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20:02:48 <wilcal> Welcome all to another
20:03:13 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
20:03:13 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
20:03:21 <lewyssmith> Do you want me to be Dave, or you to do it all?
20:03:30 <wilcal> your Dave :-))
20:03:43 <lewyssmith> #topic Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello
20:03:58 <wilcal> Anyone new?
20:04:20 <wilcal> Son are you new?
20:04:48 <lewyssmith> WE have seen him before, I think.
20:04:55 <wilcal> k
20:05:14 <wilcal> We should move on to the subject of the day
20:05:25 <wilcal> #topic M5.1
20:05:26 <lewyssmith> I have been talking with youpburden.
20:06:02 <wilcal> M5.1 should be out the door in the next day or so. Any objections or hold your peace?
20:06:41 <lewyssmith> The product is fine. I was unsure about the Release Notes & Errate, but think they got done.
20:06:53 <tjandrews> None here. (Anne breathes a deep sigh of relief.)
20:07:11 <wilcal> M5 installs just fine using the boot.iso released when if first came out
20:07:19 <ennael> http://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/mirrors/Mageia/iso/5.1/
20:07:20 <[mbot> [ Index of /mirrors/Mageia/iso/5.1 ]
20:07:48 <wilcal> The latest 5.1 CI isos are golden
20:08:10 <wilcal> no objections anne
20:08:17 <wilcal> It's outta here
20:08:24 <brian__> agreed
20:08:52 <wilcal> biggest accomplishment IMO is the establishment of the iso team
20:09:27 <lewyssmith> Mrtin did a fantastic job.
20:09:32 <lewyssmith> Martin
20:09:36 <DavidWHodgins> Sorry for being late. Been sick for the last week, and I've been having connection problems too
20:09:37 <wilcal> #chair DavidWHodgins
20:09:37 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins lewyssmith wilcal
20:09:46 <wilcal> no problema
20:10:05 <wilcal> Martin really established himself
20:10:11 <DavidWHodgins> I've done very little, not even keeping up with mailing lists this week. 5.1 is ok to go from what I've seen
20:10:38 <lewyssmith> I think there is nothing more to say from QA about 5.1. We did our job.
20:11:14 <wilcal> you got it anne no objection from QA out the door it goes
20:11:33 <ennael> thanks for the big work from QA
20:11:36 <DavidWHodgins> I did not get around to updating errata/release notes. Saw on ml that it seems to be taken care of.
20:11:55 <ennael> btw just as a notcie
20:11:57 <ennael> notice
20:12:08 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: Thanks for all the work getting 5.1 ready
20:12:15 <lewyssmith> TJ's approbation is not easily won!
20:12:21 <ennael> I talked with Luc Menut about the pb we have managing updates in classical isos
20:12:46 <ennael> we will work in coming weeks to add some tools to manage a bit differently the way to udpate isos
20:13:17 <lewyssmith> Is it not done by hand at present?
20:13:30 <ennael> we use bcd and adjust it then
20:13:35 <ennael> which is quite a nightmare
20:13:37 <lewyssmith> BCD?
20:13:45 <ennael> the tool to build isos
20:13:48 <ennael> classicla one
20:14:11 <wilcal> is there a way to generate an iso for the system under use at the time. Like this laptop?
20:14:22 <lewyssmith> Luc worked hard on that issue.
20:14:44 <ennael> lewyssmith: he had some scripts to pick the newest version for one given package
20:14:54 <wilcal> lots of work this time to generate tools
20:15:25 <lewyssmith> Investment.
20:15:50 <tmb> wilcal, for that there is mondo/mindi
20:17:07 <lewyssmith> Move on?
20:17:11 <tjandrews> I don't know much about the process, but from the outside looking in I would think those tools should be very useful for M6.
20:17:21 <wilcal> time to move on to m6
20:17:26 <lewyssmith> #topic Mageia 6 - Start up again
20:17:37 <ennael> welcome to hell again :)
20:17:51 <DavidWHodgins> Should be a lot better by now though
20:17:59 <wilcal> While M5.1 was struggling along M6 still updated and IMO cleaned up a little
20:18:05 <wilcal> or a lot
20:18:07 <brian__> cool mga6
20:18:09 <lewyssmith> Not this time, Anne. We are going to do better.
20:18:17 * tjandrews brandishes a variety of religious symbols...
20:18:23 <DavidWHodgins> lol
20:18:27 <ennael> :)
20:18:28 <wilcal> I've moved most of my Vbox testing to M6 Plasma
20:18:42 <ennael> I'm building first isos
20:18:58 <ennael> for now rpmcheck the tool that verifies dependancies is nearly all nok
20:19:00 <wilcal> Ya we need a stake in the ground isos
20:19:01 <ennael> oups ok
20:19:13 <ennael> which is a big progress
20:19:23 <ennael> we still have issues with vbox
20:19:35 <ennael> tmb: shall we rebuild vbox packages for new kernel ?
20:20:58 <ennael> otherwise isos are installing and rebooting without any trouble
20:21:07 <tmb> ennael, ah, sorry I forgot to rebuild the kmods for last kernel... otoh I should push a new kernel to close an amdgpu regression
20:21:17 <ennael> oh ok I'll wait then
20:21:37 <lewyssmith> Good....
20:21:43 <DavidWHodgins> Just finished cleaning up 5 recent kernels on my m5 system. :-)
20:22:18 <brian__> lol I did a cleanup on a vbox host system.  That made a fun mess.
20:22:38 <ennael> we still have the #18978
20:22:46 <wilcal> I found this biggee a couple days ago:
20:22:48 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19856
20:22:49 <[mbot> Bug 19856: normal, Normal, pkg-bugs, NEW , Many wine functions display with blank windows, wine-1.8.4-2.mga6
20:23:05 <lewyssmith> Coo, you play with Wine?
20:23:36 <wilcal> Ya a little. It works quite well on M5 with known workable exe's
20:23:57 <wilcal> There's some exe tools that I like to use
20:24:06 <tjandrews> I've never been able to make WINE work well with anything. Main reason I keep an XP guest for Vbox.
20:24:39 <wilcal> https://www.grc.com/dns/benchmark.htm
20:24:41 <[mbot> [ GRC's | DNS Nameserver Performance Benchmark ]
20:25:03 <wilcal> is a single exe file that is extremely useful. Works fine on M5/wine
20:25:19 <wilcal> white screens on M6
20:25:48 <wilcal> I think we've seen this with other apps on M6
20:26:45 <wilcal> Also the "Good Luck" bug(s) is still haunting us
20:27:07 <lewyssmith> Let us see.
20:27:27 <wilcal> IMO it's not gonna release in 2016
20:28:04 <wilcal> With FOSDEM becoming a non-issue that really takes the pressure off
20:28:17 <lewyssmith> Let us see how it flies, and if it doesn hope for FOSDEM.
20:28:25 <wilcal> so we can work it to make it the best it can be
20:28:30 <ennael> wilcal: no way some of us will go to FOSDEM :)
20:28:39 <lewyssmith> ?
20:28:55 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: No booth for Mageia anymore
20:29:03 <wilcal> many of you have seen my position on FOSDEM
20:29:12 <lewyssmith> Whose decision was that?
20:29:14 <ennael> s/anymore/this year/
20:30:07 <wilcal> a monthly thing somewhere has been proposed. I suggested that be on YouTube or Facebook live
20:30:26 <wilcal> Maybe a nice cafe' in Paris :-))
20:30:43 <lewyssmith> wilcal: - 2 To both - thumbs down.
20:31:38 <wilcal> BTW I see no reason to have a booth at this years SCALE but I will attend that for a day
20:33:01 <wilcal> SCALE is Mar 2 -> 5
20:33:25 <stratocaster7> wilcal: Are you still seeing good luck with the new systemd 230-6 package? We had thought that was fixed yesterday with that update. That update fixed the four installations I have that had the problem.
20:34:23 <wilcal> Have actually gotten quite good at avoiding the circumstances that create a "Good Luck" boot :-)
20:34:46 <lewyssmith> stratocaster7: Bearer of good tidings!
20:34:50 <wilcal> I think for me the best is to start testing from scratch when the new M6 isos come out
20:35:04 <lewyssmith> I have long said this.
20:35:06 <wilcal> Is it in the M6 Repo now?
20:35:27 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: Keeping the rsync password the same on rabbit?
20:35:36 <wilcal> I can try a boot.iso install
20:35:52 <tjandrews> That's what I'll be doing. (starting from scratch)
20:35:56 <ennael> no idea for password
20:36:10 <DavidWHodgins> Question is whether or not anyone with a skylake processor has been testing 5.1
20:36:21 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: May as well keep it the same
20:36:25 <stratocaster7> lewyssmith: Yes, Pharoah_Atem, stormi, and joegi though they had fixed it yesterday.
20:36:42 <wilcal> leave it the same for the next M6 isos
20:36:53 <wilcal> change it on the next
20:37:13 <lewyssmith> stratocaster7: If they have, they deserve chapagne. I will buy.
20:38:23 <lewyssmith> Move on to our main toil for the moment?
20:38:24 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, several users with skylake (me included) has used fully updated mga5 (and so mga5.1)
20:38:40 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Good
20:39:24 <tmb> note that skylake support improves dramatically with upcoming mga6 :)
20:41:05 <brian__> good to know.  I assume that applies only to x86_64 will live's have it on testing startup?
20:43:05 <brian__> did my question make sense?
20:43:36 <DavidWHodgins> What's involved in skylake support, other then new kernels?
20:44:03 <tjandrews> The last M6 isos I have are the old "RC" ones. Can I assume that there will be enough different in the next batch that I might as well nuke them and start over?
20:44:29 <tjandrews> Rather than rename and resync, I mean.
20:44:38 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: Can't hurt to rename them to sta2. May not help much, but can't hurt
20:44:41 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, mesa, libdrm, x11-driver-video-intel
20:45:18 <brian__> ok, so likely both 32 and 64
20:48:15 <brian__> <brian> stepping back. sounds like time for a new topic
20:48:28 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing updates - Any difficulties, problems, issues?
20:48:58 <lewyssmith> Still a long list. What about the 2  special kernels?
20:49:19 <wilcal> Can we push Vbox on
20:49:36 <wilcal> I'll tinker with the kernels in the next 24
20:49:59 <lewyssmith> Bill, you are the VB guru. Up to you.
20:50:11 <brian__> question on kernel linux - does it even start up a UI?
20:50:28 <brian__> same with tmb one?
20:50:40 <DavidWHodgins> brian__: They should. Always have in the past
20:51:01 <tjandrews> There's another M5 kernel on the repos, yet not on the QA list. What's with that?
20:51:19 <brian__> ok - I'll pick one.  Which do you want me to try?
20:51:21 <tjandrews> 4.4.35.
20:51:37 <brian__> tj:   oh fun
20:51:51 <wilcal> I usually just test those in Vbox
20:52:02 <brian__> :wilcal - thx
20:52:04 <lewyssmith> brian__: You may have to select the new kernel via boot menu 'special options'.
20:52:09 <DavidWHodgins> kernels need to be tested both in vbox and on real hardware
20:52:32 <brian__> I'll try it on a drive that still has noisy bearings
20:52:53 <wilcal> oil it
20:53:02 <brian__> :wilcal LOL
20:53:12 <DavidWHodgins> Main procedure is to install lates updates version, then the updates testing version, and ensure normal usage works (and update installs cleanly)
20:53:22 <tmb> tjandrews, yeah, thery are for some regression testfix kernels ... but anyway more kernels are in the pipeline... but I'll wait for 4.4.36 to land before assigning to QA
20:54:01 <brian__> the tmb one with better scheduling interests me.  Sounds like it might work better on old stuff.
20:54:10 <tjandrews> OK, so I was right to leave it alone when testing the vbox update.
20:54:13 <lewyssmith> tmb: Sibelius on the radio here, lovely.
20:54:28 <wilcal> Can we move https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19213 on?
20:54:30 <[mbot> Bug 19213: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , VirtualBox 5.1.10, virtualbox-5.1.10-1.1.mga5
20:56:04 <tjandrews> I haven't tested the 32-bit version, but I've made my new position clear on that, I think.
20:56:31 <tjandrews> The scars on my forehead are healing nicely.
20:56:53 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:57:09 <wilcal> FWIW I don't consider a 32-bit platform suitable for Vbox but that's just me.
20:57:11 <DavidWHodgins> I think so. Just need to get the most recent advisory into svn
20:57:30 <DavidWHodgins> For real 32 bit hardware, see bug 44
20:57:31 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44 critical, High, erwanaliasr1, NEW , slow OS under VirtualBox, due to HZ=1000 (was mkinitrd fails in VB), syslinux, mageia-gfxboot-theme, drakx-installer-images, kernel
20:57:42 <DavidWHodgins> For a 32 bit install on 64 bit hardware, it should be ok
20:58:05 <wilcal> I have an old intel 32-bit platform here and trying to run Vbox on that is painful
20:58:16 <lewyssmith> I shall grey the ocaml bug 18296.
20:58:18 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18296 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, ASSIGNED , ocaml new security issue fixed in 4.03.0 (CVE-2015-8869), ocaml-4.02.3-3.mga6.src.rpm
20:58:19 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, but should be possible
20:58:27 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Beat you to it. :-)
20:58:33 <tjandrews> Refused to work at all on my AMD 64-bit hardware.
20:58:58 <wilcal> It does run but do have a lot of good sporting events on the tele between operations
20:59:03 <tjandrews> Intel seems to work, though slowly.
20:59:18 <DavidWHodgins> How much ram?
20:59:32 <wilcal> most you can use is 3.2GB
20:59:41 <wilcal> and that ain't enough
20:59:46 <tjandrews> On the AMD, 8GB. On the Intel, 2.
21:00:25 <DavidWHodgins> Try adding the divider=10 kernel option
21:00:29 <tjandrews> Server kernel is supposed to let you use more RAM with 32-bit.
21:00:46 <DavidWHodgins> Don't use divider=10 with the server kernel. :-)
21:01:02 <DavidWHodgins> brb
21:01:22 <tjandrews> When it works, it's not bad. When it doesn't, it won't even start to boot.
21:01:36 <lewyssmith> Cheat in Dave's break: move on?
21:01:45 <wilcal> lets move on
21:02:02 <lewyssmith> No Luigi's Roundup any more, so...
21:02:14 <lewyssmith> #topic Anything else?
21:02:28 <brian__> nothing here
21:02:41 <wilcal> I don't have anything else. Maybe we see M6 isos by next meeting
21:02:58 <lewyssmith> Likely.
21:03:39 <wilcal> it will be nice to see that again
21:04:34 <DavidWHodgins> back
21:04:49 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here
21:04:49 <brian__> last question -- 5.1 when is it coming out?
21:05:00 <wilcal> in the next days
21:05:05 <brian__> awesome
21:05:15 <lewyssmith> Quickie: do I take it that you would be happy just with the heaviest ISO checksum; and leaving them off the PAD?
21:05:23 <DavidWHodgins> We have to give mirrors time to sync, once that's done, announce it
21:05:39 <wilcal> i'm fine with that
21:06:21 <DavidWHodgins> We have md5, sha1, and sha512. Part of the reason is compatibility with old tools, part is that some windows/mac users may not have all options available
21:06:22 <lewyssmith> There was little complaint apart from Claire's clarification.
21:06:46 <tjandrews> Wondering what Mageiasync would do if there's only one checksum file in the iso. It checks both md5 and sha512.
21:07:09 <lewyssmith> It would have to cope - probably does.
21:07:16 <DavidWHodgins> It would show fail for the missing check sums
21:07:22 <lewyssmith> Just looks for those that are there.
21:07:40 <DavidWHodgins> s /would/should/ :-)
21:08:17 <lewyssmith> Nothinh more from me.
21:08:33 <tjandrews> Well, we'll find out. If it borks, it'll just have to be fixed.
21:08:39 <wilcal> I'm done
21:08:42 <DavidWHodgins> Countdown time then
21:08:47 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5
21:08:50 <DavidWHodgins> 4
21:08:52 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone.
21:08:53 <DavidWHodgins> 3
21:08:57 <DavidWHodgins> 2
21:09:04 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone
21:09:06 <DavidWHodgins> 1
21:09:11 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting