19:04:14 <wilcal> #startmeeting
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19:04:18 <lewyssmith> #topic Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello.
19:04:28 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
19:04:28 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
19:04:35 <wilcal> your in charge
19:05:07 <lewyssmith> #topic Who's new? - If you are then come and say hello.
19:05:25 <ennael> hi
19:05:25 <lewyssmith> [I see I jumped the gun]
19:05:38 <lewyssmith> Bonsoir Anne.
19:05:40 <wilcal> hello anne
19:06:11 <wilcal> no one new push on to M6
19:06:11 <lewyssmith> Nobody new? Does not look like it.
19:06:18 <lewyssmith> #topic Mageia 6 - How's it looking?
19:06:46 <wilcal> I've got four good M6 Vbox clients and one on hardware. All running and updating just fine
19:07:14 <wilcal> Plasma has settled down considerably and is mostly usable
19:07:52 <lewyssmith> Ashamed to say I cannot contribute much. Too much to do with prolongued fine weather at last.
19:07:56 <wilcal> still lots of release blockers but at least I can work on it
19:08:13 <lewyssmith> There have been e-mails about this.
19:08:24 <wilcal> ya this is the depth of the holiday season
19:08:49 <lewyssmith> But people do not disappear for months.
19:09:11 <wilcal> Europeans do :-))
19:09:38 <wilcal> there's about a 6-week window that not a lot gets done
19:10:08 <wilcal> we're in the middle of that 6-week window
19:10:09 <lewyssmith> No-one gets that much holiday (except teachers).
19:10:58 <wilcal> Paris is nothing but tourists I could never get any business done
19:11:16 <wilcal> Holland moves to Portugal
19:12:07 <wilcal> anyway i think there's a serious problem with M6 and nvidia hardare
19:12:16 <wilcal> any update on that tmb?
19:12:43 <tmb> what serious problem ?
19:12:59 <wilcal> the graphical interface does not start and you get the "good luck" error
19:13:23 <lewyssmith> On *some* nvidia H/W.
19:13:23 <wilcal> I can't get the CI to install on real nvidia hardware
19:14:02 <tmb> ah, I guess you are hitting the sddm segfaults bugs... gdm is stable
19:14:02 <wilcal> I think the Live-DVD installed and that's what I am using
19:14:13 <lewyssmith> Others have aired Nvidia grievances on the mailList.
19:14:54 <wilcal> hello brian
19:15:06 <brian> wilcal, everyone hi
19:15:27 <brian> mga6
19:15:29 <brian> ?
19:15:47 <wilcal> anyway it's nice to see Plasma settle down to a usable interface
19:15:47 <lewyssmith> tmb: sddm has caused loads of grief. Why are we offering it as standard, when there are other DMs?
19:16:50 <brian> I can't get Live Plasma to even fully load on old nvidia
19:17:15 <tmb> lewyssmith, ask KDE / Plasma guys... it's their decision
19:17:34 <tmb> *their/upstream*
19:17:47 <wilcal> I'm able to dig a little deeper in M6 anc came up with this:
19:17:48 <lewyssmith> tmb: Do you *have* to use sddm with Plasma?
19:17:48 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18992
19:17:50 <[mbot> Bug 18992: normal, Normal, pkg-bugs, NEW , M6 does not connect to my USB HP Envy 4502 printer/scanner, hplip
19:18:44 <tmb> well, technically you can use gdm too but kde users dont like gnome bloat.... I haven checked if xdm would be up for the job...
19:19:17 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Bill, does it work with MCC?
19:19:29 <wilcal> partially
19:19:57 <ennael> tmb: I guess xdm will be a bit too "short" in term of functionnalities and design
19:19:58 <wilcal> printer installs and prints but HP Printer Manager does not see the printer
19:20:17 <lewyssmith> tmb: There are still other simple DMs.
19:20:40 <wilcal> xsane scanner does not see the printer at all
19:21:10 <lewyssmith> I will try other DMs with my M6 Classic all-desktops installation.
19:21:29 <tmb> lewyssmith, yeah, but someone still need to do the work and test / fix the stuff..
19:21:42 <wilcal> i still poke away at it every day just about
19:22:14 <brian> lewsymith  - yes xfce, mate work pretty well.  gnome works, I haven't tried cinamon
19:22:26 <wilcal> Gnome is pretty solid
19:23:29 <brian> somebody will probably hit me for saying this -- nah I'm too far away.  Is a LiveDVD with a light DM possible?
19:23:50 <brian> I think board would have to vote, so maybe a future MGA version
19:23:56 <wilcal> question is should M6 be released as an RC for wider testing?
19:24:16 <lewyssmith> We are agreed - not yet.
19:24:34 <wilcal> so we're still holding on that
19:24:44 <brian> new isos
19:24:46 <brian> ?
19:24:53 <tmb> No, not yet... it's not "Release Candidate" quality, we still need the new theme, then install screen DM selector is broken, we still need sddm autologin fixes, and the pam stuff  currently landing in testing
19:26:07 <wilcal> k
19:27:06 <wilcal> maybe by this time next week?
19:27:23 <lewyssmith> tmb: Why "install screen DM selector is broken" ? How did that happen?
19:28:25 <tmb> it's "broken" in the sense that it's not properly selecting subcategories so stuff like firefox does not get pulled in on default install
19:29:12 <lewyssmith> Ah. So the actual DM selection mechanism itself is not broken. Good.
19:29:26 <tmb> it's a subtle breakage somewhere... it could also ge a gtk bug at some point as we have not really changed anything in the DE selector
19:30:10 <lewyssmith> Shall we move on?
19:30:22 <brian> <<gotta drop>>
19:30:22 <wilcal> yes please
19:30:25 <tmb> it works if you first select custom, and then select the DE on the next screen... so I think tv should be able to fix it up somewhat easily
19:30:40 <lewyssmith> #topic Testing updates - Any difficulties, problems, issues?
19:30:42 <tony_> Sorry I'm so late.  Mid-winter, 5.30am
19:31:18 <lewyssmith> Too early to be up.
19:31:35 <wilcal> tmb did you see my nvidia comment in:
19:31:36 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19055
19:31:38 <[mbot> Bug 19055: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Update request: kernel-4.4.16-1.mga5, kernel
19:32:05 <wilcal> everything went well but the install fell back to nouveau
19:32:23 <wilcal> i tried to correct it but could not
19:33:26 <tony_> bug 15791
19:33:27 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15791 major, High, pterjan, REOPENED , RAID 0 can't add 5th partition
19:34:53 <tony_> I put in report.bug a week or so back; gone quiet there.  Will this fall of the back of the truck in the same way it did for M5?
19:34:55 <tmb> wilcal, there is no "nvidia driver to update", you forgot to install kernel-desktop-devel-latest so dkms was unable to rebuild the nvidia driver -> fallback to nouveau
19:35:21 <wilcal> ok i'll give that a try
19:35:50 <lewyssmith> tony_: We should not let that happen. The problem seems precise enough.
19:36:37 <tony_> Replicating it is easy I think
19:36:55 <lewyssmith> Can you get round it by adding the 5th partition with e.g. gparted, then install adding a 6th?
19:37:19 <lewyssmith> Hello Ben.
19:37:46 <Benmc> lweis, QA, good morning
19:37:58 <Benmc> sorry- Lewis
19:38:13 <tony_> Yes: rebooting M6 into rescue mode and setting it all up with gdisk seems to work, but very tedious with multiple re-boots.  Given the tools are there, it would be nice if install could cope.
19:38:34 <lewyssmith> tony_: OK. Or partitioning in advance with e.g. gparted, then install to 'existing partitions'?
19:38:56 <tony_> Install to existing partitions works now
19:38:57 <tmb> tony_, it's just a "simple matter" of few people overloaded with long TODO lists... I have hw here so I can reproduce, but I still need time to actually do it, same goes for tv
19:39:31 <wilcal> ya lots of issues and not enough fingers on keyboards :-))
19:39:40 <lewyssmith> If you can get around the fault, that helps a lot.
19:39:59 <wilcal> at least the bug list is under control
19:40:03 <wilcal> for now
19:40:08 <lewyssmith> Oh?
19:40:09 <tony_> I acknowledge the time isssue - very much so.  I bear responsibility for this coming late to this issue this time around.  I was under the impression I might have to take the computer back to ASUS to re-image the disks if it failed - not so in fact
19:40:52 <lewyssmith> The issue was thus very serious to you; understood.
19:41:54 <lewyssmith> The updates list is long & not easy; tough for us. But let us move on - if David is still with us.
19:42:18 <lewyssmith> OK to?
19:42:32 <wilcal> lets move on
19:42:38 <lewyssmith> #Topic Luigi's roundup - Security news & expected updates
19:43:19 <lewyssmith> ping Luigi12
19:43:26 <lewyssmith> ping Luigi12_lappy
19:43:33 <lewyssmith> ping Luigi12_work
19:44:13 <wilcal> crickets
19:44:32 <lewyssmith> Like cigales?
19:45:14 <wilcal> i don't think he's gonna join us
19:45:36 <wilcal> on to anything else i think as list is under control
19:45:46 <lewyssmith> #Topic anything else?
19:45:55 <wilcal> i have nothing here
19:46:12 <wilcal> i should get back to that kernel test later today tmb
19:46:33 <lewyssmith> Not here. Except again to excuse my temporary lack of input.
19:47:00 <wilcal> summer time summer time sum sum summer time :-)) an old Beach Boys song
19:47:05 <tony_> tmb: Thanks for hearing me.  I understand the time pressures
19:47:31 <wilcal> nothing else from me
19:47:34 <lewyssmith> tmb: Thanks for coming, Thomas.
19:47:46 <wilcal> close it out lewys
19:48:05 <lewyssmith> And to others who did. And to Bill for chairing (yet again).
19:48:13 <wilcal> no prob
19:48:14 <lewyssmith> wilcal: How?
19:48:25 <wilcal> :-))
19:48:40 <wilcal> count it down lewys
19:48:46 <lewyssmith> -5
19:48:50 <lewyssmith> -4
19:48:54 <lewyssmith> -3
19:48:56 <lewyssmith> -2
19:48:59 <lewyssmith> -1
19:49:03 <lewyssmith> 0
19:49:25 <lewyssmith> Then?
19:49:38 <wilcal> #endmeeting