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20:03:19 <rindolf> Hi all.
20:03:29 <lewyssmith> Hello rindolf.
20:03:38 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
20:03:38 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
20:03:46 <wilcal> we are good to go
20:03:47 <rindolf> lewyssmith: hi, how are you?
20:03:59 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Do you want me to be Dave?
20:04:10 <wilcal> ur dave
20:04:30 <lewyssmith> #topic Anyone new here?
20:05:10 <lewyssmith> If you are new to QA IRC sessions, please declare yourself.
20:05:27 <wilcal> welcome all to this weeks QA meeting
20:05:37 <ckc> Hello, my name is Constantine, I would like to join Mageia QA team.
20:05:43 <ckc> I am from Ukraine. I've used Mageia since 2001.
20:05:50 <ckc> 2011, sorry
20:05:51 <wilcal> Fantastic!!!!
20:06:07 <wilcal> Welcome ckc
20:06:19 <tjandrews> Welcome!
20:06:20 <rindolf> ckc: welcome aboard!
20:06:22 <wilcal> any help is great help
20:06:22 <lewyssmith> ckc: Great. Please say a little about yourself, we will too.
20:07:04 <ckc> I am 39 years old, previously I worked as a researcher
20:07:12 <rindolf> ckc: I am Shlomi from Tel Aviv, Israel and you can learn more about me from my site - http://www.shlomifish.org/ .
20:07:13 <ckc> in the field of economics
20:07:13 <[mbot> [ Shlomi Fish’s Homepage ]
20:07:30 <rindolf> ckc: I'm 39 too.
20:07:41 <lewyssmith> ckc: BTW We already have a Ukrainian in Mageia - Vlad.
20:07:41 <ckc> now I'm studying software development
20:07:48 <rindolf> ckc: nice.
20:07:52 <wilcal> School?
20:07:59 <rindolf> ckc: how are you studying it?
20:08:05 <ckc> Kyiv School of Economics
20:08:12 <rindolf> ckc: you may find ##programming here useful
20:08:23 <ckc> thank you
20:08:27 <tjandrews> My name is Tom Andrews, also known as "TJ." I'm a farmer in Central New York State, USA. I have been using Mageia since its beginnings, and Mandriva before that.
20:08:50 <wilcal> "wilcal" for (Wil)liam in (Cal)ifornia, live near San Diego ( Surf City USA )
20:08:52 <wilcal> First official College computer class in Sept 1964, Computer Engineer 1968
20:09:43 <ckc> Glad to meet everyone
20:09:46 <brian_> I'm Brian from Illinois, USA
20:10:17 <lewyssmith> I am Lewys, a Celtic expatriate living in France. Long computer career.
20:10:36 <lewyssmith> Good. Let us move on...
20:11:01 <lewyssmith> #topic Mageia 6: any news?
20:11:11 <wilcal> ooo
20:11:18 <wilcal> I have to control myself here
20:11:19 <lewyssmith> hviaene: Good evening, Herman. Welcome aboard.
20:11:28 <hviaene> Hi all
20:11:36 <rindolf> hviaene: hi
20:11:37 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Why?
20:11:40 <wilcal> As I have shared I do a ground up install of M6 about every 3-days
20:11:56 <wilcal> IMO M6 as an install is bricked right now
20:12:10 <wilcal> I filed a bug today
20:12:30 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19712
20:12:31 <[mbot> Bug 19712: normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , Tiny mostly unusable green screens during net install
20:12:44 <wilcal> it is noot installable using boot.iso from a known good repo
20:12:50 <wilcal> not installable
20:13:08 <brian_> i liked noot better
20:13:23 <wilcal> if you have a working version hug it and be nice
20:13:31 <lewyssmith> Most users will use ISOs, though.
20:13:38 <wilcal> if you have to install it "good luck" if you know what I mean
20:13:59 <wilcal> i agree but the boot.iso gives you a close look at where it is
20:14:13 <wilcal> anyway it's in tough shape
20:14:23 <wilcal> :-((
20:16:24 <brian_> I have on machine still running M6 from awhile ago with patches.  But, doing nothing since waiting on 5.1
20:17:20 <lewyssmith> Are you talking about the actual install process, or the result?
20:17:21 <wilcal> I think most of the problems are in the install
20:17:21 <wilcal> I do have a very nice running x86_64 Plasma running just fine
20:17:21 <wilcal> but if that goes down there's no way back right now
20:17:21 <lewyssmith> You are something of lone warriors re M6.
20:17:22 <wilcal> i agree but will this continued tracking of where it's at
20:17:49 <brian_> result - no new installs.  Just running an XFCE machine
20:18:18 <brian_> I have an old 16 GB SSD it runs on
20:18:22 <wilcal> plasma for me runs really nice and I use it a lot
20:18:50 <wilcal> FWIW M6 Plasma running Vbox with an M6 Vbox client does not work
20:18:59 <wilcal> :-((
20:19:13 <wilcal> but gotta get through this no install stage
20:19:32 <lewyssmith> Is that not a recent setback?
20:19:40 <wilcal> note no install to either a Vbox client or on real hardware
20:22:27 <wilcal> ya that's stressful for me. Seems like a couple install giant steps backward
20:22:27 <wilcal> the Good Luck thing has really gotten bad
20:22:28 <wilcal> Things seemed to have gotten much worse since out last meeting
20:22:28 <wilcal> but that's just me i guess
20:22:28 <lewyssmith> So I *do* need to split its too-big bug (real HW and VB).
20:22:28 <lewyssmith> The 'good luck' bug.
20:22:28 <wilcal> I think the good luck thing is gonna be one something
20:22:44 <lewyssmith> Move on?
20:22:47 <wilcal> please
20:22:51 <lewyssmith> #topic Mageia 5.1
20:22:59 <wilcal> we await isos
20:23:14 <brian_> next topic then?
20:24:41 <wilcal> i bet we see something before our next meeting
20:24:41 <wilcal> 5.1 isos i think
20:24:41 <lewyssmith> There is no news, basically. Anne got stuck on the x64 ISO for EFI, and the 32-bit one did not go far.
20:24:42 <lewyssmith> I will poke her for news.
20:24:45 <lewyssmith> #topic Updates http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates
20:24:47 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
20:25:27 <wilcal> i see maria is in there so I can test that in the next couple
20:26:13 <lewyssmith> There has been a lot of hard work to clear updates, but they just keep coming!
20:26:14 <wilcal> what do think of the two remaining kernels
20:26:26 <lewyssmith> I was about to ask that...
20:26:33 <wilcal> imo we can push those along
20:28:02 <tjandrews> Both seem to work OK for me.
20:28:47 <wilcal> anybody any problem with push'n linus and tmb kernels?
20:29:03 <lewyssmith> Len had Bluetooth & nVidia problems - our Achilles Heels. But I agree that we should let them out lacking more expert advice.
20:29:16 <wilcal> on they go
20:29:38 <lewyssmith> Do you want me to clear them, Bill? Or will you?
20:29:48 <wilcal> i'll do the honors
20:30:34 <hviaene> Something for off-meeting: can someone explain what those kernels are about??
20:31:04 <tjandrews> The Flash update went very quickly. I was grateful.
20:32:34 <lewyssmith> We need really 32-it test for Tomcat, but that is easy.
20:32:54 <wilcal> There's rummor of another pile of flash dung on the way. Maybe next week
20:33:22 <wilcal> this one ties flash and Windows ( again )
20:33:46 <wilcal> Most of these flash things are really Windows problems
20:33:58 <tjandrews> Not surprised. Firefox will start nagging me again. :(
20:34:00 <wilcal> but we have to update our flash too
20:34:02 <lewyssmith> hviaene: That was asked & answered on the mailing list, if you see that.
20:34:27 <wilcal> Mozilla has announced that sometime next year FIrefox will no long support flash
20:34:34 <hviaene> I'll try tomcat tomorrow, I think I handled a previous version
20:34:57 <brian_> regarding kernels - this link might be useful:  https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Kernel_flavours
20:36:02 <wilcal> don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out
20:36:02 <lewyssmith> hviaene: I have forgotten the reasons, other than that the 'linus' one is purer.
20:36:03 <lewyssmith> Thanks Brian.
20:37:02 <hviaene> OK, seen it, tx
20:37:03 <lewyssmith> Do you think that, as a principle, we should have 2 OKs for the major security updates - even though we let out others with just 1 often?
20:37:52 <hviaene> You mean the red ones or the bold ones?
20:38:32 <lewyssmith> Bold ones.
20:38:34 <wilcal> kernels are pushed
20:39:58 <lewyssmith> Fast work, and thanks!
20:39:58 <wilcal> i aim to please :-))
20:39:58 <lewyssmith> Shrinks the list nicely - visually at least.
20:40:57 <lewyssmith> If Dave was around, I suspect he would clear out everything with just 1 OK. I might do that for the less important updates.
20:41:13 <wilcal> your call lewys
20:41:28 <wilcal> that'd really cut the list down
20:42:04 <lewyssmith> Not all that much...
20:42:41 <wilcal> anyway anything else on testing updates?
20:43:39 <lewyssmith> I now try to do the advisory for updates with at least 1 OK, in case they get pushed hurridly.
20:43:56 <lewyssmith> Or to facilitate that.
20:44:22 <wilcal> especially for flash updates :-))
20:45:02 <hviaene> I got stuck on the freeimage, not sure if the new version is involved in the crash of sumwars
20:46:05 <hviaene> And othe packages seemed over my head
20:46:06 <lewyssmith> Remember that some updates are easier to test than one might think - take a look.
20:46:06 <wilcal> ya that one looks complex
20:48:11 <lewyssmith> hviaene: Bind, mariaDB (if you have it for anything), Tomcat are basically easy.
20:48:13 <lewyssmith> So is monit.
20:48:15 <hviaene> Yes, I'd set my eyes on those
20:49:42 <wilcal> i've done mariaDB several times in the past and I've documented that pretty well
20:49:43 <hviaene> I tried bind wednesday, but the mirror wasn't up to date yet
20:49:56 <lewyssmith> wilcal: I just try applications that use MariaDB (or Postgres).
20:50:11 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16551
20:50:12 <[mbot> Bug 16551: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, RESOLVED FIXED, mariadb 5.5.45 and 10.0.21, mariadb-10.0.20-1.mga5.src.rpm
20:50:21 <wilcal> is a very good tutorial on how to do that
20:50:44 <lewyssmith> Add that to the bug?
20:51:42 <lewyssmith> Basically, we are doing well in coping with a constant flood of updates.
20:51:54 <lewyssmith> Move on?
20:51:59 <wilcal> yes
20:52:02 <lewyssmith> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:52:12 <lewyssmith> If he is here.
20:52:19 <lewyssmith> Ping Luigi12
20:52:27 <wilcal> he keeps is busy though :-))
20:53:03 <lewyssmith> I am happy not to know the bad news in the pipeline! We see it in the end.
20:53:30 <wilcal> yup lets move on before he shows up
20:53:55 <lewyssmith> David is doing heroic work given his increased lack of time now. Big thanks.
20:54:16 <lewyssmith> #topic Anything else?
20:54:33 <wilcal> thanks all for putting up with my m6 frustration
20:54:45 <hviaene> None from me
20:54:57 <wilcal> nothing else from me
20:55:06 <lewyssmith> ckc: Constantine, do you get the QA mailing list?
20:55:12 <ckc> yes
20:56:03 <lewyssmith> Good. Please find my e-mail address from it, and send me a private e-mail. I can help you 'move in' to QA.
20:56:16 <lewyssmith> If you would like.
20:56:22 <ckc> I'll try to test something in the coming days
20:56:30 <wilcal> go for it
20:56:38 <wilcal> any help is great help
20:56:38 <ckc> ok, I'll send a letter
20:56:49 <wilcal> especially different hw platforms
20:57:26 <ckc> I'll do my best :)
20:57:57 <tjandrews> That's all any of us can do.
20:59:27 <lewyssmith> ckc: Thanks. It will help you find your way, how to go about things, etc.
20:59:27 <lewyssmith> I have a question for myself about syslog: how does it work? How do you see the log?
20:59:28 <lewyssmith> Alors: syslog? No replies?
20:59:39 <lewyssmith> Countdown?
20:59:40 <wilcal> I think I've tinkered with that. Ask again next meeting
21:01:10 <wilcal> down it goes
21:01:10 <lewyssmith> Thanks to all who came, and welcome again to Constantine.
21:01:10 <lewyssmith> -5
21:01:11 <lewyssmith> -4
21:01:11 <lewyssmith> -3
21:01:11 <lewyssmith> -2
21:01:11 <lewyssmith> -1
21:01:11 <lewyssmith> 0
21:01:11 <hviaene> G'night all
21:01:11 <lewyssmith> Over to you, Bill.
21:01:11 <wilcal> #endmeeting