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19:02:50 <lewyssmith> #chair wilcal
19:02:50 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
19:02:55 <lewyssmith> #topic Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello
19:03:00 <wilcal> off we go
19:03:02 <DavidWHodgins> Back
19:03:19 <lewyssmith> #chair DavidWHodgins
19:03:19 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins lewyssmith wilcal
19:03:47 <DavidWHodgins> Doesn't look like anyone new here
19:03:51 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Mageia 6 - Present status, regressions.
19:04:13 <wilcal> I have to control myself over M6 :-((
19:04:14 <lewyssmith> We can welcome the unusual presence of Pete, Though.
19:04:23 <DavidWHodgins> The need to blacklist the vboxvideo module is a blocker. It's affecting Mageia 5 x86_64 too
19:04:42 <lewyssmith> Evening Len. nice to see you back.
19:04:46 <wilcal> IMO there is one very serious problem that I need help understanding
19:04:59 <tarazed> Hi Lewys and all.
19:05:18 <wilcal> I'll call it the "good luck" bug
19:05:31 <azziam> Thanks, Yes, I have an unusual presence.
19:05:38 <brian> ?plasma? is the bug?
19:05:53 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:06:05 <wilcal> Is there already an official bug for the no graphical start good luck bug?
19:06:09 <azziam> More than one bug in the family I think
19:06:20 <brian> I submitted one specifically for radeon
19:06:30 <wilcal> It's everywhere
19:06:43 <DavidWHodgins> As it's vb guests too, it isn't just radeon
19:06:45 <wilcal> some people never see it lots of others see it
19:06:53 <wilcal> Universal on Vbox
19:06:54 <brian> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19199
19:07:10 <lewyssmith> I am confused about this: is it specific to: nvidia? Plasma Live? Vbox?
19:07:19 <azziam> Is anyone getting the "ggod luck" bug with nVidia at all?
19:07:24 <brian> seems to be non-descriminatory
19:07:32 <wilcal> me
19:07:38 <DavidWHodgins> My system is radeon too
19:07:48 <brian> I had nvidia briefly working and then afterwords good luck for life
19:07:55 <wilcal> if you don't allow for autologin you may not see it
19:07:58 <brian> disabling nvidia drivers did kind of get me to work.
19:08:01 <tarazed> It appeared on a CSM system with 32bit installed over 64bits.
19:08:04 <wilcal> If you do your system will not start
19:08:17 <brian> autologin disabled
19:08:33 <lewyssmith> I have Radeon, but have yet to try Plasma Live ISO.
19:08:36 <azziam> Hi tj
19:08:37 <lewyssmith> Hello TJ.
19:08:37 <wilcal> Both new CI's will not work on Vbox because of this
19:09:01 <hviaene> I've nerver had it on Xfce or Mate
19:09:03 <wilcal> Why is this happening and who is in charge to fix it?
19:09:05 <tjandrews> Hi. I'm here for now, but could be called away at any time.
19:09:06 <tarazed> Sometimes the nvidia module fails to build.
19:09:23 <azziam> Mate and Xfce are golden for me, so far
19:09:32 <lewyssmith> hviaene: Hello Herman.
19:09:34 <wilcal> who has it been assigned to so we can get the definition right?
19:09:37 <brian> must of, so I picked nvidia304 specifcally and it did a full build.  still no love
19:09:50 <tjandrews> wilcal: you're talking about the "good luck" thing?
19:09:54 <DavidWHodgins> For plasma, I think it's neoclust
19:09:56 <lewyssmith> Yes.
19:10:02 <brian> Thierry is talking to me about plasma radeon
19:10:18 <azziam> I'm not getting the good luck thing
19:10:36 <tarazed> azziam: not ever?
19:10:54 <brian> azziam - buy a lotto ticket then
19:10:57 <tjandrews> I've seen it on real hardware with Intel graphics. IRRC, vbox simulates Intel graphics, doesn't it?
19:11:09 <azziam> Not with the latest RC round in the mmachine I'm testing in
19:11:23 <Bequimao> My radeon card works with newest classical iso: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17233#c16
19:11:31 <hviaene> My 64 bit Plasma has radeon AND Intel 910, so it gives the error on the radeon, but continued and works usig the Intel
19:11:43 <hviaene> continues
19:11:51 <tjandrews> So much for that theory.
19:11:53 <azziam> BTW, my installs are in hardware from burned classical DVD-64
19:12:22 <brian> i briefly looked at the xlog. wondering if it is a title mismatch
19:12:22 <wilcal> once the error presents the system is unusable. Has anyone figured out a way to get it back working again?
19:12:50 <wilcal> This is not Radeon specific
19:13:02 <lewyssmith> Bequimao: Same here - Classic boots fine with AMD/Radeon. It did not previously.
19:13:04 <tarazed> vesa works for me if nvidia does not
19:13:04 <tjandrews> Vbox installs from the iso here; real hardware from Usb flash drive.
19:13:41 <Bequimao> it should work after a system upgrade,  tested here.
19:14:24 <hviaene> Radeon specific, I cannot test that (no nVidia) but the Intel 910 has always worked
19:14:24 <lewyssmith> From a console?
19:15:04 <wilcal> OK this morning before this meeting I installed too real nvidia hardware from boot.iso
19:15:13 <wilcal> that seems to be working ok
19:15:29 <brian> ah-ha  - so maybe next build
19:15:35 <wilcal> i bet if I enable autologin I'll get the "good luck" error
19:15:52 <lewyssmith> That would be a good clue.
19:15:52 <wilcal> on reboot
19:16:08 <azziam> wilcal, which DE?  plasma?
19:16:09 <wilcal> ok lemme do that brb
19:16:12 <tjandrews> That seems to be what happened to me.
19:16:13 <wilcal> Plasma
19:16:20 <wilcal> brb
19:16:35 <brian> messing with mate and xfce have been largely good experiences.
19:16:43 <brian> Cinnamon too
19:16:45 <tjandrews> On real hardware. Never got that far with vbox.
19:17:04 <lewyssmith> To be honest, our use of 'RC' is absurd. We are back to an alpha régime.
19:17:04 <brian> I need to do a vbox test with those then
19:17:29 <azziam> Plasma installed for me but the screen turns to mush before I can get the welcome box closed
19:17:40 <brian> I'll answer questions, but will wait for next build though
19:18:00 <brian> yeah - screen tearing on nvidia??
19:18:04 <ca-on-adam> I'm experiencing a problem where GNOME 32/64bit guests can't start the session after log-in.  I already posted to the forums.  Should I report it as a bug?
19:18:07 <azziam> yep
19:18:39 <rindolf> ca-on-adam: do you login using the display manager?
19:19:19 <ca-on-adam> rindolf: yes, and then the session dies immediately and comes back to the display manager.
19:19:44 <rindolf> ca-on-adam: ah.
19:19:53 <wilcal> yup sure enough enable autologin and it went right to the "good luck" screen
19:20:07 <lewyssmith> Is this covered in my DM/Desktop matrix recently posted?
19:20:09 <rindolf> ca-on-adam: then report it as a bug - it won't hurt much.
19:20:13 <azziam> Diferent type of screen degradation with Gnome.  After the welcome box it blanks and then kicks back to login screen
19:20:14 <wilcal> the install is now usless
19:20:19 <tjandrews> It's maddening. Some people don't seem to be having any trouble to speak of.
19:20:19 <ca-on-adam> ok
19:20:43 <wilcal> So this is a very serious problem
19:20:53 <brian> <question for dev team>  - what can we collect that would help you debug?
19:21:05 <wilcal> journalctl
19:21:08 <azziam> It seems very puzzling what auto-login is causing to happen
19:21:16 <wilcal> I'll get all that if I can
19:21:46 <wilcal> Should I start a new bug or is 19199 the one to use
19:21:56 <brian> that's for Radeon.
19:22:04 <brian> I'm thinking a separate would be wise for Nvidia
19:22:11 <brian> likely two separate paths wilcal
19:22:23 <tjandrews> Autologin didn't work because of sddm(?? is that right?) Could that be where our problem is?
19:22:29 <wilcal> IMO it's not a nvidia or Radeon problem at all
19:22:59 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: It has always been a pain. Try with a different DM.
19:23:27 <brian> :lewyssmith - but if sddm is our default ...
19:23:47 <wilcal> i tried XFCE and it did the same thing
19:23:51 <wilcal> in Vbox
19:24:00 <brian> autologin?
19:24:05 <lewyssmith> brian: I have shown that this is not a good idea.
19:24:28 <wilcal> yes, enabling auto-login here will guarantee the "good luck" error
19:24:37 <tjandrews> We have to think of our less-savvy users. Most will simply dump Mageia if they run into this.
19:24:38 <wilcal> regardless of DM
19:24:42 <brian> ok - as I'm on mg6 xfce right now
19:25:09 <brian> but always require login
19:25:12 <wilcal> Sorry I've been steam'n and beat'n my head against the wall since the new CI's came out over this
19:25:37 <wilcal> have to push away from the computer to cool down
19:25:50 <brian> wilcal:  sorry
19:26:30 <DavidWHodgins> It's frustrating, especially when there are regressions, but that's why we test them before releasing them to the general public
19:26:42 <DavidWHodgins> Bear with it everyone.
19:26:50 <tjandrews> I know the feeling. I've had pieces of farm machinery like that.
19:27:09 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:27:14 <wilcal> If we can come to a concensis here over this I'll generate a generalized bug and ride it through a better definition and get it assigned
19:27:14 <brian> ah - you've used farmall then
19:27:41 <wilcal> IMO everything else on M6 stops until this is solved
19:27:43 <lewyssmith> FWIW LXDM is the cleanest of display managers at present.
19:27:47 <DavidWHodgins> That sound good wilcal
19:28:01 <brian> wilcal:  agreed
19:28:03 <wilcal> Gnome's pretty good
19:28:31 <wilcal> Thanks all I'll generate that after the meeting. The initial summary and description will be very genralized
19:28:41 <rindolf> lewyssmith: what's the difference between LXDM and lightdm?
19:29:06 <lewyssmith> rindolf: I do not know, but see my recent posting on this subject.
19:29:16 <lewyssmith> qa-discuss.
19:29:41 <rindolf> lewyssmith: ah.
19:30:20 <lewyssmith> LightDM *was* as effective, but has reverted to less good.
19:30:26 <wilcal> When the bug is generated I'll post it to the QA mailing list. Everyone put their thoughts there
19:30:40 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks wilcal
19:30:43 <tarazed> We need another table, with all the relevant variables
19:30:46 <tarazed> We need another table, with all the relevant variables
19:30:53 <azziam> I just went in the other room where my test machine was snoozing and tried auto-login.  Working fine
19:31:05 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:31:17 <DavidWHodgins> Just what we need. More inconsistency
19:31:24 <wilcal> it works in enough places that if makes it even more frustrating
19:31:44 <brian> lol - probably related to timezone
19:32:00 <wilcal> do put that in the bug that it works fine on this or that system
19:32:10 <azziam> wilcal and I are in the same time zone
19:32:12 <tjandrews> I was thinking of trying a CI on my AMD/nvidia hardware to night, but I think I'll hold off until something happens from the bug.
19:32:13 <wilcal> coud be
19:32:25 <lewyssmith> Do specify the factors: VB, Plasma, autoLogin, nvidia +-Radeon etc.
19:33:11 <wilcal> lets move on ( please )
19:33:57 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Testing updates - Any difficulties, problems, issues?
19:34:21 <DavidWHodgins> I'm working on the phpmyadmin one right now
19:34:28 <brian> ctdb - my goodness, looks like a career
19:35:00 <Luigi12_work> just verify the patch was applied and that it upgrades cleanly and move on
19:35:15 <Luigi12_work> no need to leave these things sitting for months
19:35:22 <DavidWHodgins> Yeah. We can't spend too much time on a security update
19:35:40 <tjandrews> I have to go. I'll check on the updates tonight and see if there's anything I feel competent to test.
19:35:41 <wilcal> ya i'm have'n a problem with on
19:35:45 <wilcal> one
19:35:49 <DavidWHodgins> When we can, we do, but this one has sat there for too long.
19:36:28 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19204
19:36:29 <wilcal> update candidate: phpmyadmin
19:36:54 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: I'm working on that one right now. First thing with that is to get it working before installing the update, then test the update
19:36:55 <wilcal> for some reason the system under test can't see the new rpm in the updates testing repo
19:37:15 <wilcal> Ahhhhhhh....ok ya I'm ready when you are
19:37:48 <lewyssmith> -2 That can be a mirror problem.
19:38:06 <wilcal> didn't work yesterday, didn't work today
19:38:10 <wilcal> no joy
19:38:16 <DavidWHodgins> 15.8-1 is on kernel.org
19:38:17 <lewyssmith> Or that you do not have the pkg already insalled.
19:38:28 <wilcal> kernel.org is the mirror
19:38:39 <wilcal> I'll try again tomorrow
19:39:16 <lewyssmith> I still need to revive my Apache to test various updates.
19:40:26 <lewyssmith> Is there any way I can UNinstall it & keep the dependancies.
19:40:31 <lewyssmith> ?
19:40:58 <lewyssmith> To re-install just Apache.
19:41:15 <DavidWHodgins> For testing, this, I use a vb guest, create a snapshot, then install task-lamp
19:41:37 <DavidWHodgins> revert the snapshot when finished testing
19:42:00 <lewyssmith> No VB. I thought there was --nodeps for urpme, but there is not...
19:42:12 <DavidWHodgins> That's only in rpm
19:42:22 <DavidWHodgins> rpm -e --nodeps packagename
19:42:53 <lewyssmith> Subtle! That will help a lot. Thanks.
19:43:08 <DavidWHodgins> You're welcome
19:43:30 <DavidWHodgins> Any questions about the updates waiting for testing or shall we move on?
19:43:52 <wilcal> i'm good
19:43:55 <lewyssmith> Move on.
19:43:57 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Luigi's roundup - Security news & expected updates
19:45:41 <Luigi12_work> ok
19:45:53 <Luigi12_work> doesn't look like I've filed any bugs this past week that I haven't already pushed to QA
19:45:55 <wilcal> hello luigi
19:46:11 <DavidWHodgins> Yeah. Nothing new then. :-)
19:46:19 <wilcal> that's a good thing
19:46:22 <Luigi12_work> there might be some security fixes in kernel 4.4.18
19:46:32 <Luigi12_work> I'm not sure where tmb got the list of CVEs fixed in each kernel version
19:46:33 <brian> kernel 4.7.1 coming at us quick?
19:46:41 <Luigi12_work> we have no kernel maintainer
19:47:01 <Luigi12_work> as for 4.7.1, maybe pterjan or rindolf could do it
19:47:02 <wilcal> that's a bad thing
19:47:27 <Luigi12_work> 4.4.18 I might be able to handle (I'd have to try first to see) but not without knowing where tmb got his fixes info from for an advisory
19:47:54 <DavidWHodgins> You're overloaded already too
19:48:04 <Luigi12_work> the apng patch for libpng 1.6.24 is finally available, so I just freeze push requested that for Cauldron.  Will backport it to mga5 at some point.
19:48:10 <Luigi12_work> yeah no kidding
19:48:17 <wilcal> I'm pretty confident we can test a kernel update throughly
19:48:22 <Luigi12_work> and very soon will have no internet at work and we be able to do almost nothing
19:48:36 <DavidWHodgins> Ouch
19:48:39 <wilcal> on non Vbox systems
19:48:48 <Luigi12_work> I'm sure we can test a kernel update, it's a matter of building it and making an advisory
19:49:13 <DavidWHodgins> Testing isn't generally the problem. It's building the update, and debugging when problems are found
19:49:24 <wilcal> it's the integration of the Kernel + Vbox that can be tricky i think
19:49:33 <Luigi12_work> nah that's easy
19:49:43 <Luigi12_work> just setting the right version numbers in the specs of the two kmod packages and pushing them
19:49:53 <wilcal> i'm pretty sure I can throughly test it though
19:49:55 <Luigi12_work> already had to do that for the virtualbox update, easy peasy
19:50:27 <DavidWHodgins> Good, though there is a problem in Mageia 5 x86_64 with the vboxvideo module not loading properly in the guest
19:50:49 <DavidWHodgins> Only seems to affect some people though. Not sure why
19:50:51 <Luigi12_work> doesn't affect i586?
19:51:04 <DavidWHodgins> Not on my system. On mine, only x86_64
19:51:14 <wilcal> My Vbox here is just fine
19:51:17 <Luigi12_work> x86_64 for which, the guest or the host?
19:51:23 <DavidWHodgins> guest
19:51:25 * rindolf has problems with vbox on i586 guests.
19:51:27 <DavidWHodgins> host is x86_64
19:51:30 <Luigi12_work> ahh, I have no x86_64 guests
19:51:37 <rindolf> i586 mageia guests
19:51:46 <Luigi12_work> I switched my host workstation at home to x86_64 last weekend, guests will stay i586
19:52:18 <DavidWHodgins> rindolf: Mageia 5 or 6? I'm referring to Mageia 5
19:52:35 <Luigi12_work> you may need the nomodeset option still
19:53:11 <wilcal> i do have to use the nomodeset on my M5 Vbox clients
19:53:15 <DavidWHodgins> bug 18917c#17
19:53:21 <lewyssmith> Benmc: Hello Ben.
19:53:23 <DavidWHodgins> bug 18917 c#17
19:53:34 <DavidWHodgins> Argh. mbot is down
19:53:39 <Benmc> QA, Good morning all
19:53:54 <Luigi12_work> I don't think mbot does #c links anyway
19:54:05 <philippem> python and python3 are easy to test, I provided a test case
19:54:15 <DavidWHodgins> For me, blacklisting vboxvideo on my x86_64 guest works, but blocks copy/paste between guest/host
19:54:16 <rindolf> DavidWHodgins: mageia 5 ones , yes.
19:54:20 <Luigi12_work> yeah, we can validate the ones with the OKs too
19:54:43 <DavidWHodgins> Yeah. I'll get the advisories loaded after this meeting, then validate them
19:55:04 <Luigi12_work> dunno who's gonna push our pending updates though :o(
19:55:29 <lewyssmith> philippem: I saw that; that was *very* helpful. Many thanks.
19:55:52 <DavidWHodgins> I'll post a msg on the sysadmin list after I get the advisories loaded
19:57:06 <DavidWHodgins> #info kernel updates need to be built
19:57:32 <DavidWHodgins> #info libpng update soon
19:57:48 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks Luigi12_work
19:58:08 <DavidWHodgins> #topic * Anything else?
19:58:16 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else from me
19:58:23 <lewyssmith> Luigi12_work: Repeat thanks.
19:58:34 <wilcal> nothing here thanks all for the "good luck" support
19:58:53 <brian> nada from me.  Thanks everyone
19:59:02 <lewyssmith> Have other people been inundated with bugs mailList meassegs?
19:59:11 <wilcal> me for sure
19:59:28 <wilcal> i'd like to see that minimized
19:59:51 <DavidWHodgins> Someone subscribed a bunch of the group lists to the various mailing lists, including bugs
19:59:52 <lewyssmith> Marja has been digging for me, and poked sysadmins to stop it. She explained why it happened.
20:00:05 <DavidWHodgins> That's been discussed on the sysadmin ml
20:00:35 <DavidWHodgins> Don't know if they've tracked down and blocked the person who did it
20:01:03 <lewyssmith> Something is being done, at any rate.
20:01:08 <wilcal> thks
20:01:32 <DavidWHodgins> I'm still using opera 12.16 for my mail. As I'm already subscribed to all of the lists involved, it did not impact me. Opera auto filters duplicate messages
20:02:07 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like countdown time
20:02:13 <DavidWHodgins> T - 5
20:02:15 <tarazed> Not noticed any increase
20:02:17 <wilcal> bye all
20:02:19 <DavidWHodgins> 4
20:02:22 <DavidWHodgins> 3
20:02:26 <DavidWHodgins> 2
20:02:26 <tarazed> Bye everybuddy
20:02:26 <azziam> bye
20:02:28 <ca-on-adam> bye and thanks for being awesome
20:02:30 <DavidWHodgins> 1
20:02:33 <lewyssmith> Thanks for chairing, Dave.
20:02:36 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks everyone
20:02:40 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting