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19:03:16 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
19:03:16 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
19:03:21 <lewyssmith> #topic Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello.
19:04:20 <wilcal> anyone new today
19:04:29 <lewyssmith> Does not look like it.
19:04:51 <lewyssmith> #topic Mageia 5.1 - Waiting for new isos
19:05:35 <tjandrews> I was all ready to try the second round, but...
19:05:49 <wilcal> Ya latest isos are not so good
19:06:02 <lewyssmith> We need something EFI bootable...
19:06:20 <wilcal> i continue to do boot.iso installs a couple times a week and that goes well
19:07:06 <wilcal> I did a M5 boot.iso install this morning and that was clean
19:07:22 <Benmc> boot.iso can be used to initiate the .iso install as well
19:07:36 <lewyssmith> No more orphans?
19:07:54 <krisNL> i didn't bother to sync the iso. i'll follow tj :)
19:08:18 <wilcal> M5 I'm referring to
19:08:34 <wilcal> M6 boot.iso install also clean and no orphans
19:09:24 <wilcal> so the base systems are pretty good
19:10:01 <lewyssmith> QA has given Anne some very precise info about ISO defects.
19:10:04 <wilcal> note I run a local repo mirrored from mirrors.kernel.or
19:10:08 <wilcal> org
19:10:27 <krisNL> no boot no fun - for mere mortals
19:11:08 <wilcal> Ya I've shared the m5.1 screen with some friends as what bleeding edge technology looks like :-))
19:11:26 <wilcal> anyway it'll get fixed
19:11:55 <lewyssmith> Surely. We can do little until then. Except attack updates...
19:11:58 <wilcal> nothing we can contribute right now I think
19:12:03 <lewyssmith> Move on?
19:12:24 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates
19:12:55 <wilcal> got wireshark out and going round and round with Vbox/kernel update
19:13:44 <lewyssmith> The list grows faster than we are clearing it. I notice Dave is clearing stuff with just 1 OK, which is legitimate in the circumstances.
19:14:09 <wilcal> short list from luigi today
19:14:34 <wilcal> I'm not sure that 32-bit is all that relevant anymore
19:14:41 <brian_> hi all
19:14:48 <wilcal> hello brian
19:14:53 <krisNL> hi brian_
19:15:46 <brian_> what subject are we on?
19:16:20 <krisNL> updates
19:16:39 <wilcal> M6 is dynamic but waiting on M5.1
19:16:50 <brian_> new iso's for 5.1 yet?
19:16:59 <lewyssmith> Not yet.
19:17:17 <krisNL> isobuilder vanished into oblivion
19:17:31 <lewyssmith> isobuilder?
19:17:47 <wilcal> did that update get pushed?
19:18:00 <lewyssmith> Which one?
19:18:09 <krisNL> we got no feedback from the one who built the iso
19:18:13 <wilcal> isobuilder
19:18:25 <lewyssmith> I'm lost!
19:18:36 <wilcal> lets pick one subject
19:18:38 <brian_> <my normal state>  lewysmith
19:18:47 <brian_> sorry
19:19:10 <wilcal> 5.1 & 6 are in hold
19:19:16 <lewyssmith> I wonder whether QA might take on building the ISOs. What do you think?
19:19:25 <wilcal> LOL
19:19:37 <wilcal> I could share some stories
19:19:44 <krisNL> loool, good luck, the scropts are a mess
19:19:51 <krisNL> scripts
19:19:54 <wilcal> make Engineering a profit and loss center how's that sound
19:19:54 <lewyssmith> Meaning it is beyond us?
19:20:12 <Benmc> i understand there are now a team of builders, not just Anne and tmb
19:20:26 <wilcal> there is a new team of ISO builders and we are in a learning curve
19:20:31 <lewyssmith> Agree.
19:20:49 <wilcal> We HAVE to take that task away from tmb and anne
19:21:01 <wilcal> so a little rough on the front end
19:21:05 <wilcal> ie M5.1
19:21:32 <lewyssmith> tmb is out of it already, for his sake.
19:22:09 <wilcal> the really good news is M5 is in really great shape
19:22:27 <wilcal> updates are happening
19:22:51 <Benmc> agreed, when installed, just a few rough edges .
19:22:52 <wilcal> I agree that M6 is a better system but with big wrinkles right now
19:23:03 <lewyssmith> So 5.1 is important for Mageia & any new public.
19:23:24 <wilcal> M5 is starting to get a little long in the tooth
19:23:36 <wilcal> I have gotten to really like Plasma
19:23:38 <tjandrews> I suppose I could learn to build isos, but I don't have the time until November at the earliest.
19:24:31 <wilcal> we are on updates now right?
19:24:40 <tjandrews> And I don't pick things up as quickly as I once did.
19:24:41 <lewyssmith> Yes.
19:25:05 <wilcal> Did everyone notice the stress we have/are having with Flash ( again )
19:25:27 <lewyssmith> I am girding my loins (you may have noticed on the ML) to have a go at Mailman.
19:25:33 <tjandrews> I haven't run across one of those warnings yet.
19:25:39 <wilcal> about 5-days ago sites began to complain about our flash level
19:26:12 <wilcal> sorry for bring this up here. one way to test flash is to hit a half dozen or so live adult websites
19:26:23 <tjandrews> Is there another crisis?
19:26:28 <wilcal> they all use crazy flash
19:26:54 <wilcal> it got fixed fast but we are seeing flash crisis about every 2-weeks not
19:26:55 <wilcal> now
19:27:34 <wilcal> cnn.com video is also a good test of your Flash
19:28:03 <wilcal> Do note that these hyper critical flash updates is not one issue
19:28:18 <wilcal> one release had almost 70 cvs's in it
19:28:36 <wilcal> horrible thing it is
19:29:02 <wilcal> last one I think had like 30 problems
19:29:15 <tjandrews> How much longer will Adobe issue security updates for Linux?
19:29:29 <stratocaster7> lewyssmith: I'm working on some testing suggestions for mailman that I'll post to the bug when they are ready - assuming I come up with something useful anyway.
19:29:38 <brian_> they've just renewed their commitment to Linux
19:29:43 <rindolf> tjandrews: they recently released Flash 29 for Linux separately from gchrome.
19:29:56 <rindolf> or is it 19?
19:30:04 <stratocaster7> lewyssmith: We use it here at work. I'm trying to come up with comparisons for what we have here and how the mga package works on a system that isn't fully configured.
19:30:04 <wilcal> they are actually pulling away from it but when Mozilla/Firefox/Chrome pull support then things will change
19:30:26 <lewyssmith> stratocaster7: Thanks. But there is some info already from an old bug - Claire of course!
19:30:34 <wilcal> Mozilla is warning that like this time next year no support for Flash
19:30:54 <lewyssmith> BTAIM We can only get stuck in with all the updates awaiting testing; please.
19:31:35 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19397
19:31:52 <wilcal> kernel update test if you can
19:32:00 <stratocaster7> lewyssmith: Ok. I had looled like you were struggling with parts of it and I thought I'd see what was really needed and what was not.
19:32:14 <stratocaster7> It had looked...
19:32:29 <wilcal> yes. The combo kernel/nvidia/Vbox is always ultra complex
19:32:47 <wilcal> toooooo many moving parts
19:32:48 <tjandrews> wilcal: Using it now with my laptop.
19:32:51 <lewyssmith> stratocaster7: What you say is too true: stuggling. It is what Bill calls a 'career builder'.
19:33:24 <wilcal> some of the apps we test are really career builders
19:33:56 <wilcal> If your really good at Blender I'll get you a job in Hollywood
19:34:13 <tjandrews> Wilcal: ALL nvidia drivers? I'm having zero problems with the 340 driver.
19:34:34 <wilcal> ya lots of moving parts there
19:34:54 <wilcal> I'm almost ready to stop using Nvidia on my Vbox system
19:35:39 <lewyssmith> stratocaster7: Please post whatever you can on the Mailman bug. It is bound to help, and for the future.
19:35:57 <wilcal> nouveau is really just fine for that application
19:36:02 <stratocaster7> lewyssmith: WIll do.
19:36:56 <wilcal> anyone familiar with bind?
19:37:28 <lewyssmith> No, but it come up often, so we should have test info from past bugs.
19:38:07 <lewyssmith> And it says there *is* a test procedure.
19:38:26 <tjandrews> I had some problems with vbox years ago on an AMD/nvidia system, but that was because the hardware wasn't up to the job. Newer hardware has been great.
19:38:43 <wilcal> well sometimes those proceedures are career builders :-))
19:39:25 <wilcal> what I am up against is what gets installed first then next then next
19:39:46 <lewyssmith> Shall we move on? I can do.
19:39:50 <wilcal> yes
19:39:54 <lewyssmith> #topic Luigi's roundup - Security news & expected updates
19:40:17 <wilcal> "
19:40:19 <wilcal> New security bugs filed in the past week for bash, mupdf, irssi, policycoreutils,
19:40:20 <wilcal> libgd, freerdp, kdebase4-runtime (the kdesu command, specifically),
19:40:22 <wilcal> and Thunderbird 45.4 is available upstream so we'll be building that soon.
19:40:30 <wilcal> that was from Luigi this morning
19:40:49 <lewyssmith> How did you get that from him?
19:40:59 <wilcal> message to qa mail list
19:41:00 <rindolf> lewyssmith: on the mailing list
19:41:15 <lewyssmith> Ah. Have not got it yet then.
19:41:50 <krisNL> david's domain is on a spam list, i don;t get his mails either, they are blocked by gmail
19:42:27 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17536
19:42:40 <wilcal> has been on the list too long
19:42:50 <Akien> Yes, I had to make a filter to whitelist Luigi12 on gmail
19:43:36 <lewyssmith> -2 But is still under active discusssion between David & Len.
19:43:40 <tjandrews> krisNL: I whitelisted everything from QA on gmail. That took care of it.
19:44:00 <wilcal> should we grey out openjpeg2 for now
19:44:17 <lewyssmith> I asked that, and was told 'no'.
19:44:27 <lewyssmith> Take a look.
19:45:51 <lewyssmith> Shall we conclude?
19:45:58 <wilcal> yes please
19:46:03 <lewyssmith> #topic Anything else?
19:46:29 <wilcal> back to my kernel/vbox this weekend :-(
19:46:39 <wilcal> i have nothing else
19:46:51 <lewyssmith> Nor me. Just updates, updates.
19:47:09 <wilcal> continue till M5.1 & M6 come back
19:47:26 <brian_> sounds like a plan
19:47:34 <lewyssmith> Just 5.1 for now.
19:47:39 <wilcal> I do suggest doing a boot.iso install of M6 to keep up to date
19:47:55 <wilcal> do not set auto log-in
19:48:55 <lewyssmith> Countdown?
19:48:57 <wilcal> count it down lewys
19:49:00 <lewyssmith> -5
19:49:02 <lewyssmith> -4
19:49:04 <wilcal> later all
19:49:05 <lewyssmith> -3
19:49:16 <lewyssmith> Goodbye all, thanks for coming.
19:49:19 <lewyssmith> -2
19:49:24 <lewyssmith> -1
19:49:34 <lewyssmith> Liftoff.
19:49:52 <lewyssmith> #endmeeting