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19:03:07 <lewyssmith> #chair wilcal
19:03:07 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
19:03:15 <lewyssmith> Bill, can you be Dave?
19:03:20 <wilcal> OK
19:03:41 <lewyssmith> So kick off...
19:04:12 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:04:26 <wilcal> Anybody new here today
19:04:46 <lewyssmith> Anyone here today who is new? If so, please introduce yourself.
19:05:31 <wilcal> i don't see anyone new on the list
19:05:34 <ennael> (boooo)
19:05:40 <lewyssmith> Looks like not, Bill. So...
19:05:47 <wilcal> now on to the exciting part
19:05:59 <wilcal> #topic How's it looking? ( "Good Luck" Bug status, new ISOs )
19:06:28 <wilcal> Are we get'n close to new ISO's ennael?
19:07:02 <wilcal> fwiw huge changes to the M6 repo in the last 48
19:07:21 <wilcal> i did a successful Vbox boot.iso install this morning
19:07:32 <ennael> ok so as planned during council meeting here are the priorities
19:07:39 <ennael> we release first 5.1 isos
19:07:59 <ennael> time is passing and we give a way to our users to get an updated iso
19:08:06 <ennael> then we go back to 6
19:08:12 <ennael> updates are in progress
19:08:17 <ennael> especially on KDE side
19:08:18 <wilcal> yup that's the plan
19:08:40 <ennael> neoclust told me he is including plasma 5.8 which is LTS version
19:08:41 <wilcal> should be pretty clean
19:08:50 <ennael> so on 5.1 side
19:08:56 <ennael> I have first isos to be tested
19:09:17 <ennael> I've tested it here in a very minimal install
19:09:18 <lewyssmith> But there are important issues noted on the mailList.
19:09:25 <ennael> so feedback needed
19:09:40 <ennael> lewyssmith: issues on which version?
19:09:52 <lewyssmith> 5.1 To do with nonfree drivers.
19:10:15 <ennael> can you explain please or give a link
19:10:36 <lewyssmith> Perhaps it was just the Live ISOs. I will look now...
19:10:52 <Akien> After Mageia 5 was released, tmb decided to stop providing precompiled nonfree drivers on live ISOs, as it's a GPL violation
19:11:29 <Akien> So we expect that Live ISOs won't be able to use nonfree drivers, which might cause issues (or not, depending on the hardware and its support by the open source drivers)
19:11:37 <Akien> That's the discussion lewyssmith is referring to
19:11:38 <wilcal> we are only doing the CI's for 5.1 or the Live's too?
19:12:11 <ennael> CI?
19:12:17 <ennael> oh classical
19:12:21 <ennael> for now classical
19:12:21 <wilcal> ya
19:12:28 <wilcal> that's what I thought
19:12:32 <ennael> if blino as enough time he will build some
19:12:45 <wilcal> we also have an ISO team right
19:12:46 <ennael> he is helping some other guys so that we can have people working on it
19:13:11 <ennael> so
19:13:12 <lewyssmith> The thread is "Current release plans - Mageia 5.1 and 6 sta1" started by Rémi yesterday 1700.
19:13:27 <ennael> so I need a guy to send the information for iso sync
19:13:53 <ennael> tmb and MrsB used to do it
19:14:03 <lewyssmith> Repeat: what info?
19:14:11 <ennael> login and password
19:14:18 <ennael> password changes at each release
19:14:46 <ennael> thenthere must be a list of iso testers
19:15:11 <lewyssmith> Dave or myself or Bill should be able to do that - given the new password. There *is* an ISO tester Wiki page.
19:15:22 <wilcal> i do not have that list
19:15:38 <ennael> this password should not be published
19:16:25 <lewyssmith> wilcal: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_ISO_testers
19:16:44 <lewyssmith> ennael: It is sent out by private e-mails.
19:17:00 <ennael> ok
19:17:09 <ennael> so I mail you right now
19:17:39 <tjandrews> Hello. On my laptop,and trying to work at the same time. Hoping the boss doesn't catch me.
19:18:03 <ennael> tjandrews: just tell him you are working for the best linux os ever :)
19:18:24 <wilcal> M6 looks very good for me right now
19:18:42 <wilcal> still probs but now huge I think
19:18:49 <wilcal> not huge
19:19:05 <wilcal> Vbox works on M6 :-))
19:19:17 <ennael> here is the pad on 5.1
19:19:18 <ennael> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mageia5.1
19:19:33 <ennael> it's all updated, waiting for your feedbacks
19:20:06 <lewyssmith> Thanks. Can you put that in the ML message announcing the ISOs?
19:20:17 <ennael> yep
19:21:02 <lewyssmith> And every time as a reminder whenever (if) you push new ones?
19:21:12 <neoclust> ennael: yes plasma 5.8 in progress
19:21:24 <ennael> lewyssmith: yes
19:21:31 <wilcal> that was like Nov release right
19:22:07 <ennael> when 5.1 isos are ok we will work again on 6
19:22:17 <ennael> which should be sta2
19:22:36 <neoclust> ennael: give me some hours to finish to push new plasma
19:22:52 <tjandrews> Wondering if I'm going to have the same wifi problem with my laptop with the 5.1 isos. I think the Intel firmware needs to be updated.
19:22:55 <neoclust> ennael: i will push new Plasma config too  ( to fix path to the new backgrounds )
19:23:35 <wilcal> A working up to date M5.0 does not need to be updated to M5.1
19:23:40 <ennael> neoclust: no pb isos will start in one week about
19:23:51 <neoclust> ennael: ah ok :)
19:24:03 <neoclust> ennael: will be ok in one week ( in plasma side )
19:24:04 <neoclust> :)
19:25:17 <lewyssmith> ennael: Did you just send me personally the new rsync password? I see it has changed; but no msg.
19:25:35 <ennael> wait :)
19:26:12 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Bill, I will want to discuss the "good luck" bug before we finish this topic.
19:26:44 <ennael> lewyssmith: do you have a gpg key?
19:26:52 <wilcal> it's still there
19:27:08 <lewyssmith> ennael: No.
19:27:25 <ennael> in your box
19:28:04 <brian_> Hi all
19:28:07 <lewyssmith> Soon perhaps! Will let you know.
19:28:13 <wilcal> hello brian
19:29:03 <lewyssmith> OK, the "good luck" bug. Give me a moment.
19:29:51 <lewyssmith> I suggested on the ML splitting this in 2, one each for real h/w and VBox, because it was pointed out that problems were different.
19:30:01 <wilcal> This morning I did a Vbox client install of M6 Plasma x86_64
19:30:10 <wilcal> that booted to the "good luck" error
19:30:33 <wilcal> I added the kernel option "nomodeset" and it booted to a working desktop
19:30:40 <lewyssmith> Only Bill replied that he was OK. But before I dive in - it will e a big editing job - I would like other people's agreement. Please.
19:31:11 <krisNL> lewyssmith: please split
19:31:20 <lewyssmith> I would copy across existing comments to the most appropiate split bugs.
19:31:33 <wilcal> I believe that my real hardware version of this if set to auto login it will error to good luck
19:31:59 <tjandrews> Makes sense to me.
19:32:32 <lewyssmith> No info would be lost, but it would be filtered real HW/VBox to aid analysis.
19:32:50 <lewyssmith> Thereafter people would add to the appropriate bug.
19:32:54 <stratocaster7> I thought auto login fails only happend if the desktop pulldown was left at Default instead of picking a specific desktop. Yes? No?
19:33:23 <tjandrews> I didn't see it on real hardware until I applied autologin.
19:33:32 <lewyssmith> Most people are reporting that autoLogin works for them.
19:33:50 <wilcal> no prob if no auto login
19:33:55 <stratocaster7> tjandrews: DId you pick a desktop when you set it up or just leave it at Default?
19:34:02 <wilcal> error does not occur everywhere
19:34:11 <lewyssmith> Is that Plasma specific, or other desktops also?
19:34:15 <wilcal> I don't think it's an Nvidia problem
19:34:16 <tjandrews> I don't recall now.
19:34:31 <wilcal> Gnome and Plasma for sure for me
19:34:44 <stratocaster7> IIRC it's documented in one of the bugs that leaving it at Default will do it.
19:34:55 <krisNL> auto login xfce never had a problem
19:35:02 <tjandrews> Plasma for me, Intel graphics, no nvidia.
19:35:26 <lewyssmith> Anyway, without objections I will split the bug (and announce that, of course).
19:35:30 <brian_> I still think it could be a thread order issue in sddm.  My guess wilcal is you're running high end hardware with a lot of parallel engines
19:35:33 <tjandrews> I haven't tried Gnome.
19:35:49 <wilcal> I am running high end hardware everywhere
19:36:12 <wilcal> i7 4-cores 8-threads
19:36:24 <wilcal> 3.6Ghz
19:36:35 <brian_> yup - anyone not having issues - how about you?
19:36:59 <wilcal> Nvidia frame buffer
19:37:03 <brian_> the idea that waiting to login tells me something finishes in the background
19:37:35 <tjandrews> The only real hardware I've tried with M6 is an old Dell with a 64-bit P4 processor.
19:37:50 <brian_> and it does it to you tj.... True?
19:37:51 <stratocaster7> I think it is bug 19234 that refers to the Default problem re:autologin
19:38:02 <neoclust> ennael: btw with new isos, i would be happy to see plasma tests by the QA. The tests i would love to see done is to install and test kdepim suite ( kmail, etc ).
19:38:10 <neoclust> ennael: to be sure we don't lack requires
19:38:30 <brian_> ah back to deep tech  :-)
19:38:31 <lewyssmith> ennael: Anne, if you are still there, the password is fine thanks. But I only see mageia5.1
19:38:39 <tjandrews> It did it once. I eliminated that install and put M5 back so I could use the computer.
19:39:02 <ennael> lewyssmith: what do you want to see more?
19:39:11 <neoclust> lewyssmith: mga6 isos planned next week :)
19:39:31 <ennael> we focus on 5.1 for now
19:39:42 <lewyssmith> I expected to see all the 'old' ones, that's all. No problem.
19:39:49 <ennael> old ?
19:39:52 <ennael> you mean 5 ?
19:40:16 <ennael> we had to clean server to get some more room
19:40:21 <lewyssmith> Normally I see about 9 directories for all sorts back to 4.
19:40:44 <ennael> we had to move them in another file system
19:40:58 <lewyssmith> But if the server has been flushed out, that explains it.
19:41:52 <lewyssmith> Beware: there are no M6 ISOs to rsync now.
19:43:28 <lewyssmith> Both 32 & 64 bit 5.1 ISOs are there; downloading the 64.
19:43:35 <Benmc> QA- Good morrow
19:43:42 <lewyssmith> Classic.
19:43:48 <ennael> mail send on qa-discuss
19:43:59 <lewyssmith> Benmc: Hello Ben.
19:45:51 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Should we move on, Bill?
19:46:47 <wilcal> lets move on
19:46:57 <lewyssmith> Your call.
19:47:08 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates
19:47:26 <wilcal> list is getting longer again
19:48:21 <lewyssmith> + your favourite: flashPlayer.
19:48:46 <lewyssmith> We will have to let 1 OK do for now. Agree?
19:48:56 <wilcal> shoot that thing
19:49:16 <wilcal> what's up with openjpeg2?
19:49:26 <tjandrews> I happened to look this morning and I see quite a few that have been validated but not pushed yet.
19:50:33 <lewyssmith> It is advisories. I will attack them.
19:50:50 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17536
19:51:09 <wilcal> should this be put on the back burner?
19:51:37 <wilcal> David needs to make a decision on this one
19:51:42 <lewyssmith> Remind us please.
19:53:49 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: re Advisories, Dave normally does them; but maybe he is hors combat at present.
19:54:34 <lewyssmith> Bugs: what is 'slock'? Anyone know?
19:55:28 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Bill, what decision is wanting re openjpeg2?
19:56:04 <wilcal> 44 very technical comments no conclusions
19:56:32 <wilcal> IMO should be taken off the list
19:56:43 <wilcal> not ready for test
19:57:30 <wilcal> slock is a non managed package and security update. Candidate for clean install and that's it
19:58:25 <lewyssmith> Re all bugs awaiting 'pushing', I was wrong above. They all *have* advisories. I guess Dave has been busy. Sorry for getting it the wrong way round.
19:59:14 <tjandrews> OK. Just wondered about them.
19:59:40 <krisNL> i've tested 19312 file-roller, but no reaction. While 19278 got validated by wally :) These were my first testings.
20:00:17 <lewyssmith> Do we not invoke 'sysadmins' for pushing validated updates? Yet to learn for me.
20:00:25 <lewyssmith> krisNL: Thanks for that.
20:01:18 <krisNL> Q: do *I* have to put the OK stuff or is it not up to me? I was confused.
20:02:34 <brian_> you do add the ok stuff after testing
20:02:48 <krisNL> thx
20:03:00 <brian_> when I started out - I left the validated_ok up to a more senior person
20:03:13 <brian_> correction:  validated_update
20:03:16 <lewyssmith> Can I comment about this later? Your testing of the *updated* package was great; but we should start with the current version, then update it. I will explain in an e-mail.
20:04:36 <krisNL> ok
20:08:54 <alfred__> 8888888888888
20:10:08 <brian_> hi alfred__
20:10:57 <tjandrews> Oh, good. I was starting to think I had disconnected.
20:11:19 <wilcal> time to move on to Luigi's Updates
20:11:32 <wilcal> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:11:45 <wilcal> David's been handling a lot of this
20:12:11 <wilcal> Some new things to look at
20:12:24 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: Sorry, I was writing to Chris.
20:12:30 <wilcal> any idea what's in the pipeline?
20:13:58 <tjandrews> No problem. I was able to get some of that work done.
20:14:20 <wilcal> cool anyway it chugs along for now.
20:14:24 <wilcal> Lets move on again
20:14:34 <wilcal> #topic Anything Else?
20:14:46 <brian_> nothing from me
20:15:00 <wilcal> Main thing is the M5.1 isos followed by M6 isos
20:15:02 <brian_> I'll look for new password and instructions for 5.1
20:15:13 <wilcal> I have good time this weekend
20:15:30 <brian_> found a VM copy of an update MGA 4.1 - will test upgrade
20:16:04 <wilcal> 4.1 is still in the repo if you want to fuss around with that
20:16:23 <wilcal> it's way beyond EOL and not supported
20:16:52 <lewyssmith> Even for upgrading?
20:17:13 <wilcal> I have strong feelings about that others feel very differently
20:17:25 <wilcal> IMO M4.x does not exist
20:18:03 <lewyssmith> I think that update should work. 5.1 is aimed at people not already on Mageia 5[.1].
20:18:12 <wilcal> correct
20:18:30 <lewyssmith> Nothing more from me.  I have lots of Mageia homework - Ben knows!
20:18:34 <wilcal> try it and enjoy. If it does not work then IMO too bad
20:18:42 <tjandrews> It's a relief to get Mageia on this laptop. Updating a clean Windows 7 is nearly impossible.
20:19:03 <krisNL> General Q: there are more than 170 subscr on the qa list, but only a handful are actively testing. Why is that?
20:19:06 <wilcal> I don't pollute any of my system with that thing
20:19:38 <Benmc> Anyone know how to  update the IRC header to include "https://pad.riseup.net/p/mageia5.1" ?
20:20:16 <tjandrews> It was on the hard drive when I bought the laptop.
20:20:16 <lewyssmith> krisNL: Sore point, Chris. BTW I have sent that msg.
20:21:01 <wilcal> there's a very good utility called killdisk.com for that
20:21:14 <Bequimao> good bye
20:21:21 <lewyssmith> I have been out of action most of the summer, but should be more evident henceforth.
20:21:50 <wilcal> many thanks I think we're about done for today anything else
20:22:03 <lewyssmith> Bill, thanks for Dave'ing. Goodbye all. countdown.
20:22:13 <wilcal> many thanks for all
20:22:13 <lewyssmith> -5
20:22:14 <brian_> krisNl: people sign-up and listen I think
20:22:18 <wilcal> bye all
20:22:21 <lewyssmith> -4
20:22:27 <lewyssmith> -3
20:22:31 <lewyssmith> -2
20:22:34 <lewyssmith> -1
20:22:41 <krisNL> brian_: must be entertaining
20:22:45 <lewyssmith> #endmeeting