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19:02:42 <DavidWHodgins> #chair wilcal lewyssmith
19:02:42 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins lewyssmith wilcal
19:02:59 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Who's new?
19:03:16 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone here who hasn't been to a qa team irc meeting before?
19:03:42 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Mageia 6
19:04:01 <wilcal> wow what a subject
19:04:10 <brian__> what is the current planned release date for M6 prod?
19:04:19 <DavidWHodgins> When it's ready
19:04:23 <wilcal> well it ain't gonna be this month
19:04:26 <lewyssmith> The latest on the Grub MBR problem seems to me to need to need new ISO's to incorporate the reported OK fix.
19:04:42 <brian__> :-) love it.  I thought somebody originally said 20160609
19:04:42 <lewyssmith> So it could be this month.
19:05:01 <lewyssmith> For sta1
19:05:06 <brian__> I'll wait for the iso refresh before synching
19:05:07 <wilcal> for me the boot to no graphic "good luck" think is a real zinger
19:05:28 <wilcal> i think anne is offline till probably monday
19:05:46 <lewyssmith> We are all agreed that these things must be sorted before letting sta1 out.
19:05:47 <wilcal> so we won't see anything this weekend unless tmb says different
19:06:04 <wilcal> oh ya it's got lots of big warts
19:06:07 <lewyssmith> Hello Thomas.
19:06:19 <wilcal> mybe tmb can share the status of M6
19:06:23 <tmb> hi
19:06:33 <wilcal> hello tmb
19:06:53 <rindolf> I had a lot of issues with a mageia v5 i586 - > mageia v6 i586 in vbox upgrade today.
19:06:58 <tmb> just one minute....
19:07:03 <rindolf> tmb: hi.
19:07:26 <brian__> I think we are long way from upgrade testing.  Gotta get plasma happy methinks
19:07:45 <wilcal> i think criteria for releaese of this iso is it has to install, boot and reboot
19:07:57 <brian__> sta1 true
19:08:07 <wilcal> I don't think it does that yet
19:08:10 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed. We are not there yet.
19:08:13 <lewyssmith> wilcal: + To working desktops.
19:08:19 <wilcal> yes
19:08:27 <wilcal> Gnome i586 works best for me
19:08:35 <wilcal> it's usable
19:08:42 <lewyssmith> Makes a change from previous releases!
19:08:48 <wilcal> Plasma anything i can't get installed and working
19:09:03 <rindolf> wilcal: even in vbox?
19:09:09 <brian__> anybody tried xfce, mate or cinnamon?
19:09:11 <lewyssmith> It worked for me with the Classic + all desktops.
19:09:15 <wilcal> i can't even backdoor it by install gnome then plasma that don't work
19:09:40 <wilcal> Plasma does not work on hardware or Vbox
19:09:42 <brian__> weird part was, when I installed gnome, plasma was also there (a generation ago)
19:09:45 <tmb> ok, so tv mailed me and ennael about 2 hours ago drakx/stage2 is fixed for grub2 stuff so isos can be built.... and I see Charles confirmed the fix on QA ml
19:09:47 <lewyssmith> brian__: Yes, all OK with Clssic except a glitch with Gnome Classic.
19:10:03 <wilcal> tmb you do the live media right?
19:10:10 <tmb> wilcal, yes
19:10:18 <wilcal> anne's out till I think sun/mon
19:10:48 <tmb> yeah, for classical isos ennael is MIA until sunday
19:10:51 <wilcal> tmb what is the no grapics "good luck" thingy
19:11:09 <tmb> wilcal, what "good luck" ?
19:11:24 <lewyssmith> When X fails to start.
19:11:31 <DavidWHodgins> Standard error when gnome fails to start
19:11:47 <lewyssmith> I stand corrected!
19:11:51 <wilcal> It installs all the way just fine then on reboot it gives a terminal that says the graphics failed to start and says good luck
19:12:11 <wilcal> Plasma to David?
19:12:33 <tmb> ah, thats the fallback to text mode when dm start fails
19:12:52 <wilcal> ok i get that everywhere on Plasma
19:13:03 <wilcal> Gnome i586 for me seems pretty good
19:13:13 <wilcal> x86_64 too I think
19:13:14 <rindolf> tmb: are there new live ISOs with the fixes?
19:13:18 <DavidWHodgins> Plasma installed ok for me, and started, but has no panel/menu
19:13:32 <wilcal> Ya I saw that too David
19:13:46 <wilcal> no panel and nothing responds
19:13:55 <lewyssmith> Are we talking about Live here?
19:13:58 <wilcal> yes
19:14:03 <DavidWHodgins> Right click does, and allows a few things to be started
19:14:12 <wilcal> last live media no panel
19:14:16 <tmb> yeah, sddm/plasma is now in the place gdm/gnome was 1-2 releases ago... unstable as h....
19:14:21 <DavidWHodgins> I'd installed from x86_64 dvd iso
19:14:36 <lewyssmith> Just KDE?
19:14:44 <tmb> it fails to detect hw acceleration support and falls to pieces...
19:14:44 <wilcal> so maybe something to tinker with this weekend
19:14:45 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
19:15:45 <wilcal> Anyway I'm gonna be shut in this weekend. So bad weather here so i've got time
19:15:55 <tmb> if you dont like plasma without menus, file a bug and assign to neoclust and complain to him loudly or so... he's the one that switched to that useless mode
19:16:11 <DavidWHodgins> Once the new iso images are ready, I think sta1 is ready for release. Yes there are bugs, but they can be fixed later.
19:16:13 <lewyssmith> wilcal: How 'bad'?
19:16:26 <wilcal> 35C ++
19:16:40 <lewyssmith> Aah - too hot.
19:17:02 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: :-)
19:17:21 <brian__> oh the weather we've been having
19:17:29 <DavidWHodgins> Perhaps just not what I was expecting
19:17:42 <tmb> If he dont want to fix it I guess we can take it up in council and decide with our "distro hats" on ...
19:17:49 <wilcal> Do both isos, CI & live, have to be working David?
19:18:05 <lewyssmith> I think so.
19:18:05 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Any eta on when new live iso images will be ready
19:18:23 <DavidWHodgins> We can release live first, and classical when it's ready
19:18:32 <wilcal> I should try another boot.iso install
19:18:34 <DavidWHodgins> We've done that before
19:18:49 <brian__> logical - get hands onit
19:19:14 <tmb> I will try to get new isos out tomorrow...
19:19:15 <DavidWHodgins> Only the final release requires all iso images to be ready
19:19:35 <Pharaoh_Atem> hi tmb
19:19:37 <DavidWHodgins> #info new live iso images expected Friday
19:19:45 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Thanks
19:19:47 <wilcal> thks tmb
19:19:56 <Pharaoh_Atem> thanks for everything, tmb :)
19:20:02 <Pharaoh_Atem> especially with freeze pushes
19:20:19 <DavidWHodgins> Anything else on Mageia 6 before we move on?
19:20:24 <wilcal> not from me
19:20:28 <Pharaoh_Atem> just a quick note
19:20:49 <Pharaoh_Atem> so with the DNF stack, we're now in a place where I expect it to have nearly full out of the box functionality
19:21:04 <Pharaoh_Atem> this includes PackageKit with Gnome Software and eventually Plasma Discover, once neoclust gets it in
19:21:26 <Pharaoh_Atem> there are some fixes required for apper, but neoclust said he'd do the update, so I haven't done it myself
19:22:02 <Pharaoh_Atem> the only bit left in terms of the backend stuff (aside from mirrorbrain) required for packagekit is getting appstream data
19:22:23 <DavidWHodgins> Is there a quick start guide for DNF for us to learn how to use and test it?
19:22:32 <Pharaoh_Atem> yes, one sec
19:22:38 <lewyssmith> What is it?
19:22:44 <Pharaoh_Atem> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Using_DNF
19:23:10 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: urpmi replacement as I understand it
19:23:13 <Pharaoh_Atem> also, copr integration is coming along smoothly
19:23:22 <Pharaoh_Atem> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1344845
19:23:23 <[mbot> Nothing found with the default search.
19:23:54 <Pharaoh_Atem> the development/staging instance on Fedora has it (see for example: http://copr-fe-dev.cloud.fedoraproject.org/coprs/msuchy/mageia/)
19:23:55 <[mbot> [ msuchy/mageia Copr ]
19:24:11 <Pharaoh_Atem> but there are some remaining issues to be worked out before it becomes active on the production instance
19:24:35 <Pharaoh_Atem> but we're ready client-side for it
19:25:13 <Pharaoh_Atem> the appstream data need is tracked in https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18669
19:25:14 <[mbot> Bug 18669: major, Normal, sysadmin-bugs, NEW , Generate and provide AppStream repodata for GNOME Software and Plasma Discover
19:25:49 <wilcal> what does "DNF" stand for?
19:25:50 <DavidWHodgins> Would it be correct to say the copr integrations is to allow cloud clients to have a Mageia 6 install made available for them to use?
19:25:59 <Pharaoh_Atem> not quite
19:26:10 <Pharaoh_Atem> COPR is a community build service for packages provided by the Fedora Project
19:26:33 <brian__> so community developed software, but no officially supported?
19:26:34 <Pharaoh_Atem> so it allows third parties and potential packagers to "practice" and make software available for Mageia in an easy way
19:26:37 <Pharaoh_Atem> correct
19:26:40 <wilcal> fwiw there are two instances of M5 on AWS ( Amazon Web Services )
19:26:58 <Pharaoh_Atem> in the future, Copr will be extended to offer the ability to create Docker images too
19:27:07 <Pharaoh_Atem> but for now, it's just packages and rpm-md repos
19:27:52 <Pharaoh_Atem> wilcal: officially, DNF doesn't stand for anything, but it's referred to as "Dandified Yum"
19:28:05 <Pharaoh_Atem> it's a rewrite of Yum that has a saner API and CLI syntax powered by libsolv
19:28:47 <DavidWHodgins> Basically a replacement for urpmi
19:28:49 <Pharaoh_Atem> yes
19:29:04 <Pharaoh_Atem> for Mageia 6, it will be available in parallel with urpmi
19:29:25 <lewyssmith> Looks a good idea.
19:29:48 <Pharaoh_Atem> PackageKit no longer relies on urpmi, though, which means PackageKit related bugs are mostly fixed
19:29:49 <DavidWHodgins> More to learn. :-)
19:30:02 <Pharaoh_Atem> now we just have to re-enable things that prefer using PackageKit
19:30:26 <Pharaoh_Atem> system-config-printer is one example, which should fix a large class of bugs
19:30:53 <DavidWHodgins> As Mageia 6 is already in version freeze, I assume that is for cauldron/Mageia 6 updates.
19:31:04 <Pharaoh_Atem> perhaps
19:31:18 <Pharaoh_Atem> it's really removing patches we've made to disable PK functionality in s-c-p
19:31:18 <tmb> and get a whole new set of bugs :) (me hides)
19:31:28 <Pharaoh_Atem> but yeah, it can probably go in as errata
19:31:29 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:31:42 <Pharaoh_Atem> our s-c-p is crazy monkey patched
19:31:56 <Pharaoh_Atem> untangling it is going to require some assist
19:32:22 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed, but changes shouldn't be done now. Cauldron first, then Mageia 6 updates
19:32:26 <Pharaoh_Atem> tmb: if you can make a bit of time sometime soon, could you do something for https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18669 ?
19:32:27 <[mbot> Bug 18669: major, Normal, sysadmin-bugs, NEW , Generate and provide AppStream repodata for GNOME Software and Plasma Discover
19:32:28 <Pharaoh_Atem> DavidWHodgins: yes
19:32:45 <Pharaoh_Atem> I'm not touching s-c-p now
19:32:52 <Pharaoh_Atem> I'm liking how things are mostly working now :)
19:33:01 <DavidWHodgins> Good. :-)
19:33:13 <Pharaoh_Atem> the only real bugs I'm concerned with in regards to PackageKit are the lack of apps for discoverability since we don't have appstream metadata
19:33:20 <Pharaoh_Atem> easy enough to fix
19:33:52 <Pharaoh_Atem> tmb: if you'd like, I can make the backport for appstream-glib to infra_5, just let me know
19:34:27 <tmb> Pharaoh_Atem, go ahead
19:34:31 <Pharaoh_Atem> well, also the apper bugs
19:34:44 <Pharaoh_Atem> but neoclust said I shouldn't touch it because he's going to do it
19:34:48 <Pharaoh_Atem> so *shrugs*
19:34:55 <Pharaoh_Atem> DavidWHodgins: I've been using DNF exclusively for about three months now
19:35:08 <Pharaoh_Atem> and pkcon for the last three weeks in addition to DNF
19:35:14 <Pharaoh_Atem> it's been working spectacularly
19:35:32 <Pharaoh_Atem> we also now have mock working for people who want to easily do chroot package builds, too
19:35:36 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for the update about DNF, but let's get back to the qa team meeting
19:35:41 <Pharaoh_Atem> cool
19:35:57 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Updates testing
19:36:04 <wilcal> David in Charge :-))
19:36:11 <Pharaoh_Atem> indeed ;)
19:36:22 <wilcal> list is short some big ones out of the way
19:36:33 <lewyssmith> The list is small, but there are some bad ones therein.
19:36:43 <DavidWHodgins> I'll test the kernel-linus and tmb updates after the meeting. They have to be tested on real hardware
19:36:45 <wilcal> kernel Vbox
19:37:00 <DavidWHodgins> And in vb
19:37:09 <rindolf> DavidWHodgins: I already tested them.
19:37:21 <rindolf> but more testing is needed.
19:37:33 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. Thanks
19:38:04 <DavidWHodgins> The linus and tmb kernels don't need as much testing as the desktop and server kernels, but the more the better.
19:38:29 <lewyssmith> Is it just me? :No sound with 4.11, 4.13?
19:38:45 <DavidWHodgins> Haven't seen that here
19:39:12 <DavidWHodgins> I'm running 4.4.13-desktop-1 and have no sound problems
19:39:22 <lewyssmith> David complained a lot some time ago on this front.
19:39:36 <tmb> lewyssmith, check if it's muted, or do an "alsactl init" to force reset
19:40:13 <DavidWHodgins> lewyssmith: Is this a desktop system?
19:40:51 <brian__> flightgear I think that's ready for backport.  tested it only on x86-64 as I doubt i586 could handle the graphics
19:41:09 <lewyssmith> Yes, 4.13. Just tried tmb's hint, but VLC still reports "Audio output failed:
19:41:09 <lewyssmith> The audio device "default" could not be used:
19:41:09 <lewyssmith> Connection refused."
19:41:12 <Luigi12_work> good grief, you do realize the missing Panel wasn't intended don't you?
19:41:13 <wilcal> Ya i586 won't really cut it
19:41:26 <tmb> lewyssmith, if it does not help, file a new bug with journalctl -b from both working and non-working kernels and lspcidrake -v
19:41:27 <wilcal> it does not work in Vbox only on real hardware
19:41:38 <wilcal> And it's addictive
19:42:03 <wilcal> A time waste trap :-))
19:42:08 <DavidWHodgins> Luigi12_work: Wasn't sure. :-)
19:42:09 <brian__> :wilcal - requirements are  heavy for graphics
19:42:12 <lewyssmith> tmb: Will try. I suspect it is a configuration matter.
19:42:19 <wilcal> Great fun
19:42:50 <lewyssmith> Luigi12_work: Welcome David.
19:42:51 <brian__> lewysmith - I think I had to default to Intelxxx for sound driver in an earlier instance
19:42:59 <DavidWHodgins> For something like that, try the pre-update version first. Then the update version. If there's no regression, then it's ok.
19:43:28 <Benmc> QA, good morning
19:43:38 <wilcal> Hello Benmc
19:43:42 <Luigi12_work> tmb: I will revert the plasma-desktop change for now so you can make usable ISOs
19:43:46 <lewyssmith> Hello Ben.
19:44:09 <DavidWHodgins> The other updates are the same as last week. Just have to get around to them, so let's move on to the next topic
19:44:23 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Luigi's Roundup
19:44:38 <tmb> Luigi12_work, yeah, I wanted to give neoclust some time to fix it up, but seems he's otherwise busy
19:44:59 <tmb> thats why I wondered if it was by design...
19:45:04 <Luigi12_work> tmb: yeah, me too.  He said he'd look at it like two nights ago or something, but he does seem really busy.
19:45:29 <Luigi12_work> tmb: yeah we were just trying to fix it to make it use the normal menu by default, as we always have in Mageia, but the patch didn't quite work and the Panel exploded :o(
19:46:25 <DavidWHodgins> #info Plasma panel/menu fix will hopefully be included in next iso images
19:46:52 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, it will... :) I wont build isos before it :)
19:46:58 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
19:47:03 <Luigi12_work> new security issues since last week are wget and nodejs
19:47:33 <DavidWHodgins> #info Mageia 5 updates expected for wget and nodejs
19:47:37 <Luigi12_work> been a really slow week on that front, I guess everyone's on vacation now
19:47:51 <DavidWHodgins> Wow. That is a short list
19:47:57 <lewyssmith> No complaints. Even undersdtand wget.
19:48:14 <wilcal> good thing
19:48:21 <tmb> should we revert the libmad breakage ?
19:49:08 <lewyssmith> That is queering another seemingly unrelated bug.
19:49:37 <Luigi12_work> tmb: dunno, Shlomi made a big change to the patch.  I don't know if he only fixed the mp3 playback issue or also the ABI breakage.  rindolf: do you know?
19:49:50 <Luigi12_work> tmb: but yes, we should revert the ABI breakage in libmad if that hasn't been done yet
19:50:15 <Luigi12_work> tmb: I think normalize will need to be rebuilt (as well as vlc) since it has been built since we patched mad
19:51:19 <Luigi12_work> speaking of nodejs, Samsung just bought the company behind it, FYI
19:51:22 <rindolf> Luigi12_work: only the mp3 playback issue
19:51:28 <Luigi12_work> rindolf: ok
19:51:41 <Luigi12_work> tmb: so yeah we still need to revert it
19:52:03 <rindolf> Luigi12_work: maybe we can create a new struct which will only be used internally.
19:52:19 <Luigi12_work> rindolf: yeah if we can fix the ABI breakage somehow that'd be fantastic
19:52:32 <Luigi12_work> I don't understand ABIs, so I don't know what can be done there
19:53:44 <DavidWHodgins> Let's move on then
19:53:50 <DavidWHodgins> #topic Anything else?
19:54:00 <lewyssmith> Not here.
19:54:23 <DavidWHodgins> Countdown time then
19:54:24 <DavidWHodgins> 5
19:54:27 <tmb> technically revert the field changes, but have the same function call a new fixed function with added info "pathed in"
19:54:27 <Pharaoh_Atem> Samsung bought joyent?
19:54:32 <DavidWHodgins> 4
19:54:41 <lewyssmith> Goodbye everyone, thanks to Dave for Chairing.
19:54:41 <DavidWHodgins> 3
19:54:47 <rindolf> lewyssmith: bye
19:54:48 <DavidWHodgins> 2
19:54:50 <Luigi12_work> Pharaoh_Atem: yes
19:54:54 <DavidWHodgins> 1
19:55:00 <DavidWHodgins> Thanks for coming everyone
19:55:05 <DavidWHodgins> #endmeeting