:03 <lewyssmith> Just you, or generally in the USA?
21:06:10 <wilcal> In can go to Australia, China, Taiwan, Japan and get plenty of speed from there
21:06:32 <wilcal> Always from here in Surf City USA ( San Diego )
21:06:44 <wilcal> I'm working with AT&T to find the problem
21:06:49 <wilcal> It may not be AT&T
21:07:11 <brian_> I haven't tried a sync in a week.  I did notice less bandwidth but assumed Xmas shopping on the major trunks
21:07:14 <wilcal> so for now if there's any pretesting of ISOs I can't really get to them
21:07:29 <lewyssmith> Do you know others who suffer? Europe -> USA seems normal.
21:07:36 <wilcal> I hear others on other providors are see'n the same thing
21:07:46 <brian_> min is no where that bad, but is slower
21:07:48 <wilcal> It smells like throttling
21:07:57 <brian_> I'm not an AT&T customer
21:08:05 <wilcal> 56Kb like old dialup is best speed I can get
21:08:06 <brian_> yes it does wilcal
21:08:22 <tmb> wilcal, have you tried to force either ipv4 or ipv6 to see if it makes any difference
21:08:41 <lewyssmith> How do you do that?
21:08:48 <wilcal> Some websites in Europe broadcast American Sports events and I smell throttling of everything
21:09:13 <wilcal> ipv6 don't work on AT&T Uverse yet
21:09:28 <wilcal> mirrors.kernel.org is lighting fast
21:10:01 <tmb> wilcal, ah, ok, nothing to test then..n
21:10:03 <wilcal> So AT&T has been pretty quite on this and not admitting to anything
21:10:18 <wilcal> Throttling here in the States is illegal
21:10:26 <wilcal> and I think they are throttling
21:10:27 <tjandrews> My ISP gets his bandwidth from Verizon. I haven't noticed any slowdown. Well, except for one day because of a local power outage.
21:10:51 <wilcal> they want you to purchase the sports channel not watch it on a German TV website
21:11:15 <lewyssmith> Is that a real reason? It is silly.
21:11:17 <wilcal> anyway wanted to share that if you run into it
21:11:36 <brian_> thx  - have you done a traceroute?
21:11:58 <wilcal> I've not gotten that deep into it
21:12:08 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Bill, see whether other nearby people using different ISPs see the same thing.
21:12:20 <brian_> that might help with communicating to At&T.  They maybe running you through an old man's dial-up on the way to France
21:12:23 <wilcal> Obviously if the website is buffered here in the states no problem
21:13:05 <wilcal> Me and AT&T are go'n round and round daily on this one. No feed back from them on if they are seeing it or anything
21:13:20 <wilcal> completely silent feedback
21:13:39 <wilcal> They're throttling everything I think
21:13:46 <wilcal> everything fromEurope
21:14:11 <lewyssmith> I have my own problem of my ISP having a mail server blackilisted. Reported all the details; no reply after 10 days.
21:14:15 <wilcal> You get a burst of data for a sec or so, then fold back to 56k then in about 10sec thie line goes dead
21:14:25 <tmb> wilcal, start complaining to them every day :)
21:14:48 <brian_> yes maybe  - traceroute it and provide that info.  They're a pain for commercial clients as well
21:14:56 <wilcal> so you can get to a stable website and it displays but any streaming data and the line will go dead
21:15:33 <wilcal> anyway just wanted to share this if anyone runs into it
21:15:39 <wilcal> anything else
21:15:59 <wilcal> get on the updates
21:16:14 <wilcal> as best you can with the holidays
21:16:32 <brian_> Happy Holidays all
21:16:32 <wilcal> Count down
21:16:35 <lewyssmith> I'm off. Goodbye everyone, thanks for coming. Good Yule if it is your thing.
21:16:38 <wilcal> T-5
21:16:45 <wilcal> T-4
21:16:49 <tarazed> Bye all
21:16:53 <wilcal> Bye all happy Christmas Day
21:16:57 <wilcal> T-3
21:17:03 <wilcal> T-2
21:17:17 <wilcal> T-1
21:17:19 <wilcal> #endmeeting