19:05:27 <wilcal> #startmeeting 19:05:27 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Jun 30 19:05:27 2016 UTC. The chair is wilcal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:05:27 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:05:38 <wilcal> hello all 19:05:51 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith 19:05:51 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal 19:06:00 <tmb> tarazed, well, its summer so no socks needed :) 19:06:02 <lewyssmith> Shall I be Dave? 19:06:15 <wilcal> what does summer mean in Finland? 19:06:31 <MrsB> Hey guys, morning 19:06:39 <tmb> wilcal, no snow :) 19:06:52 <lewyssmith> #topic Who's new? If you are then come and say hi 19:07:04 <lewyssmith> Eveing claire. 19:07:13 <rindolf> MrsB: morning. 19:07:41 <wilcal> lol 19:07:53 <rindolf> morning, all. 19:07:55 <wilcal> kinda like Boston was like for me in June 19:08:18 <wilcal> #chair MrsB 19:08:18 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: MrsB lewyssmith wilcal 19:08:33 <wilcal> anyone new??? 19:08:41 <MrsB> Me :) 19:08:53 <lewyssmith> No one new, so on we go. OK? 19:08:53 <MrsB> been a bit useless lately, sorry 19:09:05 <wilcal> #topic Mageia 6 19:09:15 <wilcal> all about the latest iso's 19:09:24 <lewyssmith> It is at last looking better. 19:09:42 <tarazed> Fairly. 19:09:58 <wilcal> it is for me in Vbox 19:10:10 <MrsB> You're happy with these ones now tmb? 19:10:17 <wilcal> i updated all my Vbox clients this morning and all went well 19:10:27 <wilcal> I don't know what's going on here: 19:10:29 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18828 19:10:30 <[mbot> Bug 18828: normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , M6 install w/Live-DVD Plasma x86_64 hangs on reboot 19:10:51 <tmb> MrsB, yeah, I think they are good enough for a -sta1.... 19:10:55 <tarazed> I cannot get to install on Lives. 19:11:11 <wilcal> i don't know if it's me or something else. anyway the journalctl is there 19:11:33 <tarazed> bug 18829 19:11:34 <MrsB> what happens Len? 19:11:35 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18829 major, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , 6sta1 installation from Live Plasma5 iso freezes at stage 2 19:11:52 <wilcal> we really should move this to the next step so more people can participate 19:11:59 <tarazed> It hangs forever right after the initial dialogue. 19:12:37 <wilcal> looks a lot like mine too 19:12:37 <MrsB> Thats installing directly from the menu is it Len, or booting to the desktop first? 19:12:45 <papoteur> Hello. 19:12:51 <MrsB> hi papoteur 19:12:55 <lewyssmith> Bonsoir Yves. 19:13:11 <tarazed> Yes from the menu. Shall try from Live system sometime later 19:13:16 <papoteur> I just tried Plasma5 in UEFI 19:13:25 <papoteur> Bonsoir Lewis 19:13:37 <papoteur> I didn't get the taskbar 19:13:51 <wilcal> I'm get'n good a get'n the journalctl outta there :-)) 19:13:52 <tmb> tarazed, well, that bug is known... installing from menu is broken as I pointed out im my mail to qa-discuss 19:13:55 <MrsB> Yes pls, it's known that it won't install directly from the menu 19:14:08 <lewyssmith> tarazed: I thought tmb noted that the Lives do *not* install directly from the menu. 19:14:08 <tarazed> nvidia is still persona non grata on UEFI and CSM 19:14:11 <wilcal> from the menu won't work 19:14:21 <wilcal> only from the desktop 19:14:33 <tarazed> Ah, thanks for pointing that out Lewis. 19:14:53 <wilcal> we need some installs on real hardware 19:15:07 <tmb> we can stick that info on errata for sta1 19:15:25 <MrsB> yeah, we need to release them onto the world 19:15:25 <lewyssmith> papoteur: No taskbar is another known Plasma problem. 19:15:36 <lewyssmith> Hello TJ. 19:15:41 <brian__> sorry I'm late 19:15:47 <wilcal> hi brian 19:15:50 <tjandrews> Hello. 19:15:52 <MrsB> hi brian__ tj 19:16:02 <wilcal> the gangs all here cept for David 19:16:22 <MrsB> Need to drop him a line and check he's ok 19:16:22 <papoteur> Which kind of installation try is more valuable? 19:16:31 <tmb> papoteur, I hope the coming plasma updates will fix some of those issues, but neoclust is still working on that... 19:16:35 <wilcal> on real hardware 19:16:36 <tjandrews> Doing some hand weeding today. Seemed like a good time for a lemonade break. 19:17:08 <papoteur> wilcal: yes, but which DE, which arch? 19:17:29 <wilcal> I think Gnome is a little more mature at this point then PLasma 19:17:44 <wilcal> so if you want excitement go for the Plasma install 19:17:57 <papoteur> wilcal: :) Ok 19:18:09 <MrsB> How are the classic isos now? Will there be more of those too? 19:18:10 <brian__> tried that on old hardware today Wilcal - no luck 19:18:10 <tmb> yeah, gnome seems to behave real nice this time around :) 19:18:16 <lewyssmith> The Classic is more stable, but offers loads of possibilities. 19:18:29 <wilcal> Plasma installs and boots to ok but there are lots of wrinkles in the way it works 19:18:37 <wilcal> some are features some are bugs 19:18:45 <brian__> well on old nvidia, ever got it to work 19:18:53 <brian__> ever = never 19:19:09 <wilcal> this one drives me crazy 19:19:10 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18207 19:19:12 <[mbot> Bug 18207: normal, Normal, mageia, REOPENED , Opening a .txt document shifts the desktop left and off the table 19:19:13 <tmb> brian__, why? 19:19:39 <wilcal> open a text file and the whole desktop shifts left and off the table never to return 19:19:48 <tmb> brian__, meaning... what problems ? 19:20:10 <brian__> on plasma-i586 it just seemed to shift back between maybe coming up and the mageia opening screen 19:20:20 <brian__> left it run for 45 minutes and finally went meh 19:20:35 <brian__> (live) 19:21:02 <brian__> then tried installing from classic i586 plasma - just end at grub2 command prompt 19:21:04 <tmb> brian__, did you try theese last isos ? 19:21:11 <brian__> 6/29 - yes 19:21:18 <brian__> synched - checked md5 19:21:19 <tarazed> brian__ Have you tried the nomodeset and no vga trick? 19:21:30 <brian__> nope - should I? 19:21:44 <brian__> classic is dated 6/20 19:21:54 <lewyssmith> Correct. 19:22:22 <tarazed> On nvidia hardware it gets you to the nouveau driver. A desktop at least. 19:22:27 <brian__> tmb are you trying to compile the nvidia on the fly? 19:22:35 <wilcal> nomodeset the magic elixir 19:22:54 <brian__> lol - so don't be modest nomodeset 19:22:54 <tmb> brian__, then repeat the classical install, file a bug about it and attatch the /root/drax/report.bug.gz 19:23:16 <brian__> ok - copying and pasting advice 19:23:40 <tmb> brian__, nope, only free gpu drivers on live medias now... 19:23:50 <brian__> ok 19:24:14 <brian__> anybody else experiencing an exceptionally long start from dvd on live? 19:24:27 <wilcal> most of my testing is in Vbox 19:24:42 <wilcal> that's really really fast for me on my i7 platform 19:24:46 <lewyssmith> brian__: tmb has spoken about that, too. 19:24:47 <MrsB> i have an nvidia340 system, will try it tmrw (with any luck) 19:24:53 <tmb> brian__, how long is "exceptionally long" ? 19:25:00 <brian__> 45 minutes 19:25:07 <wilcal> ooo that's tooo long 19:25:14 <brian__> yes replaced the DVD drive thinking the old was bad 19:25:32 <brian__> that's why I wondered about the compile 19:25:34 <papoteur> Plasma install is stalling after keyboard screen :( 19:25:45 <tmb> brian__, thats not a long start... that's a hang 19:25:56 <tmb> and a bug ... 19:26:01 <papoteur> I get a blank screen with a black square in the middle. 19:26:34 <tarazed> papoteur: that could be installing from the menu 19:26:46 <wilcal> I share that IMO with M6 working as a Vbox client that should allow us to move sta along 19:27:07 <papoteur> I started from grub. Is it the menu? 19:27:14 <wilcal> it needs to see hardware 19:27:17 <MrsB> boot to desktop first and install from there. 19:27:39 <MrsB> installing from the iso menu is broken atm 19:27:46 <brian__> :tmb - I thought you were trying to kill my dvd drive .... ;-) 19:27:53 <papoteur> MrsB: OK. 19:27:56 <lewyssmith> That must be emphasised if we push this out now. 19:28:26 <tmb> brian__, nah, we did that in mdv days killing LG DVD drives... so been there .... done that :) 19:29:14 <brian__> :-) 19:29:55 <MrsB> So classic isos.. are they ready to go too? 19:30:11 <wilcal> I haven't seen the CI's for a week or so 19:30:26 <lewyssmith> MrsB: There are glitches, but they are basically good. 19:30:32 <brian__> still 6/20 version. But running from an XFCE install on this chat. :-) 19:30:37 <MrsB> well most of the fixes have been for lives so existing classics may be ok 19:30:40 <wilcal> i should do a boot.iso install too this weekend 19:31:05 <lewyssmith> My only complaint is that Gnome classic desktop does not work. 19:31:23 <tmb> yeah I think ennael is not planning any new isos unless there is a critical issue... 19:31:31 <MrsB> as in gnome-classic not gnome from the classic iso? 19:31:54 <lewyssmith> Classic ISO, Gnome-Classic desktop. 19:32:02 <MrsB> ok 19:32:20 <lewyssmith> Trivial in the circumstances. 19:32:29 <MrsB> is it still supported. Wasn't it being phased out? 19:32:42 <tmb> so ... go / no-go ? 19:32:56 <wilcal> i'm leaning towards go 19:32:58 <lewyssmith> Go in my opinion. 19:33:05 <tarazed> So am i 19:33:18 <wilcal> gotta see lots of new hardware 19:33:37 <MrsB> i'll defer as I've not had a chance to test them but lean towards Go from what I've heard 19:33:44 <lewyssmith> The 'install from desktop' is *essential* news for the Lives. 19:33:46 <brian__> they work 19:33:58 <brian__> classic iso's I've touched 19:34:05 <wilcal> they boot to a working desktop for sure 19:34:11 <brian__> plasma splatted for me though 19:34:17 <tmb> yeah, we have to remember this is -sta1 so bugs are still expected... 19:34:27 <wilcal> sometimes big ones 19:34:49 <MrsB> we've done it back to front again. broken in later stages. We need to try and get these breakages out of the way in dev/alpha stages 19:35:19 <lewyssmith> We need to do planned changes *before* starting testing. 19:35:23 <tjandrews> I haven't tested any of them lately. Chased too many hot air balloons last weekend. 19:35:38 <tmb> yeah, but otoh it has given plasma time to stabilize a bit :) 19:35:44 <brian__> :tj - awesome 19:35:51 <MrsB> OpenQA would improve this mind you .. 19:35:56 <wilcal> better then it was and it was pretty bad 19:36:36 <tarazed> Is ther much of a learning curve with openqa 19:36:43 <lewyssmith> It was sddm & grub2 that held things up. 19:37:20 <MrsB> Likely so yes, but it would completely change the way we work 19:37:26 <lewyssmith> tarazed: Ask Vald - he had a long hard struggle to master it. 19:37:43 <tarazed> And he is clever 19:37:55 <lewyssmith> I was going to add that! 19:38:02 <papoteur> I can't launch the desktop. Without option, I get a crash (nouveau I presume) 19:38:07 <tmb> yeah, If all goes as planned maat should get the new harddisks next week unless french postal service screws up again 19:38:07 <tjandrews> Sounds like most of us could use some hand-holding docs. 19:38:35 <lewyssmith> Say what, please. 19:38:41 <papoteur> Suppressing the vga option, the system stall with second bubble. 19:38:59 <MrsB> #info New HDD's should get to maat next week for the server. One step closer to OpenQA! 19:39:10 <tarazed> Did you set nomodeset? 19:40:04 <papoteur> tarazed: not this time, but the previous one was the same result. The card is nvidia, needing nvidi304 19:40:10 <tarazed> There is a long period for reflection in the middle of the boot 19:40:35 <papoteur> tarazed: how long ? 19:40:42 <tarazed> Same on my older laptop 19:40:48 <MrsB> morning zvonimir 19:40:53 <lewyssmith> zvonimir: Welcome. 19:41:00 <tarazed> A couple or three minutes maybe. 19:41:34 <papoteur> tarazed: I will try again. 19:41:57 <zvonimir> hi MrsB 19:42:01 <zvonimir> hi lewyssmith :) 19:42:09 <MrsB> howdy, are you joining us? 19:42:27 <zvonimir> did I just drop into the meeting? 19:42:33 <MrsB> yes, good timing 19:42:53 <MrsB> Welcome to QA 19:42:55 <zvonimir> call me lucky :D 19:43:11 <MrsB> I'll call you whatever you like if you're joining us ;) 19:43:37 <wilcal> are we done with M6? 19:43:44 <zvonimir> MrsB: lewyssmith already sent me some links and I'm reading through them 19:43:56 <MrsB> Great, well done lewis 19:43:56 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Hope so... 19:44:09 <wilcal> lets move on sta1 is released 19:44:09 <zvonimir> MrsB: I've got just a couple of hours a week for this, but I'll get there :) 19:44:19 <MrsB> Did we decide to release it or further testing needed? 19:44:35 <wilcal> i think the concensis is to let it release 19:44:45 <lewyssmith> MrsB: I am mentoring zvonimir. 19:45:03 <MrsB> That's great lewis, thanks. I've tried to get him to join us for years :D 19:45:22 <MrsB> zvonimir: lewis is our top mentor, good teacher 19:45:56 <lewyssmith> Let' move on. 19:46:00 <Benmc> QA- Good morning 19:46:11 <lewyssmith> Hello Ben. 19:46:15 <zvonimir> MrsB: I kinda a moved to a new continent in the mean time, lot has happened :) 19:46:21 <MrsB> Morning Benmc. Go or No Go for release? 19:46:24 <wilcal> sta1 release or not? Hands up 19:46:31 <wilcal> i say release 19:46:39 <lewyssmith> Agree. 19:46:41 <tarazed> Aye 19:46:49 <Benmc> go- with notes to 19:46:49 <zvonimir> +1 if it's stable :) 19:46:54 <wilcal> let it get beat up 19:47:15 <wilcal> it boots to a working desktop from the live media 19:47:19 <tjandrews> Abstaining this time - no experience with it. 19:47:44 <MrsB> We know there will eb bugs, it's only sta1, but as long as it's installable and can boot it gives people something to test and us something to build upon 19:48:03 <wilcal> for sure installable as a Vbox client 19:48:05 <tmb> ok so we need to get a blog post prepared and web pages updated... I'll start preparing iso release 19:48:06 <lewyssmith> Sort of Alpha1... 19:48:16 <MrsB> mmm 19:48:41 <MrsB> Thanks everybody and apologies for being largely absent through all this 19:48:47 <wilcal> no prob 19:49:04 <wilcal> shall we move on? 19:49:04 <tarazed> Dinnae fash yersel lassie 19:49:11 <lewyssmith> Bugs please, Bill. 19:49:14 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates 19:49:46 <MrsB> Sooo 19:49:51 <lewyssmith> I could do several on the long list, but have almost no time at present. 19:49:56 <MrsB> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates 19:49:58 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ] 19:49:59 <tjandrews> Wondering about Virtualbox. Why does it "just work" for me when someone like Luigi has trouble? 19:50:33 <MrsB> could be just different hardware 19:50:46 <tarazed> Having a look at bug 18818 19:50:47 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18818 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , xerces-c new security issue CVE-2016-4464, xerces-c-3.1.2-1.2.mga5.src.rpm 19:50:50 <lewyssmith> I will try Gimp, Drupal, PHP updates. 19:51:01 <MrsB> nice one lewis 19:51:26 <MrsB> Len write up a procedure on the bug if you can do please 19:51:35 <lewyssmith> We can all try LibreOffice. 19:51:54 <wilcal> imo vbox is very host sensitive 19:52:08 <wilcal> especially if it is an nvidia host 19:52:24 <tarazed> Might also try libafs - long rebuild on reboots. 19:52:32 <tjandrews> I have to get back to work or my brother will fire me. Will read the logs... 19:52:41 <wilcal> later tj 19:52:43 <MrsB> thanks for coming tj 19:52:52 <MrsB> #info We#ll continue to validate with one OK 19:52:55 <MrsB> ' 19:53:05 <MrsB> #undo 19:53:05 <Inigo_Montoya> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0xb686882c> 19:53:05 <tjandrews> Bye, all. 19:53:12 <MrsB> #info We'll continue to validate with one OK 19:53:25 <wilcal> i need an update on: 19:53:27 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18724 19:53:28 <[mbot> Bug 18724: normal, Normal, tmb, NEW , After today's update M5 x86_64 KDE Vbox client would not boot, virtualbox 19:53:38 <wilcal> imo that's a bad one 19:53:51 <wilcal> I'm surprised we haven't gotten into trouble with it 19:53:58 <lewyssmith> bug 18540 can be OK'd, Philippe kindly did it. None of us could. 19:53:59 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18540 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , [PATCH] gitpython fails on gpg signed commits, python-gitpython-0.3.1-9.mga5.src.rpm 19:54:04 <wilcal> the nomodeset thing gets around it but 19:54:28 <MrsB> yeah let's hussle them through 19:54:52 <MrsB> It seems like an upstream issue wilcal, not sure we can do much about it 19:55:10 <MrsB> lots of linux fixes in vbox changelog though 19:55:14 <wilcal> for sure M6 is fine but M5 is really bad 19:55:20 <lewyssmith> VBox is not on the current updates list - for once, & thank goodness. 19:55:29 <MrsB> yeah :) 19:55:50 <wilcal> there's new version in the pipe but being held up because of this bug 19:56:10 <wilcal> maybe tmb will recommend we go to the new version anyway 19:56:13 <MrsB> let's wait until there is something ready to test then wilcal 19:56:37 <MrsB> libgd can be tested with drupal lewis 19:56:45 <wilcal> ok i don't mind using the nomodeset thingy 19:57:06 <lewyssmith> I think we have a libgd procedure now. 19:57:27 <Luigi12_work> should check PoCs for libgd if there are any too 19:57:39 <Luigi12_work> (check the PHP bugs linked from the PHP changelog) 19:57:40 <MrsB> it's used in image processing by most webapps 19:57:41 <lewyssmith> Of course. Hello David. 19:57:55 <MrsB> morning Luigi12_work 19:58:03 <Luigi12_work> I will test libgd with my normal PHP tests too 19:58:10 <MrsB> Shall we do the roundup? 19:58:12 <Luigi12_work> morning. It's friggin hot outside. 19:58:27 <Luigi12_work> the virtualbox issue is crazy. I can't even always reproduce it on the same hardware. 19:58:34 <lewyssmith> Give us some of the heat. 19:58:34 <MrsB> cold and misserable here today, a bit like the mood 19:58:50 <wilcal> Welcome to the UK in June 19:59:12 <wilcal> how can we test: 19:59:14 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18433 19:59:15 <[mbot> Bug 18433: major, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Missing AskPass prevents SSH cloning, tortoisehg-3.2.1-1.mga5 19:59:45 <lewyssmith> We cannot. which is why it is weeks old. 19:59:59 <MrsB> already been confirmed that it fixes the issue so just ensure it updates cleanly 20:00:11 <wilcal> we should just make sure it installs without error then updates cleanly 20:00:24 <MrsB> pretty sure we've updated that in the past though 20:00:32 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Off you go! 20:01:23 <wilcal> next 20:01:34 <wilcal> #topic Luigi's Roundup 20:01:45 <wilcal> ping: luigi 20:01:47 <MrsB> With ISOs out of the way the list should be short in no time :) 20:02:02 <Luigi12_work> ctdb has a regression caused by a kernel CVE fix, so that needs patched (rindolf) 20:02:20 <Luigi12_work> struts, apache-commons-fileupload, tomcat new security issues (yay Java crap) 20:02:39 <Luigi12_work> libgd has another issue just reported with no fix yet, so let's get the current update out if it tests OK 20:03:06 <Luigi12_work> nodejs has another security update out upstream 20:03:53 <lewyssmith> Another... 20:04:07 <Luigi12_work> that's all I have that's new 20:04:13 <MrsB> phew :) 20:04:20 <wilcal> kool no flash thingy 20:04:32 <Luigi12_work> yeah we just did that one 20:04:38 <wilcal> #topic Anything Else? 20:04:52 <brian__> none from em 20:04:56 <MrsB> Is there anything else? 20:05:07 <wilcal> Any info on Mageia ARM/Raspberry Pi. I've got a hot RP3 ready to go here 20:05:15 <tarazed> Yes, I have a cautionary tale for those tempted to stary from the Middle way. 20:05:21 <tarazed> stray 20:05:42 <tarazed> Using the tc shell for 25 years without any obvious problems, through UNIX, RedHat, 20:05:45 <tarazed> Mandrake, Mandriva to Mageia. Recently in QA tests found that kodi failed because 20:05:48 <tarazed> direct rendering was not enabled. ??? glxinfo confirms that but kodi runs fine under 20:05:50 <lewyssmith> It has been QA v Bruckner: Bruckner won on points. 20:05:51 <tarazed> root. Tried a dummy user; no problem, but that user had bash as the login shell. 20:05:54 <tarazed> Switched to bash and lo and behold kodi launched fine. I am reluctant to change the 20:05:57 <tarazed> habit of a lifetime but this serves as a warning so maybe I shall have to. 20:05:58 <MrsB> None yet wilcal although all packages are being built for it. The aim is to have an image which can be dumped onto sd card 20:06:15 <tmb> well, both arm5tl and arm7hl is now being mirrored out... what is still missing is initial install image 20:06:32 <wilcal> latest RP3 is actaully quite usable 20:07:05 <MrsB> never even heard of tc shell tarazed 20:07:12 <wilcal> osmc/kodi on RP3 is glorious 20:07:27 <lewyssmith> tarazed: Len, Sorry for my inadvertant interruption earlier. Pressed Enter by mistake. 20:07:46 <wikigazer> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tcsh 20:08:16 * MrsB pulls Len into 21st century 20:08:25 <tarazed> It was the house flavour all those years ago at ROE 20:08:52 <brian__> fun - just learned about another . thanks wikigazer 20:08:52 <tarazed> Hey, things have so changed. 20:09:11 <MrsB> i know, some changes are good though :P 20:09:24 <MrsB> others not so much :\ 20:09:26 <wikigazer> brian__: :-) 20:09:45 <MrsB> Is there anything else else? 20:10:14 <MrsB> One request.. 20:10:19 * rindolf is glad he never got used to tcsh. 20:10:27 <MrsB> Everybody send Dave an email and see if he's ok :) 20:10:39 <lewyssmith> [I already had my aside]. 20:10:43 <wilcal> will do 20:10:51 <tarazed> Sure thing 20:11:28 <MrsB> So well doen everyone on what has proved to be another long and difficult ISo release 20:11:49 <MrsB> It can only get easier from here 20:12:06 <MrsB> Thanks for coming! 20:12:09 <lewyssmith> Please don't tempt providence! 20:12:15 <MrsB> lol 20:12:17 <MrsB> T - 5 20:12:21 <MrsB> 4 20:12:22 <MrsB> 3 20:12:24 <MrsB> 2 20:12:24 <lewyssmith> Goodby everyone. 20:12:25 <MrsB> 1 20:12:27 <MrsB> #endmeeting