19:07:20 <wilcal> #startmeeting
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19:07:30 <tjandrews> I've heard of them. "Why, in a normal year, _____________ happens."
19:07:43 <wilcal> #chair brian_
19:07:43 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: brian_ wilcal
19:07:47 <wilcal> :-))
19:08:04 <wilcal> #topic Who's new?
19:08:19 <wilcal> Anyone new here
19:08:45 <wilcal> lewys had something come up he may be back in 45 or so
19:10:07 <wilcal> I don't see anyone new in here
19:10:23 <wilcal> #topic Mageia 6
19:10:34 <wilcal> How we do'n with M6?
19:10:41 <brian_> I'm waiting on new iso's
19:11:05 <brian_> anything since last weekend?
19:11:09 <wilcal> In leau of that I try a weekly boot.iso install
19:11:25 <wilcal> hello MrsB :-))
19:11:29 <MrsB> Morning QA
19:11:41 <MrsB> Sorry to be tardy, it's been a crazy day
19:11:48 <tjandrews> I'm waiting to see if the latest b43 open firmware will give me wifi with the Live isos.
19:12:11 <wilcal> #chair MrsB
19:12:11 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: MrsB brian_ wilcal
19:12:16 <MrsB> There is news on this topic
19:12:34 <wilcal> we await with excitement
19:12:54 <rindolf> I tried a boot.iso install too. it didn't boot after the fact.
19:12:59 <MrsB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18583
19:13:00 <[mbot> Bug 18583: critical, Normal, tmb, REOPENED , Cannot boot after new install: no bootable medium found, grub, e2fsprogs
19:13:15 <MrsB> This is the bug which is preventing new ISOs at the moment
19:13:25 <wilcal> here's my bug rin
19:13:27 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18603
19:13:28 <[mbot> Bug 18603: normal, Normal, bugsquad, NEW , Booting fails after boot.iso install
19:13:37 <rindolf> I noticed it installed quite a lot of junk too.
19:13:45 <MrsB> It's due to grub legacy being incompatible with new installs.
19:13:56 <wilcal> I'm learn'n how to dig meaningful info out of a busted install
19:14:16 <MrsB> The resolution, discussed at the council meeting on Tuesday will be to default to grub2 on new installs
19:14:41 <wilcal> so until legacy grub is pulled out of it there ain't much we can do?
19:15:10 <wilcal> The live ISOs install
19:15:27 <tmb> we will simply disable grub legacy as an option in installer, atleast for ext4 fs
19:15:35 <MrsB> Mga5 installations with legacy grub will keep it on upgrade, but new installs should now use grub2
19:16:32 <tmb> and post mga6 release we will nuke grub legacy from mirrors and start testing upgrades from grub legacy to grub2
19:17:02 <brian_> any loss from a user perspective going from grub to g2?
19:17:22 <brian_> g2 does the bars along the bottom of the screen correct?
19:17:25 <MrsB> grub2 is actually better at most things, but much more complex
19:17:39 <wilcal> takes up lots more space
19:17:47 <MrsB> it should auto populate other installations
19:17:58 <tmb> that way we can add info in mga6 release notes that grub legacy is being deprecated and will be gone in mga7... that way we giv people time to plan / be prepared
19:18:21 <MrsB> it's not a bug, it's a feature :)
19:18:40 <wilcal> no boot is a feature :-))
19:18:54 <MrsB> noo omoving to grub2 is
19:19:37 <wilcal> so what kind of time frame to work this all in
19:20:01 <MrsB> we're one of the last to do it, but it will play much better with other distributions and enable some nice future features too
19:20:22 <MrsB> asap as it's currently holding things up
19:20:39 <tmb> for timeframe I will fix stage2 tonight unless tv beats me to it
19:20:40 <MrsB> you can see on the bug that Thierry commited some changes today
19:20:52 <wilcal> well I'm a learning how to get the log files from a busted install
19:21:05 <brian_> I'll keep an old drive bubbling for next iso updates
19:21:14 <tjandrews> I predict there will be two reactions: "It's about time!" and "Oh, NOOOO!"
19:21:36 <brian_> <fear and trembling> yes
19:22:23 <MrsB> i think you're right tj
19:22:41 <MrsB> it'll encourage people to give mageia a try though
19:23:01 <tjandrews> I'm usually right. I thought you knew that by now. ;)
19:23:15 <MrsB> i know. KNow how you like to hear it tho ;)
19:24:26 <wilcal> So probably no new isos for maybe a week?
19:24:47 <MrsB> if tmb is building stage2 then it shouldn't be long
19:24:54 <MrsB> i mean building it tonight
19:25:21 <brian_> perhaps a weekend test then
19:25:24 <tmb> new isos should hopefully be out tonight/tomorrow
19:25:43 <MrsB> #info New ISOs should hopefully be out tonight/tomorrow
19:25:51 <rindolf> tmb: thanks!
19:25:53 <tmb> I just need to verify that the uggested patches dont break stage2
19:26:04 <wilcal> live & ci or just live?
19:26:29 <tmb> all of them... ennael is just waiting for the stage2 fix
19:26:44 <MrsB> good news :)
19:26:47 <wilcal> i have some open time this weekend
19:27:16 <MrsB> Let's move on then
19:27:27 <MrsB> Who's Dave?
19:27:31 <wilcal> #topic Testing Updates
19:27:35 <wilcal> brian_
19:27:49 <wilcal> :-)
19:28:02 <MrsB> We have alot of updates can be validated and many need advisory doing :\
19:28:08 <wilcal> I wanna talk about the status of the kernels
19:28:26 <MrsB> yep, tmb kernel fglrx failure
19:28:44 <wilcal> so all those are kinda on hold?
19:28:59 <tmb> nope, tmb kernel can wait
19:28:59 <wilcal> can we push the nvidia bug
19:29:31 <brian_> I tried 304 - seems fine, just need confirmation.
19:29:54 <wilcal> how are we going to handle the nividia before kernel thingy?
19:30:42 <MrsB> tjandrews: is broadcom still an issue?
19:30:43 <brian_> I followed that order https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18526.  Then did the kernel
19:30:44 <[mbot> Bug 18526: normal, Normal, qa-bugs, NEW , Update Request: nvidia304 GPL fix, nvidia304
19:30:54 <brian_> no issues
19:31:31 <tmb> wilcal, it will handle itself... kernel has proper conflicts to force new dkms drivers before kernel installs... and urpmi/rpmdrake will ensure the updated x11-drivers-* gets installed too
19:31:36 <wilcal> for me as long as the nvidia is upgraded first then kenel + vbox are ok
19:32:21 <wilcal> ok
19:32:42 <tjandrews> Yes and no. The newest firmware package, installed in /lib/firmware/b43-open, takes a very long time to make a connection with the 4.4.x kernel, but it does make one.
19:32:57 <MrsB> it's quite a bundle of updates and a bit difficult to test effectively
19:33:14 <tmb> wilcal, the reason you got in trouble was you missed the matching x11-driver in your fist tests
19:33:22 <wilcal> yub
19:33:31 <wilcal> I;m ok now
19:33:36 <tjandrews> Once the connection is made, it's OK. If the firmware is in /lib/firmware/b43, there is no delay.
19:33:52 <tmb> and I splitted up the kerel update so all other updates can be tested separately from the kernel
19:34:38 <tjandrews> But the maintainer says there is a potential conflict with the proprietary firmware if it's put there.
19:34:39 <wilcal> in the end I can create a working kernel + nvidia + vbox install from scratch with the new rpm's
19:34:39 <tmb> tjandrews, yeah, I saw he broke my fix for b43-open :/
19:35:49 <MrsB> are we going to push it like this or is there a better fix?
19:36:02 <tmb> but on the other hand I think the way he fixed it actually violates licensing... there is no re-distibution rights on the file he added :/
19:36:12 <tjandrews> I have no problem with moving to the proprietary firmware to eliminate the delay on my own equipment. But that's just me.
19:37:44 <MrsB> wdyt tmb?
19:37:45 <tjandrews> tmb: Your fix didn't work. That one file is needed.
19:37:52 <wilcal> the poedit thing needs the package to create a simple test
19:38:40 <tmb> tjandrews, yes I know that, but we dont have re-distribution right on that file, atleast not as a core package as there is no source available
19:39:25 <tjandrews> I know. Therein lies the problem.
19:40:26 <MrsB> we ought to revert that then i guess
19:41:54 <tmb> tjandrews, in your case since you know about it, you can add it to your local install... for others, they are stuck with the proprietary driver until broadcom gives distribution rights
19:42:35 <tjandrews> Which brings up M6. In the old days, I'd install b43-fwcutter from the DVD. But, if I install from usb, I don't have access to those repositories.
19:43:51 <tjandrews> I've noticed on the M5 Classicals the x86_64 one is mountable, but the i586 one is not.
19:44:35 <tjandrews> Even then, I'm not sure how to get MCC to access them.
19:45:00 <MrsB> I'll add feedback marker to the kernel for now as we can't push b43 with a fie we're not allowed to include
19:46:00 <wilcal> How common is that b43-fwcutter
19:46:01 <tjandrews> Maybe I'm the only one still using it. ;)
19:46:31 <MrsB> morning downunder
19:46:50 <Benmc> brrr-good morning
19:46:52 <tjandrews> It can be downloaded from another source - not sure where now.
19:47:41 <MrsB> I need to find some time ot go through all the kernel updates and see exactly where we are with them and what if anything still needs testing
19:47:49 <wilcal> is it on a laptop tj?
19:49:14 <tjandrews> I could probably download a Mageia rpm of it on another computer using rpmfind, and install it in M6 outside of MCC.
19:49:27 <MrsB> MrB has football on tv so will do some advisories after the meeting
19:50:08 <MrsB> poedit has been confirmed working wilcal so just a basic test is ok to confirm
19:50:08 <tjandrews> No. I actually have two, both desktops. One could be connected via wire, the other not unless I run one to another floor.
19:51:24 <MrsB> afaik though it should just need a po file to work with
19:51:30 <lewyssmith> MrsB: Back. I can do advisories tomorrow if you like.
19:51:44 <tjandrews> I can work something out for me on my own. It's the others out there, if any, that concern me.
19:51:52 <MrsB> There should be plenty to do both lewyssmith, thanks
19:52:05 <lewyssmith> But we do not want to clash...
19:52:17 <MrsB> i'll do some tonight and you take over tmrw :)
19:52:24 <lewyssmith> OK.
19:53:05 <MrsB> we can validate many of the driver updates i think
19:53:14 <tjandrews> I don't like being a sticking point. I prefer to be cooperative.
19:53:32 <MrsB> anyody with broadcom-wl?
19:53:55 <tjandrews> I've never tried that one.
19:54:06 <lewyssmith> tjandrews: Stand firm.
19:54:11 <MrsB> may not be suited to your chipset
19:54:33 <tjandrews> BCM4318 here.
19:54:34 <MrsB> lewis isn't yours broadcom?
19:54:54 <lewyssmith> No wifi.
19:55:27 <MrsB> we can at least ensure it pulls the right packages and build ok, even without the right hardware
19:56:10 <brian_> I'll look, may have broadcom wifi device upstairs - but doubtful
19:56:55 <tjandrews> linux-wireless has always said to use the b43 driver, though they don't even mention the b43-openfwwf firmware.
19:58:05 <tmb> tjandrews, yeah, and wireless wiki gives pointers of how to extract firmware from official drivers with fwcutter
19:58:06 <MrsB> i guess it's nto well supported, sdaly
19:58:13 <wilcal> I'm back
19:58:22 <MrsB> not* sadly*
19:58:33 <lewyssmith> wilcal: Snap!
19:58:55 <tmb> yeah, broadcom have a _looong_ history of sucking at linux support
19:59:00 * Luigi12_work needs to do the roundup real quick and get back to class
19:59:03 <wilcal> laptop gets funky every once in awhile
19:59:14 <MrsB> Ok. I think we're abotu done anyway.
19:59:19 <wilcal> #topic Luigi's Roundup
19:59:24 <Luigi12_work> a load of new CVEs piling up for libxml2 and qemu
19:59:24 <Luigi12_work> still awaiting clarification on some libxslt issues fixed in the last Chrome update
19:59:24 <Luigi12_work> new bugs filed for tika, pdfbox, vlc, jetty, webkit2, imagemagick, and chromium-browser-stable
19:59:25 <wilcal> go for it
19:59:29 <Luigi12_work> that's all ^^^
19:59:37 <MrsB> thanks Luigi12_work
19:59:42 <lewyssmith> Luigi12_work: hope you can stay to the end, anyway.
19:59:43 <wilcal> super job
19:59:52 <Luigi12_work> I'll read up when I get back
20:00:01 <lewyssmith> OK.
20:00:17 <MrsB> #info new bugs filed for tika, pdfbox, vlc, jetty, webkit2, imagemagick, and chromium-browser-stable
20:00:20 <Luigi12_work> tmb: I guess the server kernel has to run for ~1 week before the superslowness thing happens, I just posted some updated collections from the server at work which is now doing the slowness
20:00:33 <MrsB> #info still awaiting clarification on some libxslt issues fixed in the last Chrome update
20:00:42 <Luigi12_work> BBL
20:00:48 <MrsB> thankd
20:00:49 <MrsB> s
20:00:53 <MrsB> typos :\
20:01:12 <MrsB> that only leaves...
20:01:20 <MrsB> #topic Anything else?
20:01:34 <MrsB> Is there anything else?
20:01:34 <lewyssmith> Yes
20:01:43 <MrsB> cool !
20:01:45 <wilcal> hello lewys
20:01:58 <lewyssmith> I have a little speech to make, which I will dish up in small lumps. It is slightly retrospective.
20:02:05 <wilcal> k
20:02:12 <lewyssmith> You may have noticed that recently (before she becoming unwell) Claire has been in superwoman mode, attacking updates wholesale, advisories likewise, managing QA with a firm hand.
20:02:23 <MrsB> :D
20:02:23 <lewyssmith> One of our stalwarts suggested "What do you think about proposing a toast to Claire on behalf of the team for her fantastic efforts these past two weeks?".
20:02:34 <lewyssmith> And "David. He deserves special thanks too."
20:02:48 <wilcal> is there an emotocon for a toast?
20:02:53 <lewyssmith> So I suggest we do just that. No tea & cakes here, nor even maple syrup. Why not champagne, which being in the true country, I offer. So raise your glasses...
20:03:03 <MrsB> wow
20:03:08 * MrsB flattered
20:03:14 <wilcal> I raise mine
20:03:20 <lewyssmith> Same here.
20:03:28 <MrsB> my glass is a big one :)
20:03:30 * tjandrews raises glass
20:03:30 <Benmc> same here
20:03:45 <tjandrews> Balloonist champagne OK?
20:03:52 <lewyssmith> No!
20:03:54 * tmb raises a whole bottle :)
20:04:20 <wilcal> French or California Champagne?
20:04:29 <MrsB> Thanks enervybody, we do this together though. We are a good team i think
20:04:36 <MrsB> -v
20:04:37 <lewyssmith> I said 'the real couintry'.
20:04:38 <wilcal> This is a good team
20:04:50 <wilcal> A great team
20:05:25 <MrsB> let's toast each other and pat ourselves on the back for being wicked and do some more testing :D
20:05:37 <tjandrews> The truly great are always modest to a fault...
20:05:42 <lewyssmith> Or taosting!
20:05:55 <MrsB> I'm all for more toasting
20:05:59 <brian_> *brian raises his glass
20:06:14 <MrsB> Thankyou lewis, I'm very flattered :)
20:06:32 <lewyssmith> Also the person who proposed the idea.
20:06:43 <MrsB> Is there anything else else?
20:06:49 <lewyssmith> Not here.
20:06:59 <wilcal> not from me
20:07:24 <MrsB> T - 5 then
20:07:32 <wilcal> thanks all
20:07:40 <lewyssmith> Goodbye, despite my absence.
20:07:46 <MrsB> Thanks for being here everybody. Sorry for tired fingers tonight and turning up late :\
20:07:57 <wilcal> no prob
20:07:57 <MrsB> 4
20:07:59 <MrsB> 3
20:08:01 <MrsB> 2
20:08:03 <MrsB> 1
20:08:06 <MrsB> #endmeeting