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20:04:42 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
20:04:42 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
20:04:52 <wilcal> Welcome to another one
20:05:00 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Bill, please be Dave tonight. I am screen-weary.
20:05:02 <wilcal> And no more M5.1 :-))
20:05:24 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
20:05:29 <wilcal> anyone new here
20:06:03 <wilcal> does not look like it
20:06:20 <wilcal> #topic M6 How's it looking?
20:06:31 <wilcal> Anyone tinkering with M6?
20:06:33 <ennael> hi there just in time
20:06:40 <wilcal> Hi ya anne
20:06:56 <lewyssmith> I have seen very little on qa-discuss. Is this a good or a bad sign?
20:06:57 <wilcal> Arrived at the right time. Where are we at with M6
20:07:04 <lewyssmith> ennael: Bonsoir Anne.
20:07:40 <brian_> installed 64bit gnome from live USB and after bringing up live session.
20:08:07 <brian_> with live session the install errored on grub2 step
20:08:17 <tjandrews> Maybe everyone is breathless, waiting for the Classicals. (Ducking, before Anne hits me.)
20:08:25 <brian_> rebooted and ran from same media - but straight install and it worked
20:08:28 <ennael> :)
20:08:39 <ennael> ok short resume about classical isos
20:08:58 <brian_> so and oddball there.  Thoughts?
20:09:06 <brian_> and = an odd issue
20:09:11 <ennael> it's a long time now we should have started but stage2 was really really badly broken
20:09:17 <lewyssmith> brian_: Is it not the documented fault?
20:09:33 <brian_> I thought I'd seen it before.  Now experienced it myself
20:09:40 <brian_> from someone else
20:09:42 <brian_> still happening
20:10:12 <ennael> first fix on packages step broke progression bar
20:10:24 <wilcal> :-((
20:10:38 <ennael> and also adding a perl module broke summary step
20:11:03 <ennael> all in one that was quite a nightmare and tv and pterjan did a great job on it
20:11:15 <ennael> it's now all fixed but in between KDE was all updated :)
20:11:32 <ennael> so for now we have still some issues and as an example kmail cannot be installed
20:11:58 <ennael> so I'm working with neoclust to get some fixes as soon as possible
20:12:13 <ennael> we had also nvidia drivers finally
20:12:16 <ennael> and some updates on kernel
20:12:26 <wilcal> something to look at before next qa meeting?
20:12:30 <ennael> so very busy but frustrating ti release isos :)
20:12:36 <lewyssmith> Silly question, but what was wrong with stage2 before it got broken?
20:12:39 <brian_> wow
20:12:53 <ennael> lewyssmith: some updates to be done
20:13:27 <lewyssmith> BTW I have just put up a PAD for pre-testing. Circulated.
20:13:54 <lewyssmith> So we are ready for you!
20:14:22 <ennael> I will build isos as soon as KDE is ok
20:14:30 <wilcal> should help get things launched quickly
20:15:13 <lewyssmith> Rather wait a bit for a better product than rush in with known problems.
20:16:24 <tjandrews> Has the problem where the "Plasma" button doesn't install all the needed packages been fixed yet?
20:16:49 <tjandrews> Too lazy to look up the bug #.
20:19:01 <wilcal> so it's a maybe by next qa meeting?
20:20:17 <tjandrews> There it is. Bug #18978.
20:20:19 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18978 normal, release_blocker, isobuild, NEW , Firefox missing from classic installs
20:20:59 <lewyssmith> That was explained as 'you already have a browser' (Konqueror?).
20:21:08 <Benmc> (Hello all)
20:21:14 <lewyssmith> Hello Ben.
20:21:19 <wilcal> Hello
20:21:35 <tjandrews> Hi, Ben.
20:21:51 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: Not that that is a good reason not to install Firefox.
20:22:53 <lewyssmith> What is happening with the new Live ISOs out there for testing?
20:22:58 <tjandrews> lewyssmith: If you select "Custom," then the Plasma DE, it is installed.
20:23:16 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: I recall that.
20:23:20 <wilcal> define what "Plasma DE" is
20:23:33 <lewyssmith> Not now!
20:24:45 <wilcal> I try an m6 boot.iso install every couple days. Todays didn't go so well.
20:24:47 <tjandrews> On the next page after Custom, you are given the chance to select a DE. In the past, KDE was selected as a default. Now, nothing is selected.
20:25:21 <tjandrews> As of the last Classical iso.
20:25:48 <lewyssmith> wilcal: What problem?
20:26:39 <wilcal> Install went well then hung on the reboot
20:26:49 <lewyssmith> Oh dear.
20:26:54 <wilcal> I don't put much stock in these things at this stage
20:27:08 <wilcal> repo is moving quite a lot
20:27:29 <wilcal> I've an M6 install that's pretty stable and we have the new live media
20:27:34 <wilcal> and new isos soon
20:27:43 <wilcal> so opening a bug would be premature
20:27:51 <Pharaoh_Atem> so far, I've had a pretty solid experience with M6 since squashing the prefdm bugs
20:28:08 <wilcal> ya the one install I have is pretty good
20:28:20 <Pharaoh_Atem> I've got around 8 now
20:28:22 <lewyssmith> Pharaoh_Atem: Are they really largely gone? That would be great.
20:28:26 <wilcal> I've a problem with VLC that I'm trying to work out
20:28:33 <wilcal> a sig fault
20:28:36 <Pharaoh_Atem> lewyssmith: I don't encounter them at all anymore
20:29:08 <lewyssmith> That was the sword of Damocles over our heads.
20:29:12 <Pharaoh_Atem> yes
20:29:50 <Pharaoh_Atem> aside from how enormously bloated our default Plasma install is (and yet doesn't have firefox!), it's been super-solid
20:30:08 <wilcal> ya it's pretty good
20:30:32 <Pharaoh_Atem> I've been hammering away at DNF and PackageKit issues, and testing that along with using plasma-nm, since net-applet and mgaonline have been broken for the entire development cycle
20:31:04 <Pharaoh_Atem> plasma-pk-updates is a solid replacement for the regular updater widget
20:31:26 <wilcal> nice
20:31:39 <Pharaoh_Atem> and plasma-nm Just Works
20:32:49 <Pharaoh_Atem> if we want to switch out mgaonline and net-applet in Plasma like we (accidentally) did in GNOME, I think we'd have a winning experience
20:33:34 <lewyssmith> We are in your hands.
20:33:45 <Pharaoh_Atem> the only remaining issue from a software management point of view is this one: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18669
20:33:46 <[mbot> Bug 18669: major, release_blocker, tmb, NEW , Generate and provide AppStream repodata for GNOME Software and Plasma Discover
20:34:11 <Pharaoh_Atem> for now, gnome software and plasma discover remain useless because they have nothing to populate
20:34:42 <Pharaoh_Atem> updating the system works, but discovering apps to install does not
20:35:23 <lewyssmith> And for other desktops?
20:37:01 <lewyssmith> Looks like we can move on, Bill.
20:37:27 <Pharaoh_Atem> other desktops have networkmanager applets that work too
20:37:35 <Pharaoh_Atem> but as far as packagekit frontends, I don't know
20:37:47 <Pharaoh_Atem> anaselli and I are working on dnfdragora, but we don't have it in Cauldron/mga6 yet
20:38:04 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates & Backports
20:38:05 <Pharaoh_Atem> there are still some things to work out, but anaselli has more details on that than I
20:38:23 <wilcal> List is moderate but somewhat in control
20:38:48 <wilcal> A little break here in m6 i should be able to get back to that
20:39:31 <lewyssmith> The updates list is in a bad state: long & neglected. We have been diverted by Live ISOs, but now we must attack that list. And many are not easy.
20:40:18 <lewyssmith> No point in going through them here.
20:40:20 <wilcal> the roundcubemail thing I think is an install ok and it's ol
20:40:21 <wilcal> ok
20:40:39 <wilcal> no I have some time this weekend
20:41:20 <lewyssmith> It will make a change for me from writing!
20:41:31 <wilcal> #topic Security Roundup
20:41:45 <wilcal> Luigi can't get on line I guess
20:41:45 <lewyssmith> ping Luigi12
20:41:56 <rindolf> hi all
20:41:56 <wilcal> lets see if he can
20:42:03 <wilcal> hi rin
20:42:08 <lewyssmith> He is logged in.
20:42:44 <brian_> just need input on xen.  I was able to make it work  https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19901
20:42:45 <[mbot> Bug 19901: critical, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , xen security issues
20:42:46 <rindolf> wilcal: hi
20:43:52 <lewyssmith> brian_: This is very courageous- xen! If you want developer feedback, put 'feedback' in the Whiteboard.
20:45:02 <youpburden> I'm testing wireshark atm, I will post the results tonight
20:45:24 <wilcal> wireshark is cool
20:45:47 <wilcal> got it on this laptop and took it to the local library :-)
20:45:58 <lewyssmith> Excellent. It is normally not bad to test, even if you prove nothing.
20:46:21 <wilcal> it's very widely used
20:47:04 <brian_> :lewyssmith - oh that's what I need to do
20:47:15 <lewyssmith> youpburden: Je te dois une réponse; demain.
20:47:41 <lewyssmith> brian_: feedback greys the bug.
20:47:46 <wilcal> anything else on this?
20:48:08 <wilcal> we can move on to Anything Else
20:48:14 <lewyssmith> Agree.
20:48:24 <wilcal> #topic Anything Else?
20:48:42 <wilcal> How we do'n sync'n up to the new server?
20:48:56 <wilcal> I have a noticeable slow down
20:49:09 <wilcal> on the prerelease isos
20:49:31 <lewyssmith> I only ever get <500Kb, so might not notice a slowdon.
20:49:59 <tjandrews> I'm even slower on my best day.
20:50:08 <wilcal> 200 -> 400 is about what I get now. Used to be about twice that
20:50:22 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Bill, are you sure you were updating rather than downloading by accident?
20:50:32 <brian_> you're talking rsync with mga6 entities right?
20:50:33 <wilcal> no biggee just gotta plan
20:50:37 <wilcal> yes
20:50:47 <wilcal> lately it's the whole thing
20:51:00 <wilcal> I watch the data rate not what I'm downloading
20:51:10 <lewyssmith> Well, download speed is the same either way. So we agree!
20:51:11 <wilcal> it's noticeably slower
20:51:16 <brian_> hmm - sometimes its that slow, but like this morning I was getting in the area of 3.6MbS
20:51:41 <brian_> is it a VM server?
20:51:43 <wilcal> if I sync with mirrors.kernel.org I'm at that and a little more
20:51:59 <brian_> so did we go to virtual?
20:52:37 <wilcal> the world is going cloud
20:52:52 <lewyssmith> Different topic allowed now?
20:52:56 <wilcal> yes
20:53:00 <lewyssmith> Does anyone know how to uncolour PADs?
20:53:03 <wilcal> Anything else section
20:53:22 <wilcal> I don't know how to do that
20:53:34 <lewyssmith> I have seen it described, but forgotten where.
20:53:39 <Benmc> lewyssmith: done
20:53:55 <lewyssmith> ! ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME LATER?
20:54:10 <lewyssmith> Sorry for the caps; crummy k/b.
20:54:30 <Benmc> sorry- deaf in that ear now
20:55:01 <wilcal> Anything else else??
20:55:05 <lewyssmith> Nothing more from me, except *please* look at updates.
20:55:13 <brian_> nada
20:55:22 <wilcal> Ya back to the updates for now
20:55:40 <Benmc> lewyssmith: if you wait after the meeting I ill explain...
20:55:46 <wilcal> into the count down
20:55:49 <wilcal> T-5
20:55:50 <lewyssmith> e-mail?
20:55:57 <Benmc> ok
20:56:05 <wilcal> T-4
20:56:05 <lewyssmith> Thanks, I am tired.
20:56:12 <wilcal> T-3
20:56:16 <wilcal> T-2
20:56:22 <wilcal> T-1
20:56:25 <wilcal> Thanks all
20:56:27 <wilcal> #endmeeting