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19:05:13 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello.
19:05:34 <DavidWHodgins> Hi everyone. Anyone here who hasn't been to a qa team irc meeting before?
19:06:28 <tarazed> Morning gang.
19:06:35 <DavidWHodgins> Hiya tarazed
19:06:56 <DavidWHodgins> I don't see anyone new in the list. Not many here today at all
19:06:59 <tarazed> Alexander Sirris said he would join us.  His moniker is not in the list above.
19:07:03 <rindolf> tarazed: hi.
19:07:11 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Mageia 5.1
19:07:33 <tarazed> rindolf: You OK about me mentoring alexander?
19:07:41 <krisNL> hi everyone
19:07:46 <rindolf> tarazed: do you mean assiris?
19:07:50 <rindolf> tarazed: yes, I am.
19:07:53 <tarazed> Yep.
19:08:01 <rindolf> krisNL: hi, sup?
19:08:06 <DavidWHodgins> Anne posted here about half an hour ago that the Mageia 5.1 iso images are being delayed due to space problems on the rabbit server
19:08:20 <rindolf> tarazed: didn't you get my reply email?
19:08:53 <ennael> can I move temporary RC isos ?
19:09:12 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: Yes. 5.1 is our priority right now
19:09:14 <tarazed> rindolf: No - but lots of mails seem to end up in the wrong bin.  Will check.
19:09:22 <ennael> pb is we have now 2 x 100Go for local repo
19:09:26 <ennael> so server is full
19:10:13 <DavidWHodgins> Does rabbit still have older releases on it, like Mageia 2, that could be deleted?
19:10:24 <ennael> DavidWHodgins: can you please mail QA about RC isos
19:10:32 <ennael> to avoid people syncing
19:10:52 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, I'll do that.
19:10:56 <krisNL> and the netinstall isos don't match the new kernel
19:11:21 <DavidWHodgins> They have to be rebuilt too
19:11:40 <wilcal> I only rsync 5&6
19:11:45 <wilcal> here
19:11:56 <wilcal> I don't have 4 anymore
19:12:04 <krisNL> yes, rindol got a server full or something when trying to build
19:12:05 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: Will you be creating Magia 5.1 boot.iso and boot-nonfree.iso images too?
19:12:33 <rindolf> krisNL: heh.
19:12:34 <ennael> we have do it manually as it's rather a iurt job when we build drakx-installer-images
19:12:36 <brian_> hi - so best QA stay out of the test world until ennael or David gives us an okay?
19:12:39 <ennael> have to check this
19:13:25 <DavidWHodgins> brian_: We'll post to the qa-discuss mailing list, when the 5.1 iso images are ready
19:13:46 <brian_> but stay out for mga6 too correct?
19:14:38 <DavidWHodgins> Yep.
19:15:12 <wilcal> huge changes to the M6 repo in the last few days
19:15:28 <wilcal> almost 600 rpm updates on my installs here
19:15:53 <brian_> lol - i think this machine is synching them now
19:16:19 <DavidWHodgins> I've just posted to the discuss mailing list to avoid syncing RC images for now
19:16:21 <wilcal> my hardware m6 updated and came back ok whew
19:16:30 <ennael> DavidWHodgins: thanks
19:16:50 <wilcal> By Sat new ISO's
19:16:56 <ennael> ?
19:17:20 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: eta for 5.1 iso images
19:17:37 <ennael> no idea for now
19:17:47 <DavidWHodgins> Ok
19:17:52 <ennael> I have to test a build but for now we are cleaning the build server
19:18:48 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Thanks
19:19:26 <DavidWHodgins> #info Magia 5.1 iso images are being worked on. Watch the qa-discuss mailing list for announcement, when ready
19:19:32 <brian_> dumb question - should I stop updates from MGa6 repo?
19:19:49 <DavidWHodgins> Are you running your own local repo?
19:20:10 <brian_> no - just running standard software manager updates from PC
19:20:22 <Luigi12> no you can still do that
19:20:27 <brian_> ok
19:20:31 <Luigi12> the ISOs are a totally separate thing
19:20:38 <krisNL> brian: just avoid the isos
19:20:44 <wilcal> m6 is in a great state of flux right now
19:20:49 <brian_> will do - np
19:20:53 <DavidWHodgins> That will be using a regular mirror, so it's fine. It's only the testing iso images which are on the server called rabitt, that are affected
19:21:12 <brian_> yes  - no dorsync
19:21:42 <brian_> <<<duh>>>
19:21:58 <DavidWHodgins> Correct, or when done, explicitly specify the 5.1 iso tree only, not all iso images
19:22:46 <DavidWHodgins> I think dorsync does specify one release tree only, normally. I use my own script developed before dorsync
19:23:16 <Luigi12> tv just pushed a fix for the lack of colors on the initial boot screen for boot.iso and classical
19:23:41 <Luigi12> (thanks to Akien for committing the fix in git and to Ady and myself for diagnosing the issue)
19:24:28 <DavidWHodgins> Hopefully the 5.1 iso images will be quick to test. Primarily we're looking for boot problems, or things missing, that were present for the initial Mageia 5 release
19:24:54 <DavidWHodgins> The sooner we can get the 5.1 iso images out, the sooner we can get back to testing Mageia 6
19:24:56 <wilcal> install of m5.1 will be the same thing as an updating m5.0
19:25:06 <Luigi12> yeah I fully expect they'll *work* so mainly just make sure the things that are supposed to be on the ISOs are there
19:25:10 <DavidWHodgins> Should be.
19:25:29 <Luigi12> suppose it might be worth a test on some newer hardware that 5.1 supports that 5 didn't
19:25:29 <wilcal> no need to erase a good, running and updating m5.0
19:25:40 <DavidWHodgins> Hopefully under a week before release (knock on wood). :-)
19:26:04 <krisNL> will there be live 5.1 isos as well or only classical?
19:26:05 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12: Yes, if anyone here has any
19:26:20 <wilcal> i don't think any live media
19:26:59 <rindolf> brian_: I'm seeing the ~500 on mageia cauldron now.
19:27:00 <DavidWHodgins> Good point. Mageia 5.1 may be classical install iso images only, no live images.
19:27:25 <wilcal> that will make testing pretty easy
19:27:50 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. I'd like to see live images too, but we have, what we have.
19:27:55 <stormi> don't forget testing upgrades from mga4 I think
19:28:03 <stormi> (hi)
19:28:20 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch. I didn't even think about that.
19:28:31 <wilcal> 4 is obsolete so irrlevant
19:28:40 <stormi> really?
19:28:45 <wilcal> imo y
19:28:57 <stormi> so my mga4 computer can't be updated to mga 5.1?
19:29:01 <stormi> sounds weird
19:29:07 <tarazed> But if someone is running it they may want to upgrade.
19:29:11 <DavidWHodgins> It's eol, but we should still test updating from 4.0 to 5.1
19:29:13 <wilcal> to 5 yes not to 5.1 but imo it will work
19:29:18 <krisNL> if people already running 4, they are able to use 5.0
19:29:19 <brian_> I think I may have a VM I could test.  LOL
19:29:31 <stormi> I share DavidWHodgins' view
19:29:42 <Luigi12> mga5 is still supported, so upgrades from mga4 are relevant
19:29:46 <stormi> we don't release updated images of a stable release if they can't upgrade anymore
19:30:00 <Luigi12> probably is worth an upgrade test to make sure our updates haven't caused any regressions w.r.t. that
19:30:02 <DavidWHodgins> I'll have to create a Mageia 4 vb guest first, that that's something I can do while waiting for the 5.1 iso images to become available
19:30:45 <wilcal> i tossed all my m4 stuff so i'd have to start from scratch
19:30:48 <DavidWHodgins> stormi: Thanks for bringing up that topic
19:30:57 <Luigi12> just make sure it's a fully updated mga4 that you upgrade from
19:31:03 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
19:31:10 <Luigi12> I know we pushed some fixes to mga4 to upgrade->mga5 issues
19:31:48 <Luigi12> I was thinking about updating the mga5 kernel before we do 5.1, but I guess maybe not
19:31:53 <DavidWHodgins> I'll start a couple of Mageia 4 VB installs (one i586 and one x86_64) after the meeting, to have ready for testing upgrades
19:32:03 <Luigi12> I'm stuck on figuring out how tmb found the CVEs fixed in the stable kernel updates, I have no idea where he got that info from
19:32:16 <Luigi12> if anyone is in touch with tmb, please ask him about that (ennael?)
19:33:52 <DavidWHodgins> #info Don't forget to test upgrading from Mageia 4 to 5.1, when the 5.1 iso images are ready
19:34:24 <DavidWHodgins> #info A message will be sent to the iso-testers group, when the 5.1 iso images are ready
19:34:45 <Luigi12> IIRC "Skylake" hardware is what was supposed to work in 5.1 that didn't in 5
19:35:12 <DavidWHodgins> Yeah, but do any of our testers have that type of hardware available?
19:35:37 <brian_> Only for live media, which does work already fyi (5.0)
19:35:56 <brian_> meaning I have skylake laptop, but not for install
19:36:38 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone have any questions about the upcoming 5.1 iso images?
19:37:00 <wilcal> i'm ready
19:37:01 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Mageia 6 - How's it looking? ( what are the real blockers? )
19:37:35 <wilcal> well the "good luck" stuff
19:37:37 <DavidWHodgins> https://framacalc.org/mga6-release-blockers
19:37:38 <[mbot> [ Framacalc - tableur collaboratif en ligne ]
19:37:42 <Luigi12> https://framacalc.org/mga6-release-blockers  is the list of blockers we're tracking
19:37:53 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:38:19 <Luigi12> it's currently sorted by bug assignee
19:38:42 <DavidWHodgins> We need everyone to review the bugs they've reported, to see if it should be a blocker. If in doubt, ask on the qa-discuss ml
19:38:46 <Luigi12> we're planning to have a developer meeting to decide what to do about each of them and who will be in charge of each of them
19:39:00 <krisNL> my xfce install m6 is solid and everything works, on real hardware and in VB - but in VB the kernel 4.7.3 didn't solve the boot problem, still nomodeset needed.
19:39:16 <Luigi12> I would expect nomodeset will continue to be needed
19:39:28 <Luigi12> our installer probably needs to be adjusted to add that for VB installs
19:39:40 <DavidWHodgins> Does nomodeset cause problems on installs that don't need it?
19:39:58 <Luigi12> probably on some real hardware ones, yes
19:40:27 <DavidWHodgins> Ok
19:40:30 <Luigi12> in fact, on some of our old Dell PowerEdge servers at work, it would cause a problem indeed (if we wanted to run X on them anyway)
19:41:22 <Luigi12> at the very least it breaks the X.org module "modesetting."  I don't know if disabling it hurts anything else.  It might break KMS high-resolution consoles.
19:41:48 <Luigi12> which in turn might break other things that depend on KMS working, if that's the case
19:42:01 <Luigi12> I think my workstation at home, X doesn't work if KMS isn't working, IIRC
19:42:05 <tjandrews> Hello, All. Thunderstorms approaching, but I have a few minutes. If things get too intense, I'll have to duck out.
19:42:13 <wilcal> hi ya tj
19:42:15 <krisNL> could it break touchpad and keyboards on intel hardware?
19:42:22 <Luigi12> no
19:42:23 <DavidWHodgins> If you have the space, try to keep both the current RC iso images (to be renamed sta2) later, and the 5.1 iso images
19:42:48 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: Ok. Thanks for letting us know. In this area too, though not here currently
19:43:43 <wilcal> I only worry about earthquakes and brush fires
19:43:50 <wilcal> :-((
19:44:10 <wilcal> had more of those then rain
19:44:26 <DavidWHodgins> #info Everyone please review all Mageia 6 bug reports you've opened, to see if they should be considered release blockers
19:44:46 <Luigi12> usual criteria is primarily things that cannot be fixed after the release
19:44:56 <Luigi12> but for now can also include issues that make mga6 practically unusable
19:45:02 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, especially on live iso images
19:45:21 <Luigi12> yes, things affecting Lives or affecting the classical installer especially
19:45:36 <stratocaster7> FWIW - just tested my radeon with nomodeset and it causes it to fail to the 'good luck'. Doesn't do that otherwise.
19:45:42 <DavidWHodgins> Especially if they stop updates from being installed, after a classical install
19:45:48 <Luigi12> stratocaster7: yeah that sounds right, thanks for confirming
19:46:28 <tarazed> Are we going to have Live 5.1 isos?
19:46:37 <Luigi12> not initially, maybe later
19:46:39 <DavidWHodgins> tarazed: Unlikely
19:47:03 <DavidWHodgins> Depends on how are new live iso builder(s) make out
19:47:07 <Luigi12> some people are going to try to learn how to build Live ISOs so they can potentially help with mga6.  We may or may not release them for 5.1.
19:47:40 <tarazed> But we should still look at contingent release blockers?
19:47:55 <Luigi12> contingent?
19:48:00 <tjandrews> Tracking says my "new" laptop will arrive on Saturday, but it will be a while before I do much with Mageia 6, or even 5.1, with it. I need to get a hard drive bigger than 160GB.
19:48:22 <tarazed> associated maybe better.
19:48:29 <DavidWHodgins> The identify release blockers is for Mageia 6, where live iso images will be available, eventually
19:48:48 <tarazed> OK, thanks.
19:49:14 <Benmc> QA, good morning
19:49:30 <rindolf> Benmc: morning
19:49:38 <DavidWHodgins> The 5.1 iso images should require minimal testing. Basically, does it work, and does upgrading from a fully up-to-date Mageia 4 work.
19:49:48 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa Ben
19:49:58 <Luigi12> and is nothing missing from the ISO that should be there
19:50:40 <DavidWHodgins> And they don't reopen bug 11446
19:50:42 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11446 enhancement, Normal, ennael1, REOPENED , consider making the size of the clasic istallation iso's smaller
19:52:00 <DavidWHodgins> The 4GB flash drive size limit of 3,957,325,824 bytes
19:52:08 <Benmc> rindolf: chilly, snowed last night just up the hill from me
19:52:38 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing updates - Any difficulties, problems, issues?
19:52:38 <rindolf> Benmc: ah.
19:52:57 <DavidWHodgins> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates
19:52:59 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
19:53:25 <wilcal> imo Vbox can be pushed
19:53:34 <wilcal> looks good
19:53:46 <Luigi12> I don't think so
19:53:48 <DavidWHodgins> The list is small. The two with "OK's on them are just waiting for me to add the advisories to svn, which I'll do after this meeting
19:53:59 <Luigi12> audio regression in VB 5.1.4, so I don't anticpiate pushing it
19:54:07 <wilcal> what's the prob with Vbox Luigi?
19:54:15 <tjandrews> Ben: near-record heat here today, low 90's F.
19:54:36 <Luigi12> wilcal: I already said on the bug.  ogg123 is choppy as hell and there's some choppiness every time a track starts in Amarok
19:54:39 <tarazed> Have a problem deciding on status of openjpeg2
19:55:11 <Luigi12> for openjpeg2 we need someone who can figure out how to use AddressSanitizer.  I do believe it requires rebuilding the source with it.
19:55:19 <Luigi12> I think MrsB might have known how to use it, not sure
19:55:23 <tarazed> For sure.
19:56:06 <tarazed> Would the package be released with asan support built in?
19:56:17 <Luigi12> no, this is something you would rebuild yourself locally
19:56:34 <Luigi12> just for testing purposes
19:56:50 <tarazed> So it reaLL NEEDS DEV SKILLS
19:57:03 <Luigi12> I also found out today about two more CVEs, so I'll have to add more patches to openjpeg2
19:57:20 <Luigi12> tarazed: I dunno, I don't think it actually requires developer skills
19:57:36 <DavidWHodgins> If we can't recreate the proof of concepts, all we can do is test that the package works for normal use
19:57:50 <tarazed> That it does.
19:58:26 <DavidWHodgins> Then, as it is a security update, I'm inclined to go ahead and validate it. Just need the advisory first.
19:58:32 <Luigi12> we know it works
19:58:40 <Luigi12> the issue is I need that ASAN test to know which CVEs to put in the advisory
19:59:11 <tjandrews> For some of us, the words "build locally" mean "developer skills required."
19:59:18 <Luigi12> anyway, I have to look into patching more CVEs for it anyway, so it'll give y'all a little bit more time to see if anyone can figure it out
19:59:19 <DavidWHodgins> tjandrews: It does
19:59:20 <tarazed> If I knew how to get the source I would have a go.
19:59:39 <Luigi12> tarazed: OK I can help you with that
19:59:47 <tarazed> thanks.
20:02:28 <Luigi12> then it *might* be as easy as adding -fsanitize=address to CFLAGS, I guess we'll see
20:02:36 <DavidWHodgins> For bug 19296, jsh requires having an sshd server available, and using X forwarding, for testing
20:02:37 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19296 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , jsch new security issue CVE-2016-5725, jsch-0.1.53-5.mga6.src.rpm
20:02:43 <tarazed> That was my impression.
20:02:43 <Luigi12> I'll write some instructions on the bug openjpeg2 bug
20:03:14 <tarazed> Thanks again
20:03:53 <DavidWHodgins> I don't see any other problem bugs, as far as testing is concerned. Just a matter of getting around to testing them, and getting the advisories upoloaded to svn
20:04:09 <Luigi12> DavidWHodgins: thanks for testing a whole bunch of them this week
20:04:26 <Luigi12> the mariadb one should be an easy one to test if someone wants to take a crack at it
20:04:27 <DavidWHodgins> You're welcome. New meds gave me an energy push. :-)
20:04:31 <Luigi12> nice
20:04:40 <Luigi12> maybe we could all use some
20:04:44 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:05:01 <brian_> I second that
20:05:20 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Luigi's roundup - Security news & expected updates
20:05:32 <DavidWHodgins> Tell us there aren't any. :-)
20:06:08 <Luigi12> there are
20:06:15 <wilcal> is their another flash crisis? A couple sites refused to display content unless updated
20:06:18 <Luigi12> chromium-browser-stable needs updated to 53
20:06:22 <DavidWHodgins> Surprise, surprise.
20:06:36 <Luigi12> wilcal: check to see if ours is outdated and let Anssi know if so
20:07:00 <Luigi12> chromium-browser-stable needs updated to 53
20:07:06 <Luigi12> mailman needs to be patched or updated
20:07:20 <Luigi12> libksba update is in SVN, I just need to push the build to mga5
20:07:20 <DavidWHodgins> Saw an anouncment that flash for linux is getting an updated version. Don't know if it's available yet
20:07:27 <Luigi12> no it's just a beta now
20:07:50 <Luigi12> ganglia-web has an XSS issue, not sure yet if mga5 is affected
20:08:02 <Luigi12> graphicsmagick update is also in SVN just waiting for me to push the build
20:08:10 <Luigi12> 389-ds-base needs to be updated
20:08:30 <Luigi12> libtomcrypt needs to be patched
20:08:44 <Luigi12> tomcat may have an httpoxy issue, not sure if we're affected
20:09:05 <Luigi12> php-adodb is succeptible to SQL injections, not sure if we'll update it for mga5
20:09:18 <Luigi12> file-roller needs a patch backported from upstream
20:09:32 <Luigi12> libtorrent-rasterbar may need a patch, not sure yet if mga5 is affected
20:09:39 <Luigi12> icu needs a patch backported from upstream
20:10:04 <Luigi12> I'll probably do the nodejs update soon, it's been waiting for months
20:10:04 <DavidWHodgins> #info updates expected (when ready) for chromium-browser-stable, mailman, libksba, graphicsmagick, 389-ds-base, libtomcrypt, possibly ganglia-web and php-adodb, file-roller, libtorrent-rasterbar, icu
20:10:22 <Luigi12> we still have some other older ones that need packager attention
20:10:40 <Luigi12> Thunderbird 45.3.0 is pending a build issue in Cauldron being fixed
20:10:52 <Luigi12> oh I still need to push that libpng update for mga5 too
20:11:03 <Luigi12> I'll probably do that after Thunderbird is built
20:11:14 <Luigi12> I still need to update libtiff to latest SVN
20:11:51 <Luigi12> might do a kernel update if we ever get word from tmb how to find out about the CVEs
20:12:14 <DavidWHodgins> #info nodejs, and others that need packagers attention. Thunderbird, libpng, libtiff, and kernels too
20:12:17 <Luigi12> need to update imagemagick again for mga5 at some point
20:12:36 <DavidWHodgins> For the kernels, worst case, release it without the cve list
20:12:58 <DavidWHodgins> Add them to the advisory later, when found
20:13:32 <DavidWHodgins> I wouldn't let the lack of a list of cve ids block releasing the update
20:14:04 <DavidWHodgins> #info imagemagick needs an update too
20:14:19 <Luigi12> some we're waiting for packagers on still include golang, lighttpd, tor, mongodb, stunnel, nodejs-minimatch, perl-CGI-Emulate-PSGI, binutils, ocaml, puppet, wget, perl, flex, kdelibs4, slock, apache-mod_fcgid
20:15:02 <DavidWHodgins> #info packagers work needed on golang, lighttpd, tor, mongodb, stunnel, nodejs-minimatch, perl-CGI-Emulate-PSGI, binutils, ocaml, puppet, wget, perl, flex, kdelibs4, slock, apache-mod_fcgid
20:15:26 <DavidWHodgins> Wow. What a list
20:15:50 <wilcal> wave on the way :-0
20:16:01 <Luigi12> yeah it's really getting tough
20:16:03 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12: Is that it?
20:16:07 <Luigi12> I hope so
20:16:36 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for the list, and all of the effort it takes to keep track of everything that needs updates
20:17:07 <DavidWHodgins> I guess that just leaves
20:17:11 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else?
20:17:38 <DavidWHodgins> So, does anyone have anything to add, or any questions?
20:17:38 <wilcal> I don't have anything
20:18:03 <tarazed> Luigi12: how long can you keep this up?  You did say you were going to have to step back a bit.
20:18:18 <Luigi12> I may be moving to my new job on Monday (hopefully)
20:18:26 <Luigi12> so I should have less time to work on Mageia then
20:18:42 <DavidWHodgins> Good luck with the new job!
20:18:55 <Luigi12> this week I'm connecting to the internet through my cell phone to do stuff, since there's not much to do at work
20:19:25 <Luigi12> so I've been able to do some Mageia work this week, but I'll be pretty busy in my new job, and not sure what my internet access will be like
20:19:31 <Luigi12> hoping I can still be on IRC at least
20:19:58 <Luigi12> I did finally get quassel-core set up at home, which I'm connecting to via quassel-client through an SSH tunnel to my computer at home
20:20:26 <Luigi12> it's *so* sweet, so hopefully I'll be able to do that at my new job
20:20:40 <brian_> neat
20:21:09 <brian_> I was going to say, in U.S. data can get pricey quick
20:21:15 <brian_> don't know about canada
20:21:23 <Luigi12> yeah I actually had to get my mom to increase our data plan
20:21:33 <DavidWHodgins> I have an old laptop, that I only use for konversation, that I can ssh into. It's hard drive is too small to be useful for testing
20:21:38 <Luigi12> otherwise I was gonna run us over our allowance because of what I'm doing at work this week
20:21:53 <Luigi12> (hopefully I won't push us over it still)
20:22:29 <wilcal> fwiw AT&T Uverse has been essentiallly forced to increase their data caps to 1TB
20:22:43 <Luigi12> nice thing about quassel-client is it will download the backlog from the core so you see all the messages from when you weren't connected, so you never miss anything (assuming your core stays connected)
20:22:50 <brian_> yeah - close the browser often.  brother ran his 2 GB up overnight leaving it open while some page pushed ads
20:22:56 <DavidWHodgins> data plans are a cash grab. Once the hardware is in place, it doesn't cost them any more, or any less, based on data usage
20:22:57 <Luigi12> and you don't have to make multiple IRC connections, which is why I don't have Luigi12_lappy and Luigi12_work now
20:23:29 <DavidWHodgins> Just noticed that Luigi12 is marked as away
20:23:40 <Luigi12> yeah since I always mark Luigi12 away when I leave home for the week
20:23:54 <Luigi12> hehe
20:24:05 <Luigi12> I guess I'll have to change my routines on that
20:24:08 <DavidWHodgins> So, if in doubt, we should ping you to see if you're around
20:24:28 <Luigi12> yeah, I'll see it eventually now, whereas before I might not have seen it for a week
20:24:37 <Luigi12> eventually as in soon (same day)
20:25:29 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like it's countdown time.
20:25:36 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5
20:25:39 <tarazed> Anyway, thanks for everything you have done for the team.
20:25:39 <wilcal> i agree
20:25:43 <wilcal> bye all
20:25:46 <DavidWHodgins> Me too
20:25:50 <brian_> ditto
20:25:51 <DavidWHodgins> t - 4
20:25:57 <DavidWHodgins> t - 3
20:26:01 <DavidWHodgins> t - 2
20:26:01 <tarazed> Arrividerci
20:26:03 <tjandrews> Same here.
20:26:06 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone
20:26:10 <DavidWHodgins> t -1
20:26:14 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting