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19:05:38 <wilcal> hello all
19:05:51 <wilcal> #chair lewyssmith
19:05:51 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lewyssmith wilcal
19:06:00 <tmb> tarazed, well, its summer so no socks needed :)
19:06:02 <lewyssmith> Shall I be Dave?
19:06:15 <wilcal> what does summer mean in Finland?
19:06:31 <MrsB> Hey guys, morning
19:06:39 <tmb> wilcal, no snow :)
19:06:52 <lewyssmith> #topic Who's new? If you are then come and say hi
19:07:04 <lewyssmith> Eveing claire.
19:07:13 <rindolf> MrsB: morning.
19:07:41 <wilcal> lol
19:07:53 <rindolf> morning, all.
19:07:55 <wilcal> kinda like Boston was like for me in June
19:08:18 <wilcal> #chair MrsB
19:08:18 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: MrsB lewyssmith wilcal
19:08:33 <wilcal> anyone new???
19:08:41 <MrsB> Me :)
19:08:53 <lewyssmith> No one new, so on we go. OK?
19:08:53 <MrsB> been a bit useless lately, sorry
19:09:05 <wilcal> #topic Mageia 6
19:09:15 <wilcal> all about the latest iso's
19:09:24 <lewyssmith> It is at last looking better.
19:09:42 <tarazed> Fairly.
19:09:58 <wilcal> it is for me in Vbox
19:10:10 <MrsB> You're happy with these ones now tmb?
19:10:17 <wilcal> i updated all my Vbox clients this morning and all went well
19:10:27 <wilcal> I don't know what's going on here:
19:10:29 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18828
19:10:30 <[mbot> Bug 18828: normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , M6 install w/Live-DVD Plasma x86_64 hangs on reboot
19:10:51 <tmb> MrsB, yeah, I think they are good enough for a -sta1....
19:10:55 <tarazed> I cannot get to install on Lives.
19:11:11 <wilcal> i don't know if it's me or something else. anyway the journalctl is there
19:11:33 <tarazed> bug 18829
19:11:34 <MrsB> what happens Len?
19:11:35 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18829 major, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , 6sta1 installation from Live Plasma5 iso freezes at stage 2
19:11:52 <wilcal> we really should move this to the next step so more people can participate
19:11:59 <tarazed> It hangs forever right after the initial dialogue.
19:12:37 <wilcal> looks a lot like mine too
19:12:37 <MrsB> Thats installing directly from the menu is it Len, or booting to the desktop first?
19:12:45 <papoteur> Hello.
19:12:51 <MrsB> hi papoteur
19:12:55 <lewyssmith> Bonsoir Yves.
19:13:11 <tarazed> Yes from the menu.  Shall try from Live system sometime later
19:13:16 <papoteur> I just tried Plasma5 in UEFI
19:13:25 <papoteur> Bonsoir Lewis
19:13:37 <papoteur> I didn't get the taskbar
19:13:51 <wilcal> I'm get'n good a get'n the journalctl outta there :-))
19:13:52 <tmb> tarazed, well, that bug is known... installing from menu is broken as I pointed out im my mail to qa-discuss
19:13:55 <MrsB> Yes pls, it's known that it won't install directly from the menu
19:14:08 <lewyssmith> tarazed: I thought tmb noted that the Lives do *not* install directly from the menu.
19:14:08 <tarazed> nvidia is still persona non grata on UEFI and CSM
19:14:11 <wilcal> from the menu won't work
19:14:21 <wilcal> only from the desktop
19:14:33 <tarazed> Ah, thanks for pointing that out Lewis.
19:14:53 <wilcal> we need some installs on real hardware
19:15:07 <tmb> we can stick that info on errata for sta1
19:15:25 <MrsB> yeah, we need to release them onto the world
19:15:25 <lewyssmith> papoteur: No taskbar is another known Plasma problem.
19:15:36 <lewyssmith> Hello TJ.
19:15:41 <brian__> sorry I'm late
19:15:47 <wilcal> hi brian
19:15:50 <tjandrews> Hello.
19:15:52 <MrsB> hi brian__ tj
19:16:02 <wilcal> the gangs all here cept for David
19:16:22 <MrsB> Need to drop him a line and check he's ok
19:16:22 <papoteur> Which kind of installation try is more valuable?
19:16:31 <tmb> papoteur, I hope the coming plasma updates will fix some of those issues, but neoclust is still working on that...
19:16:35 <wilcal> on real hardware
19:16:36 <tjandrews> Doing some hand weeding today. Seemed like a good time for a lemonade break.
19:17:08 <papoteur> wilcal: yes, but which DE, which arch?
19:17:29 <wilcal> I think Gnome is a little more mature at this point then PLasma
19:17:44 <wilcal> so if you want excitement go for the Plasma install
19:17:57 <papoteur> wilcal: :)  Ok
19:18:09 <MrsB> How are the classic isos now? Will there be more of those too?
19:18:10 <brian__> tried that on old hardware today Wilcal - no luck
19:18:10 <tmb> yeah, gnome seems to behave real nice this time around :)
19:18:16 <lewyssmith> The Classic is more stable, but offers loads of possibilities.
19:18:29 <wilcal> Plasma installs and boots to ok but there are lots of wrinkles in the way it works
19:18:37 <wilcal> some are features some are bugs
19:18:45 <brian__> well on old nvidia, ever got it to work
19:18:53 <brian__> ever = never
19:19:09 <wilcal> this one drives me crazy
19:19:10 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18207
19:19:12 <[mbot> Bug 18207: normal, Normal, mageia, REOPENED , Opening a .txt document shifts the desktop left and off the table
19:19:13 <tmb> brian__, why?
19:19:39 <wilcal> open a text file and the whole desktop shifts left and off the table never to return
19:19:48 <tmb> brian__, meaning... what problems ?
19:20:10 <brian__> on plasma-i586 it just seemed to shift back between maybe coming up and the mageia opening screen
19:20:20 <brian__> left it run for 45 minutes and finally went meh
19:20:35 <brian__> (live)
19:21:02 <brian__> then tried installing from classic i586 plasma - just end at grub2 command prompt
19:21:04 <tmb> brian__, did you try theese last isos ?
19:21:11 <brian__> 6/29 - yes
19:21:18 <brian__> synched - checked md5
19:21:19 <tarazed> brian__ Have you tried the nomodeset and no vga trick?
19:21:30 <brian__> nope - should I?
19:21:44 <brian__> classic is dated 6/20
19:21:54 <lewyssmith> Correct.
19:22:22 <tarazed> On nvidia hardware it gets you to the nouveau driver.  A desktop at least.
19:22:27 <brian__> tmb are you trying to compile the nvidia on the fly?
19:22:35 <wilcal> nomodeset the magic elixir
19:22:54 <brian__> lol - so don't be modest  nomodeset
19:22:54 <tmb> brian__, then repeat the classical install, file a bug about it and attatch the /root/drax/report.bug.gz
19:23:16 <brian__> ok - copying and pasting advice
19:23:40 <tmb> brian__, nope, only free gpu drivers on live medias now...
19:23:50 <brian__> ok
19:24:14 <brian__> anybody else experiencing an exceptionally long start from dvd on live?
19:24:27 <wilcal> most of my testing is in Vbox
19:24:42 <wilcal> that's really really fast for me on my i7 platform
19:24:46 <lewyssmith> brian__: tmb has spoken about that, too.
19:24:47 <MrsB> i have an nvidia340 system, will try it tmrw (with any luck)
19:24:53 <tmb> brian__, how long is "exceptionally long" ?
19:25:00 <brian__> 45 minutes
19:25:07 <wilcal> ooo that's tooo long
19:25:14 <brian__> yes replaced the DVD drive thinking the old was bad
19:25:32 <brian__> that's why I wondered about the compile
19:25:34 <papoteur> Plasma install is stalling after keyboard screen :(
19:25:45 <tmb> brian__, thats not a long start... that's a hang
19:25:56 <tmb> and a bug ...
19:26:01 <papoteur> I get a blank screen with a black square in the middle.
19:26:34 <tarazed> papoteur: that could be installing from the menu
19:26:46 <wilcal> I share that IMO with M6 working as a Vbox client that should allow us to move sta along
19:27:07 <papoteur> I started from grub. Is it the menu?
19:27:14 <wilcal> it needs to see hardware
19:27:17 <MrsB> boot to desktop first and install from there.
19:27:39 <MrsB> installing from the iso menu is broken atm
19:27:46 <brian__> :tmb - I thought you were trying to kill my dvd drive  .... ;-)
19:27:53 <papoteur> MrsB: OK.
19:27:56 <lewyssmith> That must be emphasised if we push this out now.
19:28:26 <tmb> brian__, nah, we did that in mdv days killing LG DVD drives... so been there .... done that :)
19:29:14 <brian__> :-)
19:29:55 <MrsB> So classic isos.. are they ready to go too?
19:30:11 <wilcal> I haven't seen the CI's for a week or so
19:30:26 <lewyssmith> MrsB: There are glitches, but they are basically good.
19:30:32 <brian__> still 6/20 version.  But running from an XFCE install on this chat.  :-)
19:30:37 <MrsB> well most of the fixes have been for lives so existing classics may be ok
19:30:40 <wilcal> i should do a boot.iso install too this weekend
19:31:05 <lewyssmith> My only complaint is that Gnome classic desktop does not work.
19:31:23 <tmb> yeah I think ennael is not planning any new isos unless there is a critical issue...
19:31:31 <MrsB> as in gnome-classic not gnome from the classic iso?
19:31:54 <lewyssmith> Classic ISO, Gnome-Classic desktop.
19:32:02 <MrsB> ok
19:32:20 <lewyssmith> Trivial in the circumstances.
19:32:29 <MrsB> is it still supported. Wasn't it being phased out?
19:32:42 <tmb> so ... go / no-go ?
19:32:56 <wilcal> i'm leaning towards go
19:32:58 <lewyssmith> Go in my opinion.
19:33:05 <tarazed> So am i
19:33:18 <wilcal> gotta see lots of new hardware
19:33:37 <MrsB> i'll defer as I've not had a chance to test them but lean towards Go from what I've heard
19:33:44 <lewyssmith> The 'install from desktop' is *essential* news for the Lives.
19:33:46 <brian__> they work
19:33:58 <brian__> classic iso's I've touched
19:34:05 <wilcal> they boot to a working desktop for sure
19:34:11 <brian__> plasma splatted for me though
19:34:17 <tmb> yeah, we have to remember this is -sta1 so bugs are still expected...
19:34:27 <wilcal> sometimes big ones
19:34:49 <MrsB> we've done it back to front again. broken in later stages. We need to try and get these breakages out of the way in dev/alpha stages
19:35:19 <lewyssmith> We need to do planned changes *before* starting testing.
19:35:23 <tjandrews> I haven't tested any of them lately. Chased too many hot air balloons last weekend.
19:35:38 <tmb> yeah, but otoh it has given plasma time to stabilize a bit :)
19:35:44 <brian__> :tj  - awesome
19:35:51 <MrsB> OpenQA would improve this mind you ..
19:35:56 <wilcal> better then it was and it was pretty bad
19:36:36 <tarazed> Is ther much of a learning curve with openqa
19:36:43 <lewyssmith> It was sddm & grub2 that held things up.
19:37:20 <MrsB> Likely so yes, but it would completely change the way we work
19:37:26 <lewyssmith> tarazed: Ask Vald - he had a long hard struggle to master it.
19:37:43 <tarazed> And he is clever
19:37:55 <lewyssmith> I was going to add that!
19:38:02 <papoteur> I can't launch the desktop. Without option, I get a crash (nouveau I presume)
19:38:07 <tmb> yeah, If all goes as planned maat should get the new harddisks next week unless french postal service screws up again
19:38:07 <tjandrews> Sounds like most of us could use some hand-holding docs.
19:38:35 <lewyssmith> Say what, please.
19:38:41 <papoteur> Suppressing the vga option, the system stall with second bubble.
19:38:59 <MrsB> #info New HDD's should get to maat next week for the server. One step closer to OpenQA!
19:39:10 <tarazed> Did you set nomodeset?
19:40:04 <papoteur> tarazed: not this time, but the previous one was the same result. The card is nvidia, needing nvidi304
19:40:10 <tarazed> There is a long period for reflection in the middle of the boot
19:40:35 <papoteur> tarazed: how long ?
19:40:42 <tarazed> Same on my older laptop
19:40:48 <MrsB> morning zvonimir
19:40:53 <lewyssmith> zvonimir: Welcome.
19:41:00 <tarazed> A couple or three minutes maybe.
19:41:34 <papoteur> tarazed: I will try again.
19:41:57 <zvonimir> hi MrsB
19:42:01 <zvonimir> hi lewyssmith :)
19:42:09 <MrsB> howdy, are you joining us?
19:42:27 <zvonimir> did I just drop into the meeting?
19:42:33 <MrsB> yes, good timing
19:42:53 <MrsB> Welcome to QA
19:42:55 <zvonimir> call me lucky :D
19:43:11 <MrsB> I'll call you whatever you like if you're joining us ;)
19:43:37 <wilcal> are we done with M6?
19:43:44 <zvonimir> MrsB: lewyssmith already sent me some links and I'm reading through them
19:43:56 <MrsB> Great, well done lewis
19:43:56 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Hope so...
19:44:09 <wilcal> lets move on sta1 is released
19:44:09 <zvonimir> MrsB: I've got just a couple of hours a week for this, but I'll get there :)
19:44:19 <MrsB> Did we decide to release it or further testing needed?
19:44:35 <wilcal> i think the concensis is to let it release
19:44:45 <lewyssmith> MrsB: I am mentoring zvonimir.
19:45:03 <MrsB> That's great lewis, thanks. I've tried to get him to join us for years :D
19:45:22 <MrsB> zvonimir: lewis is our top mentor, good teacher
19:45:56 <lewyssmith> Let' move on.
19:46:00 <Benmc> QA- Good morning
19:46:11 <lewyssmith> Hello Ben.
19:46:15 <zvonimir> MrsB: I kinda a moved to a new continent in the mean time, lot has happened :)
19:46:21 <MrsB> Morning Benmc. Go or No Go for release?
19:46:24 <wilcal> sta1 release or not? Hands up
19:46:31 <wilcal> i say release
19:46:39 <lewyssmith> Agree.
19:46:41 <tarazed> Aye
19:46:49 <Benmc> go- with notes to
19:46:49 <zvonimir> +1 if it's stable :)
19:46:54 <wilcal> let it get beat up
19:47:15 <wilcal> it boots to a working desktop from the live media
19:47:19 <tjandrews> Abstaining this time - no experience with it.
19:47:44 <MrsB> We know there will eb bugs, it's only sta1, but as long as it's installable and can boot it gives people something to test and us something to build upon
19:48:03 <wilcal> for sure installable as a Vbox client
19:48:05 <tmb> ok so we need to get a blog post prepared and web pages updated... I'll start preparing iso release
19:48:06 <lewyssmith> Sort of Alpha1...
19:48:16 <MrsB> mmm
19:48:41 <MrsB> Thanks everybody and apologies for being largely absent through all this
19:48:47 <wilcal> no prob
19:49:04 <wilcal> shall we move on?
19:49:04 <tarazed> Dinnae fash yersel lassie
19:49:11 <lewyssmith> Bugs please, Bill.
19:49:14 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates
19:49:46 <MrsB> Sooo
19:49:51 <lewyssmith> I could do several on the long list, but have almost no time at present.
19:49:56 <MrsB> http://madb.mageia.org/tools/updates
19:49:58 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
19:49:59 <tjandrews> Wondering about Virtualbox. Why does it "just work" for me when someone like Luigi has trouble?
19:50:33 <MrsB> could be just different hardware
19:50:46 <tarazed> Having a look at bug 18818
19:50:47 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18818 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , xerces-c new security issue CVE-2016-4464, xerces-c-3.1.2-1.2.mga5.src.rpm
19:50:50 <lewyssmith> I will try Gimp, Drupal, PHP updates.
19:51:01 <MrsB> nice one lewis
19:51:26 <MrsB> Len write up a procedure on the bug if you can do please
19:51:35 <lewyssmith> We can all try LibreOffice.
19:51:54 <wilcal> imo vbox is very host sensitive
19:52:08 <wilcal> especially if it is an nvidia host
19:52:24 <tarazed> Might also try libafs - long rebuild on reboots.
19:52:32 <tjandrews> I have to get back to work or my brother will fire me. Will read the logs...
19:52:41 <wilcal> later tj
19:52:43 <MrsB> thanks for coming tj
19:52:52 <MrsB> #info We#ll continue to validate with one OK
19:52:55 <MrsB> '
19:53:05 <MrsB> #undo
19:53:05 <Inigo_Montoya> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0xb686882c>
19:53:05 <tjandrews> Bye, all.
19:53:12 <MrsB> #info We'll continue to validate with one OK
19:53:25 <wilcal> i need an update on:
19:53:27 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18724
19:53:28 <[mbot> Bug 18724: normal, Normal, tmb, NEW , After today's update M5 x86_64 KDE Vbox client would not boot, virtualbox
19:53:38 <wilcal> imo that's a bad one
19:53:51 <wilcal> I'm surprised we haven't gotten into trouble with it
19:53:58 <lewyssmith> bug 18540 can be OK'd, Philippe kindly did it. None of us could.
19:53:59 <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18540 normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , [PATCH] gitpython fails on gpg signed commits, python-gitpython-0.3.1-9.mga5.src.rpm
19:54:04 <wilcal> the nomodeset thing gets around it but
19:54:28 <MrsB> yeah let's hussle them through
19:54:52 <MrsB> It seems like an upstream issue wilcal, not sure we can do much about it
19:55:10 <MrsB> lots of linux fixes in vbox changelog though
19:55:14 <wilcal> for sure M6 is fine but M5 is really bad
19:55:20 <lewyssmith> VBox is not on the current updates list - for once, & thank goodness.
19:55:29 <MrsB> yeah :)
19:55:50 <wilcal> there's new version in the pipe but being held up because of this bug
19:56:10 <wilcal> maybe tmb will recommend we go to the new version anyway
19:56:13 <MrsB> let's wait until there is something ready to test then wilcal
19:56:37 <MrsB> libgd can be tested with drupal lewis
19:56:45 <wilcal> ok i don't mind using the nomodeset thingy
19:57:06 <lewyssmith> I think we have a libgd procedure now.
19:57:27 <Luigi12_work> should check PoCs for libgd if there are any too
19:57:39 <Luigi12_work> (check the PHP bugs linked from the PHP changelog)
19:57:40 <MrsB> it's used in image processing by most webapps
19:57:41 <lewyssmith> Of course. Hello David.
19:57:55 <MrsB> morning Luigi12_work
19:58:03 <Luigi12_work> I will test libgd with my normal PHP tests too
19:58:10 <MrsB> Shall we do the roundup?
19:58:12 <Luigi12_work> morning.  It's friggin hot outside.
19:58:27 <Luigi12_work> the virtualbox issue is crazy.  I can't even always reproduce it on the same hardware.
19:58:34 <lewyssmith> Give us some of the heat.
19:58:34 <MrsB> cold and misserable here today, a bit like the mood
19:58:50 <wilcal> Welcome to the UK in June
19:59:12 <wilcal> how can we test:
19:59:14 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18433
19:59:15 <[mbot> Bug 18433: major, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Missing AskPass prevents SSH cloning, tortoisehg-3.2.1-1.mga5
19:59:45 <lewyssmith> We cannot. which is why it is weeks old.
19:59:59 <MrsB> already been confirmed that it fixes the issue so just ensure it updates cleanly
20:00:11 <wilcal> we should just make sure it installs without error then updates cleanly
20:00:24 <MrsB> pretty sure we've updated that in the past though
20:00:32 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Off you go!
20:01:23 <wilcal> next
20:01:34 <wilcal> #topic Luigi's Roundup
20:01:45 <wilcal> ping: luigi
20:01:47 <MrsB> With ISOs out of the way the list should be short in no time :)
20:02:02 <Luigi12_work> ctdb has a regression caused by a kernel CVE fix, so that needs patched (rindolf)
20:02:20 <Luigi12_work> struts, apache-commons-fileupload, tomcat new security issues (yay Java crap)
20:02:39 <Luigi12_work> libgd has another issue just reported with no fix yet, so let's get the current update out if it tests OK
20:03:06 <Luigi12_work> nodejs has another security update out upstream
20:03:53 <lewyssmith> Another...
20:04:07 <Luigi12_work> that's all I have that's new
20:04:13 <MrsB> phew :)
20:04:20 <wilcal> kool no flash thingy
20:04:32 <Luigi12_work> yeah we just did that one
20:04:38 <wilcal> #topic Anything Else?
20:04:52 <brian__> none from em
20:04:56 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
20:05:07 <wilcal> Any info on Mageia ARM/Raspberry Pi. I've got a hot RP3 ready to go here
20:05:15 <tarazed> Yes, I have a cautionary tale for those tempted to stary from the Middle way.
20:05:21 <tarazed> stray
20:05:42 <tarazed> Using the tc shell for 25 years without any obvious problems, through UNIX, RedHat,
20:05:45 <tarazed> Mandrake, Mandriva to Mageia.  Recently in QA tests found that kodi failed because
20:05:48 <tarazed> direct rendering was not enabled.  ???  glxinfo confirms that but kodi runs fine under
20:05:50 <lewyssmith> It has been QA v Bruckner: Bruckner won on points.
20:05:51 <tarazed> root.  Tried a dummy user; no problem, but that user had bash as the login shell.
20:05:54 <tarazed> Switched to bash and lo and behold kodi launched fine.  I am reluctant to change the
20:05:57 <tarazed> habit of a lifetime but this serves as a warning so maybe I shall have to.
20:05:58 <MrsB> None yet wilcal although all packages are being built for it. The aim is to have an image which can be dumped onto sd card
20:06:15 <tmb> well, both arm5tl and arm7hl is now being mirrored out... what is still missing is initial install image
20:06:32 <wilcal> latest RP3 is actaully quite usable
20:07:05 <MrsB> never even heard of tc shell tarazed
20:07:12 <wilcal> osmc/kodi on RP3 is glorious
20:07:27 <lewyssmith> tarazed: Len, Sorry for my inadvertant interruption earlier. Pressed Enter by mistake.
20:07:46 <wikigazer> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tcsh
20:08:16 * MrsB pulls Len into 21st century
20:08:25 <tarazed> It was the house flavour all those years ago at ROE
20:08:52 <brian__> fun - just learned about another .  thanks wikigazer
20:08:52 <tarazed> Hey, things have so changed.
20:09:11 <MrsB> i know, some changes are good though :P
20:09:24 <MrsB> others not so much :\
20:09:26 <wikigazer> brian__:   :-)
20:09:45 <MrsB> Is there anything else else?
20:10:14 <MrsB> One request..
20:10:19 * rindolf is glad he never got used to tcsh.
20:10:27 <MrsB> Everybody send Dave an email and see if he's ok :)
20:10:39 <lewyssmith> [I already had my aside].
20:10:43 <wilcal> will do
20:10:51 <tarazed> Sure thing
20:11:28 <MrsB> So well doen everyone on what has proved to be another long and difficult ISo release
20:11:49 <MrsB> It can only get easier from here
20:12:06 <MrsB> Thanks for coming!
20:12:09 <lewyssmith> Please don't tempt providence!
20:12:15 <MrsB> lol
20:12:17 <MrsB> T - 5
20:12:21 <MrsB> 4
20:12:22 <MrsB> 3
20:12:24 <MrsB> 2
20:12:24 <lewyssmith> Goodby everyone.
20:12:25 <MrsB> 1
20:12:27 <MrsB> #endmeeting