20:04:46 <wilcal> #startmeeting 20:04:46 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu Dec 22 20:04:46 2016 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:04:46 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:04:54 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: The afternoons 'turn' mid Dec; can start celebrating then. 20:04:56 <wilcal> hello all welcome to another 20:05:11 <wilcal> #topic Who's new? 20:05:21 <wilcal> Anyone new today? 20:05:49 <wilcal> I don't think there's anyone new 20:06:15 <wilcal> #topic M6 How's it looking? 20:06:18 <tjandrews> One of these weeks I'll have to re-invent myself, so I can be new again. 20:06:40 <wilcal> I admit to spending quite a lot of time polishing up my M6 install 20:06:41 <tarazed> Fit for testing. 20:07:22 <wilcal> Ya I did a complete ground up from blank drive install x86_64 nvidea Plasma using boot.iso and it went well 20:07:27 <wilcal> did that on Tues 20:07:29 <tjandrews> The nvidia 340 driver is a pain in the you-know-what. 20:07:49 <wilcal> Share with us the impact of that. How important is it 20:08:15 <lewyssmith> Is this not due to be fixed for next Lives? And I thought *was* fixed for the Classic. 20:08:58 <tjandrews> It was supposed to be, but if you install from the classic installer, the boot fails. 20:08:59 <wilcal> is this for newer nvidia or old 20:09:26 <tjandrews> Oldish. 304 is for the oldest ones. 20:09:38 <wilcal> old as in how old? 20:10:09 <tjandrews> nouveau works OK, but I haven't tried doing much with it that would be a strain. 20:10:29 <lewyssmith> I have done the 64-bit Gnome Live from DVD; only a lot of minor faults. And a lot more testing to do. 20:10:48 <tjandrews> My card is a Geforce 9800 GT. PCI-e 16. 20:11:07 <tjandrews> It's in the middle of the range for this driver. 20:11:15 <wilcal> I've found that for the most part the nouveau works fine except for Games 20:12:09 <lewyssmith> Do we know why the Classic is not yet out for testing? What is the holdup? 20:12:46 <tjandrews> The boot fails at the module-building step. It was the same for the sta1 iso. 20:13:06 <lewyssmith> Is that bugged? 20:13:43 <tjandrews> Yes. I started one. I was VERY surprised there wasn't one for sta1. 20:13:55 <wilcal> does it install if you don't let it install the proprietary driver? 20:14:26 <tjandrews> There would have been one, but I didn't try sta1 on this machine until this morning. 20:14:32 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: Thanks. I have seen the complaints, many from Charles. 20:15:12 <tjandrews> Yes, if you don't install the proprietary driver, it's OK. 20:15:34 <wilcal> At some point you've got to let this old hardware go 20:16:09 <tjandrews> I don't think it's the driver, as I've updated to the same driver in Mga5, and it's fine. Using it now. 20:16:33 <lewyssmith> -3 We can let it out for testing with that restriction. If that is all, we should. But there is that disc corruption problem. 20:17:07 <wilcal> Ya at this point we're still looking at what works and what does not 20:17:47 <tarazed> Mine is 8100M, 8 years old amd nvidia340 works fine 20:18:07 <lewyssmith> I installed it OK on EFI, AMD/Radeon video, it works. 20:18:14 <tmb> yeah, we should try to get -sta2 out this year if at all possible to not lose more momentum 20:18:20 <wilcal> You can buy a new Nvidia card on Amazon for under $50 20:18:40 <wilcal> $100 gets you quite a good one 20:20:08 <lewyssmith> tmb: The disc corruption thing is a bit deadly to let out to the public. I have forgotten what platforms it happens on. 20:20:26 <tmb> lewyssmith, what disc corruption ? 20:20:47 <wilcal> how would you experience that 20:20:55 <lewyssmith> I shall look for the bug; but if it happens, it is deadly. Hold on. 20:21:19 <tjandrews> This card happened to come with the motherboard I bought used a little over a year ago. Up until MGA6, It's been fine. 20:22:23 <tmb> tjandrews, have you filed a bug ? 20:24:22 <lewyssmith> tmb: Too many e-mails to scan, but Marja (& others) hit it. I think it is to do with mixed GPT/MBR discs. Not advised.... 20:25:35 <tjandrews> Bug #19984 20:25:37 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19984 critical, High, kernel, NEW , Installing nvidia 340 driver from the Classical DVD causes boot problems 20:27:32 <wilcal> Well documented tj 20:27:50 <tjandrews> Thank you. 20:27:53 <tarazed> Never had the nouveau driver work 20:28:21 <tarazed> As I understand it it is incompatible with nvidia driver if that is already on the system 20:29:29 <tmb> tarazed, thats why the installer adds "nokmsboot" when using nvidia drivers, as it prevents nouveau to load 20:29:51 <tarazed> rmb: takk bare bra 20:31:13 <tmb> tjandrews, we need the logs to see what happends 20:31:16 <tjandrews> Apparently it's not doing that if I install from MCC, as when I reboot I get a message that "nokmsboot" is needed. 20:32:06 <tmb> tjandrews, can you check if there is a "nokmsboot" on the kernel command line after configuring the nvidia340 driver 20:33:18 <tjandrews> Not right now. That's on the same machine I'm using, different hard drive. 20:34:57 <wilcal> You can swap drives? 20:35:11 <tjandrews> No, I'm dual booting. 20:35:28 <wilcal> All my systems have modular hard drive trays 20:35:46 <wilcal> I've about a dozen drives I can swap in and out 20:37:33 <tjandrews> I'd have to boot into M6 and install the 340 driver first, as the last I left it was without it. 20:37:46 <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi 20:37:58 <wilcal> Helo Seb 20:38:27 <brian_> hi 20:38:32 <SebthreeBQM10HD> shame no Mageia 6 release this year in a way, but with mrsb etc less active, makes sense 20:38:34 <SebthreeBQM10HD> I guess 20:38:50 <wilcal> Maybe some new isos to test 20:38:51 <SebthreeBQM10HD> wilcal, hi 20:39:09 <wilcal> usually gets kinda slow between Christmas and New Year 20:39:14 * SebthreeBQM10HD nearly forgot to join here, but hten just rememberd saw the email 20:39:15 <wilcal> kinda like Aug 20:39:38 <wilcal> M6 is pretty close lots of major things got fixed 20:39:46 <wilcal> Auto boot works 20:39:57 * SebthreeBQM10HD isn't as invovled or interested in Mageia as once was to be honest, keep up the good work qa people though 20:40:05 <wilcal> I haven't see the "Good Luck" error in awhile 20:40:05 <brian_> true - now this is my perspective. We've got a new iso build team, a lot of new development, so learning curves all around 20:40:20 <wilcal> Vbox works on M6 20:40:26 <wilcal> wine is now working 20:40:33 * SebthreeBQM10HD hasn't been in one of these for ages 20:40:35 <wilcal> Plasma has really settled down 20:40:45 <brian_> yeah - waiting on new builds then see how it goes with old nvidia 20:41:04 <wilcal> I think that's where we are now. Waiting on new isos 20:41:30 <wilcal> anyone have any idea if we see those next week or early in Jan? 20:41:47 <SebthreeBQM10HD> brian_, who is making for isos ? 20:41:55 <wilcal> iso team and anne 20:42:02 <SebthreeBQM10HD> who is the iso team ? 20:42:16 <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah tm b had to step down from that I Read before or was meant to 20:42:35 <brian_> LOL - I don't know them, but I think it was TMB who built lives and worked with Anne 20:42:45 <brian_> and I gather Anne is very busy in life these days 20:42:58 <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah, but if t m b stepped down form iso building 20:43:00 <SebthreeBQM10HD> and there isn't ar eplacment 20:43:04 <SebthreeBQM10HD> that just leaves anne i guess 20:43:24 <lewyssmith> No; Martine does the Lives - extemely well. 20:43:34 <SebthreeBQM10HD> who's martine ? 20:43:41 * SebthreeBQM10HD hasn't been following Mageia that cloestly recnety 20:43:42 <wilcal> Ya that is working extremely well 20:43:44 <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh martine allene ? 20:43:50 <tjandrews> Martin Whitaker. 20:43:57 <brian_> yes Martine has stepped in 20:44:00 <tarazed> No Martin Whitaker 20:44:00 <SebthreeBQM10HD> no I don't know then 20:44:05 <SebthreeBQM10HD> not sure who that is 20:44:24 <brian_> but I saw a lot of juggling in the springtime 20:44:43 <wilcal> anyway I think we've talked about M6 enough shall we move on? 20:44:45 <brian_> a lot of big learning and Plasma...well it wasn't ready for anthing beyond beta 20:44:55 <SebthreeBQM10HD> how's GNOME :D ? 20:45:06 <brian_> rock solid in my experience 20:45:17 <wilcal> Gnome is really solid right now 20:45:32 <wilcal> lets move on 20:45:34 <brian_> I've banged m6 in gnome and xfce both solid 20:45:34 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates 20:45:40 <SebthreeBQM10HD> going by the past qa people usauly whinea bout GNOME not working :d, but if it's currently in good shape that's great :), as I put not been following Mageia that closely recently 20:45:47 <wilcal> the list is long 20:46:02 <wilcal> I'll jump on that kernel update today and tomorrow 20:46:09 <brian_> yeah - I attacked two this morning around php 20:46:16 <tarazed> We all should do those 20:46:16 <SebthreeBQM10HD> yes updates updates updates, and I Read ealrier on today, that Mint are actasully encouraring people not to install security updates hmm 20:46:29 <wilcal> So kinda lets concentrate on updates till year end 20:46:32 <lewyssmith> tmb: Bug 19935 re disc corruption. 20:46:34 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19935 critical, release_blocker, mageiatools, NEW , Custom disk partitioning requests BIOS boot partition on non-GPT disk, creating one and continuing leads to a corrupted partition table and thus unusable disk., drakxtools 20:46:57 <tarazed> Yeah, let's work Christmas Day 20:46:59 <tjandrews> Kernel working well on three different 64-bit machines here. 20:47:25 <SebthreeBQM10HD> yeah I see Mageia 6 as the 2016 release really, not sure about the genral progress, but if could get out in Jan at least, that would be nice I guess :) 20:47:31 <wilcal> Used to have a Dir of Marketing and Sales who measured his people on if they could contect customers on Christmas Day 20:47:37 <tmb> lewyssmith, ok, noted 20:48:06 <tmb> SebthreeBQM10HD, we are in qa meeting, no of-topic stuff please 20:48:51 <wilcal> Why is the flash thing being held up 20:49:06 <wilcal> Another pile of xxxx 20:49:33 <lewyssmith> I hope I have finished pre-test head-banging & writing & writing, and get back to updates. 20:49:35 <wilcal> Already websites are complaining about the present flash version 20:50:53 <brian_> I'll see about gstreamer stuff this weekend as well as game music. I think both have exploits in the wild 20:51:05 <tjandrews> The update on the testing repos did not work for 32-bit Firefox. You get sound, no video. 20:51:35 <brian_> yes jeremy clarkson never sounded better ;-) 20:51:37 <tjandrews> I had to install Adobe's NPAPI version before it would work. 20:51:59 <wilcal> Only on 32-bit? 20:52:20 <tjandrews> My 64-bit machines SEEM to be OK. 20:53:01 <wilcal> I've not seen a problem 20:53:44 <lewyssmith> Have you tried VBox 32-bit? 20:53:51 <brian_> on xen 19901 is worked, but brought in a very old Kernel. I could still work it with new Kernel 20:53:53 <wilcal> Have not 20:53:55 <brian_> should I move th atforward 20:53:59 <tjandrews> I have one site, syracuse.com, where some pages show up as blank. Not sure if that's a flash problem or something else. 20:54:28 <wilcal> double tap the video space and it will allow you to continue with the old flash ver 20:54:57 <wilcal> It all started a couple days ago 20:54:59 <tmb> brian_, I will check the xen package as it also needs a couple more security fixes now 20:55:40 <brian_> ok - I wait 20:55:49 <tjandrews> In my case, updating to our new flash removed the old one, and I couldn't get it back. 20:55:51 <brian_> I'll keep that physical drive for a rebuild 20:56:47 <tjandrews> Neither of the old scripts on the repositories works now, probably because Adobe has moved the old version to the archives. 20:58:47 <tmb> iirc new flash player needs sse2 to work properly, so check with: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep sse 20:59:25 <tmb> or grep sse /proc/cpuinfo 20:59:41 <tjandrews> Yep. It went that way when Adobe went to 11.2. This machine is OK with sse2. 21:00:12 <tjandrews> This=That 21:00:19 <lewyssmith> Apart from reminding that we have loads of updates, many not easy, can we move on? 21:00:29 <wilcal> Yup 21:00:35 <lewyssmith> Thanks. 21:00:49 <wilcal> #topic Security Roundup 21:01:10 <lewyssmith> ping Luigi12 21:01:11 <wilcal> Kinda the same thing lots of security updates to be done 21:01:52 <wilcal> ping Luigi12 21:02:19 <wilcal> he's still not around :-( 21:02:40 <wilcal> we're still get'n security updates to test 21:02:59 <lewyssmith> Well, the updates list is suffucient evidenc of his ongoing activity! 21:03:13 <wilcal> yup 21:03:17 <wilcal> Lets move on 21:03:30 <wilcal> #topic Anything Else? 21:03:37 <lewyssmith> Not here. 21:03:40 <brian_> nada 21:03:50 <wilcal> I need to report that I may have stumbled into a serious problem 21:03:57 <wilcal> so 21:04:29 <wilcal> Up until a couple weeks ago I was able to access European servers/websites with no problem 21:04:43 <wilcal> then everything slowed down to a crawl 21:04:51 <wilcal> ports 21 & 80 21:05:14 <wilcal> Fastest speed I can get async'n isos from France is 56kb at best 21:05:44 <wilcal> in fact almost any ftp or html in Europe I'm pretty dead in the water. 21:05:53 <brian_> ouch 21:06:03 <lewyssmith> Just you, or generally in the USA? 21:06:10 <wilcal> In can go to Australia, China, Taiwan, Japan and get plenty of speed from there 21:06:32 <wilcal> Always from here in Surf City USA ( San Diego ) 21:06:44 <wilcal> I'm working with AT&T to find the problem 21:06:49 <wilcal> It may not be AT&T 21:07:11 <brian_> I haven't tried a sync in a week. I did notice less bandwidth but assumed Xmas shopping on the major trunks 21:07:14 <wilcal> so for now if there's any pretesting of ISOs I can't really get to them 21:07:29 <lewyssmith> Do you know others who suffer? Europe -> USA seems normal. 21:07:36 <wilcal> I hear others on other providors are see'n the same thing 21:07:46 <brian_> min is no where that bad, but is slower 21:07:48 <wilcal> It smells like throttling 21:07:57 <brian_> I'm not an AT&T customer 21:08:05 <wilcal> 56Kb like old dialup is best speed I can get 21:08:06 <brian_> yes it does wilcal 21:08:22 <tmb> wilcal, have you tried to force either ipv4 or ipv6 to see if it makes any difference 21:08:41 <lewyssmith> How do you do that? 21:08:48 <wilcal> Some websites in Europe broadcast American Sports events and I smell throttling of everything 21:09:13 <wilcal> ipv6 don't work on AT&T Uverse yet 21:09:28 <wilcal> mirrors.kernel.org is lighting fast 21:10:01 <tmb> wilcal, ah, ok, nothing to test then..n 21:10:03 <wilcal> So AT&T has been pretty quite on this and not admitting to anything 21:10:18 <wilcal> Throttling here in the States is illegal 21:10:26 <wilcal> and I think they are throttling 21:10:27 <tjandrews> My ISP gets his bandwidth from Verizon. I haven't noticed any slowdown. Well, except for one day because of a local power outage. 21:10:51 <wilcal> they want you to purchase the sports channel not watch it on a German TV website 21:11:15 <lewyssmith> Is that a real reason? It is silly. 21:11:17 <wilcal> anyway wanted to share that if you run into it 21:11:36 <brian_> thx - have you done a traceroute? 21:11:58 <wilcal> I've not gotten that deep into it 21:12:08 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Bill, see whether other nearby people using different ISPs see the same thing. 21:12:20 <brian_> that might help with communicating to At&T. They maybe running you through an old man's dial-up on the way to France 21:12:23 <wilcal> Obviously if the website is buffered here in the states no problem 21:13:05 <wilcal> Me and AT&T are go'n round and round daily on this one. No feed back from them on if they are seeing it or anything 21:13:20 <wilcal> completely silent feedback 21:13:39 <wilcal> They're throttling everything I think 21:13:46 <wilcal> everything fromEurope 21:14:11 <lewyssmith> I have my own problem of my ISP having a mail server blackilisted. Reported all the details; no reply after 10 days. 21:14:15 <wilcal> You get a burst of data for a sec or so, then fold back to 56k then in about 10sec thie line goes dead 21:14:25 <tmb> wilcal, start complaining to them every day :) 21:14:48 <brian_> yes maybe - traceroute it and provide that info. They're a pain for commercial clients as well 21:14:56 <wilcal> so you can get to a stable website and it displays but any streaming data and the line will go dead 21:15:33 <wilcal> anyway just wanted to share this if anyone runs into it 21:15:39 <wilcal> anything else 21:15:59 <wilcal> get on the updates 21:16:14 <wilcal> as best you can with the holidays 21:16:32 <brian_> Happy Holidays all 21:16:32 <wilcal> Count down 21:16:35 <lewyssmith> I'm off. Goodbye everyone, thanks for coming. Good Yule if it is your thing. 21:16:38 <wilcal> T-5 21:16:45 <wilcal> T-4 21:16:49 <tarazed> Bye all 21:16:53 <wilcal> Bye all happy Christmas Day 21:16:57 <wilcal> T-3 21:17:03 <wilcal> T-2 21:17:17 <wilcal> T-1 21:17:19 <wilcal> #endmeeting