20:03:12 <wilcal> #startmeeting 20:03:12 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu Nov 3 20:03:12 2016 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:03:12 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:03:19 <rindolf> Hi all. 20:03:29 <lewyssmith> Hello rindolf. 20:03:38 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith 20:03:38 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal 20:03:46 <wilcal> we are good to go 20:03:47 <rindolf> lewyssmith: hi, how are you? 20:03:59 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Do you want me to be Dave? 20:04:10 <wilcal> ur dave 20:04:30 <lewyssmith> #topic Anyone new here? 20:05:10 <lewyssmith> If you are new to QA IRC sessions, please declare yourself. 20:05:27 <wilcal> welcome all to this weeks QA meeting 20:05:37 <ckc> Hello, my name is Constantine, I would like to join Mageia QA team. 20:05:43 <ckc> I am from Ukraine. I've used Mageia since 2001. 20:05:50 <ckc> 2011, sorry 20:05:51 <wilcal> Fantastic!!!! 20:06:07 <wilcal> Welcome ckc 20:06:19 <tjandrews> Welcome! 20:06:20 <rindolf> ckc: welcome aboard! 20:06:22 <wilcal> any help is great help 20:06:22 <lewyssmith> ckc: Great. Please say a little about yourself, we will too. 20:07:04 <ckc> I am 39 years old, previously I worked as a researcher 20:07:12 <rindolf> ckc: I am Shlomi from Tel Aviv, Israel and you can learn more about me from my site - http://www.shlomifish.org/ . 20:07:13 <ckc> in the field of economics 20:07:13 <[mbot> [ Shlomi Fish’s Homepage ] 20:07:30 <rindolf> ckc: I'm 39 too. 20:07:41 <lewyssmith> ckc: BTW We already have a Ukrainian in Mageia - Vlad. 20:07:41 <ckc> now I'm studying software development 20:07:48 <rindolf> ckc: nice. 20:07:52 <wilcal> School? 20:07:59 <rindolf> ckc: how are you studying it? 20:08:05 <ckc> Kyiv School of Economics 20:08:12 <rindolf> ckc: you may find ##programming here useful 20:08:23 <ckc> thank you 20:08:27 <tjandrews> My name is Tom Andrews, also known as "TJ." I'm a farmer in Central New York State, USA. I have been using Mageia since its beginnings, and Mandriva before that. 20:08:50 <wilcal> "wilcal" for (Wil)liam in (Cal)ifornia, live near San Diego ( Surf City USA ) 20:08:52 <wilcal> First official College computer class in Sept 1964, Computer Engineer 1968 20:09:43 <ckc> Glad to meet everyone 20:09:46 <brian_> I'm Brian from Illinois, USA 20:10:17 <lewyssmith> I am Lewys, a Celtic expatriate living in France. Long computer career. 20:10:36 <lewyssmith> Good. Let us move on... 20:11:01 <lewyssmith> #topic Mageia 6: any news? 20:11:11 <wilcal> ooo 20:11:18 <wilcal> I have to control myself here 20:11:19 <lewyssmith> hviaene: Good evening, Herman. Welcome aboard. 20:11:28 <hviaene> Hi all 20:11:36 <rindolf> hviaene: hi 20:11:37 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Why? 20:11:40 <wilcal> As I have shared I do a ground up install of M6 about every 3-days 20:11:56 <wilcal> IMO M6 as an install is bricked right now 20:12:10 <wilcal> I filed a bug today 20:12:30 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19712 20:12:31 <[mbot> Bug 19712: normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , Tiny mostly unusable green screens during net install 20:12:44 <wilcal> it is noot installable using boot.iso from a known good repo 20:12:50 <wilcal> not installable 20:13:08 <brian_> i liked noot better 20:13:23 <wilcal> if you have a working version hug it and be nice 20:13:31 <lewyssmith> Most users will use ISOs, though. 20:13:38 <wilcal> if you have to install it "good luck" if you know what I mean 20:13:59 <wilcal> i agree but the boot.iso gives you a close look at where it is 20:14:13 <wilcal> anyway it's in tough shape 20:14:23 <wilcal> :-(( 20:16:24 <brian_> I have on machine still running M6 from awhile ago with patches. But, doing nothing since waiting on 5.1 20:17:20 <lewyssmith> Are you talking about the actual install process, or the result? 20:17:21 <wilcal> I think most of the problems are in the install 20:17:21 <wilcal> I do have a very nice running x86_64 Plasma running just fine 20:17:21 <wilcal> but if that goes down there's no way back right now 20:17:21 <lewyssmith> You are something of lone warriors re M6. 20:17:22 <wilcal> i agree but will this continued tracking of where it's at 20:17:49 <brian_> result - no new installs. Just running an XFCE machine 20:18:18 <brian_> I have an old 16 GB SSD it runs on 20:18:22 <wilcal> plasma for me runs really nice and I use it a lot 20:18:50 <wilcal> FWIW M6 Plasma running Vbox with an M6 Vbox client does not work 20:18:59 <wilcal> :-(( 20:19:13 <wilcal> but gotta get through this no install stage 20:19:32 <lewyssmith> Is that not a recent setback? 20:19:40 <wilcal> note no install to either a Vbox client or on real hardware 20:22:27 <wilcal> ya that's stressful for me. Seems like a couple install giant steps backward 20:22:27 <wilcal> the Good Luck thing has really gotten bad 20:22:28 <wilcal> Things seemed to have gotten much worse since out last meeting 20:22:28 <wilcal> but that's just me i guess 20:22:28 <lewyssmith> So I *do* need to split its too-big bug (real HW and VB). 20:22:28 <lewyssmith> The 'good luck' bug. 20:22:28 <wilcal> I think the good luck thing is gonna be one something 20:22:44 <lewyssmith> Move on? 20:22:47 <wilcal> please 20:22:51 <lewyssmith> #topic Mageia 5.1 20:22:59 <wilcal> we await isos 20:23:14 <brian_> next topic then? 20:24:41 <wilcal> i bet we see something before our next meeting 20:24:41 <wilcal> 5.1 isos i think 20:24:41 <lewyssmith> There is no news, basically. Anne got stuck on the x64 ISO for EFI, and the 32-bit one did not go far. 20:24:42 <lewyssmith> I will poke her for news. 20:24:45 <lewyssmith> #topic Updates http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates 20:24:47 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ] 20:25:27 <wilcal> i see maria is in there so I can test that in the next couple 20:26:13 <lewyssmith> There has been a lot of hard work to clear updates, but they just keep coming! 20:26:14 <wilcal> what do think of the two remaining kernels 20:26:26 <lewyssmith> I was about to ask that... 20:26:33 <wilcal> imo we can push those along 20:28:02 <tjandrews> Both seem to work OK for me. 20:28:47 <wilcal> anybody any problem with push'n linus and tmb kernels? 20:29:03 <lewyssmith> Len had Bluetooth & nVidia problems - our Achilles Heels. But I agree that we should let them out lacking more expert advice. 20:29:16 <wilcal> on they go 20:29:38 <lewyssmith> Do you want me to clear them, Bill? Or will you? 20:29:48 <wilcal> i'll do the honors 20:30:34 <hviaene> Something for off-meeting: can someone explain what those kernels are about?? 20:31:04 <tjandrews> The Flash update went very quickly. I was grateful. 20:32:34 <lewyssmith> We need really 32-it test for Tomcat, but that is easy. 20:32:54 <wilcal> There's rummor of another pile of flash dung on the way. Maybe next week 20:33:22 <wilcal> this one ties flash and Windows ( again ) 20:33:46 <wilcal> Most of these flash things are really Windows problems 20:33:58 <tjandrews> Not surprised. Firefox will start nagging me again. :( 20:34:00 <wilcal> but we have to update our flash too 20:34:02 <lewyssmith> hviaene: That was asked & answered on the mailing list, if you see that. 20:34:27 <wilcal> Mozilla has announced that sometime next year FIrefox will no long support flash 20:34:34 <hviaene> I'll try tomcat tomorrow, I think I handled a previous version 20:34:57 <brian_> regarding kernels - this link might be useful: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Kernel_flavours 20:36:02 <wilcal> don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out 20:36:02 <lewyssmith> hviaene: I have forgotten the reasons, other than that the 'linus' one is purer. 20:36:03 <lewyssmith> Thanks Brian. 20:37:02 <hviaene> OK, seen it, tx 20:37:03 <lewyssmith> Do you think that, as a principle, we should have 2 OKs for the major security updates - even though we let out others with just 1 often? 20:37:52 <hviaene> You mean the red ones or the bold ones? 20:38:32 <lewyssmith> Bold ones. 20:38:34 <wilcal> kernels are pushed 20:39:58 <lewyssmith> Fast work, and thanks! 20:39:58 <wilcal> i aim to please :-)) 20:39:58 <lewyssmith> Shrinks the list nicely - visually at least. 20:40:57 <lewyssmith> If Dave was around, I suspect he would clear out everything with just 1 OK. I might do that for the less important updates. 20:41:13 <wilcal> your call lewys 20:41:28 <wilcal> that'd really cut the list down 20:42:04 <lewyssmith> Not all that much... 20:42:41 <wilcal> anyway anything else on testing updates? 20:43:39 <lewyssmith> I now try to do the advisory for updates with at least 1 OK, in case they get pushed hurridly. 20:43:56 <lewyssmith> Or to facilitate that. 20:44:22 <wilcal> especially for flash updates :-)) 20:45:02 <hviaene> I got stuck on the freeimage, not sure if the new version is involved in the crash of sumwars 20:46:05 <hviaene> And othe packages seemed over my head 20:46:06 <lewyssmith> Remember that some updates are easier to test than one might think - take a look. 20:46:06 <wilcal> ya that one looks complex 20:48:11 <lewyssmith> hviaene: Bind, mariaDB (if you have it for anything), Tomcat are basically easy. 20:48:13 <lewyssmith> So is monit. 20:48:15 <hviaene> Yes, I'd set my eyes on those 20:49:42 <wilcal> i've done mariaDB several times in the past and I've documented that pretty well 20:49:43 <hviaene> I tried bind wednesday, but the mirror wasn't up to date yet 20:49:56 <lewyssmith> wilcal: I just try applications that use MariaDB (or Postgres). 20:50:11 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16551 20:50:12 <[mbot> Bug 16551: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, RESOLVED FIXED, mariadb 5.5.45 and 10.0.21, mariadb-10.0.20-1.mga5.src.rpm 20:50:21 <wilcal> is a very good tutorial on how to do that 20:50:44 <lewyssmith> Add that to the bug? 20:51:42 <lewyssmith> Basically, we are doing well in coping with a constant flood of updates. 20:51:54 <lewyssmith> Move on? 20:51:59 <wilcal> yes 20:52:02 <lewyssmith> #topic Luigi's Roundup 20:52:12 <lewyssmith> If he is here. 20:52:19 <lewyssmith> Ping Luigi12 20:52:27 <wilcal> he keeps is busy though :-)) 20:53:03 <lewyssmith> I am happy not to know the bad news in the pipeline! We see it in the end. 20:53:30 <wilcal> yup lets move on before he shows up 20:53:55 <lewyssmith> David is doing heroic work given his increased lack of time now. Big thanks. 20:54:16 <lewyssmith> #topic Anything else? 20:54:33 <wilcal> thanks all for putting up with my m6 frustration 20:54:45 <hviaene> None from me 20:54:57 <wilcal> nothing else from me 20:55:06 <lewyssmith> ckc: Constantine, do you get the QA mailing list? 20:55:12 <ckc> yes 20:56:03 <lewyssmith> Good. Please find my e-mail address from it, and send me a private e-mail. I can help you 'move in' to QA. 20:56:16 <lewyssmith> If you would like. 20:56:22 <ckc> I'll try to test something in the coming days 20:56:30 <wilcal> go for it 20:56:38 <wilcal> any help is great help 20:56:38 <ckc> ok, I'll send a letter 20:56:49 <wilcal> especially different hw platforms 20:57:26 <ckc> I'll do my best :) 20:57:57 <tjandrews> That's all any of us can do. 20:59:27 <lewyssmith> ckc: Thanks. It will help you find your way, how to go about things, etc. 20:59:27 <lewyssmith> I have a question for myself about syslog: how does it work? How do you see the log? 20:59:28 <lewyssmith> Alors: syslog? No replies? 20:59:39 <lewyssmith> Countdown? 20:59:40 <wilcal> I think I've tinkered with that. Ask again next meeting 21:01:10 <wilcal> down it goes 21:01:10 <lewyssmith> Thanks to all who came, and welcome again to Constantine. 21:01:10 <lewyssmith> -5 21:01:11 <lewyssmith> -4 21:01:11 <lewyssmith> -3 21:01:11 <lewyssmith> -2 21:01:11 <lewyssmith> -1 21:01:11 <lewyssmith> 0 21:01:11 <hviaene> G'night all 21:01:11 <lewyssmith> Over to you, Bill. 21:01:11 <wilcal> #endmeeting