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19:03:45 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal lewyssmith
19:03:45 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins lewyssmith wilcal
19:03:59 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello.
19:04:26 <lewyssmith> [Nice to have a candidate tonight]
19:04:29 <DavidWHodgins> krisNL: This is the part where it's time to introduce yourself. Others will do the same
19:05:06 <DavidWHodgins> I'm Dave Hodgins from London, Ontario, Canada, deputy leader of the qa team since the leaders were first elected
19:05:11 <krisNL> I'm Chris from Amsterdam. Logtime mandrake, mandriva, mageia user.
19:05:15 <lewyssmith> Be fair, he has already done that very well on the mailList.
19:05:24 <wilcal> Amsterdam my 2nd home :-))
19:05:27 * krisNL is a she
19:05:41 <lewyssmith> Sorry...
19:05:48 <DavidWHodgins> Background is with IBM mainframes, been working with software since 79
19:05:52 <wilcal> Live in Amsterdam or near it?
19:06:12 <krisNL> amsterdam right in the center at the cansl.
19:06:25 <wilcal> my goodness
19:06:25 <krisNL> canals
19:06:33 <wilcal> "wilcal" for (Wil)liam in (Cal)ifornia, live near San Diego ( Surf City USA )
19:06:34 <wilcal> First official College computer class in Sept 1964, Computer Engineer 1968
19:07:00 <wilcal> I lived in Almere 85 -> 88
19:07:47 <lewyssmith> Lewis, a Celtic expat living in France. Long in the tooth like so many of us, mainframe background, long time Linux user.
19:08:31 <wilcal> any question is a great question
19:08:39 <wilcal> any help is great help
19:08:50 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, the only dumb question is the one that isn't asked
19:09:26 <Bequimao> Hi all!
19:09:49 <DavidWHodgins> HIYa Bequimao
19:09:51 <lewyssmith> Hello Bequimao.
19:10:02 <krisNL> I was asked to test the live iso functions - any idea when we can expect the next RC?
19:10:23 <lewyssmith> Delicate question at present.
19:10:39 <DavidWHodgins> Not sure. I'll send you the info with the password etc, after the meeting
19:10:50 <krisNL> thanks
19:11:13 <wilcal> I use the boot.iso install between iso releases
19:11:19 <DavidWHodgins> Guess we may as well move on to the next topic
19:11:22 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Mageia 6 - How's it looking?
19:11:39 <DavidWHodgins> As everyone knows, it can be summed up as lousy
19:11:39 <lewyssmith> Bogged down on the "good luck" issue.
19:11:58 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19216
19:12:00 <[mbot> Bug 19216: critical, release_blocker, kde, NEW , no graphical display, "good luck" error, sddm
19:12:14 <wilcal> is still a very serious problem
19:12:15 <lewyssmith> I agree with Bill that if that is cracked, a lot of hurdles will fall.
19:12:32 <DavidWHodgins> With tmb leaving, it's going to take a while for the developers and iso builders to sort out who does what
19:12:33 <lewyssmith> if := when
19:12:37 <wilcal> that bug just makes using M6 very difficult
19:12:49 <wilcal> ya I agree David
19:13:02 <DavidWHodgins> He was our only kernel debugger
19:13:08 <lewyssmith> - 3 Or impossible to install.
19:13:18 <wilcal> it occurs differently on different systems
19:13:42 <krisNL> The good luck thing is release critical, i think. I'm working on it.
19:13:48 <lewyssmith> papoteur_: Bonsoir Yves.
19:13:50 <DavidWHodgins> Inconsistent problems are always the hardest to track down and when fixed, confirmed that it's fixed
19:14:15 <papoteur_> lewyssmith: Salutations
19:14:20 <lewyssmith> I suspect more kernel version than video driver.
19:14:33 <wilcal> Did you see my comment that targeting FOSDEM 2017 ( 1st week Feb ) is a realistic target date for M6?
19:14:56 <lewyssmith> Sensible, certainly.
19:15:06 <wilcal> got to take the pressure off everybody
19:15:15 <lewyssmith> Agree very much.
19:15:16 <wilcal> M5 is really really solid right now
19:15:20 <DavidWHodgins> If things don't appear to be improving drastically in the next few days, I'll ask council to approve releasing STA2 instead of RC, at the next meeting (should be next Tuesday)
19:15:51 <wilcal> sounds like a good plan David. I would support you on that
19:15:56 <lewyssmith> Go back earlier in my view.
19:15:57 <DavidWHodgins> That means more work for the iso builders though, which is currently a problem
19:16:51 <lewyssmith> Don't forget version UNfreeze to start with.
19:17:10 <DavidWHodgins> We won't go back to a dev release, as that would mean lifting the version freeze, which would make caludron even more unstable
19:17:46 <lewyssmith> You know I think we should unfreeze version to allow a catch-up.
19:18:02 <lewyssmith> I doubt that it would cause problems worse than we have.
19:18:09 <DavidWHodgins> The whole purpose of version freeze is to only allow version updates, where it fixes known bugs
19:18:55 <DavidWHodgins> Beleive me, opening all updates again would introduce lots of new bugs and require massive amount of retesting
19:19:21 <lewyssmith> Of what? More than what?
19:20:05 <lewyssmith> Bill made the good point that Magei 6 could apper too out-of-date.
19:20:09 <DavidWHodgins> It would be like when cauldron first reopens after release. It becomes very unstable
19:20:44 <DavidWHodgins> I'm more concerned with it being a working stable release, then having the latest version of every package
19:21:17 <lewyssmith> No dispute fundamentally.
19:21:36 <DavidWHodgins> Anyway, that will be a council decision, as it affects more teams than just the qa team
19:21:47 <lewyssmith> *Working* being the operative word.
19:22:22 <lewyssmith> Are we agreed that all M6 effort goes currently to "good luck"?
19:22:43 <DavidWHodgins> At the council meeting, I'll suggust the options of trying to fix RC, releasing STA2, or going back to a DEV release.
19:22:59 <wilcal> I think that's a pretty accurate statement on M6
19:23:14 <wilcal> But you can get it into a situation where it does not
19:23:15 <lewyssmith> DavidWHodgins: Thanks.
19:23:24 <wilcal> that can convince you there's nothing wrong
19:23:34 <DavidWHodgins> #info At the next council meeting, I'll suggust the options of trying to fix RC, releasing STA2, or going back to a DEV release.
19:23:36 <Bequimao> Here it looks fine. Exception is autologin, but it can fix it manually.
19:24:02 <lewyssmith> That should not be necessary.
19:24:12 <DavidWHodgins> That's the thing. It seems to be hardware dependent
19:24:54 <lewyssmith> Is it only me who cannot boot the latest Gnome Live ISO even to run it?
19:25:29 <DavidWHodgins> Going back to a STA2 release would open it up to more variety of hardware, without risking giving Mageia a bad name by calling it a RC candidate
19:25:36 <krisNL> Autologin is also broken??? Sorry to ask. Today made a fresh vbox install, autologin works for me.
19:25:44 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:25:53 <DavidWHodgins> That was a net install?
19:26:06 <krisNL> yes, net iso.
19:26:11 <lewyssmith> -4 OK, better STA2 than RC.
19:26:19 <DavidWHodgins> So maybe it's been fixed, but new iso images need to be built
19:26:45 <DavidWHodgins> Or it could be something missing from the iso images
19:27:13 <wilcal> Even successful installs without "good luck" should be mentioned in 19216
19:28:17 <krisNL> good luck - and autologin are different things, no? I got the good luck, but working auto login
19:28:26 <Bequimao> I did not test autologin with new installs. I switched to autologin in mcc: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19234
19:28:27 <[mbot> Bug 19234: critical, Normal, thierry.vignaud, NEW , MCC: Set up autologin corrupts file /etc/sddm.conf, causing X to fail, drakxtools
19:29:32 <Bequimao> krisML: Here the other way round.
19:30:13 <krisNL> lightdm: autologin works. is it a sddm bug?
19:30:16 <DavidWHodgins> According to comment 3, Thierry couldn't recreate the bug. So either it's been fixed, or there's a problem with what's on the iso images
19:31:29 <DavidWHodgins> ping ennael
19:31:30 <Bequimao> Here it is not resolved. I could not comment it yet.
19:32:02 <DavidWHodgins> Doesn't look like she's around right now
19:32:07 <lewyssmith> krisNL: SDDM seems problematic with auto-login. But when installing, one does not have the choice of Display Manager.
19:32:13 <wilcal> Still summer
19:32:32 <lewyssmith> & sizzling in France.
19:33:16 <DavidWHodgins> Ok to summarize as "New iso images need to be built, to confirm what's fixed, and what isn't"?
19:33:49 <lewyssmith> Ideally. But we should analyse the data we have as Len suggested.
19:34:46 <lewyssmith> Shall I have a go at that? It would start with a simple mailList questionnaire.
19:35:10 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, please do so
19:36:04 <lewyssmith> I will use the dedicated ML topic & bug as base data, plus questions. OK?
19:36:14 <DavidWHodgins> Sure
19:36:30 <lewyssmith> Let's move on then, perhaps.
19:36:48 <DavidWHodgins> Anyway, there isn't much we can do till the sysadmins sort out who's doing what, so yes, let's move on
19:36:56 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing updates - Any difficulties, problems, issues?
19:37:17 <lewyssmith> Ashamed to say I have had no time to even look...
19:37:19 <DavidWHodgins> Still trying to get the sysadmins to push the updates that have already been validated
19:37:28 <DavidWHodgins> Seems they are all on vacation
19:37:40 <DavidWHodgins> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates
19:37:42 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
19:38:45 <DavidWHodgins> Skimming through the list of what needs to be tested, I don't see anything really hard. Just a matter of getting around to actually testing them
19:39:12 <wilcal> I see an update to Vbox in there so I know what I'm do'n this weekend
19:39:20 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:40:01 <wilcal> BTW many will disagree with me that Vbox & real i586 platforms don't get along here
19:40:14 <wilcal> not enough HP
19:40:19 <DavidWHodgins> bug 44
19:40:20 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44 critical, High, erwanaliasr1, NEW , slow OS under VirtualBox, due to HZ=1000 (was mkinitrd fails in VB), syslinux, mageia-gfxboot-theme, drakx-installer-images, kernel
19:40:25 <wilcal> Horse Power
19:40:53 <DavidWHodgins> vb can run on a real i586 system, if you can still find one, but is is frustratingly slow
19:41:23 <DavidWHodgins> When my i586 system died, I couldn't find one for sale here.
19:41:28 <wilcal> is that the Vbox fix here
19:42:20 <DavidWHodgins> bug 19213
19:42:21 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19213 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , VirtualBox 5.1.4, virtualbox-5.1.2-1.mga5.src.rpm
19:42:51 <DavidWHodgins> I'm pretty sure comment 3 is about an i586 guest install. Not i586 host
19:45:23 <DavidWHodgins> May have to experiment with vb guest system settings to see if there is one that causes the problems
19:45:33 <wilcal> yup
19:46:50 <DavidWHodgins> For example, the PAE/NX setting may be involved
19:47:46 <DavidWHodgins> Anyway, any other comments about outstanding updates before we move on?
19:48:19 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Luigi's roundup - Security news & expected updates
19:48:24 <DavidWHodgins> From the mailing list ...
19:48:28 <lewyssmith> Luigi12_work	roundup sent to the list
19:48:50 <wilcal> short list
19:48:56 <lewyssmith> Benmc: Hello Ben.
19:48:58 <DavidWHodgins> #info updates for slock, python-lshell, and apache-mod_fcgid
19:49:13 <Benmc> Lewis, QA. Good morning
19:49:20 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, guess the upstream developers are on vacation too. :-)
19:49:31 <DavidWHodgins> That's good for qa. :-)
19:49:53 <DavidWHodgins> That only leaves ...
19:49:56 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else?
19:50:12 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else from me
19:50:39 <wilcal> I don't have anything
19:50:49 <lewyssmith> Nor me.
19:50:58 <DavidWHodgins> countdown time then
19:51:01 <DavidWHodgins> t - 5
19:51:03 <wilcal> bye all
19:51:04 <DavidWHodgins> 4
19:51:08 <DavidWHodgins> 3
19:51:11 <DavidWHodgins> 2
19:51:15 <lewyssmith> Thanks to all for coming, & Dave for chairing. Goodbye all.
19:51:17 <DavidWHodgins> 1
19:51:21 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks everyon
19:51:25 <krisNL> bye all, thanks
19:51:27 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks everyone :-)
19:51:32 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting